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ray0414 11-11-2015 06:22 PM

Master List of currently available 4k HDR titles, will be updated often.
 
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4k Blu rays are here, and HDR content is slowly trickling out to various streaming sites as well. And theres really no way to get updated on what gets added, so I decided to make a master list, that along with all you guys, we can keep track of what is available and where to get it from.

So whenever something new is added, post it up in here, and I'll edit this 1st post to reflect the newly added HDR content! And when something new is added, I will bold it in RED so it's easier to see.

-You can also post your expressions and opinions on whether or not something is worth checking out or worth spending your money on, because in the beginning its going to be fairly expensive ($25-$30 per movie, or a subscription based service.)


-Regarding UHD BD movies, Feel free to post info though about titles being released if you hear anything, I will add it into the main library when we can actually buy/pre-order them at stores. Fox has already announced that all future releases will be in 4k HDR, looks like sony is going to do the same also as they are starting to release a bunch of remasters in HDR.




Lets get this list started, hopefully will be adding more soon!!! As soon as Netflix or any other streaming site is created, we'll add that too!


*****note: you must have a 2015 HDR capable tv/ or a samsung with the sek3500 upgrade in order to decode and display HDR content. How your tv displays the HDR contents is dependent on your tv panels capabilities (dimming, nits, color space size).

****Early HDR grades is basically practice, as they get get more practice, content will be graded more efficiently.


Do I have an HDR TV??? This article has a list of currently available HDR tvs

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/286-l...l#post41714961


Where to watch HDR content/What sources support HDR playback??

Heres an article with a great summary of what streaming and physical sources support HDR.

https://www.consumerreports.org/lcd-...tent-with-hdr/ NEW



4k UHD BLU RAY

Some UHD BD's are redeeming UHD digital codes. For now, certain streaming sites are tied to a certain studio. for example:

vudu = warner brothers
sony= ultra
fox = MGO (but does not redeem UHD)

I will note next to the UHD BD if there is a UHD redeemable code, but only for titles that are available to purchase now


How to Redeem Your Code and Where? Check out this NEW thread for those answers as it can get complicating about where/how to redeem!


REDEEMING Thread

For Better Organization, I made the lists into Spoilers, so click the spoiler to see the full lists of each category!



Current MASTER LIST of 4k Blu rays, there's ALOT!!!


https://hd-report.com/list-of-4k-ult...y-disc-titles/

Coming Soon/Announced:
Spoiler!


Available NOW:


I've added a red * in front of movies i find to be reference, in either resolution, HDR, or BOTH. These movies IMO are a great starting point in building a 4k UHD collection!! These are my personal PQ favorites!

I'm adding a new list from another website that gets updated more often. It will list whether its from a 2k/4k master, if it has Atmos/dtsX, and whether or not it has DV or just HDR10.

https://stack.com.au/film-tv/stack-4...cations-guide/ NEW

Spoiler!

IMAX/Documentaries:

Available NOW:
Spoiler!



Which movies are coming from true 4K masters?
Some of these movies are upscaled from 2k masters, some look good, some are average. For some lists that document the movies/shows from true 4k masters, check these out!

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=270798

http://referencehometheater.com/ultr...ay-title-info/

http://realorfake4k.com/

where to rent uhd discs?

it looks like 3d blu ray rental is gonna offer uhd discs too. Prices are 3.99-7.99 or have a plan.

Seems like a pretty decent price compared to a full purchase!




http://www.store-3d-blurayrental.com...ory-s/1868.htm


FandangoNOW (formerly MGO and currently samsung based).


**In order to view the MGO/fandangoNOW movies, you must purchase a vidity enabled hard drive, and then download the movie to the drive. The drive will come with Exodus and Mazerunner part 1 in 4k HDR, these 2 are early grades are not considered to be reference material for HDR. movies are 70-90 gigs and take 4-15 hours to download depending on internet speed. Link to purchase W.D. passport drive:


http://www.amazon.com/Western-Digita...my+passport+4k

UPDATE DECEMBER 17th, 2015: It appears that MGO/fandagoNOW is now available through the ROKU 4, making it available now to all other tv brands besides samsung. However, because the roku 4 is NOT currently HDR capable, the HDR movies with the vidity spec are not yet available. An HDR update to the ROKU 4 is still possible says ROKU. Also, if mgo has opened up to roku, it means that MGO could be coming to other tv brands soon via the built in app system on those tvs. stay tuned for MGO updates on brand expansion!



** to get the best audio that MGO offers, bring up the time stamp while watching the movie, scroll over to the right and click on the globe icon, dolby digital will be activated
Spoiler!


Amazon Prime Video

TV SHOWS see post #2 for how to find the HDR material on amazon

All amazon is hdr10, some also are dolby vision, which are noted.

Spoiler!

MOVIES

(As of late June 2016, some movies are now in Dolby Vision in addition ti hdr10, which requires a Dolby Vision tv)


Spoiler!


VUDU (Dolby Vision only for right now, Vizio R, Vizio P, LG 2016 tvs)

*if you have a roku 4 or any vizio built in app, these titles are available to all brands in regular UHD with 10 bit color and dolby atmos

*it appears that dolby atmos sound has been added to a bunch of titles, check the info on the website to make sure which ones have it.
Spoiler!





DOWNLOADABLE CONTENT: In order to view content you download, you simply download them to your computer and then put them on a USB drive and plug into your tv.


LG OLED HDR DEMOS NEW

Included in this file is 2 Dolby Vision HDR demos, along with 5 HDR10 demos, all are reference quality and HIGHLY recommended!!!

In order for these to work, after you complete the download, you must go into the file properties, and change the file name from .lge to .mkv, files won't work without doing this.

https://mega.nz/#F!aBAGBJBb!vGOiLiLo9HT7fBA1qww3-Q




TOM ROPER: AVS members' personally made SMPTE HDR videos

Fireworks HDR, 12 minutes long, 3.5GigNEW

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7w...hkaXZ2MHM/view

12second preview of Fireworks HDR demo
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7w...VOZ3dpZGM/view

Colorado Scenerie
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7w...NTeWdxRVk/view

Random HDR test Footage

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9p...FYcUJiaWs/view (25 second test clip)


4K VIDEO CABLE LABS.COM

This is a host site. These are free for everyone. People/companies can shoot and create their own HDR videos and host them here. Click on the link, and on the lower right side of the screen you will find download links that are highlighted in RED, click the link that says 4K DOWNLOAD HDR. If you click on "home" itll take you to the main page where you can find a few more UHD videos (regular UHD).

SWIPE: An HDR demo that swipes with an SDR version across the screen

http://fourkay.cablelabs.com/video/wipe-of-sdr-vs-hdr/


SWIPE (HDR ONLY, SDR SWIPES REMOVED FROM VIDEO)

http://fourkay.cablelabs.com/video/wipe-hdr-only/

Colorado ELdorado HDR

http://fourkay.cablelabs.com/video/eldorado/

Life Untouched HDR

http://fourkay.cablelabs.com/video/life-untouched/


Rogers Cable Company (SE canada)




EDIT (APRIL 8TH 2016): Rogers has delayed HDR sports until 2018. Games will continue to be in 4k resolution and look excellent.


NETFLIX Dolby Vision and HDR10


FULL MASTER LIST HERE: (HDR is indicated in the list)

https://hd-report.com/list-of-4k-ult...ws-on-netflix/


AVAILABLE NOW: check your device compatibility


- Chasing Coral
- The Defenders
- Death Note
- Firechasers
- Naked
- Mindhunter
- 1st They Killed my Father
- Our Souls at Night
- Friends From College
- Glow
- Okja
- Blame!
- War Machine
- Pee Wees Big Holiday
- The Siege of Jadotville
- Sandy Wexler
- Girl Boss
- Iron Fist
- Samurai Gourmet
- Cosmis Laundromat
- Chefs Table Season 3 only
- Abstract
- Sparks (3 minute demo)
- Santa Claira Diet
- Luke Cage
- Knights of Sidonia 2 seasons ANIME
- Jessica Jones
- DareDevil season 1&2
- The OA
- Meridian
- Hibana Spark
- Chefs Table France
- Marco Polo season 1 DV/HDR10
- The Do-Over HDR10 and DV
- The Ridiculous 6 DV/hdr10
- Marco Polo season 2 DV/hdr10
- Marco Polo: one hundred eyes dv/hdr10


Announced/Coming Soon:


A Series of Unfortunate Events ( looks unlikely)
Bloodline (possibly season 3 in may, stay tuned)
Marvel’s The Defenders


ULTRA (New Sony streaming app, only on SONY Tvs!)
Spoiler!



