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post #31 of 567 Old 11-20-2016, 08:11 AM
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The CTA-861-G standard is available.

http://www.techstreet.com/standards/...uct_id=1934129



HDMI 2.1, using CTA-861-G, will be released very soon.

HDMI 2.0a uses CTA-861-3.







Does that mean that 2.1 is fw upgradable for current 2.0a devices?


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Sorry, I don't know.

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VP9-HLG YouTube HDR software update

"Sony 4K HDR-compatible TVs support HDR10, but do not support the following formats:

. Dolby-Vision
. VP9-HLG
. VP9-HDR10 [i.e. VP9-PQ]

Android HDR-compatible TVs released in 2016 are scheduled to support VP9-HLG for YouTube with a future software update."

https://sony-paa-pa-en-web--paa.cust...il/a_id/168120

Will they be also compatible with HEVC HLG HDR since HEVC & HLG functions will be already there?

Will they be also compatible with VP9-PQ since 10-bit VP9 & CTA HDR10 functions will be already there?

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Wow, so currently, those with the new 2016 Vizio M and P series are pretty lucky.

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Dynamic metadata support in YouTube HDR?



"Static and Dynamic HDR MetaData": Typo or not typo?
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/465-hi...oid-7-0-a.html

Royalty-free VP9-PQ YouTube HDR doesn't have dynamic metadata for the time being.
Royalty-free SMPTE ST 2094-40 dynamic metadata should be welcome.
https://kws.smpte.org/kws/public/pro...project_id=379

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So no youtube hdr for sony tvs 2015....


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Why dynamic metadata matters

"Dynamic metadata is a new concept because it is something we didn’t need to worry about in the past," Lars Borg, principal scientist in Adobe’s Digital Video and Audio Engineering Group and Chair of one important SMPTE workgroup in this arena, explains.


"If you think about regular HDTV in the past and what we call the color volume—what colors could be applied [to content], the chromacity, the brightness—that color volume for media was the same as the color volume for the display. The display could show any color [present] in the media, and the media could carry any color that could be [visible] on a display.
There was a one-to-one mapping between the media encoding and the display, but that is no longer the case in the world of ultra-high-definition.


With [BT.2020] wide color gamut, the BT.2020 media container can carry more saturated colors than can be displayed on the current set of wide color gamut displays. Current wide color displays can show colors up to the P3 color gamut, but that is still smaller than BT.2020 color gamut. So the media container is bigger than the display color volume, and if you add HDR to that, it is even more.
For example, take the HDR-10 format or [Dolby Vision’s] PQ Curve, which go up to 10,000 nits and deep brightness. There are no [consumer] user displays available that go to 10,000 nits. The brightest displays will do between 1,000 and 2,000 at peak. Again, you have media containers with a brightness range that exceeds the capability of a display.


This is a new problem—we never had before. We are talking about a media container that can probably hold 10 to 30 times more colors than can be represented on the screen. Thus, we had to figure how to apply some methods—a way to do some processing to reduce them to fit the media color volume of each display.

Dynamic metadata says ‘I’m not even using the full range of the mastering display.’ Instead, for this clip, map these colors onto the target display, and do it this way. When you are trying to put a big plug through a small hole, you need to know exactly what part of the big plug to preserve and what part to shave off." Borg states dynamic metadata determines what parts do not need to be used from the original mastering image, while still making sure the image produced is a good rendering of the original. "It is how we optimize the preservation of the created intent from the master onto the target display," he says.


Borg emphasizes that the consumer television industry remains, for the time being, locked in something of a hybrid universe, in which systems that support one kind of a format or another, but not all, are rolling out first to consumers. Therefore, the business logic of trying to manufacture and sell interoperable televisions to consumers right now remains suspect.

"Today, for example, we have TV’s that support HDR-10, and TV’s that support Dolby Vision available in the marketplace," he says. "We can expect there will be TV’s that support dynamic metadata as defined by SMPTE, and when they arrive, that will be an advantage for streaming content. That capability could be leveraged, as could the ability to show packaged media."


