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Someone just pointed out that Amazon made some of their 4k titles available to rent now instead of purchase only. Anyone try one, see if the ones in the HDR list from the first post are HDR rentals?
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Those with Netflix - check out a short 3 minute video called "Sparks." Dolby Vision/HDR10, DCI 4K, 60 fps. Looks very good.
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Those with Netflix - check out a short 3 minute video called "Sparks." Dolby Vision/HDR10, DCI 4K, 60 fps. Looks very good.
Yes, I saw it and thought it was very good.
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It just not necessary to have the screen so bright you can't look at it.
If you're reproducing reality, then sometimes it is. But it's down to the editing and not annoying the viewer. Just as the failed experiments with 3D hurt people and gave them horrible headaches if they cut rapidly between shots and forced the eyes to focus in an unusual way - so it is the same with very bright things in the shot. In real life you don't look for too long, so a good HDR editor won't linger too long on the bright things.

And I'm going to repeat my point about extremely bright specular highlights. They don't hurt your eyes because it's just a few pixels, but they are very impressive and noticeable.

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Insinuating that people are jealous is ridiculous.
You say that, and I would agree if that was the case, but then you go on to say

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Having blacks that read .5 but the tv goes to 10,000nits would be infinitely worse than perfect blacks at 700nits.

"infinitely worse" is hyperbole therefore doesn't help the debate, IMHO.
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Hey everyone, I think Netflix HDR is acting a little bit wonky right now. I don't know if it applies to the HDR10 versions, or just the DV versions. Can anyone with HDR10 check episode 1 of Jessica Jones? Then episode 2 or any other? Ep 1 is only SDR for me, but all the rest are DV.
Yes, you're right. EP1 is SDR and EP2 is HDR. That's happened quite a bit on a few shows I've watched on Netflix where it's marked as one resolution and I've experience another. I think that is one of the reasons they removed the INFO screen that they used to have. They are very inconsistent and don't want their subscribers to know.
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Someone just pointed out that Amazon made some of their 4k titles available to rent now instead of purchase only. Anyone try one, see if the ones in the HDR list from the first post are HDR rentals?
This is also true of Google Play, some of the UHD movies that used to be only available for purchase are not available for rent (the studios must have made a change?). I think I may rent "Sausage Party" since I don't think I would purchase that one? I realize it's not HDR but at least I can see what it's about in UHD and I have a 75% off rental coupon.

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Santa Clarita Diet has premiered on Netflix and it is streaming in HDR.
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Why not, at least in certain examples? You don't have to have an OLED to have "good" blacks. Many displays can do merely "good" blacks. But there is something extra-special about the perfect blacks of OLED, which videophiles crave, now isn't there?

Well it is the same for HDR. Sure, a few consumer displays today can give a "good" HDR performance, but there is something extra-special about a "superb" or "spectacular" HDR performance, just like there is something extra-special about those OLED blacks. The best consumer display for HDR is the Z9D, hands down, and even with that there is quite a bit of room for improvement, so we are a long way from "perfect HDR".

Yesterday was a beautiful clear sunny day, and I went for a walk along the river, to see the eagles. The sun was shining and reflecting off the water, and it was so blindingly bright that I had to turn away and not stare at it too long. If the ultimate goal is to have displays reproduce scenery as close as possible to the real world, then why wouldn't you want your display to be retina-frying, since that is how the sun and reflections from the sun look like in real life?

I think folks who say "My TV is bright enough, I don't need or want any more brightness" either have not experienced or don't fully understand or appreciate the full benefits of HDR, or are jealous that their display cannot get bright enough to compete with the ones which can do 1500-2000 nits (for now), so they attempt to convince themselves that the increased luminance capabilities are superfluous and unnecessary.
I get the point you're making, but I don't think it's totally informed.

vizio is 600 nits. Which is plenty to have a great HDR experience (even though not perfect). Light isn't visually noticeable linearly - Meaning, most of the benefit from HDR is going to be seen in the lower end, from 100 to 500 nits.