Kaleidescape Strato

This an external download box. Movies can be purchased for download. Follow the link for the list of movies!

https://store.kaleidescape.com/collection/4k_hdr



ULTRAFLIX (spring/summer 2016)



YOUTUBE

As of November 7th, 2016, youtube now carries HDR videos. However, youtube requires VP9 2.0 for HDR, which is only available on SOME 2016 tvs and some external devices. Currenly, only the newest google Chromecast can access YTHDR.

Youtube Playlists: NEW

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...kzU2XEfXl9Fe8I NEW

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...gprtDeY8WDa8YX

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCve...GBI5t9g/videos

What is HDR? How does HDR improve the picture? Why should you want HDR? Explained here in a "reference" article! NEW


A very great and detailed article on HDR from back in March 2015 I believe. It is around 16 pages long from a magazine and has comparison pictures from "Amazing Spiderman 2", "blacklist" and "Annie".

Theres an interview where they talk about the differences in 10 bit, 12 bit etc,

This is the type of link that you will want to bookmark for future references on HDR.



https://pro.sony.com/bbsccms/assets/..._explained.pdf



HDR External Streaming Devices

- Samsung 4k blu ray player K8500 (amazon HDR)
- Nvidia Shield (netflix HDR)
- XBOX 1 S (netflix HDR )
- Roku 5 Ultra
- Roku 5 PREMIER+
- Pansonic UB900
- chromecast Ultra



COMCAST: NEW

If you have access to the comcast XFINITY app, they will be offering the opening and closing ceremonies of the RIO OLYMPICS in 4k HDR. As of right now, only Samsung and LG tvs have access to this app.

ray0414 11-11-2015 06:25 PM

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UPDATE: Amazon finally improves and changes the UI for UHD


updated UI from amazon, theyve made it very easy to switch between the diffferent UHD sections. see pictures below!

1. Locate UHD section on main Amazon page.

http://i.imgur.com/ZFvl4cH.jpg

2. Enter UHD section. Now you have 4 different sections to choose from.

http://i.imgur.com/gYJLVDh.jpg

3. After choosing a section, you can locate if a movie or show is HDR by the HDR icon in the title info as seen here. Some will say "vision" for Dolby Vision, or "HDR" for regular HDR10. the HDR icon is located between the Age rating and SUBTITLE options.

http://i.imgur.com/crQ9wfa.jpg

4. To make sure you clicked an HDR movie/show, you can hit PAUSE at any time and there will be an HDR icon near the pause bar as shown in the following picture: (it is common for the resolution on amazon to change from 1080p to UHD throughout your show, as shown in this picture on the time bar)

http://i.imgur.com/xNf7mN7.jpg





HOW TO FIND HDR CONTENT ON AMAZON.


There is a lot of confusion about how to access HDR content on amazon. Amazon around november 20th revamped their UI and IMO for the worse. It now makes it extremely difficult to find the UHD material, and its even more trickier to find the HDR content.

If you do not go directly to the UHD section, your tv will play the show in only HD/1080P.

to find the HDR tv shows/movies. simply scroll all the way down to the bottom of the categories. There will be a section called "Ultra HD movies" and "Ultra HD TV shows". You MUST go to these specific categories to see any UHD or HDR stuff.

Next, if you want to find the "HDR Badge" to make sure what you are about to watch is indeed HDR, follow these next directions. **you will NOT see any type of HDR badges during playback, it is only in the movie info**


-scroll down to UHD tv section (see picture)
-click on tv show
-instead of clicking "watch now", scroll to the left and click on the episode name, this will send you into expanded info. (highlighted in yellow in picture)
-here, you will see the HDR badge right next to "CC", and "5.1" (see picture)

Unfortunately, this is the only way to know if what you are watching on amazon is in HDR. if you do not have an HDR tv, you will not see an HDR badge. Hopefully amazon in the future will make it easier to find HDR stuff.

denpom 11-11-2015 07:14 PM

i'm pretty sure the full season of The Man in the High Castle (Amazon Prime) should be in HDR. the pilot was in HDR, however, since they updated the preview with the 2nd episode, both episodes are showing in regular 4K. hopefully it's still HDR once released November 20th.

great thread!

ray0414 11-11-2015 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by denpom (Post 38854905)
i'm pretty sure the full season of The Man in the High Castle (Amazon Prime) should be in HDR. the pilot was in HDR, however, since they updated the preview with the 2nd episode, both episodes are showing in regular 4K. hopefully it's still HDR once released November 20th.

great thread!


U know I checked that a few times and I never seen the hdr tag in the movie info. Definitely keep an eye on it and see what happens!

chunon 11-12-2015 04:32 AM

Great thread, I watched Man in the High Castle(Great show btw) and only saw it as 4k, would look nice in HDR I am sure.

jnnt29 11-12-2015 05:05 AM

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Great idea to create a resource to find these movies and shows. Thank you

tsummerall 11-12-2015 08:28 AM

Thanks for the list!

How do you play the 3D demos? Do we need to download them to a USB stick and plug them into the TV or can a smart TV play an mp4 file directly in some way?

ray0414 11-12-2015 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by tsummerall (Post 38865481)
Thanks for the list!

How do you play the 3D demos? Do we need to download them to a USB stick and plug them into the TV or can a smart TV play an mp4 file directly in some way?


No problem!

The links I provided from the demo 3d site are all HDR demos, so yes you download them and then put them on a USB drive.


I believe that site tho does offer actual 3d clips if your interested, there's a category bar on the left side on the main page of demo3d.

alexanderg823 11-12-2015 09:14 AM

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Pretty garbage offerings so far, although I have purchased Amazing Spider Man 2, Fury, and After Earth. Seen enough of the tech to know it's good and will restrain myself from purchasing any more junk movies just to check out the picture quality.


Will be nice once Amazon starts offering new releases on digital in 4K w/HDR. Would buy the new Mission Impossible in a heart beat.

ray0414 11-12-2015 09:19 AM

Ultraflix went live on Samsung Tvs this morning. Waiting for confirmation from Sony crowd and lg that they also received the update.

Appears to only be 4k right now, but theyve already stated they want to have the largest hdr library as well.

ray0414 11-12-2015 09:07 PM

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I decided to bite the bullet on Smurfs 2 on amazon to see how the HDR grade was, ive checked out the 4k version on netflix a few times, so i had an idea of how the regular 4k version looked. the Amazon HDR version EASILY trumps the 4k netflix version. the expanded colors create an entirely different picture with crazy depth to it. Not to mention, Smurfs2 has one of the best resolution grades so unlike alot of other "4k" films, smurfs 2 actually looks like real 4k and with the HDR grades, creates quite an amazing. Definitely the closest to "reference quality" as far as 4k HDR that i have seen.

just for fun i did match up a few scenes with some pictures I had previously taken with the 4k version on netflix. I do see HDR becoming a very expensive hobby once the big name titles start to arrive!

CCsoftball7 11-13-2015 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by alexanderg823 (Post 38867041)
Pretty garbage offerings so far, although I have purchased Amazing Spider Man 2, Fury, and After Earth. Seen enough of the tech to know it's good and will restrain myself from purchasing any more junk movies just to check out the picture quality.


Will be nice once Amazon starts offering new releases on digital in 4K w/HDR. Would buy the new Mission Impossible in a heart beat.

Have you watched Bosch? It's a great show.

