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If it isn't playing ultra HD I am pretty sure you aren't getting the HDR information which is what is causing my "issue". I put issue in quotes because it might be unique to me and my preference or my room/tv settings. I don't want to come off as someone saying that everyone is wrong and I am right. I'm just posting my thoughts and observations in hopes someone can understand what I am taking about and give tips and ideas of their own.

I'm using a 55JS9000 by the way. I can only assume the js9500 with full array backlighting would handle it a lot better.
Turns out I wasn't playing the UHD feed. Amazon has rearranged their listings putting two rows of UHD clear down at the bottom of their list. Am re-playing episode 4 now. Looks super in dynamic mode, Color 50, smart LED low and Cinema black off. Looks hdr to me and compares similarly with my mgo titles.

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If it isn't playing ultra HD I am pretty sure you aren't getting the HDR information which is what is causing my "issue". I put issue in quotes because it might be unique to me and my preference or my room/tv settings. I don't want to come off as someone saying that everyone is wrong and I am right. I'm just posting my thoughts and observations in hopes someone can understand what I am taking about and give tips and ideas of their own.

I'm using a 55JS9000 by the way. I can only assume the js9500 with full array backlighting would handle it a lot better.


On my js9500 it looks fine with dynamic contrast medium after episode 1. Also, the sony hdr movies are better than the tv shows. and your right, id your not watching it in hdr, your not gonna have a clue what we're talking about. I've watched both versions, the regular HD version is very flat looking with soft color. But that's how all sdr looks after watching hdr with 10 bit color.
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On my js9500 it looks fine with dynamic contrast medium after episode 1. Also, the sony hdr movies are better than the tv shows. and your right, id your not watching it in hdr, your not gonna have a clue what we're talking about. I've watched both versions, the regular HD version is very flat looking with soft color. But that's how all sdr looks after watching hdr with 10 bit color.

Yeah and I imagine the full array lighting allows for more subtle variation across the screen that my set doesn't allow. I can get used to it if I just leave it and keep watching. I do have a habit of swapping settings back and forth and making observations about the image that probably aren't really a big deal to most viewers. The next episode I watch I'll leave it on medium and just watch all the way through and see how I feel about it.



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Turns out I wasn't playing the UHD feed. Amazon has rearranged their listings putting two rows of UHD clear down at the bottom of their list. Am re-playing episode 4 now. Looks super in dynamic mode, Color 50, smart LED low and Cinema black off. Looks hdr to me and compares similarly with my mgo titles.

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Yeah I wish Amazon would put the UHD stuff up a bit further on the listing. I watched a show and realized it was 1080p and not UHD even though I saw it listed in the original post of this thread as UHD because I didn't pay attention before pressing play. I have smart led on standard/medium but maybe trying low is worth a shot to see if that helps a bit with what I am seeing. It's worth a try anyway.

I am always willing to try different settings to get a better picture. HDR is all new to me too. I am only familiar with it from video games and still photos.

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No and I wish there was a way to screenshot it to show you what I'm talking about. There are times when the white blooms out and covers details that you can see clear as day with it off. If you never turned it off you'd never know those small details are missing. Textures on the rocks disappears in a flash of white, clouds absolutely disappear from the background. So while the colors pop, there are things that get wiped out by a smudge of white on the picture.

This is not episode one I'm talking about. Watch man in the high castle episode 4 "Revelations" at the 46:50 mark and focus straight out over the crowd between the trees. Look at the sky. There is a cloud there. With dynamic contrast on, the cloud is a blob of white. When it's off, you can see the contrast between it and the other clouds in that part of the screen and discern the shades of grey and off white. That's what happens on my TV. It may be I'm too picky, maybe you aren't supposed to see the cloud to begin with, maybe it's something else.
Yes the cloud is easily discernable. I'm using dynamic mode and the cloud's definition fades with smart LED off and looks best with it on low.

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Yes the cloud is easily discernable. It's actually at 46:50 by the way. I'm using dynamic mode and the cloud's definition fades with smart LED off and looks best with it on low.

