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I'm surprised no one mentioned "Cosmos Laundromat" on Netflix in DV. It's a 10 hour loop. Not sure why. I've only watched about 10mins of it so far, but man this has to be one of the most colorful DV videos on Netflix.

FYI - I had to search "HDR" to find it.


When it originally released we all talked about it, many hundreds of pages back probably by now lol. Ray mentioned in the past day or two that it was available to watch again in a 10hour loop. This thread moves quickly sometimes and it's easy to miss things.
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Damn Billy lynn UHD BD is incredible, best image I've ever seen. Even better than all those exaggerated HDR demos.

The picture is so perfect even on 140'' , I felt like I was in the movie.

I just cant imagine how great it must be on an OLED TV
It's fantastic on my LG 65c6p, will have to see how 3D version is. By far the best I've seen out of all the UHD titles I own.
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[QUOTE=ray0414;50387897]gotta give my vote for INFERNO for looking great as a 2k upscale. Yes, its a Sony movie, but i think the credit for some of these best of the best 2k upscales needs to go to the camera used: Arri Alexa XT, which is used in the very best 2k upscales. Its just a great camera with a ton of dynamic range and a very sharp picture.

Some of the very popular 2k upscales that I see alot of people mention for "looking near true 4k", all use the Arri Alexa XT camera:

Inferno
The Shallows
Ghostbusters 2016
Huntsman: Winters War
Central Intelligence
Kingsman

Honorable Mention 2k AAXT:

Concussion
Creed


For future reference, keep an eye on movies that use the XT as their main camera, for both 2k and 4k mastered movies.

Couldn't agree more with the the quality of upscales...Just saw Central intelligence (cheap on amazon now)and it was a terrific transfer! Im not even sure if i have anything to nit pick. Pretty good comedy, it has no business looking so goodLooks like Ill need huntsman Winters War Now...
Also very impressed with Patriot on Amazon, and is it me or does the trailer for Iron Fist look way better then the other Marvel shows? Lets hope

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I'm surprised no one mentioned "Cosmos Laundromat" on Netflix in DV. It's a 10 hour loop. Not sure why. I've only watched about 10mins of it so far, but man this has to be one of the most colorful DV videos on Netflix.

FYI - I had to search "HDR" to find it.

I mentioned it a couple nights ago. I believe this was part 1 and a part 2 is coming eventually. Definitely not kid friendly either lol but looks pretty good. Also, I think it's only 1080p.
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PS: Dolby Vision has gone "Soft"ware lol (pun intended).

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Dolby has revealed that Dolby Vision is now available in a full software solution.

This means, in essence, that Dolby Vision could be added to almost any bit of AV kit - games consoles, set top boxes, TVs, Ultra HD Blu-ray players etc - that has enough processing power to handle the software implementation to Dolby’s satisfaction. As Dolby puts it:

“There are implementations that can run Dolby Vision in software, certainly in the console space but also in the TV SoC space. Specifics vary on a case-by-case basis depending on the hardware capability of the silicon in question, but we have development kits for various types of implementations, depending on the application: full hardware, hybrid of software and hardware or [and this is the crucial bit] full software.”
[How The PS4, Xbox One And Even The Apple TV Could Soon Get Dolby Vision HDR]

Of course we already knew this was coming (especially since Sony's announcement about supporting DV on some of their existing TVs). Nevertheless, its good to see some movement on this front and to know that the "software solution" is now finally available.

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Dolby Vision HDR may be coming to a game console near you

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Dolby's HDR standard is now available in a software version, which means it can show up on existing TVs and game consoles... Dolby has announced that its HDR standard Dolby Vision is now fully software-based, meaning that existing devices such as consoles and televisions can take advantage of it... Many proprietary standards require specific hardware. And while there will be hardware implementations of Dolby Vision as well, offering a software version means customers won't necessarily need to buy a new TV to watch encoded content...

That means Dolby Vision could conceivably be added to a Sony PS4 or Microsoft Xbox One game console, or a streaming device like Nvidia Shield. All the device needs, according to Dolby reps cited by Forbes, is sufficient processing power... Sony said its Z9D television from 2016, as well as select 2017 models, will add Dolby Vision via a software update later this year.

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Thanks @b0rnarian

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[How The PS4, Xbox One And Even The Apple TV Could Soon Get Dolby Vision HDR]

Of course we already knew this was coming (especially since Sony's announcement about supporting DV on some of their existing TVs). Nevertheless, its good to see some movement on this front and to know that the "software solution" is now finally available.

See also the following article from Cnet:

Dolby Vision HDR may be coming to a game console near you




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So does this mean in theory that we all can benefit from the dynamic metadata of DV on our non DV tv's, or is this for DV tv owners having a PS4 pro as a new device that plays DV on their sets because they have the chip set?