CCsoftball7 11-13-2015 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by ray0414 (Post 38853641)

VUDU (Dolby Vision only for right now)


- Man of Steel
- Edge of Tomorrow
- The Lego Movie
- Jupiter Ascending
- Magic Mike XXL
- Sherlock Holmes
- Sherlock Holmes 2
- San Andreas
- Focus
- The Great Gatsby
- Run All Night
- Into the Storm

How did you determine this? I don't see any flags on the Vudu website. Thank you!

alexanderg823 11-13-2015 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by CCsoftball7 (Post 38891081)
Have you watched Bosch? It's a great show.

Nah, the HDR on it is really screwed up and I can't even get the regular 4K versions of it, so I'll just wait until it gets sorted out.


I checked out the show Z about Zelda fitzgerald last night.


The show didn't really tickle my fancy, but oh my god the picture was stunning. Might have been the most impressive 4K video/movie content I've seen to date.


You can really see the difference in the shots of the sky where it's bright as hell but not blown out at all.


That good girls revolt show is total garbage all around, picture quality looked dull and the show was awful.

ray0414 11-13-2015 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by CCsoftball7 (Post 38892793)
How did you determine this? I don't see any flags on the Vudu website. Thank you!


Only the vizio R can see the flags. Multiple articles from a few weeks ago confirmed these were their dolby vision 1st releases.


EDIT: I think what your looking for is the vudu uhd website, because the regular vudu site doesn't mention uhd or hdr.

Lots of info here:


Www.watchvudu.com/uhd

nathan_h 11-13-2015 09:50 AM

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It may be out of scope for this thread, but it would be cool to list the hardware platforms that support each category (e.g., under vudu note that it's only supported on Vizio R tvs, etc.)?

ray0414 11-13-2015 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by nathan_h (Post 38893873)
It may be out of scope for this thread, but it would be cool to list the hardware platforms that support each category (e.g., under vudu note that it's only supported on Vizio R tvs, etc.)?


Ill see what I can do without making the list itself look sloppy or too complicated.

King Richard 11-13-2015 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by alexanderg823 (Post 38867041)
Pretty garbage offerings so far... will restrain myself from purchasing any more junk movies just to check out the picture quality.


I respectfully disagree.

Yes I agree there are quite a few shows/movies on these lists that probably do not need to be in HDR (as they are/were not that good), however, I did see quite a few shows/movies that I would consider excellent choices.

(e.g. Life of Pi, Exodus, X-Men, Kinsmen, Into the Storm (for the effects and visuals), and more...)

Richard

Tom Roper 11-14-2015 08:57 PM

Hi Ray,

Please consider adding my 3 minute 4K HDR demo reel to the master list. Here is the link to it.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7w...ew?usp=sharing

Everyone, please enjoy.

Thank You,
Tom

CMPOLED 11-15-2015 08:10 AM

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When Amazon first came out with HDR I could see a big difference, they have done something to mess it up and now it looks worse than the 4K non-HDR versions. I don't think Amazon HDR is close to what we will see on the HDR Bluray players coming out and hope Netflix does a better job than Amazon. I have a LG oled but before I sold my JS9500 the HDR which looked amazing at first from Amazon, looked horrible just as it does on the OLED. MGO was far superior and is the in thing I miss about owning a Samsung 4K set.

Z: the beginning of Everything looks excellent. Why can't Amazon do the with all HDR offerings?

chunon 11-15-2015 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom Roper (Post 38930689)
Hi Ray,

Please consider adding my 3 minute 4K HDR demo reel to the master list. Here is the link to it.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7w...ew?usp=sharing

Everyone, please enjoy.

Thank You,
Tom


Stunning video Tom thanks for sharing :)

denpom 11-15-2015 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by CMPOLED (Post 38936945)
Z: the beginning of Everything looks excellent. Why can't Amazon do the with all HDR offerings?

it looks as good as ever and it's quite excellent, far from whatever you're describing. don't expect HDR miracles on OLED.

ray0414 11-15-2015 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CMPOLED (Post 38936945)
When Amazon first came out with HDR I could see a big difference, they have done something to mess it up and now it looks worse than the 4K non-HDR versions. I don't think Amazon HDR is close to what we will see on the HDR Bluray players coming out and hope Netflix does a better job than Amazon. I have a LG oled but before I sold my JS9500 the HDR which looked amazing at first from Amazon, looked horrible just as it does on the OLED. MGO was far superior and is the in thing I miss about owning a Samsung 4K set.

Z: the beginning of Everything looks excellent. Why can't Amazon do the with all HDR offerings?


You sure its not an issue with how LG has their HDR settings configured?

have you bought any of the amazon movies that are done by sony? i have i think 4 now, and they are definitely superior to MGO, in both resolution and the HDR color grading. the MGO stuff looks good, but it seems more like really good 1080P than 4k HDR. even pineapple express HDR has moments of briliant HDR work that looks awesome. the sony HDR movies have more "WOW" factor than the tv shows, but the tv shows to me still look pretty good.

I 100% agree though that 4k HDR discs are going to be the go-to for visual perfection.

ray0414 11-15-2015 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Roper (Post 38930689)
Hi Ray,

Please consider adding my 3 minute 4K HDR demo reel to the master list. Here is the link to it.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7w...ew?usp=sharing

Everyone, please enjoy.

Thank You,
Tom


Thanks Tom! I added a section for you in the list!

So far everyone who has seen it has loved it, im sure your a busy guy but any more HDR videos you make are welcome, we eagerly await more :)

alexanderg823 11-15-2015 11:13 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CMPOLED (Post 38936945)
When Amazon first came out with HDR I could see a big difference, they have done something to mess it up and now it looks worse than the 4K non-HDR versions. I don't think Amazon HDR is close to what we will see on the HDR Bluray players coming out and hope Netflix does a better job than Amazon. I have a LG oled but before I sold my JS9500 the HDR which looked amazing at first from Amazon, looked horrible just as it does on the OLED. MGO was far superior and is the in thing I miss about owning a Samsung 4K set.

Z: the beginning of Everything looks excellent. Why can't Amazon do the with all HDR offerings?


You sure its not an issue with how LG has their HDR settings configured?

have you bought any of the amazon movies that are done by sony? i have i think 4 now, and they are definitely superior to MGO, in both resolution and the HDR color grading. the MGO stuff looks good, but it seems more like really good 1080P than 4k HDR. even pineapple express HDR has moments of briliant HDR work that looks awesome. the sony HDR movies have more "WOW" factor than the tv shows, but the tv shows to me still look pretty good.

I 100% agree though that 4k HDR discs are going to be the go-to for visual perfection.

Considering the mgo stuff is nearing 100 gb in size, its safe to guess that they are probably the same exact files as what will be placed on 4k blu Ray discs given their size limitations.

alexanderg823 11-15-2015 11:19 AM

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Quality issues are foxs fault since that's all that is on mgo.

Incidentally, all the "wow" stuff is a different studio - Sony.

I think there's going to be a wide range of quality of HDR content as studios experiment with grading techniques and styles, especially here at the beginning. And of course it's also worth remembering that like 90% of content out there was mastered at 2K. Hell, Jurassic world had a DI of 2k so there will never be a 4k version of it.

Sony stuff has the benefit of the company moving to a 4k pipeline years ago, so their content looking better is probably the result of good foresight and more experience with the new tech

ray0414 11-15-2015 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by alexanderg823 (Post 38941465)
Considering the mgo stuff is nearing 100 gb in size, its safe to guess that they are probably the same exact files as what will be placed on 4k blu Ray discs given their size limitations.


somebody just 2 days ago posted in one of the HDR threads in the news section that they were able to take those files and completely break them down on their computer, they posted a screen shot and apparently the file contains a 4k version, a 1080P version, a 720p version and a SD version. it also breaks down the sizes of each, and apparently the 4k hdr version of mazerunner ( i think that was the example), is actually only 35G.

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexanderg823 (Post 38941593)
Quality issues are foxs fault since that's all that is on mgo.

Incidentally, all the "wow" stuff is a different studio - Sony.

I think there's going to be a wide range of quality of HDR content as studios experiment with grading techniques and styles, especially here at the beginning. And of course it's also worth remembering that like 90% of content out there was mastered at 2K. Hell, Jurassic world had a DI of 2k so there will never be a 4k version of it.

