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HDR-Capable Displays

To fully enjoy high dynamic-range content, you need an HDR-capable display. Here's a list of all such displays available today.

www.avsforum.com/hdr-capable-displays/
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i'm interested to start seeing these in person. i can honestly say at THIS moment in time, i have zero desire for HDR, and I have yet to see any picture that did anything to justify the need for it. i truly believe this is something that has to be experienced, and I looked forward to finding out what HDR is all about.
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i am really going to have to go and spend some time with these displays. I would like to move a bit bigger from my 70 Elite although I love this display and the thought gives me a stomach ache as this stuff is darn expensive..

But I do love your before and after pics. It's like an acne commercial where the cute girl is covered in 50 zits and after two days of use of the secret sauce, she's all clear and a bombshell

I don't think my display has looked like the before picture and usually closer to the after picture.

I will have to spend more time with them of course...

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HDR is indeed the future of UHD 4K! I have a Sammy 55JS9000, Denon AVR-7200WA, & the new Sammy UHD player. HDR does make the experience worth it imo, otherwise its just souped up 1080p and not worth the investment to upgrade.
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So glad I decided to go with the Sony 850C although it's edge lit HDR. Any way, what about photos? Are you able to see a wider gamut of colors, that is if you can turn on HDR while viewing photos off a USB? I shoot in Adobe RGB and to my understanding no existing display can show case more than 40% of the color embedded in the image for the Adobe RGB profile. Will HDR TVs make any difference in that regards or is it more of a contrast thing and being able to see more details in shadows.

From the screenshot sample it looks similar to what we do with photos for HDR. Tone down overblown sections of images and bring out details and exposure from shadows.
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Scott,

I do see 1 mistake in your list. You list the JS7000 as a FALD tv. while it is direct lit, it doesnt have local dimming therefore cant be considered a FALD tv.

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There is the promised Hisense 8K HDR display Hisense 65M9800U 8K (244 zones, 8K res, HDR10)

Westinghouse has a few HDR displays you missed. Also, RCA will some later in the year.

http://hdguru.com/westinghouse-readi...k-uhd-tv-line/
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OLED TVs



** Note: the LG EG9600 processes and displays HDR only from its onboard streaming apps, not from an external HDMI source.

LCD-FALD TVs



LCD-Edgelit TVs



Projectors

The Samsung 2014 HU9000 4K curved series with the SEK-3500 OCB is HDR capable, (both from an external source -- the new Samsung 8500 4K Blu Ray player, and internally from the M-go app in the Samsung Smart Hub). I bought the K-8500 player and am getting good HDR. The HU9000 was always HDR capable using the M-GO app with the WD passport drive. I've found the 4K UHD discs - Hitman Agent 47, as well as The Martian, and Kingsman look especially good HDR movies off the 4k 8500 Blu Ray player.
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I do see 1 mistake in your list. You list the JS7000 as a FALD tv. while it is direct lit, it doesnt have local dimming therefore cant be considered a FALD tv.

Ahhhh!!!!!!! I got all giddy and excited..............for nothing haha lol

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Do you've proof that it's showing HDR? I would love to see that! Samsung doesn't say it is and lists don't go by opinions they go by facts.

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The Samsung 2014 HU9000 4K curved series with the SEK-3500 OCB is HDR capable, (both from an external source -- the new Samsung 8500 4K Blu Ray player, and internally from the M-go app in the Samsung Smart Hub). I bought the K-8500 player and am getting good HDR. The HU9000 was always HDR capable using the M-GO app with the WD passport drive. I've found the 4K UHD discs - Hitman Agent 47, as well as The Martian, and Kingsman look especially good HDR movies off the 4k 8500 Blu Ray player.
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There is the promised Hisense 8K HDR display Hisense 65M9800U 8K (244 zones, 8K res, HDR10)

Westinghouse has a few HDR displays you missed. Also, RCA will some later in the year.

http://hdguru.com/westinghouse-readi...k-uhd-tv-line/
Ah, very good. I'll add those tomorrow...well, maybe except for the Hisense 8K. I'll have to verify that it's an actual product that will actually be for sale in the near future.

UPDATE: I just looked at the HDGuru piece, and they seem more like vaporware than real products. As it says, "Prior to the show, Westinghouse said it expected the models to begin appearing in stores during the third quarter of 2016. That time frame appears less definite now." In my experience, that usually means next year or maybe even not at all. Also, Westinghouse's Brett Hunt is quoted as saying, "For 2016 we will continue with our current line of 4K UHD TVs that will be available at Target and Best Buy."

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The Samsung 2014 HU9000 4K curved series with the SEK-3500 OCB is HDR capable, (both from an external source -- the new Samsung 8500 4K Blu Ray player, and internally from the M-go app in the Samsung Smart Hub). I bought the K-8500 player and am getting good HDR. The HU9000 was always HDR capable using the M-GO app with the WD passport drive. I've found the 4K UHD discs - Hitman Agent 47, as well as The Martian, and Kingsman look especially good HDR movies off the 4k 8500 Blu Ray player.
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Do you've proof that it's showing HDR? I would love to see that! Samsung doesn't say it is and lists don't go by opinions they go by facts.
I've asked Samsung for verification of this...
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I saw a HDR demo on a sony 4K HDR tv at best buy. They were playing Exodus Gods and Kings HDR. To my eyes any dark scenes looked too grainy. Thats just me on that movie. I don't know about the other movies though.
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I've asked Samsung for verification of this...
This is the closest we've ever had to written verification of this:
https://help.mgo.com/hc/en-us/articl...-UHD-with-HDR-

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You will need a Samsung SUHD or UHD TV. Samsung 2015 devices already support HDR, and 2014 devices can be upgraded to support it by installing the SEK3500U One Connect Evolution Kit.
HDR titles are only available for download, so you should also have a VIDITY™-enabled device, as explained here.
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I've yet to see anyone explain just exactly how an edge-lit LCD can meet the UHDP spec. The only way this would be possible is if they are measuring on/off contrast while allowing for dynamic contrast. They sure aren't using an ANSI pattern.