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So does this mean in theory that we all can benefit from the dynamic metadata of DV on our non DV tv's, or is this for DV tv owners having a PS4 pro as a new device that plays DV on their sets because they have the chip set?
Samsung and Panasonic, like Sony just need a chip with enough processing headroom to decode DV. This is true for the Xbox1/Scorpio, and PS4/PS4 Pro as well.

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So does this mean in theory that we all can benefit from the dynamic metadata of DV on our non DV tv's, or is this for DV tv owners having a PS4 pro as a new device that plays DV on their sets because they have the chip set?

No, not exactly.

It will be dependent on 2 things:

1- The capabilities of the TV's SoC. It will need to have enough processing power to handle the software implementation. According to Dolby, it will depend "on the hardware capability of the silicon in question".

2- The TV manufacturer's decision to implement it on their TVs. (e.g. Sony has chosen to implement it on their flagship models. Samsung has chosen not to.) The same goes for other hardware components (e.g. Blu-ray players, AVRs, etc.)


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No, not exactly.

It will be dependent on 2 things:

1- The capabilities of the TV's SoC. It will need to have enough processing power to handle the software implementation. According to Dolby, it will depend "on the hardware capability of the silicon in question".

2- The TV manufacturer's decision to implement it on their TVs. (e.g. Sony has chosen to implement it on their flagship models. Samsung has chosen not to.) The same goes for other hardware components (e.g. Blu-ray players, AVRs, etc.)


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Ah that makes sense...So I won't hold my breath. Still cool news

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When it originally released we all talked about it, many hundreds of pages back probably by now lol. Ray mentioned in the past day or two that it was available to watch again in a 10hour loop. This thread moves quickly sometimes and it's easy to miss things.
Also, Netflix refuses to allow non-customers (like me) to search and browse their content to see what they have, unlike most other providers. If they didn't hide their catalogue, I'd be able to browse it and might choose to subscribe. I'd certainly do regular searches for "HDR", and I might have found it!

As it is, it's their loss and I'm always going to be suspicious of their lack of transparency.

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Any TV that can do HDR surely has enough processing power to do DV. There's nothing that complicated about how you process DV metadata. This is mostly going to boil down to licensing as well as whether the manufacturer feels like it's worth it to implement on older sets.
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Any TV that can do HDR surely has enough processing power to do DV. There's nothing that complicated about how you process DV metadata. This is mostly going to boil down to licensing as well as whether the manufacturer feels like it's worth it to implement on older sets.
There has been some discussion of Dolby's software solution for DV implementation in the Sony 75XBR X940D thread. The word there is that the DV software solution can only be done if the TV's chip has the horsepower to implement it. The 940D's chip doesn't cut it but the slightly newer Z9D does. The word is that the upgrade for the 940D, the 940E, will be able to handle DV too.
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Curious if anyone's copy of Keeping up with the Joneses came with a slipcover?

My wife wanted to rent it on Apple TV, but I said, "hold on, I believe there's a 4K disk of that one; might as well check it out"

Anyway, picked up the last copy from my local Walmart, however, no slipcover, which is rare for a title with the UltraHD Premium badge.

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I happen to have a Chromecast Ultra. Are these titles all supposed to be HDR, or just 4k?

The reason I ask is because the catalog is pretty extensive with titles such as Gladiator, Braveheart, The Godfather movies, and others!
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The article says Warner confirmed it.


"Update: In the meantime, Warner has confirmed that the "Harry Potter" Ultra HD Blu-rays will support DolbyVision HDR in addition to HDR10."
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The movies were mastered in DTS already except for the first few which were uncompressed PCM(at least my copies are that way). So maybe there is some type of agreement to keep it in a dts audio format.
Most of the UHD 4K Atmos discs I have are encoded in DTS HD MA on the accompanying Blu-ray.

I think the choice to utilize DTS:X may be one of convenience/cost savings. Atmos is an object based format (able to be played back on systems up to 34 speakers) while all DTS:X releases have been channel based so far.

I think you may be right that DTS is incentivising the studio to use DTS:X by offering a lower cost of entry for DTS:X vs a full blown Atmos track.
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I happen to have a Chromecast Ultra. Are these titles all supposed to be HDR, or just 4k?

The reason I ask is because the catalog is pretty extensive with titles such as Gladiator, Braveheart, The Godfather movies, and others!
I don't have a Chromecast Ultra to confirm, but I believe others have said they are 4k SDR right now. Google Play is supposed to add HDR10 and DV support eventually, but they haven't announced when. And that list may be different.
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Most of the UHD 4K Atmos discs I have are encoded in DTS HD MA on the accompanying Blu-ray.

I think the choice to utilize DTS:X may be one of convenience/cost savings. Atmos is an object based format (able to be played back on systems up to 34 speakers) while all DTS:X releases have been channel based so far.