Sony stuff has the benefit of the company moving to a 4k pipeline years ago, so their content looking better is probably the result of good foresight and more experience with the new tech


i agree, fox is not doing a good job and SONY seems to know what they are doing. I prefer the quality of all the sony HDR stuff ive seen.

Tom Roper's HDR video is better than MGO! I actually seen alot of similarities between Toms video and After Earth HDR (sony).

Darkknightman 11-15-2015 11:36 AM

Great thread. Will be checking this daily

alexanderg823 11-15-2015 11:38 AM

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That's really interesting about the mgo stuff having multiple files. Seems a little ridiculous and unnecessary so I'm not quite sure what the deal is with that.

Nevertheless, 35 gb for a 4k movie is still bigger than the amazon movies with their relatively low bitrates (and better quality at that), so I'd still say fox and not mgo is to blame. Also I think exodus might be the only movie on mgo that is true 4k. The rest are 2k DIs that will never be in 4k.

ray0414 11-15-2015 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by alexanderg823 (Post 38942081)
That's really interesting about the mgo stuff having multiple files. Seems a little ridiculous and unnecessary so I'm not quite sure what the deal is with that.

Nevertheless, 35 gb for a 4k movie is still bigger than the amazon movies with their relatively low bitrates (and better quality at that), so I'd still say fox and not mgo is to blame. Also I think exodus might be the only movie on mgo that is true 4k. The rest are 2k DIs that will never be in 4k.


fox doesnt produce great movies anyways. so its a good thing that sony (who does produce good movies) is very good at the entire HDR process. hopefully the other studios (paramount, universal, disney) are in sonys league and not foxs' league.

alexanderg823 11-15-2015 01:21 PM

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That's really interesting about the mgo stuff having multiple files. Seems a little ridiculous and unnecessary so I'm not quite sure what the deal is with that.

Nevertheless, 35 gb for a 4k movie is still bigger than the amazon movies with their relatively low bitrates (and better quality at that), so I'd still say fox and not mgo is to blame. Also I think exodus might be the only movie on mgo that is true 4k. The rest are 2k DIs that will never be in 4k.


fox doesnt produce great movies anyways. so its a good thing that sony (who does produce good movies) is very good at the entire HDR process. hopefully the other studios (paramount, universal, disney) are in sonys league and not foxs' league.


You may be a little disappointed then, because Sony is the only studio with a bunch of 4k content. Of this year's major releases the new star wars is the only non Sony picture with an above 2k DI.

Jurassic world, avengers, mission impossible - all 2K.

nathan_h 11-15-2015 02:21 PM

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fox doesnt produce great movies anyways.

You may not like them, but I think some are popular and or good:

The Martian
Kingsmen: The Secret Service
Night at the Museum Series
Taken series
Book of Life
Gone Girl
Maze Runner series
Rio series
Book Thief
12 Years a Slave
The Die Hard series
Prometheus
Alien series
Avatar series
How to Train Your Dragon series
Madagascar series
Puss In Boots series
Planet of the Apes series
Fantastic Four
Ice Age series
X-Men series
Kung Fu Panda series

chunon 11-15-2015 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by nathan_h (Post 38946017)
You may not like them, but I think some are popular and or good:

The Martian
Kingsmen: The Secret Service
Night at the Museum Series
Taken series
Book of Life
Gone Girl
Maze Runner series
Rio series
Book Thief
12 Years a Slave
The Die Hard series
Prometheus
Alien series
Avatar series
How to Train Your Dragon series
Madagascar series
Puss In Boots series
Planet of the Apes series
Fantastic Four
Ice Age series
X-Men series
Kung Fu Panda series

Defintely some good titles in there imo.

tsummerall 11-15-2015 02:36 PM

Sorry, what does "DI" stand for?

ray0414 11-15-2015 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by nathan_h (Post 38946017)
You may not like them, but I think some are popular and or good:

The Martian
Kingsmen: The Secret Service
Night at the Museum Series
Taken series
Book of Life
Gone Girl
Maze Runner series
Rio series
Book Thief
12 Years a Slave
The Die Hard series
Prometheus
Alien series
Avatar series
How to Train Your Dragon series
Madagascar series
Puss In Boots series
Planet of the Apes series
Fantastic Four
Ice Age series
X-Men series
Kung Fu Panda series


A few good ones, but are u sure on Martian and avatar? I'm gonna double check those?

Edit. Double checked and they are fox.

nathan_h 11-15-2015 02:54 PM

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Sorry, what does "DI" stand for?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_intermediate

ray0414 11-15-2015 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by nathan_h (Post 38946017)
You may not like them, but I think some are popular and or good:

The Martian
Kingsmen: The Secret Service
Night at the Museum Series
Taken series
Book of Life
Gone Girl
Maze Runner series
Rio series
Book Thief
12 Years a Slave
The Die Hard series
Prometheus
Alien series
Avatar series
How to Train Your Dragon series
Madagascar series
Puss In Boots series
Planet of the Apes series
Fantastic Four
Ice Age series
X-Men series
Kung Fu Panda series


Double checked and Martian and avatar do look like fox movies.

But my point is, of all the blockbuster movies in 2015, fox only had 1 of them (martian). They make good movies, but no great movies over the past 5 years. (Avatar is 2009).

Hopefully their lineup improves soon since they are fully on board the hdr train, and hopefully they get better at their hdr grading too!

ray0414 11-15-2015 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by alexanderg823 (Post 38944713)
You may be a little disappointed then, because Sony is the only studio with a bunch of 4k content. Of this year's major releases the new star wars is the only non Sony picture with an above 2k DI.

Jurassic world, avengers, mission impossible - all 2K.


Well the good news is that even tho they may have been filmed 2k, they used very good cameras in the process which would transfer into 4k I think very well, so I don't think that'll be a big issue. The newer the movie, the better/cleaner the transfer. Older movies don't clean up as good, yet a few of the sony hdr movies looked surprisingly good for their age. (Pineapple express wasn't bad at all for a 2008 movie).

alexanderg823 11-15-2015 03:29 PM

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You may be a little disappointed then, because Sony is the only studio with a bunch of 4k content. Of this year's major releases the new star wars is the only non Sony picture with an above 2k DI.

Jurassic world, avengers, mission impossible - all 2K.


Well the good news is that even tho they may have been filmed 2k, they used very good cameras in the process which would transfer into 4k I think very well, so I don't think that'll be a big issue. The newer the movie, the better/cleaner the transfer. Older movies don't clean up as good, yet a few of the sony hdr movies looked surprisingly good for their age. (Pineapple express wasn't bad at all for a 2008 movie).

That's not the point though. A film shot at 4k or higher will always look better at 4k than 1080p.

But this 2k DI problem is probably why some studios, such as fox, are trying to hard with HDR. Without it, there's basically no reason to buy their movies on 4k blu over regular blu Ray.

Latinoheat 11-15-2015 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ray0414 (Post 38943193)

fox doesnt produce great movies anyways.

We forgot, your a fan of the smurf movies.

ray0414 11-15-2015 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Latinoheat (Post 38948177)
We forgot, your a fan of the smurf movies.


The movie itself is not great. But visually it's the best movie available to date.

Latinoheat 11-15-2015 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ray0414 (Post 38948297)
The movie itself is not great. But visually it's the best movie available to date.

Yeah to you.

ray0414 11-15-2015 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Latinoheat (Post 38948353)
Yeah to you.


There is no 1080p movie that can match it in color/detail/resolution. I'm not talking entertainment factor, im talking pure picture quality/artistic visually.

So if you know of a 4k hdr movie that you consider to be reference quality I'd love to check it out as I'm sure others would too.

I wish we had better movies in 4k hdr but we can only judge the movies made available to us.


Just outta curiosity, which of the current availability hdr have you watched?

Latinoheat 11-15-2015 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ray0414 (Post 38948689)
There is no 1080p movie that can match it in color/detail/resolution.

So if you know of a 4k hdr movie that you consider to be reference quality I'd love to check it out as I'm sure others would too.

Yeah wait until the real deal is here with UHD bluray. Btw I rather watch a good 1080p movie than a 4K HDR smurf one, but that's just me.

ray0414 11-15-2015 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Latinoheat (Post 38949113)
Yeah wait until the real deal is here with UHD bluray. Btw I rather watch a good 1080p movie than a 4K HDR smurf one, but that's just me.