Borg will be leading a SMPTE Webcast on 12 January 17 that will discuss the SMPTE Dynamic Metadata standard. You can register for that session here.
https://www.smpte.org/standards/webc...namic_metadata






http://www.dvinfo.net/article/misc/s...014-day-4.html
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So no youtube hdr for sony tvs 2015....


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From what I understand any HDMI 2.0a TV can do YouTube HDR via the Chromecast Ultra. So, the Sony TVs may not have it built-in via the YouTube app, but should be capable of viewing YouTube HDR by utilizing the Chromecast Ultra device.
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Yea, even the new 2016 Vizios can't do Youtube HDR with the built in ChromeCast. Seems this is a common thing with needing a stand alone...

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UHD Trial of Planet Earth II in HLG

"BBC iPlayer will stream four stunning minutes of Planet Earth II footage in the highest quality the BBC has ever broadcast. The experimental footage will be available in Ultra HD and Hybrid Log-Gamma (HLG) on compatible connected TVs from today until early next year."
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4-mn clip of Planet Earth II in HEVC HLG HDR >> (UK) IP network >> HEVC HLG HDR compliant TV

4-mn clip of Planet Earth II in HEVC HLG HDR >> (UK) IP network >> 4K SDR TV


"The BBC says that the only TVs that currently support HLG are "Panasonic's latest screens." Other TV makers have indicated that their recent displays can receive a firmware update to support HLG, but they're unlikely to do so until HLG fully takes off next year."
http://arstechnica.co.uk/science/201...r-hlg-iplayer/

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Universal HDR TV SoC: growth driver expected

"Beyond Q4, we expect the growth drivers for the connected smart TV platform will include the following. Our 4K TV SoC with leading edge features such as universal HDR, refined picture quality, and the broader selection of named brand software application available such as Roku and Google are enabling us to differentiate ourselves from the competition and gain recognition as a distinguished quality player."
[CEO of Sigma Designs – December 06, 2016 - Earnings Conference Call]
http://seekingalpha.com/article/4028...all-transcript

"Our 4K TV SoC, with leading features such as universal HDR, refined picture quality, and the broadest selection of name brand streaming content available, enabling us to differentiate ourselves from the competition and gain market share.
We are the only provider of 4K TV chip for Vizio, with shipment to TPV, Foxconn, Wistron and Amtran. This is a position that affords us ongoing growth as also high definition takes over the US market and becomes the largest portion of Vizio revenue."
[CEO of Sigma Designs – June 06, 2016 - Earnings Conference Call]
http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/topst...ipt/ar-BBtWHEX



"FREMONT, CA – (Marketwired – September 01, 2016) – Sigma Designs® (NASDAQ: SIGM), a leading provider of Smart TV platforms and IoT devices announced today its breakthrough single-chip Smart UHD TV SoC solution that improves picture quality and audio performance of while lowering board costs and meeting TV market demand for low profile form factor. Designed to be used in the highest quality UHD televisions, the new STV7804 offers a rich feature set including universal High Dynamic Range (HDR), 100/120Hz frame rates, and high performance processors.
While most competitors are working on their first generation of HDR solutions, STV7804 represents Sigma’s 3rd Generation of High Dynamic Range and Wide Color Gamut designs. This mature platform offers a universal programmable HDR Engine that supports HDR10, Dolby Vision and a new HDR standard called HLG (Hybrid Log Gamma) with Rec.2020 Wide Color Gamut."
http://www.sigmadesigns.com/news/sig...ate-converter/

As the STV7804 SoC has 10-bit VP9 decoding capabilities, it could also support VP9-PQ / VP9-HLG YouTube HDR.

