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Same here. Leaning towards 3D, but waiting for reviews of the HDR first.

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My lean is on 3D also unless I hear that the 3D is terrible, and the HDR is amazing. The 3D version has come down a bit in price too at Amazon.
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My lean is on 3D also unless I hear that the 3D is terrible, and the HDR is amazing. The 3D version has come down a bit in price too at Amazon.
I liked the 3D in theaters, and didn't see a lot that would lead me to think the HDR version would be better, but I would be happy to be proven wrong.

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Not True.
Yes it is, depending on the TV. Think of it like lowering the "exposure" of the HDR image so that 100 nits gets mapped to 17.5 nits and 4000 nits gets mapped to 700 nits, which allows you to uncap the brighter highlight detail and color. You need a perfectly dark environment for your eyes to be able to adapt to an image that dark, and it would probably take a while to adjust to that dark of an image, but once your eyes adjust, the relative contrast of the HDR highlights will look nearly as brilliant as they would on a 4000 nit screen, plus there would be no ABL as there might have been before.

Remapping 4000 nits to 700 may be too dark of an image for most people, and it might even be too dark to adapt to, not sure on the threshold on that, but LG did recently modify their HDR Game mode on the TV I own, and this results in essentially half the exposure, meaning it rolls off above 2000 nits (original tone mapping rolled off above 1000 nits), even though the screen is a 650 nit panel. This results in an image less than a third as bright as designed (and therefore a lot of complaints), but if you watch it in a dark enough environment for your eyes to adjust, it can feel like you're watching a 2000nit OLED with no ABL. It's quite impressive on games and some movies with brighter nit highlights like Batman v Superman for example.

For most people, who watch TV with some light in the room, this wouldn't work. It can only work if the ambient light is low enough to account for the lowered exposure on the image. Since HDR is designed with 5nit ambient light in mind, you would need <0.875 nits of ambient light for the above 4000-to-700 nit solution to work right.

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Just wait until 2018 models come out and more tvs start using features similar to active hdr like the 2017 oleds.

Imo it's a game changing feature that dramatically benefits hdr picture quality. Never watch hdr 10 without it now!
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I think Wonder Woman is available on Vudu now. Has anyone tried the UHD version to comment on the HDR quality?

I'll be waiting for disc, but still unsure on 4k or 3D at this point.
Will there be a Best Buy 3D/UHD version like there was with GOTGV2?
I would purchase it if there is. Otherwise I will get the UHD version over the 3D version. Although I would prefer to have both.

I saw the 3D version of WW in IMAX. And I saw the 2D version of WW in a Dolby Theater. I liked both versions. Like GOTGV2, they both had their merits.

EDIT: Crap. I just looked at BestBuy. They have a steelbook version for $5 more. But it looks to be the same as the regular UHD version. So no 3D with it. Which is a waste as far as I'm concerned. A lost sale form me then.
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Anyone know if Narcos will be presented in HDR on Netflix?

I've thoroughly enjoyed this show ever since the first season, and season 3 has received superb reviews. It's even been compared to The Wire and referred to as one of the best season of TV in the last couple of decades. I'll enjoy it no matter what, but it would be great if they release it in HDR.
Seriously doubt it. The first two seasons weren't so I can't imagine season 3 will be. Show looks good enough to me anyway that it doesn't need HDR! I can't wait until Friday!

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Yes it is, depending on the TV. Think of it like lowering the "exposure" of the HDR image so that 100 nits gets mapped to 17.5 nits and 4000 nits gets mapped to 700 nits, which allows you to uncap the brighter highlight detail and color. You need a perfectly dark environment for your eyes to be able to adapt to an image that dark, and it would probably take a while to adjust to that dark of an image, but once your eyes adjust, the relative contrast of the HDR highlights will look nearly as brilliant as they would on a 4000 nit screen, plus there would be no ABL as there might have been before.

Remapping 4000 nits to 700 may be too dark of an image for most people, and it might even be too dark to adapt to, not sure on the threshold on that, but LG did recently modify their HDR Game mode on the TV I own, and this results in essentially half the exposure, meaning it rolls off above 2000 nits (original tone mapping rolled off above 1000 nits), even though the screen is a 650 nit panel. This results in an image less than a third as bright as designed (and therefore a lot of complaints), but if you watch it in a dark enough environment for your eyes to adjust, it can feel like you're watching a 2000nit OLED with no ABL. It's quite impressive on games and some movies with brighter nit highlights like Batman v Superman for example.

