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Xbox One S/X & HDMI 2.1

Xbox One S & Xbox One X will be compatible with HDMI 2.1 VRR & HDMI 2.1 ALLM.
https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.ph...&id=1520831357
http://armdevices.net/2018/02/10/bet...-qms-qft-allm/



"Microsoft has announced that it will be bringing AMD’s FreeSync display support to the Xbox One S and the Xbox One X consoles. The new update will support FreeSync 2, which will allow Variable Refresh Rate with HDR enabled displays. Both consoles will support the standard over HDMI."
https://twitter.com/UHDRob/status/972923342503030784

"Xbox One will also begin supporting Auto Low Latency Mode on supported TVs later in 2018, including select models from Samsung."
https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2018/03/...ox-news-recap/

"At Samsung's First Look TV event ahead of CES 2018, a company executive told us that its 2018 range of QLED TVs will support VRR (Variable Refresh Rate) technology from the likes of G-Sync and Freesync, even though the underlying chipset is not full HDMI 2.1."

Current well-designed TVs can also be upgraded to HDMI 2.1 VRR or to HDMI 2.1 Dynamic HDR, i.e. transmission of ST 2094-10 dynamic metadata of ST 2094 compliant Dolby Vision, ST 2094-20/30 dynamic metadata of Technicolor HDR or ST 2094-40 dynamic metadata of HDR10Plus across HDMI.

They can be also upgraded to HDMI 2.1 eARC, i.e. transmission of 3D audio (Dolby Atmos, …) from TV apps.
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HDR status

Latest Yoeri Geutskens' diagram:
https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update...1123118645248/

"Main changes in this month's update of the Venn diagram:
- BBC has adopted Dolby Vision (in addition to HDR10 and HLG)
- Oppo supports HLG, which is now reflected here;
- There are multiple flavors of Philips/Technicolor HDR, hence 'SL-HDRx'"

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- BBC has adopted Dolby Vision (in addition to HDR10 and HLG)
Whaaaat?! Maybe's it's our turn to ask him for the proof!

The BBC hates paying fees to Dolby. When they showed The X-Files and many other dramas, they edited out the "available in dolby surround" banner at the start of the episodes so that they weren't broadcasting it and wouldn't have to pay the fee. There was still out-of-phase information in the signal, and a dolby surround decoder created a nice pro-logic sound, but it was just a coincidence, honest

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I think it is based on the release of "Earth: One Amazing Day" in Dolby Vision by BBC Earth Films.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/wor...ray-4k-release
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Samsung & Dolby Vision: Discussed, but nothing done

According to Samsung representatives at the Visual Display Tech Summit in Milan this week, Samsung and Dolby discuss about the support of Dolby Vision.
Nothing has been done so far.
http://www.avcesar.com/actu/id-24279...a-discute.html
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"Our Samsung TVs can not decode Dolby Vision - at the moment"
http://www.4kfilme.de/samsung-dolby-vision-hdr/
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It's just software as long as the SoC is compatible!

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It's just software as long as the SoC is compatible!
The same SoC can't even do HDR10+! Any idea that it'll do dolby vision is deranged!

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The same SoC can't even do HDR10+! Any idea that it'll do dolby vision is deranged!
DV works over older HDMI standards.
But in the end of the day, doubt Samsung wants to allocate any resources to older hardware even if it is capable!

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DV works over older HDMI standards.
But in the end of the day, doubt Samsung wants to allocate any resources to older hardware even if it is capable!
I'm saying it isn't . Nothing to do with HDMI, I wasn't talking about the HDMI issue. If the chipset can't even do HDR10+, Samsung's own format, it's not doing to be able to do dolby vision.

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Is ICtCp being used in the Dolby Vision "Display Management"?




https://patents.google.com/patent/US20150248747

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Apparently the IPT / ICtCp color representation has all of the color attributes necessary for a higher quality color volume mapping to serve the diversity of HDR displays than the legacy YCbCr.
http://wwwen.zte.com.cn/endata/magaz...4995790791.pdf

The question is whether it is being used in existing Dolby Vision-capable TV as related by the mentioned Dolby patent (i.e. "it can be used").
http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread....8#post14800298
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Apparently the IPT / ICtCp color representation has all of the color attributes necessary for a higher quality color volume mapping to serve the diversity of HDR displays than the legacy YCbCr.
http://wwwen.zte.com.cn/endata/magaz...4995790791.pdf

The question is whether it is being used in existing Dolby Vision-capable TV as related by the mentioned Dolby patent (i.e. "it can be used").
http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread....8#post14800298
NetFlix does for all of its new DV content. UHD BluRay is still YCbCr, so the switch will come at some point. All DV capable displays support ICtCp, this is also acknowledged in DV profiles. DV Profile 5 is ICtCp, Vudu is switching to this profile. Content is being encoded right now for our streaming pleasure.
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Ultra HD Forum Phase B: + Dolby Vision + SL-HDR1

UHD Phase B Guidelines document is now officially out.
https://ultrahdforum.org/resources/p...s-description/
https://ultrahdforum.org/wp-content/...lines-v1.0.pdf