As the STV7804 SoC has enough processing power required by Dolby Vision and a future Dynamic HDR is somewhat equivalent to Dolby Vision leaving out the standardization differences, a STV7804 SoC-based TV could be technically upgraded to be compatible with a future Dynamic HDR format.
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HDMI 2.0b supports HLG

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HDMI has discreetly announced on the manufacturer section of their website that HDMI 2.0b can support HLG due to the release of CTA-861-G. Granted to add HLG to a current HDMI device it would need to be firmware updatable and have sufficient processing power to process the HLG video. I still expect HDMI 2.1 to be announced next month since nothing was said about dynamic metadata or any of the new 3D audio formats.

http://www.hdmi.org/manufacturer/hdmi_2_0/index.aspx
http://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.ph...&postcount=787

"NOTICE: Previously, HDMI Specification Version 2.0b (HDMI 2.0b) only supported HDR (High Dynamic Range) video transport in the SMPTE ST 2084 EOTF (as applied in the media profile commonly known as HDR10), by referencing the CTA861.3 specification. The Consumer Technology Association (CTA) has recently notified the HDMI Forum of the adoption of a new version of the CTA-861 Specification, CTA-861-G. This new version provides additional support for HDR Video transport by including (among others) an extension to the static metadata signaling to include the HLG (Hybrid Log Gamma) EOTF. The HDMI Forum has assessed the applicability of the CTA-861-G Specification to HDMI 2.0b. The HDMI Forum has confirmed that the extension of the static metadata signaling to include HLG can be utilized under the existing HDMI 2.0b Specification. This means that HLG Video Transport functionality may be implemented on HDMI 2.0b compliant devices."

"HDMI 2.0b does not define new cables or new connectors. Current High Speed cables (Category 2 cables) are capable of carrying the increased bandwidth."


"As a firmware upgrade, HDMI 2.0b is fully backwards compatible with past versions of the High Definition Multimedia Interface."
http://www.alectro.com.au/News_Blogs...newsgroup_id=9


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A CES 2017 expectation: Interoperable HDR TV

There are many flavors of HDR.
The TV business logic should be "to manufacture and sell interoperable televisions to consumers".




I’d be very surprised if the 2017 LG OLED TVs won’t support all currently functional HDR formats (i.e. HDR10, Dolby Vision, HEVC HLG HDR and VP9-HLG / VP9-PQ YouTube HDR) due to the following facts:

. Pledge to support all major formats:
"In regards to HDR, LG has made an important pledge to support all major formats, including Dolby Vision, which other TV manufacturers have shied away from backing." [CES 2016]
http://www.theverge.com/2016/1/5/107...unced-ces-2016

. HLG demos at IFA 2016:
"LG used a HLG broadcast signal to demonstrate HDR video on one of its existing E6 OLED TVs (2016 line-up). The company says that its OLED TVs are “compatible with the full range of HDR technologies”. However, the E6 OLED model at IFA was a customized model and LG would not promise a firmware update to add HLG support to the 2016 TV line-up. "
http://www.flatpanelshd.com/focus.ph...JaoYWtELaIj.99

. YouTube HDR demos at CES 2016:
"LG has also teamed up with a number of major global content providers to ensure that the best streaming content is readily available for HDR viewing. Visitors to the LG booth will also be able to experience YouTube’s HDR content for the first time, demonstrated using Google’s VP9-Profile 2 codec. YouTube will start to provide HDR playback through their TV app later this year."
http://www.lg.com/au/press-release/l...ontent-in-2016


As the industry is unable to reach a consensus on HDR, a (2017) HDR TV shall support all HDR formats in the same way AVRs have universal support for audio formats.



No more industry-driven HDR TV incompatible with other HDR content, but consumer-driven interoperable HDR TV able to play any HDR content!
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Your Samsung TV now supports YouTube HDR - if you're lucky:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarch.../#1848e9962535

"Samsung has announced that from today (December 20th 2016) it will begin rolling out a new firmware update to some of its TVs that will enable them to play high dynamic range (HDR) videos from YouTube."

