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Im gonna test more after work and experiment with uhd color.

Full screen luminance was brighter on the disc.

But the highlight I was measuring was close. Need 2 test more after work because I did it quick.

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Strange part is that the highlight on the disc looked much brighter. Weird.

Will test more later with different settings.

With the disc I had it paused, im curious if pausing it affected the brightness, with mgo you can't pause because it darkens the screen by quite a bit but disc looked unaffected but will retry later.
Maybe the image appears brighter due to the better blacks and shadow detail on the disc.

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Only if you're blind.

I was doing nit comparisons of the mgo/disc versions of the martian today and the difference in sharpness/details and color vibrancy was pretty obvious.

Mgo has soft look, plain and simple.
Agreed. The only way I can see MGO having any advantage (or longevity) would be significantly cheaper movies (like $15 per title, or a subscription model) or exclusivity for 6-9 months. As it stands, they'll never see another dollar of mine.
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I think that the Vidity HDR movies are going to be indistinguishable for me between those and the UHD discs. I just wish that MGo would make the Panny UHD players work with them so I can watch them...
It would be Nice if they added The Samsung UHD Bluray player too. They would sell a hell of a lot more disc drives and movies if they opened up their support to Roku and other stb's
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Since all the movies currently releasing are encoded in 4:2:0, and most people are having serious banding issues, isn't it still possible for them to release in the future UHD blu-rays encoded in 4:2:2, or even 4:4:4, since UHD players support it natively? Also, it seems some UHD blu-rays only use 2 layers (66GB), and if encoded in 4:2:2, would fit 3 layers (100GB) easy.
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Since all the movies currently releasing are encoded in 4:2:0, and most people are having serious banding issues, isn't it still possible for them to release in the future UHD blu-rays encoded in 4:2:2, or even 4:4:4, since UHD players support it natively? Also, it seems some UHD blu-rays only use 2 layers (66GB), and if encoded in 4:2:2, would fit 3 layers (100GB) easy.
How do you figure most people are having banding issues? I thought it was just the opposite? That most people aren't having banding issues. But initially people with Samsung UHD sets were, until they had their settings right. I have no banding issues from the K8500 and my Sony UHD TV.

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How do you figure most people are having banding issues? I thought it was just the opposite? That most people aren't having banding issues. But initially people with Samsung UHD sets were, until they had their settings right. I have no banding issues from the K8500 and my Sony UHD TV.

No banding on my js9500. Just needed to turn on UHD color.
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Only if you're blind.

I was doing nit comparisons of the mgo/disc versions of the martian today and the difference in sharpness/details and color vibrancy was pretty obvious.

Mgo has soft look, plain and simple.
I wish I could see? Sorry, I corrected my post, I meant Samsung and not Panny.

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I think that the Vidity HDR movies are going to be indistinguishable for me between those and the UHD discs. I just wish that MGo would make the Samsung UHD players work with them so I can watch them...
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There is a new Vudu UHD movie out (30 total):

-In The Heart of the Sea NEW
-Pacific Rim NEW
- The Conjuring NEW
- Our Brand Is Crisis
- Black Mass
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- The Great Gatsby
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- Into the Storm
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- The Man From U.N.C.L.E.
- The Gallows
- American Sniper
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- Hangover 1
- Hangover 2
- Hangover 3
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How do you figure most people are having banding issues? I thought it was just the opposite? That most people aren't having banding issues. But initially people with Samsung UHD sets were, until they had their settings right. I have no banding issues from the K8500 and my Sony UHD TV.
I still see it with The Martian (especially at the beginning). I have all of the color options set to Auto in the player. What's the trick to make it go away and not lose HDR in the process?

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Hmmmm.


Have we heard anything about whether or not Vudu plans to support HDR-10 in the future?


Dolby Vision exclusive doesn't seem so appealing.


It's also mind boggling how every studio has signed an exclusive HDR deal with another streaming service. None of them have multiple studios in once place.


MGO - Fox, Vudu - Warner, Amazon - Sony, Paramount/Disney are MIA.


Anyone heard anything about any consolidations?
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I still see it with The Martian (especially at the beginning). I have all of the color options set to Auto in the player. What's the trick to make it go away and not lose HDR in the process?
Deep Color=Off in the player

edit: Oh and hey @Balthazar2k4 , please let us know how it goes (for others with the same TV who may run into the same thing)
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Deep Color=Off in the player

edit: Oh and hey @Balthazar2k4 , please let us know how it goes (for others with the same TV who may run into the same thing)
I think I tried that on a different movie, but thought the color didn't look as good. Probably all in my mind. Will investigate that setting again. Thanks galonzo.
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No banding on my js9500. Just needed to turn on UHD color.