Im not exactly disagreeing with you. Obviously I'd much rather watch a 1080p version of say Furious 7, or mad max, or really any good blu ray movie. I'm just sayin, the quality of Smurfs 2 right now is in a different league quality wise and I'm hoping other movies follow that trend.

So to make the comment that I "like the Smurfs " is a pretty asinine and is an attack of a comment.

Latinoheat 11-15-2015 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ray0414 (Post 38949433)

So to make the comment that I "like the Smurfs " is a pretty asinine and is an attack of a comment.

Sorry you took it that way, I was just stating what I prefer watching between the smurfs or a good 1080p movie, just how you do in all these threads. I will wait until UHD bluray is here to enjoy uncompressed content. Nothing wrong with this thread, streaming fans can get their fix.

CMPOLED 11-15-2015 11:36 PM

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I do not even try and judge HDR on the OLED as LG has some messed up setting locked in. Only 2 of the free HDR shows are even watchable and I purchased Spider Man 2 which was just ok.

When Red Oaks first came out it was stunning, I watched the one episode three times. Months later when they released the full season the quality was not the same. This was on the same JS9500

ray0414 11-15-2015 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by CMPOLED (Post 38955977)
I do not even try and judge HDR on the OLED as LG has some messed up setting locked in. Only 2 of the free HDR shows are even watchable and I purchased Spider Man 2 which was just ok.

When Red Oaks first came out it was stunning, I watched the one episode three times. Months later when they released the full season the quality was not the same. This was on the same JS9500


Must have been some issue with your tv/settings/Internet connection. It's all been the same for me. As a matter of fact, the rest of the red oaks season looks alot better than the original pilot. It was filmed 6 months later and was pretty noticeable to me and a few others that the grading methods were improved. Had you been an avs member at that time we could have helped you figure out what was wrong or if anyone was experiencing the same thing.

ray0414 11-16-2015 11:36 AM

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NEW HDR TEST FOOTAGE, added to list.


Link provided by Nathan Cardinale, posted by someone on another forum.


This is a quick test footage found on another site, its only about 20-25 seconds long, but it does look pretty great, wish it was longer.


https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9p...FYcUJiaWs/view

DanBa 11-17-2015 10:58 AM

"Walmart's online VOD service Vudu now offers select Warner Bros. Home Entertainment title such as Mad Max: Fury Road in Dolby's new Dolby Vision high dynamic range (HDR) format and with Dolby Atmos sound.

Warner Bros.' 4K Ultra HD titles available in both Dolby Vision and Dolby Atmos will include Mad Max: Fury Road, The Man from U.N.C.L.E., The Gallows, San Andreas, American Sniper, Man of Steel, Jupiter Ascending, Edge of Tomorrow and Into the Storm.

Through Vudu, consumers also have access to select 4K Ultra HD titles in Dolby Vision only, including Vacation, Focus, Get Hard, Run All Night, The Lego Movie, The Great Gatsby, Sherlock Holmes, Sherlock Holmes: A Game of Shadows, The Hangover trilogy and Magic Mike XXL."
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/beh...-titles-840978

ray0414 11-17-2015 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by DanBa (Post 38999986)
"Walmart's online VOD service Vudu now offers select Warner Bros. Home Entertainment title such as Mad Max: Fury Road in Dolby's new Dolby Vision high dynamic range (HDR) format and with Dolby Atmos sound.

Warner Bros.' 4K Ultra HD titles available in both Dolby Vision and Dolby Atmos will include Mad Max: Fury Road, The Man from U.N.C.L.E., The Gallows, San Andreas, American Sniper, Man of Steel, Jupiter Ascending, Edge of Tomorrow and Into the Storm.

Through Vudu, consumers also have access to select 4K Ultra HD titles in Dolby Vision only, including Vacation, Focus, Get Hard, Run All Night, The Lego Movie, The Great Gatsby, Sherlock Holmes, Sherlock Holmes: A Game of Shadows, The Hangover trilogy and Magic Mike XXL."
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/beh...-titles-840978


Thanks for the article.

But this is a little frustrating. Vudu with dolby vision is by far offering the best stuff, which is only accessible on a tv that literally nobody owns. How do they plan to make any money?

CCsoftball7 11-17-2015 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by ray0414 (Post 39000458)
Thanks for the article.

But this is a little frustrating. Vudu with dolby vision is by far offering the best stuff, which is only accessible on a tv that literally nobody owns. How do they plan to make any money?

It could very well be vaporware at this point.

DanBa 11-17-2015 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ray0414 (Post 39000458)
But this is a little frustrating. Vudu with dolby vision is by far offering the best stuff, which is only accessible on a tv that literally nobody owns. How do they plan to make any money?

It is true for the time being.

But how about next year? Most 2016 UHDTV SoCs could be compatible with Dolby Vision and HDR10.

The following SoC makers are known to adopt Dolby Vision: Sigma Designs, MStar, Mediatek, Realtek, HiSilicon.
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-lc...l#post37223922
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/mst...ocs-2015-10-14

"The research firm’s connected home devices report, ‘The Impact of UHD of TV SoCs’, claims that while US-based Sigma Designs leads 4k TV silicon technology innovation, it is Taiwan’s MStar and Mediatek that drive volume."
http://www.digitaltveurope.net/39305...v-chip-market/

http://cdn.minipcdb.com/products/HiS...3798C-V200.jpg

nathan_h 11-17-2015 08:21 PM

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It is true for the time being.

But how about next year? Most 2016 UHDTV SoCs could be compatible with Dolby Vision and HDR10.

The following SoC makers are known to adopt Dolby Vision: Sigma Designs, MStar, Mediatek, Realtek, HiSilicon.
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-lc...l#post37223922
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/mst...ocs-2015-10-14

"The research firm’s connected home devices report, ‘The Impact of UHD of TV SoCs’, claims that while US-based Sigma Designs leads 4k TV silicon technology innovation, it is Taiwan’s MStar and Mediatek that drive volume."
http://www.digitaltveurope.net/39305...v-chip-market/

http://cdn.minipcdb.com/products/HiS...3798C-V200.jpg

There are a surprising number of HDR compatible display devices on the market already. Some Samsung, Sony, heck, even most of the new JVC projector line supports HDR10.

Vudu's "exclusive" use of Dolby Vision might delay adoption, since so far manufacturers have been reluctant to use the proprietary format, and are using the SMTPE open standard. Even the announced Sony UHD BR that include HDR are not using DV.

I hope you are right and that we see Vudu on more devices, supporting open standard HDR, in the near future. And i hope at least ONE of those devices supports downloads rather than just streaming, for those of us that have poor internet connections. Heck, that's why I still have a PS3.

ray0414 11-17-2015 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DanBa (Post 39008378)
It is true for the time being.

But how about next year? Most 2016 UHDTV SoCs could be compatible with Dolby Vision and HDR10.

The following SoC makers are known to adopt Dolby Vision: Sigma Designs, MStar, Mediatek, Realtek, HiSilicon.
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-lc...l#post37223922
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/mst...ocs-2015-10-14

"The research firm’s connected home devices report, ‘The Impact of UHD of TV SoCs’, claims that while US-based Sigma Designs leads 4k TV silicon technology innovation, it is Taiwan’s MStar and Mediatek that drive volume."
http://www.digitaltveurope.net/39305...v-chip-market/

http://cdn.minipcdb.com/products/HiS...3798C-V200.jpg



thanks for the link, ive been looking for that.

and yea the chip will be DV capable, but its up to the tv maker to pay for the rights to use it. There may be more DV sets in the spring, but im not expecting a whole lot. Theres articles from 2014 that state that TCL and sharpe and vizio were the only 3 to have signed with dolby. Still no official word or any concrete rumors of sony/samsung/LG jumping in that pool either.

Even if there are no other DV sets, it would be nice if Vudu would start having those titles available in the regular HDR format so that 99% of HDR tv owners could at least have the option of giving it a try.

ray0414 11-17-2015 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by nathan_h (Post 39015362)
There are a surprising number of HDR compatible display devices on the market already. Some Samsung, Sony, heck, even most of the new JVC projector line supports HDR10.