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Yes I noted that you used low in my previous response and maybe that's the ticket. I will try low. I have been using medium. I'll let you know my thoughts after I have some time to sit down and observe the difference it makes for me. HDR is so new to me with TVs I may have to adjust my tolerances a bit because of the increased brightness and contrast I am not used to in a moving picture outside gaming.

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I'm using dynamic mode and the cloud's definition fades with smart LED off and looks best with it on low.
again, looks like we're discussing different things. Smart LED is one of the "locked settings" and changing it has no effect on the picture (it's locked on High) once the TV picks up the metadata.
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again, looks like we're discussing different things. Smart LED is one of the "locked settings" and changing it has no effect on the picture (it's locked on High) once the TV picks up the metadata.
hes watching the SDR version, not sure why there's even a comparison of settings going on LOL

but with that said, i wasnt aware that smart LED locked into high, will have to check that to make sure.

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I'll concede on that point. However, others are confirming what I'm seeing along with getting an automatic kick to 20/100/55 and it does seem to look better and behave differently than regular uhd IMHO. For example a dynamic mode color setting of 49-50 looks really good with this title whereas it would normally look way oversaturated. I realize I do not have what's considered the right gear and no desire to re-open the old bucket of worms that's been kicked over ad nauseam in the 3500 thread. So I'll let you fine gentlemen with the proper equipment return to your cigars and cognac and back on topic with that list of HDR titles. I'll remain a humble observer.

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hes watching the SDR version, not sure why there's even a comparison of settings going on LOL



but with that said, i wasnt aware that smart LED locked into high, will have to check that to make sure.

Smart led is not locked on my js9000. I can freely adjust it but the difference is very subtle and I struggle to see the difference when flipping it. The locked settings are backlight and contrast that go to 20/100 and maybe others that I did not try to adjust. I have now rewatched an episode with dynamic contrast on medium and it is something I can get used to. The picture is brighter overall with much more prominent colors. I am not entirely sure I would notice the things I say I noticed previously with regards to obscured details in the ultra bright portions of the screen if I did not purposely flip back and forth and focus on a small part of the picture that isn't the focus of the scene to begin with. It may be worth it just for the extra color pop.
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Smart led is not locked on my js9000. I can freely adjust it but the difference is very subtle and I struggle to see the difference when flipping it. The locked settings are backlight and contrast that go to 20/100 and maybe others that I did not try to adjust. I have now rewatched an episode with dynamic contrast on medium and it is something I can get used to. The picture is brighter overall with much more prominent colors. I am not entirely sure I would notice the things I say I noticed previously with regards to obscured details in the ultra bright portions of the screen if I did not purposely flip back and forth and focus on a small part of the picture that isn't the focus of the scene to begin with. It may be worth it just for the extra color pop.


White balance may need to be calibrated to stop the extreme blowout. Last I heard though the Samsung tvs were not cooperating with calibration patterns according to Chad b.

And even though medium and sometimes high can cause a little loss of detail, I really like the extra pop and colors so it's hard not to keep it at medium at least. The colors are insane on high, but lately the blowout has been really bad on high. Elysium hdr has some crazy colors. The reds are so incredibly rich on the androids and the helicopter that it looks like your staring at a car with a brand new blood-red paint job right in your living room the way it shines.

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Smart led is not locked on my js9000. I can freely adjust it but the difference is very subtle and I struggle to see the difference when flipping it.
that's what i meant by "locked". juts like Color Space, it lets you flip through it without actually changing anything. i guess the right word would be "forced" here. with Smart LED, the difference between the 3 settings is barely noticeable or not at all.
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I hope Ultraflix gets some good HDR content and that their Black Friday special includes those movies since I just went for the 99 rentals for $99 deal. They didn't have any fine print about whether they will limit which rentals people can get, but so far it seems that they include all their rentals at the best quality they offer in the deal.

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Ultraflix has been underwhelming to me. Watched a couple of free demos and the Terminator Genysis and I don't think they looked better than the Netflix or Amazon 4K offerings. Heck, I think blu rays look better also. Just my opinion.
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Ultraflix has been underwhelming to me. Watched a couple of free demos and the Terminator Genysis and I don't think they looked better than the Netflix or Amazon 4K offerings. Heck, I think blu rays look better also. Just my opinion.