For most people, who watch TV with some light in the room, this wouldn't work. It can only work if the ambient light is low enough to account for the lowered exposure on the image. Since HDR is designed with 5nit ambient light in mind, you would need <0.875 nits of ambient light for the above 4000-to-700 nit solution to work right.
The one thing you are not taking into account is most of the luminace range is well below 750 nits on Blu Ray HDR disc's. The megadata/dynamic contrast is being processed internally by the display. So that all depends on how the display processes the megadata info.
Now you can take this one step further and calibrate the grayscale/gamma a modified version of LG's 2017 OLED release notes. http://www.lg.com/us/support/product...OLED%20TVs.pdf

Using Calman's Levels editor set to 8bit RGB to convert the percentages, then use Calamns workflow HDR10 and LG's High/Low expert settings. Of course you will need a pattern generator to set the 2017 LG OLED to HDR mode and and send the correct triplet window patterns. Plus a well profiled color meter like a K10-A if you want to be exact.

If you would post all of my post that explains what the floor is on a 4000 nit Blu Ray movie and how all this works. As I said it is 0.005 nits, the floor on most 1000 nit Blu Ray is 0.0005 nits.

What ever LG TV you have, it would not be able to come anywhere close to 2000 nits. So it is not possible for your TV to roll off above 2000 nits. If you are using some external processor and have it set to start to roll off at 2000 nits, then there is at least one of the issues you are seeing.

Also as I said, even if you are in a light controlled room the PQ with a 2017 LG OLED and viewing a well mastered HDR Blu Ray will look at least as bright as a SDR Blu Ray. The only thing you will miss in a non dark room is some shadow detail if your display has a black level of .005 nits for most 4000 nit Blu Ray HDR disc's is some shadow detail and .0005 nits for 1000 nit Blu Ray video.
For a 4000 nit Blu Ray video, the only thing probably will be improperly displayed, is something like a very bright flash.

As for game mode on a LG 2017 OLED, it isn't any brighter (higher nits) than you can set HDR cinema mode. Game mode is simply a faster transfer function for video games.
Because of your use of video games are you setting your source to PC range 0-255 or video range 16-235.
If you are using PC range then that is also a issue when viewing Blu Ray HDR video disc's, and probably causing some of your poor PQ.
When it comes to streaming HDR video, you can't use that as a reference.

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Yes it is, depending on the TV. Think of it like lowering the "exposure" of the HDR image so that 100 nits gets mapped to 17.5 nits and 4000 nits gets mapped to 700 nits, which allows you to uncap the brighter highlight detail and color. You need a perfectly dark environment for your eyes to be able to adapt to an image that dark, and it would probably take a while to adjust to that dark of an image, but once your eyes adjust, the relative contrast of the HDR highlights will look nearly as brilliant as they would on a 4000 nit screen, plus there would be no ABL as there might have been before.

Remapping 4000 nits to 700 may be too dark of an image for most people, and it might even be too dark to adapt to, not sure on the threshold on that, but LG did recently modify their HDR Game mode on the TV I own, and this results in essentially half the exposure, meaning it rolls off above 2000 nits (original tone mapping rolled off above 1000 nits), even though the screen is a 650 nit panel. This results in an image less than a third as bright as designed (and therefore a lot of complaints), but if you watch it in a dark enough environment for your eyes to adjust, it can feel like you're watching a 2000nit OLED with no ABL. It's quite impressive on games and some movies with brighter nit highlights like Batman v Superman for example.

