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I tried on my Apple TV last night. I can try the on my app on my LG TV later and see if it's the same.



Does it actually play in HDR for you if you try one of the older episodes?


Season 1 triggers HDR on ATV4K, tested the intro scene to see how it looked (excellent).


The Grand Tour Seamen looked very good. A focus on the WCG and the vista shots were excellent.
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Season 1 triggers HDR on ATV4K, tested the intro scene to see how it looked (excellent).


The Grand Tour Seamen looked very good. A focus on the WCG and the vista shots were excellent.
I actually just looked against more closely. It’s actually only season, episode 1 that is not HDR for me. I tested episode 2 as well as seasons 2,3,4, and they are all playing in HDR.

Do you get season 1 episode 1 in HDR?
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I actually just looked against more closely. It’s actually only season, episode 1 that is not HDR for me. I tested episode 2 as well as seasons 2,3,4, and they are all playing in HDR.



Do you get season 1 episode 1 in HDR?


Yes, that is what I was referring to with episode one. Amazon has really fudged up the 4K HDR listings however so you may need to find it in another entry/listing.
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Is 6 Underground still being confirmed to being in 4K? i seen people on another website saying it was only 1080P HDR.

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Is 6 Underground still being confirmed to being in 4K? i seen people on another website saying it was only 1080P HDR.


Still shows as 4K DV on ATV4K...
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Watched 6 Underground. This movie is bananas and bananas are good. This is one of the best looking movies I’ve seen in recent memory. The DV is outstanding. Over the top fun.
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On the prime app, you can navigate from one season to another in the same format without having to search individual seasons and ending up on the wrong format. This is what i did, added S4 4K/UHD of the Expanse to my list from the tvwatcher app and then went to the top to Select seasons and then S1.

I had watched all 3 seasons already in 4K so now skimming through them again from start and man the HDR on this does not disappoint. Even the resolution and dept seems better, everything looks excellent and much better than the SDR version. And you can tell even back then they did amazing with production values and outer space CGI with limited budget... there's nothing thatll pull you out of the experience, only the opposite. All the sets looks even more authentic and real and make the future come alive. And I may have made this distinction in the past but this is the closest thing to DEAD SPACE we'll ever see in live action. I got through 7 episodes of S1 in couple of hours last night and will eventually get to the new season and have much more engagement going in the new season.

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On the prime app, you can navigate from one season to another in the same format without having to search individual seasons and ending up on the wrong format. This is what i did, added S4 4K/UHD of the Expanse to my list from the tvwatcher app and then went to the top to Select seasons and then S1.

I had watched all 3 seasons already in 4K so now skimming through them again from start and man the HDR on this does not disappoint. Even the resolution and dept seems better, everything looks excellent and much better than the SDR version. And you can tell even back then they did amazing with production values and outer space CGI with limited budget... there's nothing thatll pull you out of the experience, only the opposite. All the sets looks even more authentic and real and make the future come alive. And I may have made this distinction in the past but this is the closest thing to DEAD SPACE we'll ever see in live action. I got through 7 episodes of S1 in couple of hours last night and will eventually get to the new season and have much more engagement going in the new season.
I start this one tonight after finally finishing "Game of Thrones". Can't wait!

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Remember, Amazon has the world's worst UI for streaming.



If you watch "The Expanse", it will be SDR. It will never, EVER "come up" in anything over than SDR.



You need to manually change away from "The Expanse", and find a DIFFERENT TITLE called ""The Expanse (4K UHD)", and watch that title instead.



Amazon's system cannot and will not detect the capabilities of your TV. You have to do it all yourself, manually, every time.



Everyone else can manage this automatically, but not Amazon; they are only a small company with very few resources, so this massive flaw is completely understandable.



EDIT: Sorry, I wrote that thinking it was a UI misunderstanding. I can't find HDR versions anywhere; looks like the "4K UHD" versions are still SDR.

Amazon UK has Seasons 1, 2, 3 as either normal or "4K UHD" versions. These are 4K resolution SDR.

Season 4 as non-"4K UHD" only.

No trace of HDR in any of seasons 1, 2, 3, 4 here.
I watched all of Season 4 between thursday night and saturday night. Every episode was in HDr. From the multiple devices I used. Roku Ultra, FireTv Stick+, Shield TV, and the Sony X800.

No idea about the previous seasons though since I only looked at the new season of The Expanse.

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6 underground looks good. Everything cranked up to 11.
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Agreed @drewTT, looks and sounds great with some good LFE.
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It Chapter 2 looked and sounded tops.
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The 1st hour i felt was kind of hard to follow, i really could barely figure out what was going on and why it was happening lol

but the last hour was well worth it. The major scene in the tall building as well as the Yacht made it well worth it.
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Season 2 of the Expanse really kicks the PQ a few notches up... its reference quality and the WCG is insane here. Cant wait to get to S4.

The Mandolorian stays the same 6 episodes in despite many complains and criticism.
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Season 2 of the Expanse really kicks the PQ a few notches up... its reference quality and the WCG is insane here. Cant wait to get to S4.

The Mandolorian stays the same 6 episodes in despite many complains and criticism.


But I don’t find the Mandalorian to be bad at all so haters can stuff it
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The Mandalorian Chapter 6 is the worst "HDR" I've ever seen. Clearly, the show is not actually HDR, but they really screwed it up badly for Chapter 6. I think I'm gonna start watching this show in SDR instead.
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The Mandalorian Chapter 6 is the worst "HDR" I've ever seen. Clearly, the show is not actually HDR, but they really screwed it up badly for Chapter 6. I think I'm gonna start watching this show in SDR instead.
I thought the ch. 1-4 were decent and ch. 5-6 not so great. But yes, ppl are moving toward SDR.
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Not sure who these people are moving towards SDR with The Mandalorian. Here's a post clearly showing the HDR is superior.