UHD Phase B = UHD Phase A (i.e. HDR10 + HEVC HLG) + Dolby Vision + SL-HDR1 (i.e. Technicolor HDR)


UHD Phase B Technologies:
. Dynamic HDR metadata systems, including Dolby Vision and SL-HDR1
. Dual layer HDR technologies
. High Frame Rate
. Next generation audio including Dolby® AC-4 and MPEG-H audio
. Content-aware encoding
. AVS2 video codec


Dolby Vision broadcast production facility:




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Universal HDR

"Universal #UHD #HDR can be done.
No more excuses and no format wars @ultraHD Forum #NABShow "
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Dolby Vision licensing fees: insignificant

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I can’t presume to answer for Penton, but as for Q.2, it’s my opinion that ‘said’ license fees for hardware and software (movies) are so reasonable that when they are baked into the retail prices you can’t tell a DoVi included item from one that is only HDR10.

Take movies for example, there are numerous catalog titles released by Lionsgate with an SRP of $22.99 that include DoVi. These titles are no higher or lower priced than HDR10 releases. And brand new release titles from Sony and Disney are retailing for the same price as HDR10 only releases were selling for before DoVi was included.

As for hardware, LG, Sony and Philips players with DoVi sell for reasonable prices, similar to prices for Samsung and non-DoVi Sony players. The prices for ultra high-end Panasonic or Oppo players can’t really be equated with the other mass market players due to superior build quality and feature sets.

When it comes to TV’s, prices are so far all over the place it’s nigh impossible to do comparisons.
Note though that Vizio and TCL manage to include DoVi and still sell at sub $1,000 prices.

So opinions and arguments from many folks about “costly” DoVi licensing fees just don’t hold any water in my opinion. I don’t believe they could prove how much more anyone has had to pay for a Dolby Vision product. End of story.
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Fox's first home released Dolby Vision movie

Eli Roth's "Death Wish" announced for Blu-ray and 4K Digital w/Dolby Vision:
https://www.highdefdigest.com/news/s...y-vision/41490
http://www.4kfilme.de/death-wish-dolby-vision-film-fox/



All the major movie studios had committed to support Dolby Vision.
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Sorry Dan, but I don't think means much. It's not Fox going for DV. It's an MGM film. And their stuff already uses DV on Vudu. Fox just distributes their discs. If they had released a 4k disc with DV, then it would be significant. But for now it's still status quo.
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As Fox is a production company as well as a distribution company, it seems more correct to say that Death Wish is the first film in home Dolby Vision distributed by Fox.

Fox is distributing (home) Dolby Vision film produced by other studio.
Will Fox produce film in (home) Dolby Vision?



https://www.slideshare.net/JenniferA...ess-11-11-2015

"Fox Home Entertainment has announced release plans for the home video version of Death Wish starring Bruce Willis in the role made famous by Charles Bronson.
On May 22nd, Eli Roth’s Death Wish will make its way into homes via Digital, 4K Digital with Dolby Vision, and Movies Anywhere. Death Wish Blu-ray, DVD and VOD 4K options will be available to purchase on June 5th."

http://www.thehdroom.com/bluray/deat...summer-113149/

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NetFlix does for all of its new DV content. UHD BluRay is still YCbCr, so the switch will come at some point. All DV capable displays support ICtCp, this is also acknowledged in DV profiles. DV Profile 5 is ICtCp, Vudu is switching to this profile. Content is being encoded right now for our streaming pleasure.
Do you have a link Vudu is switching to ICtCp?
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HDMI 2.1 Variable Refresh Rate

Xbox One X >> HDMI 2.1 VRR >> Samsung Q9FN



https://twitter.com/UHDRob/status/1003812730241998849
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/465-hi...l#post54807336
https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarc.../#443c1cb7712a

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Dolby Vision & HDR10+ compliant media players

Dolby Vision & HDR10+ compliant BrightSign Series 4 media players begin shipping June 25, 2018.
https://twitter.com/DanielBa78/statu...73601081434113
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The current state of UHD HDR

A good start of the year for UHD HDR
https://blog.harmonicinc.com/good-start-year-uhd-hdr/

"On the technology side, the HDR battle has not ceased, despite both the Ultra HD Forum and the DVB standards committee selecting PQ10 [aka HDR10] and HLG back in 2016. Those HDR specifications are either without metadata (i.e., HLG) or with static metadata (i.e., PQ10). The industry has moved onto the deployment stage for both HDR specifications.

The ATSC 3.0 committee has now standardized A/3421 in addition to PQ10 and HLG, along with the dynamic metadata-based HDR specification Dolby Vision from Dolby and SL-HDR1 from Technicolor.

DVB has opened new commercial requirements to cover the existing specification of UHD-1 Phase 2, and the Ultra HD Forum has integrated those new HDR schemes in the Phase B Guidelines published this past April. In the enhanced version of the Ultra HD Forum Guidelines, new technologies appear, such as
• Next-generation HDR with dynamic metadata support (Dolby Vision and SL-HDR1)
• Object-based coding for next-generation audio
• High frame rate for 1080p100/120 sports content
• Content-aware encoding to bring the bitrate to more practical values for OTT deployments of UHD HDR."