For most people, who watch TV with some light in the room, this wouldn't work. It can only work if the ambient light is low enough to account for the lowered exposure on the image. Since HDR is designed with 5nit ambient light in mind, you would need &lt;0.875 nits of ambient light for the above 4000-to-700 nit solution to work right.
The one thing you are not taking into account is most of the luminace range is well below 750 nits on Blu Ray HDR disc's. The megadata/dynamic contrast is being processed internally by the display. So that all depends on how the display processes the megadata info.
Now you can take this one step further and calibrate the grayscale/gamma a modified version of LG's 2017 OLED release notes. http://www.lg.com/us/support/product...OLED%20TVs.pdf

Using Calman's Levels editor set to 8bit RGB to convert the percentages, then use Calamns workflow HDR10 and LG's High/Low expert settings. Of course you will need a pattern generator to set the 2017 LG OLED to HDR mode and and send the correct triplet window patterns. Plus a well profiled color meter like a K10-A if you want to be exact.

If you would post all of my post that explains what the floor is on a 4000 nit Blu Ray movie and how all this works. As I said it is 0.005 nits, the floor on most 1000 nit Blu Ray is 0.0005 nits.

What ever LG TV you have, it would not be able to come anywhere close to 2000 nits. So it is not possible for your TV to roll off above 2000 nits. If you are using some external processor and have it set to start to roll off at 2000 nits, then there is at least one of the issues you are seeing.

Also as I said, even if you are in a light controlled room the PQ with a 2017 LG OLED and viewing a well mastered HDR Blu Ray will look at least as bright as a SDR Blu Ray. The only thing you will miss in a non dark room is some shadow detail if your display has a black level of .005 nits for most 4000 nit Blu Ray HDR disc's is some shadow detail and .0005 nits for 1000 nit Blu Ray video.
For a 4000 nit Blu Ray video, the only thing probably will be improperly displayed, is something like a very bright flash.

As for game mode on a LG 2017 OLED, it isn't any brighter (higher nits) than you can set HDR cinema mode. Game mode is simply a faster transfer function for video games.
Because of your use of video games are you setting your source to PC range 0-255 or video range 16-235.
If you are using PC range then that is also a issue when viewing Blu Ray HDR video disc's, and probably causing some of your poor PQ.
When it comes to streaming HDR video, you can't use that as a reference.

I hope this helps.

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This post is wrong in many ways.

But to make things simple, let me deflate the idea that the only thing not being displayed properly on a 4,000 nit mastered Blu Ray is a bright flash.

Lots of 4,000 nit mastered content has specular detail above the 1,500 range such as cloud detail and water reflection detail. Easily seen on hacksaw ridge for example and even the Sony HDR demos like the campfire by mount Fuji demo. On tvs that clip rather than tone map, the clouds and water reflections get blown out and look flat/cartoony.
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Man people are going to be in for a shock whenever the first major digital distribution platform goes out of business, or starts delisting content they own.

It may not be the near future, but nothing on the internet lasts forever. I personally prefer to have something that is not only higher quality, but isn't dependent on some other service or license for my ability to watch it. Not to mention the ability to sell, trade, borrow, etc. It boggles my mind how digital platforms have become so popular given all of the problems inherent with them.

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Just wait until 2018 models come out and more tvs start using features similar to active hdr like the 2017 oleds.

Imo it's a game changing feature that dramatically benefits hdr picture quality. Never watch hdr 10 without it now!


That's the one that turns off tone mapping for anything under the max brightness of the tv?

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Imo it's a game changing feature that dramatically benefits hdr picture quality. Never watch hdr 10 without it now!


That's the one that turns off tone mapping for anything under the max brightness of the tv?
Yep. Works wonders. Never any complaints about her being dim anymore. Looks fantastic all the time... Brings hdr 10 almost to dv levels.

Hell I even play PS4 with it on. Surprisingly playable. After playing with it I found the reason why game mode is dim is because it now permanently tone maps to 4000ish nits so everything below it is compressed and dimmed. It used to just clip so brightness wouldn't be affected.

Using a static tone map setting for games is a bad m mistake since hdr in games have peak brightness all over the place.
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Too bad the movie isn't very good. I watched the UHD BD rental last night. It's like all the good scenes were in the trailer. But yes, it did look very good in UHD/HDR.
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You don't seem to understand what I'm talking about. I'm not talking about magically displaying 2000 nits on a 650 nit display. I'm saying that if you do it the way I'm talking about, you can take detail that was originally encoded for 2000 nits, and display it at 650 nits instead, by lowering the light output of everything by an equal multiplier. That's not the same as tone mapping, as tone mapping tends to keep at least the first 100 nits intact.