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Universal HDR-compliant displays

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Your Samsung TV now supports YouTube HDR - if you're lucky:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarch.../#1848e9962535



"Samsung has announced that from today (December 20th 2016) it will begin rolling out a new firmware update to some of its TVs that will enable them to play high dynamic range (HDR) videos from YouTube."


I wonder if it is a newer version. We've had YouTube HDR since 3 updates ago.


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VP9-PQ (aka VP9-HDR10) YouTube HDR as well as VP9-HLG YouTube HDR?
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"NOTICE: Previously, HDMI Specification Version 2.0b (HDMI 2.0b) only supported HDR (High Dynamic Range) video transport in the SMPTE ST 2084 EOTF (as applied in the media profile commonly known as HDR10), by referencing the CTA861.3 specification. The Consumer Technology Association (CTA) has recently notified the HDMI Forum of the adoption of a new version of the CTA-861 Specification, CTA-861-G. This new version provides additional support for HDR Video transport by including (among others) an extension to the static metadata signaling to include the HLG (Hybrid Log Gamma) EOTF. The HDMI Forum has assessed the applicability of the CTA-861-G Specification to HDMI 2.0b. The HDMI Forum has confirmed that the extension of the static metadata signaling to include HLG can be utilized under the existing HDMI 2.0b Specification. This means that HLG Video Transport functionality may be implemented on HDMI 2.0b compliant devices."

"HDMI 2.0b does not define new cables or new connectors. Current High Speed cables (Category 2 cables) are capable of carrying the increased bandwidth."


"As a firmware upgrade, HDMI 2.0b is fully backwards compatible with past versions of the High Definition Multimedia Interface."
http://www.alectro.com.au/News_Blogs...newsgroup_id=9


This table is great, but the $1000 question is whether 18gbps HDMI2.0 chipsets can be upgraded to HDMI 2.1 with firmware update only or there is a hardware change required...
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"Beyond Q4, we expect the growth drivers for the connected smart TV platform will include the following. Our 4K TV SoC with leading edge features such as universal HDR, refined picture quality, and the broader selection of named brand software application available such as Roku and Google are enabling us to differentiate ourselves from the competition and gain recognition as a distinguished quality player."
[CEO of Sigma Designs – December 06, 2016 - Earnings Conference Call]
http://seekingalpha.com/article/4028...all-transcript

"Our 4K TV SoC, with leading features such as universal HDR, refined picture quality, and the broadest selection of name brand streaming content available, enabling us to differentiate ourselves from the competition and gain market share.
We are the only provider of 4K TV chip for Vizio, with shipment to TPV, Foxconn, Wistron and Amtran. This is a position that affords us ongoing growth as also high definition takes over the US market and becomes the largest portion of Vizio revenue."
[CEO of Sigma Designs – June 06, 2016 - Earnings Conference Call]
http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/topst...ipt/ar-BBtWHEX



"FREMONT, CA – (Marketwired – September 01, 2016) – Sigma Designs® (NASDAQ: SIGM), a leading provider of Smart TV platforms and IoT devices announced today its breakthrough single-chip Smart UHD TV SoC solution that improves picture quality and audio performance of while lowering board costs and meeting TV market demand for low profile form factor. Designed to be used in the highest quality UHD televisions, the new STV7804 offers a rich feature set including universal High Dynamic Range (HDR), 100/120Hz frame rates, and high performance processors.
While most competitors are working on their first generation of HDR solutions, STV7804 represents Sigma’s 3rd Generation of High Dynamic Range and Wide Color Gamut designs. This mature platform offers a universal programmable HDR Engine that supports HDR10, Dolby Vision and a new HDR standard called HLG (Hybrid Log Gamma) with Rec.2020 Wide Color Gamut."
http://www.sigmadesigns.com/news/sig...ate-converter/

As the STV7804 SoC has 10-bit VP9 decoding capabilities, it could also support VP9-PQ / VP9-HLG YouTube HDR.