I still have the banding with it turned on it just becomes a little harder to see because the picture is darker, turn the brightness up a tad and it's still there.

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I still have the banding with it turned on it just becomes a little harder to see because the picture is darker, turn the brightness up a tad and it's still there.
I think the banding is inherent to the encode. I have been slowly converting content I own to HEVC and banding is a problem even with 10-bit color. Most likely due to the 4:2:0 chroma subsampling.

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Hmmmm.


Have we heard anything about whether or not Vudu plans to support HDR-10 in the future?

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From what I'm hearing is that HDR-10 is a subset of Dolby Vision so once Vudu gets the apps to work with Dolby Vision, HDR-10 will automatically work when viewing anything with Dolby Vision. It's still too early to tell whether this will work or not since there are currently no apps that I'm aware of that use Dolby Vision.

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From what I'm hearing is that HDR-10 is a subset of Dolby Vision so once Vudu gets the apps to work with Dolby Vision, HDR-10 will automatically work when viewing anything with Dolby Vision. It's still too early to tell whether this will work or not since there are currently no apps that I'm aware of that use Dolby Vision.
Not entirely true. The VUDU app on the Vizio R65 has Dolby Vision baked in. The Roku 4 has 10-bit capability, but not HDR (which is really weird to me seeing as VUDU made their connection so public).

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There is a new Vudu UHD movie out (30 total):

-In The Heart of the Sea NEW
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I just just checked and this appears to be a preorder listing, but coming soon.

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From what I'm hearing is that HDR-10 is a subset of Dolby Vision so once Vudu gets the apps to work with Dolby Vision, HDR-10 will automatically work when viewing anything with Dolby Vision. It's still too early to tell whether this will work or not since there are currently no apps that I'm aware of that use Dolby Vision.

Vudu support told me that the base layer of their DV movies is sdr 709, not hdr10. So we'll have to see if he was wrong.

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Vudu support told me that the base layer of their DV movies is sdr 709, not hdr10. So we'll have to see if he was wrong.

If that's the case they probably won't be getting many sales/rentals. Probably end up like MGo since you can just get discs now.

Thinking about the UHD discs though it seems like the launch was handled poorly. We thought players would arrive before discs, then the discs started showing up, then the players arrived for some retailers and not others, now they are pretty much unavailable anywhere at the moment with no real indication as to when they will be back in stock. It just seems to me that they could have coordinated it a bit better than they did. Has anyone actually heard anything from a credible source about when the players will be more widely available?

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I'm going to ask a favor of everyone here, and when I'm done I ask that when you roast me you remember to turn me over so that one side isn't burnt while the other side is raw.


This is supposed to be a site devoted exclusively to a listing of upcoming UHD disc movies. It has no other reason for existing. Period. When people access this area it should only be to know what forthcoming titles have been announced or rumored. As such, there should be no comments from users at all.


Please, people, if you have a topic on UHD to discuss, take it to the appropriate room; it doesn't belong here. This room should only be a list of upcoming 4k movies. Your comment on such movies belongs elsewhere. There are those of us who want to see immediately what's coming for 4k, and we don't want to wade through information that does not pertain to this room's exclusive purpose.


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Yeah, mgo wont see another dime of my cash now that we have discs!
According to retails SKUs it does not appear that Victor is coming to disc anytime soon - not on Amazon, Best Buy, etc. as an HDR title.

It appears that some titles that underperformed in theaters are not coming to disc initially. As the player now apparently supports MGO/Vidity you can use one box for both.

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The entire series is hdr, though the pilot was filmed last spring/summer, the rest was filmed much later.

I did compare and the hdr version is definitely more colorful with better pop. Pilot episode here.
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I still see it with The Martian (especially at the beginning). I have all of the color options set to Auto in the player. What's the trick to make it go away and not lose HDR in the process?
I have the HDMI input set to "Enhanced" onmy 850C and I also have Deep color set to Auto in the K8500. But whether Deep color is on or off I don't see any banding in the beginning of The Martian.