The way I'm discussing, you get the same image dynamics, as highlights are still the same ratio brighter than shadows and mids, so once your eyes adjust to the darker image, you are simulating a 2000 nit experience. Because our eyes can adapt to different brightnesses as long as the room is dark enough, what really matters here is the relative brightness of the different elements on screen, not the absolute brightness. All of this depends on what control your tv gives you in the calibration, but the new HDR game mode does effectively do this for the content encoded in the first 2000 nits on my TV. It's a common complaint because not everybody has a dark enough room to adapt to the darker image.

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Last night I was finally able to setup my VUDU/UltraViolet account and redeemed about 15 UHD movies.

I did notice that when accessing them on VUDU, some said I had purchased the UHD version while others said I had purchased the HDX version. ALL of the movies I purchased are UHD/HDR discs with some being UHD/DV.

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Will there be a Best Buy 3D/UHD version like there was with GOTGV2?
I would purchase it if there is. Otherwise I will get the UHD version over the 3D version. Although I would prefer to have both.

I saw the 3D version of WW in IMAX. And I saw the 2D version of WW in a Dolby Theater. I liked both versions. Like GOTGV2, they both had their merits.

EDIT: Crap. I just looked at BestBuy. They have a steelbook version for $5 more. But it looks to be the same as the regular UHD version. So no 3D with it. Which is a waste as far as I'm concerned. A lost sale form me then.
I know. This is so disappointing to have to pick. I would prefer to have them both, but that is too hefty of a double dip for me.

Even more disappointing to me is it's the same deal with Spider-Man Homecoming. No combo pack. I would have thought Best Buy would be all over these with the popularity of the Kong: Skull Island and Guardians 2 ones they had.
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Last night I was finally able to setup my VUDU/UltraViolet account and redeemed about 15 UHD movies.

I did notice that when accessing them on VUDU, some said I had purchased the UHD version while others said I had purchased the HDX version. ALL of the movies I purchased are UHD/HDR discs with some being UHD/DV.

Shouldn't all my redeemed movies show up as UHD movies
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Will there be a Best Buy 3D/UHD version like there was with GOTGV2?
I would purchase it if there is. Otherwise I will get the UHD version over the 3D version. Although I would prefer to have both.

I saw the 3D version of WW in IMAX. And I saw the 2D version of WW in a Dolby Theater. I liked both versions. Like GOTGV2, they both had their merits.

EDIT: Crap. I just looked at BestBuy. They have a steelbook version for $5 more. But it looks to be the same as the regular UHD version. So no 3D with it. Which is a waste as far as I'm concerned. A lost sale form me then.
I just stumbled upon these:

https://www.amazon.fr/Wonder-Woman-U...s=wonder+woman

https://www.amazon.fr/SPIDER-MAN-HOM...PGFN8FJ06244SK

Lucky France. Sure would be nice if the 3D discs were region free, but they are probably not.
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I just stumbled upon these:

https://www.amazon.fr/Wonder-Woman-U...s=wonder+woman

https://www.amazon.fr/SPIDER-MAN-HOM...PGFN8FJ06244SK

Lucky France. Sure would be nice if the 3D discs were region free, but they are probably not.
I'm not too worried about being region free since I can just rip it to my unRAID servers and watch the 3D BD ISOs from my Popcorn hour players. If the price were a little lower I would actually think about getting them from there.

Plus I'd have to figure out a way to see if I could get the UHD UV streaming rights. I know I used a workaround with the titles I had purchased from Canada last year. Not sure if it would work from Europe though.

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I'm not too worried about being region free since I can just rip it to my unRAID servers and watch the 3D BD ISOs from my Popcorn hour players. If the price were a little lower I would actually think about getting them from there.

Plus I'd have to figure out a way to see if I could get the UHD UV streaming rights. I know I used a workaround with the titles I had purchased from Canada last year. Not sure if it would work from Europe though.
It looks like the prices are better once you add them to your cart for some reason. If I add both and go to check out, they are 24,99 Euros each and 10 euros total to ship. So, it's 60 total which I think is bit over $70 U.S.? That's pretty comparable to the Best Buy combo packages.
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First understand I am not disagreeing with the use of a dark room and no ambient lighting. But that has always been the case at least starting with the Kuro and then Panasonic Plasma's and now the OLED's.

