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Ok, I was thinking something was wrong with my settings for a minute. This movie is a mixed bag for me. It's the first movie I can really tell different cameras were used for different scenes. Some scenes look impeccable with sharpness and colors while others look fuzzy and drab. I had high hopes for the look of this movie with it having a 4k DI, but I'm disappointed. However, the scenes with Snoke in them look incredible!
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Anyone else noticing raised black level in the VUDU stream of The Last Jedi?


Only the shots of space look slightly elevated. This was a discussion in an OLED owner thread. The rest of the movie has very deep black levels. Inside ships, caves etc. I compared the space scenes to some of the previous Star Wars movies and none of them were pure black. If you were trying to show space correctly it would be absolute black but that’s not how Star Wars is. When they are trying to show pure black it is pure black and those black levels are retained even with bright highlights in the scene. It’s not that bad for a majority of the movie. I don’t know why they choose to have shots in space without being pure black.
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Ok, I was thinking something was wrong with my settings for a minute. This movie is a mixed bag for me. It's the first movie I can really tell different cameras were used for different scenes. Some scenes look impeccable with sharpness and colors while others look fuzzy and drab. I had high hopes for the look of this movie with it having a 4k DI, but I'm disappointed. However, the scenes with Snoke in them look incredible!
Agree with this assessment. I thought most of the movie the resolution just wasn't there. The Snoke scene was one of the few good moments.
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Only the shots of space look slightly elevated. This was a discussion in an OLED owner thread. The rest of the movie has very deep black levels. Inside ships, caves etc. I compared the space scenes to some of the previous Star Wars movies and none of them were pure black. If you were trying to show space correctly it would be absolute black but that’s not how Star Wars is. When they are trying to show pure black it is pure black and those black levels are retained even with bright highlights in the scene. It’s not that bad for a majority of the movie. I don’t know why they choose to have shots in space without being pure black.


We’ve seen a trend lately with “elevated” blacks in space scenes and movies in general. It’s an artistic choice for sure. I notice these things when going to see movies in the theater, so many times I’m not surprised when it makes its way to the “home video” market.
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We’ve seen a trend lately with “elevated” blacks in space scenes and movies in general. It’s an artistic choice for sure. I notice these things when going to see movies in the theater, so many times I’m not surprised when it makes its way to the “home video” market.
So these elevated blacks were present in the Dolby Cinema presentation?

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So these elevated blacks were present in the Dolby Cinema presentation?

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Don’t have a DC near me to see it. I’m just referring to IMAX and or “regular” theater. This far what I’ve seen at home has matched what I’ve seen in the theater (although it is better at home than regular theater most of the time). Usually however people have been reporting that the home version matches what they saw in DC as well.
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So these elevated blacks were present in the Dolby Cinema presentation?
Yes, I noticed it. And Scott mentioned it in his review:
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Don’t have a DC near me to see it. I’m just referring to IMAX and or “regular” theater. This far what I’ve seen at home has matched what I’ve seen in the theater (although it is better at home than regular theater most of the time). Usually however people have been reporting that the home version matches what they saw in DC as well.
I checked out Scott's DC experience and he saw the same thing.

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I much, much prefer 24fps over anything higher for fictional content. For documentaries, I don't think there's much of a reason to keep it at 24fps, since the benefit of a lower frame rate is all about taking the audience away from reality into a larger-than-life feeling world, and there's no reason to try to convey that sensation in non fiction.
I'm with you here. Granted, Billy Lynn was my only real experience with this (and I guess Meridian?).

Here's the thing, to me the 60fps actually destroyed the immersion/realism, rather than increased it, paradoxically. Here's why...because everything is SO real, that to me it looks like a set, and people play acting. Especially in that scene where they go into the Afghan's hut. The "realism" screams out to me that this is just a set. Who has ever watched a stage play and felt like it was an absolute recreation of real life? Theoretically, a stage play should be the MOST real entertainment experience by these standards. But it isn't...you know it's not a real city, real office, etc. Because you can SEE that it's not.

That was largely my experience watching Billy Lynn, and it was especially egregious in a period piece like Meridian. I have to think it would be death to anything period, and screams "actors playing dress up." The 60fps reminded me more of a Saturday Night Live sketch in terms of reality than that I actually felt like I was immersed.

Obviously there's a cultural/conditioning element in the idea that the slight limitations of reality in 24fps makes it easier to accept it as real. I imagine it's sort of like why a beautiful woman looks more beautiful from 10 feet away than getting 6 inches from her face, or watching a magic show would be more rewarding from the front row than standing directly on the stage one foot in front of the magician. The bottom line is it's NOT real...it's actors, sets, costumes, fake dialogue, etc. So you need to have some space for your mind to fill in the gaps. Whether it's something in our brains, or just something we've been conditioned to, the "filmic" aspect of 24fps creates enough openings of missing data for my mind to fill in the holes and accept it as real. It's like I can accept it as real because I've subliminally accepted the proposition that I can't get 100% of the data.

Now, I will say that there may be better executions that could open my mind up to it more. When I got a 3D TV, one of the first things I watched was the 3D version of Dial M for Murder. In my mind, that's not actually very good Hitchcock, and the 3D was both inappropriate to the story, and executed poorly in a way that didn't advance the storytelling. If that was all I ever saw in 3D, I certainly wouldn't consider that there was ANY potential for 3D to be well used in storytelling, and no matter what you think of 3D, that's clearly not the case. Billy Lynn was, in my opinion, a terrible movie, and poorly served by 60fps, so I'll reserve the possibility that it was the "Dial M for Murder" of 60fps, and there may be more value in it for the future.