It looks like OLED is currently going to be the only way to get HDR10 and DV while also meeting UHDP spec. Also, LG doing HDR with edge-lit IPS is a complete joke.
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I have a Sony xbr-850C and the Samsung 8500k UHD player, and I'm now a true believer in HDR. It looks totally amazing and it is the reason to buy 4k UHD Blu Rays.
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This may help its on Mgo's HDR page. Support for 2014 TV with Sek-3500.
http://www.mgo.com/hdr

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This thread is going to get really messy very quick.


TVs like the JS7000 and X850C with no local dimming claim "HDR" support...

However, the real life results don't offer any increased dynamic range and are disingenuous at best.
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Content makers who support DV without also supporting HDR10 will be making a big mistake. Without support from Samsung and Sony, they'll be throwing away a lot of sales.

I like HDR, but IMO UHD makes a bigger difference. I have a 75" screen so maybe on a smaller screen I would see things differently,
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This is the closest we've ever had to written verification of this:
https://help.mgo.com/hc/en-us/articl...-UHD-with-HDR-

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You will need a Samsung SUHD or UHD TV. Samsung 2015 devices already support HDR, and 2014 devices can be upgraded to support it by installing the SEK3500U One Connect Evolution Kit.
HDR titles are only available for download, so you should also have a VIDITY™-enabled device, as explained here.
It also has HDR thru the new 8500 4K player. I own 6 of these discs and they look better than the HDR M-GO app. The HU9000 ABSOLUTELY is capable of HDR as I said, from both internal and EXTERNAL sources, as long as one has the SEK 3500 OCB.

You can check this by going to the Master List of currently available 4k HDR titles thread, and see what other HU9000 posters are reporting.
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Samsung F9000 and SEK-3500 HDR?

I have a Samsung F9000 with the SEK-3500 and the UBD-K8500. When I play an HDR Blu-ray the TV backlight automatically changes to 20 (I always have the contrast set at 100 so that wouldn't be a change). The picture looks great and much better than regular Blu-ray, but I was wondering if I am getting any real HDR affect with the SEK-3500 and this TV?

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I have a Samsung F9000 with the SEK-3500 and the UBD-K8500. When I play an HDR Blu-ray the TV backlight automatically changes to 20 (I always have the contrast set at 100 so that wouldn't be a change). The picture looks great and much better than regular Blu-ray, but I was wondering if I am getting any real HDR affect with the SEK-3500 and this TV?
You are? Why would you wonder? Unless it's about the F9000, which I have little knowledge of. It might not be as intense as the JS series or the 2014 top-of-the-line HU model because of the number of nits, but you are getting HDR. Buy the HITMAN disc and you won't have doubts about your F9000, I bet.

How does your M-GO app look? And do you have the WD passport drive that supports the Vidity strip on M-GO?
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I'm glad to see you made it clear the Philips 8600 is FALD . I've posted that it was, some question that . My question is if Dolby Vision requires LCD TV"S to be FALD?
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I have a Samsung F9000 with the SEK-3500 and the UBD-K8500. When I play an HDR Blu-ray the TV backlight automatically changes to 20 (I always have the contrast set at 100 so that wouldn't be a change). The picture looks great and much better than regular Blu-ray, but I was wondering if I am getting any real HDR affect with the SEK-3500 and this TV?
Same here with a Samsung HU7250, which is basically an HU8700 without the edge-local dimming. The UHD Bluray picture looks fantastic, but the problem is that, without having been shown a definitive representation of what HDR should look like, I don't really know if I'm looking at it.
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almost had reason to return my js8500, fedex is too slow(anticipation)
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For us Poo people, Vizio, Tcl and Hisense will gut us to 4K and HDR with some money left over to buy food.
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Same here with a Samsung HU7250, which is basically an HU8700 without the edge-local dimming. The UHD Bluray picture looks fantastic, but the problem is that, without having been shown a definitive representation of what HDR should look like, I don't really know if I'm looking at it.
It's frustrating trying to convince people about HDR and the HU series. I was in Best Buy yesterday and watched some HDR material on the JS9000. It looked almost exactly the same as I'm getting from the HU9000. If your back light is at 20 and contrast at 100, plus you see better contrast and WCG, you're getting HDR.

Why not go to the 3500 evolutionary kit thread and ask about your specific model?. But I believe both of you are getting HDR, if I remember correctly.

OK, my last post on the subject, but I hope the HU9000 will be added by Scott to the list of HDR capable sets.
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Philips 8600 with Dolby Vision,HDR,QDOT ,WCG and FALD for a 65 inch at a list of 1699.00 looks good for a black Friday poor man TV.
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You are? Why would you wonder? Unless it's about the F9000, which I have little knowledge of. It might not be as intense as the JS series or the 2014 top-of-the-line HU model because of the number of nits, but you are getting HDR. Buy the HITMAN disc and you won't have doubts about your F9000, I bet.

How does your M-GO app look? And do you have the WD passport drive that supports the Vidity strip on M-GO?

I have never used the MGO app for 4K or downloaded a paid for 4K movie. Just never liked the idea for the price of the movies. I don't have the WD passport drive.

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