As the STV7804 SoC has enough processing power required by Dolby Vision and a future Dynamic HDR is somewhat equivalent to Dolby Vision leaving out the standardization differences, a STV7804 SoC-based TV could be technically upgraded to be compatible with a future Dynamic HDR format.
So it sounds like it really makes sense to wait until UHD Bluray players with this new chip hit the market.

Sept 1 announcement makes prototypes by CES in a few weeks a long shot, but we'll see.

But those players should be available before holiday season 2017...
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This is a really interesting / valuable thread with a really dumb / inappropriate title.

DanBa, if there is any way you could change the Thread Title that would be great. 'Evolving HDR and HDMI standards' is at least one possible suggestion.

If changing thread title is not possible, you might think about starting a new thread with some of the information you have posted here (or links) and possibly skipping the poll this time around .
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The goal of this thread is to push for universal HDR TV that shall support all functional HDR formats, hence the raison d’être for such a thread title.

May be, it should be more explicit like "Consumers for universal HDR TV!" or more militant like "Stand up for universal HDR TV!"

In fact, it is not a poll, it is rather a petition: AVS doesn’t have the online petition feature.


Anyway, the goal of this thread is to create a buzz about universal HDR TV that shall support all functional HDR formats, which is IMHO obvious to the masses of consumers, and therefore to the TV makers.

I think we can’t let "what happens in the industry happens".
I think we can’t trust the industry which firstly creates a HDR format (i.e. "HDR10" =~ ST 2086 + ST 2084), then standardizes the missing dynamic metadata adaptation for consistent visual ST 2094, one of the 3 fundamental HDR building blocks.
http://danielbafr.free.fr/photos/hdrblocks.jpg

Existing functional HDR contents won’t go away, consumers should take over and require universal HDR TV that can play any existing functional HDR content.

And this consumer-driven requirement "universal HDR TV" can be technically fulfilled, because the different HDR variants are just different HDR software running on capable TV SoC like the Sigma Designs STV7804 System-on-Chip.


As the industry is unable to reach a consensus on HDR, a (2017) HDR TV shall support all HDR formats in the same way AVRs have universal support for audio formats.

I think Dolby Vision is the most accomplished HDR format due to its end-to-end (i.e. content mastering-to-content displaying) dynamic metadata display adaptation and its 12-bit encoding.
But other existing functional HDR formats (i.e. HDR10, BBC/NHK HEVC HLG HDR, VP9-HLG / VP9-PQ YouTube HDR) also provide a big picture quality jump from SDR.

At the end of the day, it is content that matters most, not content format.

I prefer music in lossless FLAC, but my music collection includes some lossy MP3 music files, otherwise unavailable in lossless format.

I cannot imagine my digital audio player doesn't support all major formats.

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HDR & HFR HDR (UltraHD Forum / DVB HDR: PQ10, HLG10)

PQ10 = HDR10 without static metadata
HLG10 = BBC/NHK HEVC HLG HDR



PQ10 = 24 / 25 / 30 / 50 / 60 fps HEVC main 10 level 5.1 HDR10 = legacy HDR10 without static metadata
HFR PQ10 = 100 / 120 fps HEVC main 10 level 5.2 HDR10 = HFR capable HDR10 without static metadata

HLG10 = 24 / 25 / 30 / 50 / 60 fps HEVC main 10 level 5.1 HLG HDR = HEVC HLG HDR
HFR HLG10 = 100 / 120 fps HEVC main 10 level 5.2 HLG HDR = HFR capable HEVC HLG HDR

https://www.dvb.org/standards#standardgroup_24




HLG deployment in North America:
http://satprnews.com/2016/12/19/trav...rth-america-2/