Vudu's "exclusive" use of Dolby Vision might delay adoption, since so far manufacturers have been reluctant to use the proprietary format, and are using the SMTPE open standard. Even the announced Sony UHD BR that include HDR are not using DV.

I hope you are right and that we see Vudu on more devices, supporting open standard HDR, in the near future. And i hope at least ONE of those devices supports downloads rather than just streaming, for those of us that have poor internet connections. Heck, that's why I still have a PS3.


I hope they offer a download section too. as with ultraflix, i dont like the 1 time rental thing.

as for having bad internet, if your internet is "bad", a download will take you possibly 2 days or more.

I have decent speed (i pay for 50, but usually get 25 in my tests), and when i download the MGO HDR movies, it takes anywhere from 10-15 hours. I am debating whether or not to buy a new modem, im using a 6-7 year old modem currently.

NicNacHermann 11-17-2015 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ray0414 (Post 38853641)
With 4k Blu Rays only a couple months away, HDR content is slowly trickling out to various streaming sites. And theres really no way to get updated on what gets added, so I decided to make a master list, that along with all you guys, we can keep track of what is available and where to get it from.

So whenever something new is added, post it up in here, and I'll edit this 1st post to reflect the newly added HDR content! And when something new is added, I will bold it in RED so it's easier to see.

-You can also post your expressions and opinions on whether or not something is worth checking out or worth spending your money on, because in the beginning its going to be fairly expensive ($25-$30 per movie, or a subscription based service.)


-I am going to wait before I officially add in any confirmed HDR blu rays until they are officially released and available for sale, hopefully in January just after CES 2016 (Las Vegas, January 6th-9th). Feel free to post info though about titles being released if you hear anything, I will add it into the main library when we can actually buy them at stores. Fox has already announced that all future releases will be in 4k HDR, looks like sony is going to do the same also as they are starting to release a bunch of remasters in HDR.




Lets get this list started, hopefully will be adding more soon!!! As soon as Netflix or any other streaming site is created, we'll add that too!


*****note: you must have a 2015 HDR capable tv/ or a samsung with the sek3500 upgrade in order to decode and display HDR content. How your tv displays the HDR contents is dependent on your tv panels capabilities (dimming, nits, color space size).

****Early HDR grades is basically practice, as they get get more practice, content will be graded more efficiently.




MGO (currently samsung based).


- Paper towns
- Me and Earl and the Dying Girl
- Xmen: Rogue cut
- Spy
- Poltergeist: Extended cut
- The Longest Ride
- Wild
- Exodus: Gods and Kings
- The Maze Runner
- Life of Pi
- Kingsmen: The Secret Service


Amazon Prime Video

TV SHOWS (the pilots are currently being rated/voted on, the top 3 I believe will be renewed with full seasons coming out next summer)

- Red Oaks (10 episodes)
- Transparent (10 episodes)
- Bosch (10 episodes)
- Mozart in the Jungle (10 episodes)
- Casanova (1 episode, more coming?)
- Z: The Beginning of Everything (1 pilot)
- One Mississippi (1 pilot)
- Edge (1pilot)
- Highston (1 pilot)
- Good girls Revolt (1 pilot)
- Patriot (1 pilot)
- Sneaky Pete (currently 1 4k pilot, has been renewed and a full season in HDR to be released late spring)

MOVIES

- Fury
- Men in Black 3
- Pineapple Express (added 11-11-15)
- After Earth
- Salt (added 11-11-15)
- The Amazing Spiderman 2
- Smurfs 2 (added 11-11-15)


VUDU (Dolby Vision only for right now, Vizio R only)


- Man of Steel
- Edge of Tomorrow
- The Lego Movie
- Jupiter Ascending
- Magic Mike XXL
- Sherlock Holmes
- Sherlock Holmes 2
- San Andreas
- Focus
- The Great Gatsby
- Run All Night
- Into the Storm


DEMO UHD3D WEBSITE

Samsung SUHD HDR DEMO
http://www.demo-uhd3d.com/fiche.php?cat=uhd&id=115

Fire HDR demo by FOX
http://www.demo-uhd3d.com/fiche.php?cat=uhd&id=113

Exodus HDR Clip
http://www.demo-uhd3d.com/fiche.php?cat=uhd&id=89

Life of Pi HDR clip
http://www.demo-uhd3d.com/fiche.php?cat=uhd&id=88


TOM ROPER: AVS members' personally made SMPTE HDR videos

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7w...k5dkstNkE/view


Random HDR test Footage

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9p...FYcUJiaWs/view (25 second test clip)


NETFLIX (2016)



ULTRAFLIX (soon?)

Breaking Bad is in 4k HDR on Netflix :o! Such a great show :O!

ray0414 11-17-2015 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by NicNacHermann (Post 39015570)
Breaking Bad is in 4k HDR on Netflix :o! Such a great show :O!


netflix currently doesnt support HDR. currently it is regular 4k only. hoping for HDR from netflix in january!

ray0414 11-17-2015 08:43 PM

the ball is in motion to get 4k Discs into production


http://mesalliance.org/blog/me-daily...city-facility/

anthonymoody 11-18-2015 07:22 AM

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I decided to bite the bullet on Smurfs 2 on amazon to see how the HDR grade was, ive checked out the 4k version on netflix a few times, so i had an idea of how the regular 4k version looked. the Amazon HDR version EASILY trumps the 4k netflix version. the expanded colors create an entirely different picture with crazy depth to it. Not to mention, Smurfs2 has one of the best resolution grades so unlike alot of other "4k" films, smurfs 2 actually looks like real 4k and with the HDR grades, creates quite an amazing. Definitely the closest to "reference quality" as far as 4k HDR that i have seen.

just for fun i did match up a few scenes with some pictures I had previously taken with the 4k version on netflix. I do see HDR becoming a very expensive hobby once the big name titles start to arrive!

:eek::eek::eek: Wow those comparo shots are amazing. Thanks for doing that. My kids are Smurfts 2 fans so I may also bite the bullet for that one. Have Spidey 2 which looks quite nice. Wish they weren't $30...

EDIT: just tried to find Smurfs 2 and Pineapple Express in UHD on Amazon but don't find them. Doesn't seem to matter which version I click on, I don't see an option for the UHD $29.99 one like I do with Spiderman 2. What am I missing??

boostm3 11-18-2015 07:35 AM

Naive question: On sets like the Vizio M models that are 4k models without HDR, can you download and play some of the HDR encoded 4k clips and derive the 4k benefit without paying a penalty for not having HDR capability?

dmikester1 11-18-2015 08:29 AM

Is there a list somewhere of all the 4K TV's that support HDR? Is HDR only available on the high end more expensive TV's?

ray0414 11-18-2015 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by anthonymoody (Post 39023954)
:eek::eek::eek: Wow those comparo shots are amazing. Thanks for doing that. My kids are Smurfts 2 fans so I may also bite the bullet for that one. Have Spidey 2 which looks quite nice. Wish they weren't $30...

EDIT: just tried to find Smurfs 2 and Pineapple Express in UHD on Amazon but don't find them. Doesn't seem to matter which version I click on, I don't see an option for the UHD $29.99 one like I do with Spiderman 2. What am I missing??


Amazon revamped their UI yesterday, did yours switch over? If it did, you gotta scroll down all the way near the bottom and there will be a uhd movie section and a uhd tv section.





Edit: it looks like when amazon did their UI revamp yesterday, at least half of their UHD movies went missing. They'll probably be added back soon, there's quite a bit missing.

2nd edit: it seems that it takes a few minutes for the rest of hte movies to load. very odd. the new amazon setup is junk, hopefully the bugs get worked out. for example if u click movie info, and then backspace out of the movie info, it takes you back to the beginning of the list and you have to start over instead of taking you to the spot you were just at in the library.

ray0414 11-18-2015 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by boostm3 (Post 39024322)
Naive question: On sets like the Vizio M models that are 4k models without HDR, can you download and play some of the HDR encoded 4k clips and derive the 4k benefit without paying a penalty for not having HDR capability?