What I am talking about is the 2017 LG OLED that does about 756 nits peak white. And using HDR well mastered Blu Ray disc's.
I am also saying all of this is very dependent on how the megadata is processed and any type of calibration used.

What is the model of the LG TV you are using??
What kind of software and hardware are you using.??

I think you are confusing how to calibrate/setup a projector with how to calibrate/setup a TV like the 2017 OLED works for HDR.

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This post is wrong in many ways.

But to make things simple, let me deflate the idea that the only thing not being displayed properly on a 4,000 nit mastered Blu Ray is a bright flash.

Lots of 4,000 nit mastered content has specular detail above the 1,500 range such as cloud detail and water reflection detail. Easily seen on hacksaw ridge for example and even the Sony HDR demos like the campfire by mount Fuji demo. On tvs that clip rather than tone map, the clouds and water reflections get blown out and look flat/cartoony.
All this coming from the guy that proclaimed that folks should set the brightness setting in the 2017 LG OLED to about 56. And you tried to disagree with me when I tried to correct you and showed you though calibration reports that raising the brightness setting to that degree was very wrong.

Also how many LG OLED's have you returned because of your incorrect settings and looking at a 5% full screen gray pattern.??

If you are going to continue making your definitive statements, learn how to do a proper setup and calibration. Below is a link to help you with calibrating your 2017 LG OLED.
http://www.lg.com/us/support/product...OLED%20TVs.pdf
Note; Ted has shown these percentage's to be slightly off and will post the correct percentage's.
He has shared his correct percentage's with me and they do wonders for HDR PQ.

Also check out Calman's guide on how to properly calibrate DV on a 2017 LG OLED.

Of-course you will need to learn how to calibrate and buy or rent the reference hardware and software to do this.

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Yep. Works wonders. Never any complaints about her being dim anymore. Looks fantastic all the time... Brings hdr 10 almost to dv levels.
In the post above you seem to have issue with how the 2017 LG OLED displays HDR video,
But in this post you say "Never any complaints about her being dim anymore. Looks fantastic all the time"

btw, you do understand that I am talking about properly mastered Blu Ray HDR disc's and not streaming or video games.

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Yep. Works wonders. Never any complaints about her being dim anymore. Looks fantastic all the time... Brings hdr 10 almost to dv levels.

Hell I even play PS4 with it on. Surprisingly playable. After playing with it I found the reason why game mode is dim is because it now permanently tone maps to 4000ish nits so everything below it is compressed and dimmed. It used to just clip so brightness wouldn't be affected.

Using a static tone map setting for games is a bad m mistake since hdr in games have peak brightness all over the place.


I think that's just because games aren't graded like movies. They also don't use expanded color capabilities. I heard Star Wars Battlefront 2 will be the first game designed to use the rec.2020 space. It will use Dolby vision with hdr10 support as well on PC. Personally I haven't had any complaints about the HDR in games I've played using it. Much better than SDR gaming for sure. I haven't seen hdr games on every TV so maybe the tone mapping does cause some issues with the overall brightness on some models. From what I have read in this and other threads though the newest OLED sets from LG tend to be quite dim when using their tone mapping when compared to other tvs. I'm surprised that you can't use active hdr while also using the lower input lag game mode. I'd have to see it for myself. Wonder if it's something you could just get used to.

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The award for most intriguing news today goes to Apple.


For those who haven't heard. Apples new 4k stuff is set to launch next month and apple is in final negotiations for bringing 4k content on board. It's been leaked that Apple wants to tell 4k content for the same price as HD material, and the studios are dead against that idea. They want that premium over HD. So anyone hoping for cheaper prices on vudu or other apps may not wanna hold their breath for too long lol


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The award for most intriguing news today goes to Apple.


For those who haven't heard. Apples new 4k stuff is set to launch next month and apple is in final negotiations for bringing 4k content on board. It's been leaked that Apple wants to tell 4k content for the same price as HD material, and the studios are dead against that idea. They want that premium over HD. So anyone hoping for cheaper prices on vudu or other apps may not wanna hold their breath for too long lol


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Haven't owned an Apple product since 2007 but would jump on this quickly.

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