"LUXEMBOURG, 19 December 2016 -- SES S.A. (Euronext Paris and Luxembourg Stock Exchange: SESG) today announced that Travelxp 4K, an international travel channel, will make its Ultra HD debut next month on SES’s growing Ultra HD distribution platform serving cable operators and multichannel television platforms throughout North America.
Offering audiences compelling stories from faraway places, the world’s first 4K travel channel, Travelxp 4K, is set to launch on the SES-1 satellite, one of a trio of SES satellites (SES-1, SES-3, AMC-18) that are home to the region’s leading Ultra HD distribution platform.
The 4K channel follows the success of Travelxp HD, which offers 100% originally-produced premium travel and lifestyle programming distributed to over 50 million homes globally. Travelxp 4K will showcase global travel content with breathtaking images in 10 bit REC2020 color space with HLG (Hybrid Log Gamma) HDR (High Dynamic Range)."




HLG deployment in Japan:
https://twitter.com/uhd4k/status/762783054570065924
http://www.digitaltvnews.net/?p=27806

"SKY PerfecTV! to begin world’s first 4K HDR broadcast in October
4K HDR broadcasts have a wider dynamic range, particularly in the expression of the contrast between light and dark imagery, and enable even more true-to-life depictions. For its 4K HDR broadcasts, SKY Perfect JSAT adopted the Hybrid Log-Gamma (HLG) standard, which was co-developed by the public broadcasters NHK (Japan Broadcasting Corporation) and BBC (British Broadcasting Corporation). Moreover, while there is a variety of HDR techniques, HLG was developed as the most suitable format for broadcasting and HLG became an international standard in July this year. In response to the October commencement of 4K HDR broadcasts, a software update for Toshiba’s 4K Regza Z20X series is scheduled to become available for download from late August. The products of other companies are also scheduled to sequentially become 4K HDR-capable from this autumn."



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Atsc 3.0 & hfr

ATSC 3.0 also supports HFR:
https://frames-per-second.appspot.com/
http://atsc.org/wp-content/uploads/2...Video-HEVC.pdf
http://atsc.org/pdf/conference/ATSC%...o%20System.pdf

"HEVC encoded ATSC 3.0 Progressive Video shall comply with the following constraints:
• The bitstream shall conform to HEVC Main 10 Profile or HEVC Scalable Main 10 Profile, Main Tier, Level 5.2.
• The color space container shall be Rec.709 or Rec.2020.
• The color subsampling shall be 4:2:0."





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High-quality TV for the masses

High-quality TV for the masses functional for many years to come:
. 4K Higher Resolution
. Bit Depth: 10 / 12 bits
. WCG
. HFR: up to 120 fps
. HDR: Universal HDR TV able to play any existing HDR content





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Dolby Vision titles on Ultra HD Blu-ray in early 2017

"Jan 4, 2017 - LAS VEGAS--(BUSINESS WIRE)-- Dolby Laboratories Inc., Lionsgate, Universal Pictures Home Entertainment, and Warner Bros. Home Entertainment today announced plans to release content mastered in Dolby Vision for Ultra HD Blu-ray™, which will give consumers greater access to a growing catalog of Dolby Vision content worldwide."
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HDMI Forum Announces Version 2.1 Of The HDMI Specification

HDMI 2.1:
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-relea...300384117.html

. Support of open standard SMPTE ST 2094 dynamic metadata
. Support of HFR 120 fps

"LAS VEGAS, Jan. 4, 2017 /PRNewswire/ -- HDMI Forum, Inc. today announced the upcoming release of Version 2.1 of the HDMI Specification. This latest HDMI Specification supports a range of Higher Video Resolutions and refresh rates including 8K60 and 4K120, Dynamic HDR, and increased bandwidth with a new 48G cable.
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The new specification will be available to all HDMI 2.0 Adopters and they will be notified when it is released early in Q2 2017."

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Panasonic Lumix GH5 camera: a non-professional HLG content source

"A Hybrid Log Gamma designed for 4K HDR video is also slated to be released this summer. Using this you should be able to output HDR images directly from the camera to a compatible display."



