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Amazon has released the movie Peterloo in 4k HDR: https://smile.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/B07QCWS2VJ/
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While streaming Netflix from my Apple TV I noticed the Dolby Vision layer shuts off momentarily from time to time. Anyone experience this? This happened while I was rewatching Sabrina on my C9.


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While streaming Netflix from my Apple TV I noticed the Dolby Vision layer shuts off momentarily from time to time. Anyone experience this? This happened while I was rewatching Sabrina on my C9.


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Would anyone even see a difference? Other than the lower compression and higher bitrate from Disc.
Here are some images I took a while back of Jumanji streamed from iTunes by the ATV4K and the disk played.
I doubt many would notices the difference in color depth. It is hard to see but there was more detail in the DV disk.


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Here are some images I took a while back of Jumanji streamed from iTunes by the ATV4K and the disk played.
I doubt many would notices the difference in color depth. It is hard to see but there was more detail in the DV disk.


The streamed audio seemed a bit more aggressive in the surrounds and center channel.


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Thanks for posting those images. In my experience, I agree that the difference between the stream and disc is actually pretty hard to see most of the time, but it's there and can be seen in certain scenes and of course it's easier to see with bigger screens.

As far as the audio side, I haven't tested the Jumanji DD+ Atmos track specifically, but so far in (Edit: almost) every example that I have tested, I've found a lossless Atmos track from a disc to be essentially identical to its streaming DD+ Atmos track. Please note, I am referring to the actual mix (the effects and their levels), and I'm not trying to say there isn't a sound quality difference between lossy and lossless

This makes sense to me. If I had already mixed an Atmos track for the disc and I needed to create a lossy Atmos track, I'd keep my existing work and just encode it to lossy.
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Your TV is a 10bit panel and cannot display the extra color information so...I don't think your statement is truly accurate. Besides you would have it backwards. Streaming is 10bit only, disc is 12bit. Again, your TV can only display in 10bit.

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Thanks for posting those images. In my experience, I agree that the difference between the stream and disc is actually pretty hard to see most of the time, but it's there and can be seen in certain scenes and of course it's easier to see with bigger screens.

As far as the audio side, I haven't tested the Jumanji DD+ Atmos track specifically, but so far in every example that I have tested, I've found a lossless Atmos track from a disc to be essentially identical to its streaming DD+ Atmos track. Please note, I am referring to the actual mix (the effects and their levels), and I'm not trying to say there isn't a sound quality difference between lossy and lossless

This makes sense to me. If I had already mixed an Atmos track for the disc and I needed to create a lossy Atmos track, I'd keep my existing work and just encode it to lossy.
I have found that streaming DD+ Atmos has weaker bass than the lossless track on the disc. That's the most notable difference for me. I have to increase the master volume by 5dB to get the same effect from the LFE.

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Your TV is a 10bit panel and cannot display the extra color information so...I don't think your statement is truly accurate. Besides you would have it backwards. Streaming is 10bit only, disc is 12bit. Again, your TV can only display in 10bit.







I have found that streaming DD+ Atmos has weaker bass than the lossless track on the disc. That's the most notable difference for me. I have to increase the master volume by 5dB to get the same effect from the LFE.
Better color can be found in the way things are tonemapping, so if we're talking DV streaming vs HDR10 disc, there is benefit to be found.

Plus, very, very few people would be able to see any difference between 10bit and 12bit. It definitely wouldn't be anything obvious.

That being said, a higher bit depth source will be better in the sense that it will lose less through any processing, and if the bit distribution of the display is different than the content (as it almost certainly would be even from tonemapping alone), then there is benefit to be found there too. However, I still have no idea what bits mean in terms of the panel. The electricity driven to the pixels will be analog, not digital.

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Your TV is a 10bit panel and cannot display the extra color information so...I don't think your statement is truly accurate. Besides you would have it backwards. Streaming is 10bit only, disc is 12bit. Again, your TV can only display in 10bit.







I have found that streaming DD+ Atmos has weaker bass than the lossless track on the disc. That's the most notable difference for me. I have to increase the master volume by 5dB to get the same effect from the LFE.
Not in that manner, streaming through Vudu, doesn't use YCbCr as a color space. It uses IPT or ICtCp(Dolby) color space. ICtCp is a constant luminance color space designed specifically for HDR.

YCbCr has crosstalk issues, as it is a non constant luminance color space. In high brightness situations red can drift to orange or magenta. Also posterization pops up.

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I have found that streaming DD+ Atmos has weaker bass than the lossless track on the disc. That's the most notable difference for me. I have to increase the master volume by 5dB to get the same effect from the LFE.
Based on what I've seen analyzing multiple cases, you may want to consider the possibility that the difference in bass level you think you experienced was placebo, at least in some cases. Again, I'm not saying there's no quality difference, but there doesn't appear to be any difference at all in effects, bass level, or filtering, in most cases.

I just remembered the two that I tested and there was a difference, and that was Aquaman and Captain Marvel. I think every other one I've tested has been essentially identical. Was Aquaman or Captain Marvel possibly ones you're thinking of? Edit to add: I want to make sure to clarify that I'm not saying you are wrong, just that while you may have experienced it in some cases, it isn't always the case, so be careful assuming it always is, that's all.