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Not sure who these people are moving towards SDR with The Mandalorian. Here's a post clearly showing the HDR is superior.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/184-v...l#post58879000
Vincent Teoh took Geoffs screenshots and put the SDR version into his Divinci software and was able to just simply pull down the tone curve and literally all of the "HDR highlights" appeared in the SDR version. Basically you can manipulate the SDR with your settings at home too and have it look almost identical to the HDR version. Basically, a quick conversion and a crappy HDR grade will look nearly identical so its hard to know exactly which is being used. Vincent thinks that the drastically lower APL of the HDR version hints more towards a quick conversion pulling the tone curve down. The fact that its impossible to know which is which is a little alarming cause then people can just claim director intent for a "safety umbrella" for why its so dull and muted. The service is cheap so its hard to complain if it is fake as long as it looks decent. I really hope theres no fake HDR going on though with physical releases as we pay a hefty premium for those out of pocket.

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Vincent Teoh took Geoffs screenshots and put the SDR version into his Divinci software and was able to just simply pull down the tone curve and literally all of the "HDR highlights" appeared in the SDR version. Basically you can manipulate the SDR with your settings at home too and have it look almost identical to the HDR version. Basically, a quick conversion and a crappy HDR grade will look nearly identical so its hard to know exactly which is being used. Vincent thinks that the drastically lower APL of the HDR version hints more towards a quick conversion pulling the tone curve down. The fact that its impossible to know which is which is a little alarming cause then people can just claim director intent for a "safety umbrella" for why its so dull and muted. The service is cheap so its hard to complain if it is fake as long as it looks decent. I really hope theres no fake HDR going on though with physical releases as we pay a hefty premium for those out of pocket.
I think a lot of this is viewer expectation.

This was also posted in regards to The Mandalorian:

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I think a lot of this is viewer expectation.

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That sentiment was also echoed by colorist/finishing artist Charles Bunnag who was actually part of the color team on the series that
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That's interesting thanks for sharing.

Still doesn't explain why SDR curve can be changed manually and get almost identical results to the HDR version.

Not to mention it seems almost all of the new hdr content dropped on Disney+ follow a similar path. Are grading everything for Disney+? I sure wouldn't want those guys anywhere near a blockbuster movie or a famous catalog movie that gets an HDR remaster. Last time I checked, people don't defend director intent when things such as heavy DNR and other unpopular stylistic choices are made. I think raising questions about the grading procedure and intent are valid,especially when you've got people preferring SDR versions.
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I think it's also important to consider beyond just specific peak frames when comparing to the SDR version.

Take this one frame with highlights and manipulate the curve to get a similar result to that frame, but what about the surrounding frames?

For example, an explosion on screen. Take the frame at the brightest part of the explosion and manipulate the curve to bring out the same highlights as the HDR version, but where does that leave the rest of the scene before the explosion happened?

Remember, the entire scene is being graded and it's in motion. So, while you may be able to push a specific frame to get similar results with the HDR, how you transition into and out that frame is just as important and there may be cases where trying to hit the "HDR like" look in SDR would result in an inconsistent grading that's not very pleasing to watch.

You start the scene without many highlights and you have an overall higher APL to bring out the shadow detail due to lack of dynamic range and then a bright flash happens on the screen. In order to bring the curves down so the highlights aren't blown out, there may be elements of the picture that don't match the APL of the previous scenes.

So, it's not sufficient to prove that you can make an SDR scene with bright elements match the HDR scene. You basically have to do the same with the rest of the frames too.
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So I watched all of the Star Wars movies in HDR except for episode 1 and 2, and this is how I would rank and score their HDR:


The Force Awakens - 87
Rogue One - 82
SOLO - 63
Revenge of the Sith - 57
The Empire Strikes Back - 55
A New Hope - 46
Return of the Jedi - 42
The Last Jedi - 39

So yeah, the only ones really worth anything HDR wise are Force Awakens and Rogue One. Hopefully since JJ is doing the new one it will be more like TFA than TLJ picture wise.

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Not sure who these people are moving towards SDR with The Mandalorian. Here's a post clearly showing the HDR is superior.

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I don't see how the SDR could be better. The HDR version seems to hit highlights of brighter nits than SDR would have.
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Yeah the Mandalorian isn't particularly impressive, but it is better than SDR
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Agreed @ray0414, as I am glad that they filled in the story as it went, and a great watch with some fun action scenes for sure.
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Undergroung 6 is Michael Bay on steroids. Thats also goes for its HDR and WCG. It's all ridiculous in an excessive glorious way.
Finished watching this last night. Awesome hdr, colors and lens flares galore lol
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So I watched all of the Star Wars movies in HDR except for episode 1 and 2, and this is how I would rank and score their HDR:


The Force Awakens - 87
Rogue One - 82
SOLO - 63
Revenge of the Sith - 57
The Empire Strikes Back - 55
A New Hope - 46
Return of the Jedi - 42
The Last Jedi - 39

So yeah, the only ones really worth anything HDR wise are Force Awakens and Rogue One. Hopefully since JJ is doing the new one it will be more like TFA than TLJ picture wise.
I've only seen 5 of them now and the newer ones seem more impressive to me in 4k HDR than the older ones. The last one I saw was "A New Hope" and I wasn't particularly impressed with the video quality. I have been more impressed with the Atmos audio on these titles though. I'm waiting for all episodes of "Mandalorian" to be available before watching. I'm currently watching the latest season of "The Expanse" so probably after this one I can start on "Mandalorian"?
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