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The new Panasonic GH5 camera will have an option to record in a log format, which will be nice for people who want to master in HDR. But interestingly, it will also record directly to HLG. So I guess we will start seeing a some more HLG content on YouTube. This may be the start of a new trend. I wonder how many more cameras we will see with HLG support?

http://www.newsshooter.com/2017/01/0...-up-to-180fps/
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Great, Now HDR Is Getting Confusing Too

"Back in my day, there was only one HDR. You tied an onion to your belt, which was the style at the time, and you bought a TV that said it could play HDR video. You found a HDR Blu-ray or a HDR video on Netflix or YouTube, and you watched it. But these days, you kids, with your fancy fandangled Dolby Vision and Technicolor and your Hybrid Log Gamma...
Last year, when HDR was new(er), and the basic open HDR-10 standard was the only one that was publicly available, I said it was a great reason to buy a new screen — whether it was a LCD TV or an OLED. I was wrong. It was a silly thing to say in hindsight. It's still a great reason, but it's also not as simple as just choosing a TV that has those three letters in its product description.
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If you buy a top of the line TV in 2017, chances are it will support at least three of these competing and complementary HDR standards. (Dolby Vision is fast emerging as the dark horse in this race.) But what happens in 2018, when my hypothetical Dolby Vision Pro or HDR-11 appears? It's like the silly VHS versus Betamax race all over again. And consumers — especially early adopters — are the ones that will miss out as a result.

These are things that need to happen — change is never easy, and it's often messy — but god, wouldn't it be good if everyone could just sit down together and for once decide on a single standard, like 4K, for HDR? It'd make my life easier, at least."
http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2017/01/gr...confusing-too/


That is why we, consumers, should push for universal HDR TV in the same way Audio Video Receivers have universal support for audio formats.

And this consumer-driven requirement "universal HDR TV" can be technically fulfilled, because the different HDR variants, including Dolby Vision, are just different (HDR) software running on capable (i.e. powerful enough) TV SoC like the Sigma Designs STV7804 System-on-Chip.

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These are things that need to happen — change is never easy, and it's often messy — but god, wouldn't it be good if everyone could just sit down together and for once decide on a single standard, like 4K, for HDR? It'd make my life easier, at least."
I am frankly surprised that even 4k has persisted as a quasi standard. I thought we would see 8k televisions at CES.

I would not think of Dolby Vision as a dark horse. That brand is owned by the seven major Hollywood studios + Netflix, Amazon and Vudu. All other content from outside that consortium will split between HDR10, YouTube (you left them out) and HLG.

The dark horse is HLG, and it has the most compelling reasons to succeed. Working against it though; late to the party, but has the backing of BBC, EBU and network/broadcast compatibility as well; backward compatibility with ALL display standards.

So you are right to question the rush to 4k HDR television adoption, because the other formats have a grip, a toe hold, and HLG content cannot be viewed (in HDR) on the current sets.

I therefore find myself agreeing with you and also not agreeing with you because if we were all to get together to pick just one, we lose out on simultaneous coexistence of alternative worthwhile formats. I like better your initial position to have tv sets support them all. And from this years CES announcements, it looks like you got traction! Consumers don't like format wars and are quick to pick winners and losers, so don't make it into a format war. Coexistence can work, we've seen that in audio with Dolby vs DTS, the message you sent seems to have resonated. Support them all! As long as we do that, everybody gets HDR and content creators don't get forced into doing things one way, which goes against artistic creativity.

With Sony's announcement of DV support, that leaves Samsung as the only major player not on board. They too will give in eventually, but not drop HDR10 support because it is merely an offspring of DV anyway.

You would be right to advocate delaying purchases of televisions that don't support HLG, HDMI 2.1 and BT.2100, ...and then maybe 8k..Lol ;-)

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