On these downloadable files, they will wash out.

It won't be until 4k discs that the tv will "skip" the hdr metadata.

nathan_h 11-18-2015 09:37 AM

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Naive question: On sets like the Vizio M models that are 4k models without HDR, can you download and play some of the HDR encoded 4k clips and derive the 4k benefit without paying a penalty for not having HDR capability?

If you mean the user generated content, right now, most of those don't use HDR10 meta data flags, so your TV won't know what to do and the image will likely look much worse than an SDR clip of the same content.

If you mean the commercial content available from (for example) the in-TV Amazon app, then yes, it will look fine/good on a Vizio M model. The TV will know it cannot handle HDR and will show the 4k content in SDR and look very good. (Disclosure: I have an M series TV and this is how it is handling UHD HDR content from Amazon.)

ray0414 11-18-2015 09:41 AM

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I added a few titles to the VUDU DOLBY VISION list, i also added which movies are Dolby Atmos as pointed out in a few articles posted in the past 24 hours.

qualboy88 11-18-2015 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by ray0414 (Post 39028506)
I added a few titles to the VUDU DOLBY VISION list, i also added which movies are Dolby Atmos as pointed out in a few articles posted in the past 24 hours.

Hi. I just got Sony Xbr55x850c and am wondering how I would know if HDR has kicked in. I tried the Amazon shows posted here but I am not sure if it us the 4K version only playing or if it's the 4K HDR version. Please advise. Thanks.

ray0414 11-18-2015 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by qualboy88 (Post 39028986)
Hi. I just got Sony Xbr55x850c and am wondering how I would know if HDR has kicked in. I tried the Amazon shows posted here but I am not sure if it us the 4K version only playing or if it's the 4K HDR version. Please advise. Thanks.

Make sure your firmware is up to date. the HDR update for that tv I believe came out last month. Make sure you can see the HDR badge on the show info, before you actually play it. when you go to click on an episode, scroll to the left and click on the area I have highlighted in yellow in the pictures, next you'll see the next screen, make sure you have this HDR badge before you can even start to think that you might be watching it in HDR. also, make sure you are checking in the specific UHD TV section.

anthonymoody 11-18-2015 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by ray0414 (Post 39026322)
Amazon revamped their UI yesterday, did yours switch over? If it did, you gotta scroll down all the way near the bottom and there will be a uhd movie section and a uhd tv section.





Edit: it looks like when amazon did their UI revamp yesterday, at least half of their UHD movies went missing. They'll probably be added back soon, there's quite a bit missing.

2nd edit: it seems that it takes a few minutes for the rest of hte movies to load. very odd. the new amazon setup is junk, hopefully the bugs get worked out. for example if u click movie info, and then backspace out of the movie info, it takes you back to the beginning of the list and you have to start over instead of taking you to the spot you were just at in the library.

Thanks for double checking. Happy it's not a me problem :)

qualboy88 11-18-2015 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by ray0414 (Post 39029746)
Make sure your firmware is up to date. the HDR update for that tv I believe came out last month. Make sure you can see the HDR badge on the show info, before you actually play it. when you go to click on an episode, scroll to the left and click on the area I have highlighted in yellow in the pictures, next you'll see the next screen, make sure you have this HDR badge before you can even start to think that you might be watching it in HDR. also, make sure you are checking in the specific UHD TV section.

Thank you very much. I will try this.

Gator1 11-18-2015 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ray0414 (Post 39029746)
Make sure your firmware is up to date. the HDR update for that tv I believe came out last month. Make sure you can see the HDR badge on the show info, before you actually play it. when you go to click on an episode, scroll to the left and click on the area I have highlighted in yellow in the pictures, next you'll see the next screen, make sure you have this HDR badge before you can even start to think that you might be watching it in HDR. also, make sure you are checking in the specific UHD TV section.

I have a Samsung JS8500 and when I open the Amazon app I do not get the HRD badge. I know this show is in HDR. See photo.

ray0414 11-18-2015 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Gator1 (Post 39037970)
I have a Samsung JS8500 and when I open the Amazon app I do not get the HRD badge. I know this show is in HDR. See photo.


Make sure you're specifically in the uhd section. If your not, you will see the HD version like you posted here. I double checked today and there are indeed 2 versions, so find it in the uhd tv section.

Gator1 11-18-2015 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ray0414 (Post 39038106)
Make sure your specifically in the uhd section. If your not, you will see the HD version like you posted here. I double checked today and there are indeed 2 versions, so find it in the uhd tv section.

You are correct. I did just that and found the one that does say HDR. Did not know there was two. Thanks.

ray0414 11-18-2015 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by dmikester1 (Post 39026026)
Is there a list somewhere of all the 4K TV's that support HDR? Is HDR only available on the high end more expensive TV's?


You can probably Google it. But the degree of how the hdr is displayed really varies from tv to tv depending on the capabilities of the specific panel (nits/color gamut/dimming type).

Technically Currently all 2015 4k sonys, all 2015 samsung 4k tv's can decode and display hdr, but the upper models are alot better with both brands. I think the only hdr LG tvs are the oleds. Panasonic has 1 or 2, the cx850? 2014 samsungs got hdr by the 2015 upgrade kit but the hdr on those sets really vary on the model as those sets weren't designed for hdr. And then there's the vizio R series.

nathan_h 11-19-2015 07:21 AM

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And the newly introduced JVC projectors (except the entry level model).

(BTW, for the Samsung, in 4k they have what they call UHD and SUHD models, and IIRC only the latter support HDR.)

ray0414 11-19-2015 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by nathan_h (Post 39052850)
And the newly introduced JVC projectors (except the entry level model).

(BTW, for the Samsung, in 4k they have what they call UHD and SUHD models, and IIRC only the latter support HDR.)

Samsung announced at IFA that the lower models would get an hdr update, but like I said it is limited to how it will look depending on panel capabilities.

nathan_h 11-19-2015 09:02 AM

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Samsung announced at IFA that the lower models would get an hdr update, but like I said it is limited to how it will look depending on panel capabilities.

That's cool. Do the internal apps support it too?

ray0414 11-19-2015 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by nathan_h (Post 39056530)
That's cool. Do the internal apps support it too?

I believe so. Though I haven't seen many of those users active in the hdr threads.

kdog750 11-19-2015 12:15 PM

In regards to the streaming comments, even 35 gig files would blow through your monthly data cap pretty fast depending on how often you stream them. At 100 gigs, that would kill a third of your monthly cap.

mpgxsvcd 11-19-2015 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ray0414 (Post 39026410)
On these downloadable files, they will wash out.

It won't be until 4k discs that the tv will "skip" the hdr metadata.

That is not an accurate assessment of what is happening. The non HDR TVs already ignore the HDR metadata and so they do not apply any auto correction to the ungraded footage that is stored as the HDR content.

Once the HDR UHD Blu-ray players come out those players will automatically recognize that the Tv does not support HDR and they will automatically apply the standard REC.709 color grading to the image that they output for non-HDR TVs.

In the meantime you can manually adjust the Vizio TVs to give you the desired output you want from HDR content up to the limits of REC.709.

CCsoftball7 11-19-2015 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by kdog750 (Post 39062874)
In regards to the streaming comments, even 35 gig files would blow through your monthly data cap pretty fast depending on how often you stream them. At 100 gigs, that would kill a third of your monthly cap.

What data cap?

mpgxsvcd 11-19-2015 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ray0414 (Post 39026410)
On these downloadable files, they will wash out.

So many people don't understand that the HDR content is stored ungraded and that natively it should look washed out. Because there is no definitive color standard at the moment for HDR the color grading must be done in real-time by the TV or player.

Right now your TV is automatically adjusting the washed out picture so that it gives the “HDR” affect. The content is stored ungraded on the disc. If it was stored graded then what specification would they grade it to? If they graded it to something less than what your TV is capable of then you would lose color fidelity when your TV graded it again to utilize its full capabilities. If they grade it past the capabilities of your TV then you would get clipped colors.