Nevertheless, I saw Sneaky Pete on Amazon last night and it looked unbelievable in HDR on my Vizio P (about as good as the tremendous Mad Dogs) so I think it's a case of alot of these UHD films being purposely subdued for whatever reason. That being said, I've also had the LG E6 OLED and I realize the Vizio isn't the best at HDR either.

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Where can we go to see the master specification on these HDR movies? Specifically, where can we go to see the nits each movie has?

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Those with Netflix - check out a short 3 minute video called "Sparks." Dolby Vision/HDR10, DCI 4K, 60 fps. Looks very good.
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Yes, I saw it and thought it was very good.
I just watched it as well. It's a really good video for sure. I"m not a big fan of HFR, but this looks like real life without SOE.
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It just not necessary to have the screen so bright you can't look at it. Think about it this way, when outside you have a 360 degree view. If you put a sun reflection on screen as bright as real life you couldn't even look at the screen because it's not large enough for there to be any place to look at that isn't going to be blinding. Further, when you watch a movie in a darkened environment there is no need for it. Insinuating that people are jealous is ridiculous. The brightness is only necessary because most consumers are using LCD tvs in bright living rooms. The black levels of most LCD sets is not that great so a brighter image is going to help the contrast ratio for hdr and the bright room almost requires it. Take an OLED in a room with controlled lighting with its perfect blacks and the contrast ratio between the brightest highlights and the darkest shadow area will easily give the same effect as a LCD with 1000nits.

Black levels help all content and is much more important than brightness. Having blacks that read .5 but the tv goes to 10,000nits would be infinitely worse than perfect blacks at 700nits.
This is so correct.

HDR is about High Dynamic Range.

The problem with the LCDs is that they don't increase the range, they just shift it - they're still limited and constrained by ~5,000:1 native contrast ratios.

OLED with ~700 nit peak is so much better because there's just so much more available contrast to make use of.
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I remember their promises for DTS:X firmware updates that took about half a year longer to release than they said.


That was DTS not having their **** together as far as the DSP program necessary for each manufacturer.


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Yes, you're right. EP1 is SDR and EP2 is HDR. That's happened quite a bit on a few shows I've watched on Netflix where it's marked as one resolution and I've experience another. I think that is one of the reasons they removed the INFO screen that they used to have. They are very inconsistent and don't want their subscribers to know.
But this is an odd situation because episode 1 of Jessica Jones used to be in HDR. I watched it in DV last week. And now it's back to SDR. I assume they are just having problems. But I checked this morning and it was still SDR.
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I get the point you're making, but I don't think it's totally informed.

vizio is 600 nits. Which is plenty to have a great HDR experience (even though not perfect).
That's an opinion (which I don't share fully but I can see your POV).

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Light isn't visually noticeable linearly
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- Meaning, most of the benefit from HDR is going to be seen in the lower end, from 100 to 500 nits.
But that's a non sequitur (and also wrong).
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Rumor has Gravity coming to 4k blu ray in September, listed on some release calender site, but nothing official yet. Will keep an eye out for preorders but likely won't happen til summer.
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New Netflix show Santa Clarita is HDR, with Drew Barrymore and Timothy Olyphant.
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But that's a non sequitur (and also wrong).
I don't think I've heard "non sequitur" since I heard it on one of the episodes of the original "Star Trek".
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Where can we go to see the master specification on these HDR movies? Specifically, where can we go to see the nits each movie has?
This post from @Carbon Ft Print has some metadata from some discs. It shows the specs of the mastering display, then has a max and average light levels of the films (if available in the metadata). It's a few months old. Not sure if he or anyone else has an update.