Here are a couple of recent examples that I've compared...

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Based on what I've seen analyzing multiple cases, you may want to consider the possibility that the difference in bass level you think you experienced was placebo, at least in some cases. Again, I'm not saying there's no quality difference, but there doesn't appear to be any difference at all in effects, bass level, or filtering, in most cases.



I just remembered the two that I tested and there was a difference, and that was Aquaman and Captain Marvel. I think every other one I've tested has been essentially identical. Was Aquaman or Captain Marvel possibly ones you're thinking of? Edit to add: I want to make sure to clarify that I'm not saying you are wrong, just that while you may have experienced it in some cases, it isn't always the case, so be careful assuming it always is, that's all.



Here are a couple of recent examples that I've compared...



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No, I noticed it right away with Ready Player One too. What streaming service are you measuring? I was watching through Vudu on a Apple TV 4K. I have not tried the app through my Nvidia Shield to compare. Maybe the app or device matters?

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It’s probably common knowledge, and I assume today’s festivities have gotten in the way like they did for me, but just in case... Stranger Things season 3 came out today on Netflix in 4K HDR.
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Well, I think I've said this before in other thread but I think you are overlooking the important benefit of 'oversampling'.
12-bit HDR encode of a 10-bit HDR source has less banding than a 10-bit encode of a 10-bit source just like a 4K supersampled image has less aliasing than a 2K image on 2K display.
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It’s probably common knowledge, and I assume today’s festivities have gotten in the way like they did for me, but just in case... Stranger Things season 3 came out today on Netflix in 4K HDR.

We watched it all yesterday. Some great eye candy. Would have been better with Atmos.
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We watched it all yesterday. Some great eye candy. Would have been better with Atmos.
Yes. But at least I didn't need to use my ATV 4K since it didn't have Atmos. I'm partway through episode six. Since it had DV and no Atmos I used the Netflix app on my FireTV 4K stick, my TCL TV, and my Philips UHD BD player to watch Season 3 so far. I'll probably just finish the rest of it using the FireTV 4K stick.
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The mall scenes in Stranger Things are really nice. Only two episodes in for me but looking really good!
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Indeed, Dolby Vision and wide color gamut really make 80s fashion pop.
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Just finished STs3 and have to say the use of Dolby Vision was very nice. This is especially the case for the final episode.
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Why the rush?! I can't understand where you guys get so much free time from sometimes! It would take me weeks to get to it, there's so much good stuff on TV as it is.

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Why the rush?! I can't understand where you guys get so much free time from sometimes! It would take me weeks to get to it, there's so much good stuff on TV as it is.
Me too, I'm only watching one episode per night and alternating between Stranger Things and Jessica Jones so it will take me about 3 weeks to watch all of the two series.
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I've worked out that my backlog is well over 1,000 hours. I would have to give up work to catch up. Which unfortunately I cannot afford to do. Hence my shock at how other people manage it!
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I think with the Fourth of July being a full day off for most in the US and many having a 4 day weekend out of it and possibly no plans, they just sit down and spend the day watching it. Same for any show. I did it for Punisher.

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Yep. My wife and I were both off on the 4th, don't like to travel on holidays, and all nearby family was doing other things, so we planned to spend the entire day in our pj's and taking out ST3. Took breaks to let the dog out and play, finished ep. 6, grilled burgers and baked beans, then took back to the theater to finish it off. We were in bed by 9.
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I've worked out that my backlog is well over 1,000 hours. I would have to give up work to catch up. Which unfortunately I cannot afford to do. Hence my shock at how other people manage it!
Those of us that are single and don't work weekends can easily bang out a season in a Saturday. I finished season 3 of Designated Survivor in a single sitting.
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I've worked out that my backlog is well over 1,000 hours. I would have to give up work to catch up. Which unfortunately I cannot afford to do. Hence my shock at how other people manage it!
For me, certain shows get pushed to the top of the list when they are released. Stranger Things is one of them. Jessica Jones was too. So I typically watch a new season within a couple of days to a week. I finished Stranger Things Season 3 on the second day. I hope it comes back for a fourth season.
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For me, certain shows get pushed to the top of the list when they are released. Stranger Things is one of them. Jessica Jones was too. So I typically watch a new season within a couple of days to a week. I finished Stranger Things Season 3 on the second day. I hope it comes back for a fourth season.
Those two were pushed to the top of the list for me as well but I still can only sit through one episode per day. I think I just get too impatient and need to get up after a while and do something else.

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Why the rush?! I can't understand where you guys get so much free time from sometimes! It would take me weeks to get to it, there's so much good stuff on TV as it is.


I had the day off and I’m on call so I stayed home, so plenty of time to watch. I could have done it in one day, but split it over two. I’ve also cut what I watch way down so right now when it’s fairly “slow” I can watch Netflix more easily. While there is a bunch of good shows, I rarely watch network TV and there are other shows that have been put on back burner status until I feel like starting them up. If I didn’t stay home because I was on call I wouldn’t have been able to finish in two days, but would have this weekend. As others have said, there are shows that will move to the top once released (ST is one of them). I can binge it then be done with it and go back to normal programming.
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Right into it - a few episodes, then time out to calm down.
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