Some of the ultra flix stuff looks better than the blu-Ray but the lack of 5.1 audio on a lot of it makes it impossible to watch for me. Audio is as important as the video to me. I dunno if all their stuff lacks 5.1 but the two I watched did not and there was no way to get it to play in 5.1 that I found.

That said the stuff Amazon offers in UHD destroys everything else out there in terms of picture quality, including Blu-Ray. At least to my eyes.

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Some of the ultra flix stuff looks better than the blu-Ray but the lack of 5.1 audio on a lot of it makes it impossible to watch for me. Audio is as important as the video to me. I dunno if all their stuff lacks 5.1 but the two I watched did not and there was no way to get it to play in 5.1 that I found.

That said the stuff Amazon offers in UHD destroys everything else out there in terms of picture quality, including Blu-Ray. At least to my eyes.
I concur. Amazon is remarkable. Edge and The Man in the High Castle are definitely some great eye candy to show off a 4K set with HDR capabilities.
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I concur. Amazon is remarkable. Edge and The Man in the High Castle are definitely some great eye candy to show off a 4K set with HDR capabilities.
i also concur. i rented the new terminator, and while at times it looked 4k, the compression artifacts were the worst ive seen on any streaming site. I purchased 25 credits, and will just save them for when they release their HDR stuff, the 10 bit color from HDR will help out ALOT.

castle and edge look very good, but the sony HDR movies are better. Theres still something about the amazon tv shows that i think can be better, particularly black levels. it seems alot of the dark scenes are more gray than black. bosche has absolutely horrible black levels, even the OLED guys were complaining. its gotten a little better, but i still think blu ray has better blacks as does the sony hdr and the mgo hdr too.
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i also concur. i rented the new terminator, and while at times it looked 4k, the compression artifacts were the worst ive seen on any streaming site. I purchased 25 credits, and will just save them for when they release their HDR stuff, the 10 bit color from HDR will help out ALOT.

castle and edge look very good, but the sony HDR movies are better. Theres still something about the amazon tv shows that i think can be better, particularly black levels. it seems alot of the dark scenes are more gray than black. bosche has absolutely horrible black levels, even the OLED guys were complaining. its gotten a little better, but i still think blu ray has better blacks as does the sony hdr and the mgo hdr too.
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Elysium and smurfs 2 are the top 2. smurfs is a kid movie, but visually it was crazy looking. "After Earth" looked pretty good too. I have no idea how these look in regular UHD, but in HDR they were awesome.

Elysium is a sci fi movie, if you get a chance to see that one in HDR, i think you'll be extremely impressed.
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Elysium and smurfs 2 are the top 2. smurfs is a kid movie, but visually it was crazy looking. "After Earth" looked pretty good too. I have no idea how these look in regular UHD, but in HDR they were awesome.

Elysium is a sci fi movie, if you get a chance to see that one in HDR, i think you'll be extremely impressed.
I got Elysium nearly a year ago in 1080p. The problem I had with that one was the moment they look up and see Elysium up in the sky. Very bad haloed imagery there. So yes, I'll certainly take a peek at the UHD/HDR offering. Thanks.

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I got Elysium nearly a year ago in 1080p. The problem I had with that one was the moment they look up and see Elysium up in the sky. Very bad haloed imagery there. So yes, I'll certainly take a peek at the UHD/HDR offering. Thanks.

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I own it on blu ray also. It blows away the 1080p version easily. The rich colors are something that needs to be seen.

Also, I think I know the halo moment your talking about. I wonder if the director intended it to be like that. It was improved on the hdr version but not 100% fixes.
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I own it on blu ray also. It blows away the 1080p version easily. The rich colors are something that needs to be seen.

Also, I think I know the halo moment your talking about. I wonder if the director intended it to be like that. It was improved on the hdr version but not 100% fixes.
$29 is a bit steep for a title I already own. I'd check it out if it was free for prime members.