For example, I had never thought about it much from a documentary perspective, and agree that might be a wonderful application.
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I always thought different encodes for the home video were done. This begs to differ.
Why would you do raised blacks for space, I can't help but think the grades weren't properly done. I would expect elevated blacks for a conventional theater, not Dolby Vision.

I know it's been suggested as a artistic choice, that would apply to SDR, I think.

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Agree with this assessment. I thought most of the movie the resolution just wasn't there. The Snoke scene was one of the few good moments.


Lots of grain in many scenes and you can tell they switched cameras a lot. I wish it looked cleaner but this is what we have. I don’t think they botched it or ruined it. I just think the heavy CG, multiple types of cameras with different resolutions created a difficult movie to work with.
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Yes that’s how I saw it and I clearly remember the story crawl in the beginning to have a gray tint just like I see on the digital copy I own. I do think that black levels and shadow detail is a bit better in other scenes than I remember but it would be difficult to say. Dolby cinema does have annoying red lights that hit the bottom corners of the screen which probably contributed to my dislike of the black levels here.

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Why would you do raised blacks for space, I can't help but think the grades weren't properly done. I would expect elevated blacks for a conventional theater, not Dolby Vision.

I know it's been suggested as a artistic choice, that would apply to SDR, I think.

Is colorist included in the credits?

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Yeah that's a great question. I too remember space looking gray in the DV cinema in Tyson's Corner, VA. But I was holding out hope those scenes would look better on one of my OLEDs. Heck most of the time I'm at the movies I'm always thinking in the back of my mind, 'I can't wait to watch this at home!'
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Yeah that's a great question. I too remember space looking gray in the DV cinema in Tyson's Corner, VA. But I was holding out hope those scenes would look better on one of my OLEDs. Heck most of the time I'm at the movies I'm always thinking in the back of my mind, 'I can't wait to watch this at home!'


I think the same way at times where a movie will look great at home because the theater has limited capabilities. Star Wars has never had pure black scenes in space even when it could be done it’s always a slight gray and not really black like NASA videos show. Never knew why.

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Looks like DP Steve Yedlin isn't a fan of HDR, and chose to keep it conservative.

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Looks like DP Steve Yedlin isn't a fan of HDR, and chose to keep it conservative.
This is a quote that stood out to me from the ASC article:
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Once the standard-dynamic-range grade was completed, Volpatto and Yedlin turned their attentions to the additional release formats, including Imax and HDR versions. “I’m excited about the HDR version because we resisted any pressure to make things more saturated and contrasty just to show off the projector,” Yedlin attests. “This is a movie that uses HDR to subtly get better blacks and slightly brighter whites. We’re using a better monitor or projector to better show off the movie, not altering the movie to show off the projector.”
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So Amazon FINALLY flipped the On switch for HDR/DV on Vizio TVs.
Now my problem is that I cant find a list of what is available in CANADA that is HDR. I know all amazon video Original content is HDR but what about movies??
Barely any movies available over US Amazon video are available in Canada.
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So Amazon FINALLY flipped the On switch for HDR/DV on Vizio TVs.

Now my problem is that I cant find a list of what is available in CANADA that is HDR. I know all amazon video Original content is HDR but what about movies??

Barely any movies available over US Amazon video are available in Canada.


It’s always been difficult to get this info from amazon. As far as I found the only content in Dolby vision on amazon is Bosch season 2. Everything else including other seasons of Bosch are hdr10.

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I always thought different encodes for the home video were done. This begs to differ.

If it's artistic choice, they'll grade that way for all versions they do so that they all follow the same path. Yes they are seperate grades as of right now.
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So Amazon FINALLY flipped the On switch for HDR/DV on Vizio TVs.

Now my problem is that I cant find a list of what is available in CANADA that is HDR. I know all amazon video Original content is HDR but what about movies??

Barely any movies available over US Amazon video are available in Canada.


It really depends on what version of the app you have. Can’t help you on the Vizio end, but if you scroll down far enough you may see a blue/green tile that has UHD Movies, click that and it should get you to where you want to go. I wish you luck since things are a bit different in Canada.
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It really depends on what version of the app you have. Can’t help you on the Vizio end, but if you scroll down far enough you may see a blue/green tile that has UHD Movies, click that and it should get you to where you want to go. I wish you luck since things are a bit different in Canada.
I should have specified that I got a refund on my subscription so cant browse the app anymore. Doesnt matter if it's HDR or DV, I just want to know what is avaialble in Canada before considering paying 90$ again for the year
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I should have specified that I got a refund on my subscription so cant browse the app anymore. Doesnt matter if it's HDR or DV, I just want to know what is avaialble in Canada before considering paying 90$ again for the year
I don't know if it's available in Canada, but you can subscribe to a monthly plan first, then switch to the yearly plan later if you want.
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Amazon Prime App in Canada has the UHD - right at the VERY bottom of all the listings - thanks Amazon - love doing all the scrolling down - how about elevating it up to the first 3 listings ?

First Episode I tried was The TIC - and it is UHD 4K HDR. Tried another, so called UHD (The 3 witches, or 3 magicians, or 3 whatever?), and it looked more like 720 P! So, trial and error.

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Guys, is the 1978 Dawn of the Dead in HDR or just 4K like the Chainsaw massacre?

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Guys, is the 1978 Dawn of the Dead in HDR or just 4K like the Chainsaw massacre?


What service are you referring to?
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