Tom Roper 11-19-2015 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by mpgxsvcd (Post 39063754)
So many people don't understand that the HDR content is stored ungraded and that natively it should look washed out. Because there is no definitive color standard at the moment for HDR the color grading must be done in real-time by the TV or player.

There is a definitive standard for the gamma transfer, it's been adopted by SMPTE as ST-2084. There is also a definitive color standard, it's bt-2020. Within that bt-2020 color space which encompasses all of rec 709 and P3, you can scale the RGB primaries and white point for any subset with st-2086 metadata. The grading per se has already been done by a colorist and is baked into the HEVC file. What the display or player must do, is a matrix transformation to RGB in accordance with the gamma table used by the display

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Right now your TV is automatically adjusting the washed out picture so that it gives the “HDR” affect. The content is stored ungraded on the disc. If it was stored graded then what specification would they grade it to? If they graded it to something less than what your TV is capable of then you would lose color fidelity when your TV graded it again to utilize its full capabilities. If they grade it past the capabilities of your TV then you would get clipped colors.
The reason the picture appears washed out is because the display doesn't have st-2084 transformation, only 709. With uncompressed video, it's possible to transform between one mapping and the other, but once the video has been compressed to 709 (HEVC is lossy), the upper highlight stops are compressed into just a few shades and become under represented by the bit budget.

It's going to be the case that an HDR player can output HDR or SDR to a display from an st-2084 video transfer. An HDR capable display can do the same thing but why would it? It already plays both types!

So what's left? A 4k display without HDR and without a player has no means to transfer st-2084 to rec 709 gamma, so the image will play flat.

kdog750 11-19-2015 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by CCsoftball7 (Post 39063666)
What data cap?

Data is capped at 250 gigs/month under my current plan with Suddenlink.

mo949 11-19-2015 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by mpgxsvcd (Post 39063754)
So many people don't understand that the HDR content is stored ungraded and that natively it should look washed out. Because there is no definitive color standard at the moment for HDR the color grading must be done in real-time by the TV or player.

Right now your TV is automatically adjusting the washed out picture so that it gives the “HDR” affect. The content is stored ungraded on the disc. If it was stored graded then what specification would they grade it to? If they graded it to something less than what your TV is capable of then you would lose color fidelity when your TV graded it again to utilize its full capabilities. If they grade it past the capabilities of your TV then you would get clipped colors.




And that is what is reportedly happening for Home Video HDR, the content does in fact get graded to an absolute level. The TV uses the metadata to adjust/optimize for its own capabilities which can fall short of the original grading.

chunon 11-19-2015 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Roper (Post 39067914)
There is a definitive standard for the gamma transfer, it's been adopted by SMPTE as ST-2084. There is also a definitive color standard, it's bt-2020. Within that bt-2020 color space which encompasses all of rec 709 and P3, you can scale the RGB primaries and white point for any subset with st-2086 metadata. The grading per se has already been done by a colorist and is baked into the HEVC file. What the display or player must do, is a matrix transformation to RGB in accordance with the gamma table used by the display



The reason the picture appears washed out is because the display doesn't have st-2084 transformation, only 709. With uncompressed video, it's possible to transform between one mapping and the other, but once the video has been compressed to 709 (HEVC is lossy), the upper highlight stops are compressed into just a few shades and become under represented by the bit budget.

It's going to be the case that an HDR player can output HDR or SDR to a display from an st-2084 video transfer. An HDR capable display can do the same thing but why would it? It already plays both types!

So what's left? A 4k display without HDR and without a player has no means to transfer st-2084 to rec 709 gamma, so the image will play flat.

Great explanation Tom

ray0414 11-19-2015 06:23 PM

NEW HDR SHOW ADDED TO AMAZON


Looks like amazon decided to add a show a day early. The man in the high castle is now on amazon with 10 episodes in HDR.

a little background its a sci fi show about an alternate world where the nazis actually won world war 2. A few big name networks refused the show because it was too graphic, or just flat out "too much" for a big name network to take on. i forget the exact wording. so amazon gladly picked it up. the article i read said that "amazon is banking on this being a huge hit". and from the trailer, it looks dam good!



http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1740299/

anthonymoody 11-20-2015 06:38 AM

Man the Amazon thing is really pissing me off. I'm actually ready to drop $30 on Smurfs 2 (I know, kill me now!!) and the site won't show me a link to it no matter what I do.

CCsoftball7 11-20-2015 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by ray0414 (Post 39073586)
NEW HDR SHOW ADDED TO AMAZON


Looks like amazon decided to add a show a day early. The man in the high castle is now on amazon with 10 episodes in HDR.

a little background its a sci fi show about an alternate world where the nazis actually won world war 2. A few big name networks refused the show because it was too graphic, or just flat out "too much" for a big name network to take on. i forget the exact wording. so amazon gladly picked it up. the article i read said that "amazon is banking on this being a huge hit". and from the trailer, it looks dam good!

The pilot was excellent. I'm looking forward to binge watching this soon. :)

ray0414 11-20-2015 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by anthonymoody (Post 39082874)
Man the Amazon thing is really pissing me off. I'm actually ready to drop $30 on Smurfs 2 (I know, kill me now!!) and the site won't show me a link to it no matter what I do.


Its still not popping up in the uhd section?

anthonymoody 11-20-2015 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by ray0414 (Post 39083882)
Its still not popping up in the uhd section?

Not for me, no. Is there a direct link you can post?

ray0414 11-20-2015 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by anthonymoody (Post 39083986)
Not for me, no. Is there a direct link you can post?

Unfortunately I don't think that's possible. I guess just keep checking the uhd movie section until they fix it. Have you tried to email amazing video support?

ray0414 11-20-2015 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by CCsoftball7 (Post 39082922)
The pilot was excellent. I'm looking forward to binge watching this soon. :)


I watched the 1st 2 last night.

The pilot was decent, but a little slow moving. Was better at thr end. Episode 2 was alot better, more action and it visually looked alot better too than the pilot.

CCsoftball7 11-20-2015 07:57 AM

I think one thing that is seriously lacking in the Amazon app is the ability to search UHD titles only. I have tried all sorts of searches, but seldom do they yield the results I seek. I don't want to browse 50 titles to see if there is a UHD version of a movie I want to watch. :)

ray0414 11-20-2015 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by CCsoftball7 (Post 39084874)
I think one thing that is seriously lacking in the Amazon app is the ability to search UHD titles only. I have tried all sorts of searches, but seldom do they yield the results I seek. I don't want to browse 50 titles to see if there is a UHD version of a movie I want to watch. :)


Theres an entire section for uhd movies and another section for uhd tv, is that what your talking about?

CCsoftball7 11-20-2015 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by ray0414 (Post 39085330)
Theres an entire section for uhd movies and another section for uhd tv, is that what your talking about?

What set do you have? I have a Sony 940c. It has all UHD material mixed in one folder.

ray0414 11-20-2015 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by CCsoftball7 (Post 39085570)
What set do you have? I have a Sony 940c. It has all UHD material mixed in one folder.


Js9500. Amazon revamped it's UI 3 days ago. Did yours change yet?

The new UI now has 2 sections, and u gotta scroll pretty far down to find out. The setup now is more like the Netflix setup.

CCsoftball7 11-20-2015 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by ray0414 (Post 39086130)
Js9500. Amazon revamped it's UI 3 days ago. Did yours change yet?

The new UI now has 2 sections, and u gotta scroll pretty far down to find out. The setup now is more like the Netflix setup.

No, the UI is the same as it was previously. Maybe with the firmware update today we will get the new Amazon app as well.

puddy77 11-20-2015 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by dmikester1 (Post 39026026)
Is there a list somewhere of all the 4K TV's that support HDR? Is HDR only available on the high end more expensive TV's?

I just saw an article from HD Guru breaking down all the feature sets of different UHD TV's into different categories:

http://hdguru.com/sorting-out-4k-ultra-hdtv-categories/

APorter 11-20-2015 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by puddy77 (Post 39088122)
I just saw an article from HD Guru breaking down all the feature sets of different UHD TV's into different categories:

http://hdguru.com/sorting-out-4k-ultra-hdtv-categories/

They have the Samsung JS8500 listed under both A2 and A3 category.


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