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Dolby Vision support across Xbox One S and Xbox One X

Dolby Vision video streaming support across Xbox One S and Xbox One X:
https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2018/07/...system-update/

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Coexistence of different HDR profiles

What
"Dolby Vision? HDR10+? Dolby makes the case that both can coexist.
Giles Baker, Dolby Laboratories’ Senior Vice President of Consumer Entertainment, mused about a future in which both systems coexist. Granted, he believes Dolby provides a better end-to-end solution for HDR mastering and delivery, but that doesn’t mean he thinks HDR10+ doesn’t have its merits. It’s just … different.
There doesn’t need to be a winner and a loser here - we should all just enjoy better-looking content in whichever format directors and creators choose to use." 
https://www.techradar.com/news/dolby...u-to-have-both

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"Bill Mandel, industry relations VP for Samsung Research and program manager for HDR10+ for Samsung Electronics, said that despite the existence of a half dozen different HDR profiles, all will coexist through the use of Extended Display Information Data (EDID) technology that will let HDR10+ enabled players, televisions and even AV receivers communicate back and forth. That way HDR10+ info frame data can be delivered or withheld by the player if the display device or receiver are not compatible. Additionally, the devices might send a pop up asking the user which form of HDR is preferred when more than one is present.
That way all of the different systems can coexist without conflicts."
https://hdguru.com/hdr10-looks-for-g...tent-hardware/

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The coexistence of different HDR profiles would be likely to be officially endorsed by a 8K standard-setting body.

"One of the things that the consumer electronics industry is historically very bad at is introducing new standards to the public. At one point, HD had well over 30 different flavours in use worldwide and plenty of TV sets sold as HD Ready (if you can remember that far back) turned out to be no such thing. And, to be honest, the introduction of 4K has hardly been much better, while even HDR is not the cut and dried, 'this TV does HDR, this TV doesn't' case it should be either.
Speaking at the annual QLED & Advanced Display Summit in Hollywood, David Jung from Samsung's Picture Differentiation Lab delivered the following mea culpa.
“We feel we have to sufficiently explain to industry players in the ecosystem, and most importantly, the consumers, the value proposition of 8K. 4K distribution beat market expectations, but we feel now in retrospect we could have done better in setting standards and educating customers in such things as UHD and HDR.”
As a result, Samsung, which was a key member of the UHD Alliance, is in discussion with a variety of industry stakeholders to set up a body looking at the introduction of 8K."
http://www.redsharknews.com/producti...mistakes-as-4k

"We feel we have to sufficiently explain to industry players in the ecosystem, and most importantly, the consumers, the value proposition of 8K," he said. "4K distribution beat market expectations, but we feel now in retrospect we could have done better in setting standards and educating customers in such things as UHD (ultra high definition) and HDR (high dynamic range)."
"Resolution is important, but today TV needs to offer added values besides just resolution," said Jung. "To do so, we believe we must cooperate with all stakeholders in the ecosystem, including content makers and distributors. We are keeping an open mind."
We need a different mindset from the past decade where TV manufacturers competed on shipment fiercely, to the detriment of our bottom lines," the official added. "We need to justify to consumers why they should consider 8K over a 4K TV as we can only do that when the industry as a whole come together to foster the ecosystem."
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Universal audio/video receiver (Dolby Atmos, DTS:X, etc.) is achieved.
Universal HDR TV (HDR10, Dolby Vision, HEVC HLG HDR, VP9-HLG / VP9-PQ YouTube HDR, Dynamic HDR) is required.

Push for universal HDR TV!

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They need to listen to us, not explain. In the UK, the cost and size of housing does NOT allow for large 8K screens. It's that simple.
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Every decision in favor of Universal HDR is welcome.
Once the coexistence of different HDR profiles will be officially endorsed by a 8K standard-setting body, it will get passed along to 4K UHD.
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I can support that, sure . As long as they aren't under any delusions that 8K is feasible for UK home viewing.

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Using a cheap VP9 Profile 2 YouTube HDR compliant media player like the Chromecast Ultra, a Vizio P TV can play VP9-HLG / VP9-PQ YouTube HDR contents:

VP9-PQ YouTube HDR file stored on YouTube cloud >> Internet >> VP9-PQ compliant Chromecast Ultra > CTA HDR10 uncompressed video >> HDMI >> HDR10 compliant Vizio TV

VP9-HLG YouTube HDR file stored on YouTube cloud >> Internet >> VP9-HLG compliant Chromecast Ultra > HLG uncompressed video >> HDMI >> HLG HDR compliant Vizio TV.

And then this Vizio TV becomes a universal HDR TV: it can play any existing operational HDR content.

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According to a Vizio rep on here, the 2018 Vizio P Series now internally decodes VP9/2 for HDR playback from YouTube.


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Hello bobkat007, i saw your post and tested YouTube on our P55-F1 and PQ65-F1 and was able to get HDR from both the on board app and casting. We tested this on The HDR Channel on Youtube and they seem to have content that is working. If there is a specific video you are having any issue with please post it and we can test it here.
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