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Anyone know why Amazon on Sony doesn't have the HDR badge? I still think the UHD shows look great, but would feel better to know that I'm 100% getting HDR....
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i also concur. i rented the new terminator, and while at times it looked 4k, the compression artifacts were the worst ive seen on any streaming site. I purchased 25 credits, and will just save them for when they release their HDR stuff, the 10 bit color from HDR will help out ALOT.

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I think some of it is the fact that Sony Pictures likely spent more time refining and perfecting the HDR in their movies to act as a showpiece to push the technology and bring out the best in them. Amazon probably didn't have the same amount of "love" applied to their exclusive shows. Sony has always been a proponent of pushing technology for films in the past. Especially if it means showing off their home theater gear.

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I don't see the HDR badge on any Amazon stuff but it's clear that it is getting an HDR picture. I wish it was labeled as being an HDR title like the MGo movies do.
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I think some of it is the fact that Sony Pictures likely spent more time refining and perfecting the HDR in their movies to act as a showpiece to push the technology and bring out the best in them. Amazon probably didn't have the same amount of "love" applied to their exclusive shows. Sony has always been a proponent of pushing technology for films in the past. Especially if it means showing off their home theater gear.



I don't see the HDR badge on any Amazon stuff but it's clear that it is getting an HDR picture. I wish it was labeled as being an HDR title like the MGo movies do.
In the past I've seen "HDR" attached to Amazon videos when I was doing the JS emulation thing. Must only get displayed with those models.

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I think some of it is the fact that Sony Pictures likely spent more time refining and perfecting the HDR in their movies to act as a showpiece to push the technology and bring out the best in them. Amazon probably didn't have the same amount of "love" applied to their exclusive shows. Sony has always been a proponent of pushing technology for films in the past. Especially if it means showing off their home theater gear.



I don't see the HDR badge on any Amazon stuff but it's clear that it is getting an HDR picture. I wish it was labeled as being an HDR title like the MGo movies do.
The hdr badge is in the show info before you play it. For the tv shows, u have to click on the episode info.
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The hdr badge is in the show info before you play it. For the tv shows, u have to click on the episode info.

I don't seem to find it. When I look at a show I get a listing of the episodes in the season. Then an option to play it now, resume if I partially watched it, or it says I watched it already. Where do I get the additional info?

edit: nevermind I do see it now, if you scroll over to the episode title and select it you will see expanded info. I didn't know that. I still wish it was labeled HDR prior to expanding the information. Like if they list Ultra HD and HDR in the title. A small complaint.

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I don't seem to find it. When I look at a show I get a listing of the episodes in the season. Then an option to play it now, resume if I partially watched it, or it says I watched it already. Where do I get the additional info?

edit: nevermind I do see it now, if you scroll over to the episode title and select it you will see expanded info. I didn't know that. I still wish it was labeled HDR prior to expanding the information. Like if they list Ultra HD and HDR in the title. A small complaint.
Here's what we're talking about:
You won't see "HDR" unless you have a 2015 JS set.

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I don't seem to find it. When I look at a show I get a listing of the episodes in the season. Then an option to play it now, resume if I partially watched it, or it says I watched it already. Where do I get the additional info?

edit: nevermind I do see it now, if you scroll over to the episode title and select it you will see expanded info. I didn't know that. I still wish it was labeled HDR prior to expanding the information. Like if they list Ultra HD and HDR in the title. A small complaint.
This is the same for me. Sadly, I don't think Sony's have been updated for Amazon just yet like the Samsungs have. I think the Sony update just added the HDR mode, but doesn't play the Amazon HDR yet.
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This is the same for me. Sadly, I don't think Sony's have been updated for Amazon just yet like the Samsungs have. I think the Sony update just added the HDR mode, but doesn't play the Amazon HDR yet.
Did u read his edit? U gotta scroll over to the left and click on the specific episode info, right next to "watch now".

I actually sent amazon feedback a couple months ago about doing a better job of labeling the hdr. The struggles of being an early adopter!
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