Then here is a white paper examining The Lego Movie with some graphs and stats.
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well just hooked the b6 up. The difference between netflix dolby vision on the vizio p and netflix on the b6 oled is night and day... santa clarita diet looks incredible on the oled!
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Rumor has Gravity coming to 4k blu ray in September, listed on some release calender site, but nothing official yet. Will keep an eye out for preorders but likely won't happen til summer.
ON one hand I absolutely love the 3D in that movie but on the other hand, it could have some great potential for UHD. It may be a tough decision for me whether to get than one in UHD or stick with my 3D Blu-ray.
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If you're reproducing reality, then sometimes it is. But it's down to the editing and not annoying the viewer. Just as the failed experiments with 3D hurt people and gave them horrible headaches if they cut rapidly between shots and forced the eyes to focus in an unusual way - so it is the same with very bright things in the shot. In real life you don't look for too long, so a good HDR editor won't linger too long on the bright things.



And I'm going to repeat my point about extremely bright specular highlights. They don't hurt your eyes because it's just a few pixels, but they are very impressive and noticeable.







You say that, and I would agree if that was the case, but then you go on to say









"infinitely worse" is hyperbole therefore doesn't help the debate, IMHO.


No because OLED has an infinite contrast ratio because of black levels. It was a play on words and my point still stands. Poor blacks suck no matter how bright the screen is and there is very real diminishing returns on brightness. My tv is so bright with some content that it literally hurts to look at if a scene is left on screen too long but I am always annoyed at the black levels not being as deep as they could be. This is because at the time of purchase I was not willing to spend $1k more for FALD or an OLED with the problems that 2015 OLED sets were known for. So I got what I paid for in that regard.
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That was DTS not having their **** together as far as the DSP program necessary for each manufacturer.


D&M just need to provide an HDMI firmware update for passthrough.


I'm still not going to trust them on the time frame because they will have to get licensing from Dolby I'd think too no? I guess I have learned over time to not anticipate firmware updates too eagerly and just take it as it comes. Samsung made lots of promises about when Netflix hdr would work for my tv and it took a lot longer than they promised.
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Has anyone gotten the Netflix price increase yet? I was one of the ones on the 7.99 plan and it seems after I contacted them I can stay on my same plan instead. I saw ray post something about everyone having to move to the new one. Just wondering if everyone else is on the same 2 screen uhd plan like i am.

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I concur with the Sparks Netflix clip. It's stunning. It's mis-labeled though. It shows as Dolby Vision on the home screen but it actually plays in HDR10. Still it looks excellent on all my HDR sets. It makes you wonder why they can't get the rest of their HDR shows to look like this.... on the other hand, I'm not blown away by Santa Clarita Diet. It plays in Dolby Vision but the indoor scenes in their house are just to grainy for me. Not as bad as the Marvel shows but I don't like it at all. Just my opinion.
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What are the details of the price increase? I don't currently have UHD on netflix.

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What are the details of the price increase? I don't currently have UHD on netflix.
Ray posted a Article that stated those on the 7.99 plan would have to pay 11.99 to view UHD content. Even those that were grandfathered in back when The first UHD content appeared. http://mashable.com/2015/10/08/netfl...WP36OqKhttp://

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They screwed me along with thousands of other people this last Summer. I was so pissed that I dropped Disc rentals after being with them since 1999. And I won't give them more than $100 a year for streaming. So only eight months of Netflix a year. So instead of the $300+ a year they used to get from me, now it will be less than one third of that.

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I had the same plans as you dvds and all. Yesterday UHD stopped working and I contacted them. They let me keep my 7.99 plan with little issue. Maybe you can contact them again, because all it took was them to see I had been on the 2 screen + uhd plan that's no longer offered.

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Ray posted a Article that stated those on the 7.99 plan would have to pay 11.99 to view UHD content. Even those that were grandfathered in back when The first UHD content appeared. http://mashable.com/2015/10/08/netfl...WP36OqKhttp://
That's in line with the UK prices then. I could only get UHD on the "premium" 4-screen package, even though I only have and need 1 screen, for $11.22/month at today's exchange rate.

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Ray posted a Article that stated those on the 7.99 plan would have to pay 11.99 to view UHD content. Even those that were grandfathered in back when The first UHD content appeared. http://mashable.com/2015/10/08/netfl...WP36OqKhttp://
Oh, well we're on the 2 screen, non-UHD plan so I guess that will stay the same?

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