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I'm going to ask a favor of everyone here, and when I'm done I ask that when you roast me you remember to turn me over so that one side isn't burnt while the other side is raw.


This is supposed to be a site devoted exclusively to a listing of upcoming UHD disc movies. It has no other reason for existing. Period. When people access this area it should only be to know what forthcoming titles have been announced or rumored. As such, there should be no comments from users at all.


Please, people, if you have a topic on UHD to discuss, take it to the appropriate room; it doesn't belong here. This room should only be a list of upcoming 4k movies. Your comment on such movies belongs elsewhere. There are those of us who want to see immediately what's coming for 4k, and we don't want to wade through information that does not pertain to this room's exclusive purpose.


Thank you for your understanding.

I appreciate your following of the thread.

As I pointed out in the 1st post that contains the list, the thread may include discussion of HDR related topics, that may not be specific to whats being released.

I think it is important to not only discuss WHAT, is coming out, but WHERE to obtain the material. And in that, will come the QUALITY of the material. Not all HDR material is created equal, and as alot of us have found out, some is better than others. As alot of us found out earlier in this thread, alot of the early amazon HDR stuff was not graded properly and suffered from things such as gray blacks, extreme blowout of highlights. There really is nowhere else to post about that stuff.

But the most important part of the thread is Post # 1, which has the list which I update as often as I can. I prefer to update from my computer instead of my phone because of ease, so when i get to the computer I try to do it asap. I will try to stay as close to topic as possible. But the past few weeks with the release of UHD blu ray has been hectic on AVS, everyone has been on a frenzy trying to figure it all out. Pretty much every thread (including tv threads) have gone off topic as UHD blu ray has taken over pretty much.

People are more than welcome to share their experiences with HDR material, so I know what to buy and what to avoid

Thank you to you and everyone who participates in helping keep the thread going.

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I'm going to ask a favor of everyone here, and when I'm done I ask that when you roast me you remember to turn me over so that one side isn't burnt while the other side is raw.


This is supposed to be a site devoted exclusively to a listing of upcoming UHD disc movies. It has no other reason for existing. Period. When people access this area it should only be to know what forthcoming titles have been announced or rumored. As such, there should be no comments from users at all.


Please, people, if you have a topic on UHD to discuss, take it to the appropriate room; it doesn't belong here. This room should only be a list of upcoming 4k movies. Your comment on such movies belongs elsewhere. There are those of us who want to see immediately what's coming for 4k, and we don't want to wade through information that does not pertain to this room's exclusive purpose.


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Discussing issues with certain content is related to creating a master list of HDR titles as is discussions of availability from various retailers including the player. If you ask me this is one of the most on topic discussions on these forums. If all you want is a list of titles and where to watch them the first post is updated constantly. You'll get all that info right there.

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I still see it with The Martian (especially at the beginning). I have all of the color options set to Auto in the player. What's the trick to make it go away and not lose HDR in the process?
Just a thought.

Only the other day I was reading up on reviews of films I own on BD Blu Ray to test my new AV/ Speakers and whilst reading up on Harry Potter and The half blood Prince a review had stated how some of the discs appear to come with a defect that showcases banding, but theirs did not. My disc however does have it in 3 scenes.

Could this be that you potentially have a poorly produced disc?
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Just a thought.

Only the other day I was reading up on reviews of films I own on BD Blu Ray to test my new AV/ Speakers and whilst reading up on Harry Potter and The half blood Prince a review had stated how some of the discs appear to come with a defect that showcases banding, but theirs did not. My disc however does have it in 3 scenes.

Could this be that you potentially have a poorly produced disc?
After turning off Deep Color in the player the banding issue has disappeared for me, but I am still not convinced that I didn't lose some color saturation in the process. As for a disc defect causing banding, well, that's a new one on me. The banding really should be a direct result of the encoding/decoding process and nothing more.

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I downloaded martian on mgo last night since no best buy around here will sell me the k8500.

Took me about an 2 hours to download the whole thing. This may sound blasphemous after what some of yall have said about the 4K blus... but I thought it looked really fantastic.

But the unanimous decision seems to be that 4k uhd takes a giant dump on it? Is it because some the mgo version might not have downrezzed 5k footage like the 4K blu and mgo has only 2k elements?

Based on the data we've seen with the mgo version being roughly 50 GB compared to the 4K Blu only using a double layer 66gb disc, it would seem that the bit rates aren't too far removed from each other.
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