I think you may be right that DTS is incentivising the studio to use DTS:X by offering a lower cost of entry for DTS:X vs a full blown Atmos track.
I believe TrueHD Atmos audio is the gold standard these days but I like DTS:X too. Based on my limited experience with it, my Jason Bourne UHD HDR disk is my only DTS:X title, I think it sounds terrific, in a class with many Atmos soundtracks I have heard.

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I'm hearing good things about Patriot on Amazon plotwise. Is it in HDR?
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I'm hearing good things about Patriot on Amazon plotwise. Is it in HDR?
The Patriot is in UHD HDR and looks beautiful but I gave up on it anyway. The Pilot took very serious themes but put an antically comic twist on them. After a while, I couldn't decide what the show wanted to be when it grew up so I moved on. The critics have been mixed, though, so you may like it. In addition to how good it looks, I also give high marks to its talented ensemble cast.

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I believe TrueHD Atmos audio is the gold standard these days but I like DTS:X too. Based on my limited experience with it, my Jason Bourne UHD HDR disk is my only DTS:X title, I think it sounds terrific, in a class with many Atmos soundtracks I have heard.
Neural X is really good because it can be added to regular DTS
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Neural X is really good because it can be added to regular DTS
There are a lot of good digital sound processing programs that can matrix 5.1 output to 7.1.4. Neural X is one of them but there are only two native 7.1.4 lossless codecs, TrueHD Atmos and DTS:X.

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There are a lot of good digital sound processing programs that can matrix 5.1 output to 7.1.4. Neural X is one of them but there are only two native 7.1.4 lossless codecs, TrueHD Atmos and DTS:X.
Indeed. It's just nice being able to add neural x to nearly everything that isn't atmos or DTS:x
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Indeed. It's just nice being able to add neural x to nearly everything that isn't atmos or DTS:x
I agree. My Yamaha RX-A3060 gives me a choice of three DSPs to matrix any input to 7.1.4. In addition to Neural X, they are Dolby Surround Decoder, and my personal favorite Yamaha's proprietary Enhanced. All three work well.

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I agree. My Yamaha RX-A3060 gives me a choice of three DSPs to matrix any input to 7.1.4. In addition to Neural X, they are Dolby Surround Decoder, and my personal favorite Yamaha's proprietary Enhanced. All three work well.
I've heard Yamaha's is really good, the best even. My AVR auto sets neural x or Dolby surround based on the movie. I guess DTS gets neural and DD gets Dolby surround
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I happen to have a Chromecast Ultra. Are these titles all supposed to be HDR, or just 4k?

The reason I ask is because the catalog is pretty extensive with titles such as Gladiator, Braveheart, The Godfather movies, and others!
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Seeing reviews and feedback that "Allied" with Brad Pitt is reference quality. Shot at 6k and DId at 4k. Pristine sharp vibrant picture.
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There has been some discussion of Dolby's software solution for DV implementation in the Sony 75XBR X940D thread. The word there is that the DV software solution can only be done if the TV's chip has the horsepower to implement it. The 940D's chip doesn't cut it but the slightly newer Z9D does. The word is that the upgrade for the 940D, the 940E, will be able to handle DV too.
All you have to do is to be able to read the dynamic metadata, translate the pixel values into nit values, and work out the local dimming solution to best display those nits (and skip that step for OLED). It's exactly the same thing as is being done in HDR10. The only difference is that you do it every scene, or possibly every frame, but regardless, it's incredibly lightweight work. I honestly can't imagine any HDR10 capable set not being capable of doing this.

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All you have to do is to be able to read the dynamic metadata, translate the pixel values into nit values, and work out the local dimming solution to best display those nits (and skip that step for OLED). It's exactly the same thing as is being done in HDR10. The only difference is that you do it every scene, or possibly every frame, but regardless, it's incredibly lightweight work. I honestly can't imagine any HDR10 capable set not being capable of doing this.
I would assume most HDR10 displays, have just one SOC that handles HDR10, local dimming, upscaling, color tracking, compression(h.265/ vp9), and tone mapping. Honestly, I think Dolby requires the display be a FALD display.

The memory requirements may be heavy as well, having enough available bandwidth to store pixel data.



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Seeing reviews and feedback that "Allied" with Brad Pitt is reference quality. Shot at 6k and DId at 4k. Pristine sharp vibrant picture.
I've seen this movie and it looks stunning in places, just a shame Brad Pitt is in it, he is so wooden.
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Also, Netflix refuses to allow non-customers (like me) to search and browse their content to see what they have, unlike most other providers. If they didn't hide their catalogue, I'd be able to browse it and might choose to subscribe. I'd certainly do regular searches for "HDR", and I might have found it!

As it is, it's their loss and I'm always going to be suspicious of their lack of transparency.
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