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I just heard from one of the US-based engineers that the company will soon make a formal announcement regarding support for HDR10+ on 2016 models. He didn't have a date for the announcement, but the formal launch event for the 2018 models is scheduled for March 7th in NYC.
Any idea if the two announcements were supposed to be one-and-the-same? obviously the 2018 lineup launch has come and gone and they didn't say anything about HDR10+ on 2016 models :-/
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Any idea if the two announcements were supposed to be one-and-the-same? obviously the 2018 lineup launch has come and gone and they didn't say anything about HDR10+ on 2016 models :-/
I asked one of the US-based engineers to look into the status of the HDR10+ announcement, and he says that as of yesterday it had not been finalized yet.

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If I am correct, Samsung has not mentioned anything regarding HDR10+ in their launch of 2018 lineup. Have they pretty much given up on this tech.? If so, its time to close this thread and move on...?
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If I am correct, Samsung has not mentioned anything regarding HDR10+ in their launch of 2018 lineup. Have they pretty much given up on this tech.? If so, its time to close this thread and move on...?

It's right on the model info on the website.

At ces, they said hdr10+ disc's wouldn't be out til summer, or March at the very very earliest. Right now it's probably a matter of disc authoring. We'll have to wait a few more months before writing it off.
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If I am correct, Samsung has not mentioned anything regarding HDR10+ in their launch of 2018 lineup. Have they pretty much given up on this tech.? If so, its time to close this thread and move on...?

It's right on the model info on the website.

At ces, they said hdr10+ disc's wouldn't be out til summer, or March at the very very earliest. Right now it's probably a matter of disc authoring. We'll have to wait a few more months before writing it off.
I just mean if I was heavily invested in it, Id have expected a lot or some tech demos of it by now by Samsung, especially since the TVs capable of it are a year old now. But to me, its pretty ho hum launch of HDR10+. Maybe if they rebrand and relaunch the whole thing with content, itll gain some momentum. Otherwise, not looking good so far how Samsung and Amazon have handled things.

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I just mean if I was heavily invested in it, Id have expected a lot or some tech demos of it by now by Samsung, especially since the TVs capable of it are a year old now. But to me, its pretty ho hum launch of HDR10+. Maybe if they rebrand and relaunch the whole thing with content, itll gain some momentum. Otherwise, not looking good so far how Samsung and Amazon have handled things.
Agreed, it's certainly been a farce.

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Good...maybe 2018 will finally be the year of HDR consolidation.
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Good...maybe 2018 will finally be the year of HDR consolidation.
Hopefully they fix DV. They can't even get a supposedly superior format consistent. Raised blacks, crushed black, excessive grain, video dimming, etc....

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Hopefully they fix DV. They can't even get a supposedly superior format consistent. Raised blacks, crushed black, excessive grain, video dimming, etc....

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I asked about this a couple of weeks ago, but was only given an unusually vague"bug fixes" response. Another source confirmed they're still trying to resolve the DirecTV issue, but he didn't have any new information on HDR10+ for 2016 TVs. Meanwhile, the SK R&D head confirmed that the hardware (SoC perhaps?) in the 2016 sets is not "currently compatible" with HDR10+ as it exists now. It is my understanding that Amazon Prime is using a version of HDR10+ that, at the time the service launched, hadn't been "certified". And I was not able to confirm for Samsung whether or not it works on the 2017 models (I had a text from one of the directors the week after Amazon's PR piece appeared, asking me to test the service). As I posted previously, after checking every UHD/HDR title on Prime, I found that none of the title description pages displayed the HDR10+ badge that Amazon says should appear for "compatible" TVs.


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Cool Is HDR10+ actually an improvement? Anyone know?

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I just mean if I was heavily invested in it, Id have expected a lot or some tech demos of it by now by Samsung, especially since the TVs capable of it are a year old now. But to me, its pretty ho hum launch of HDR10+. Maybe if they rebrand and relaunch the whole thing with content, itll gain some momentum. Otherwise, not looking good so far how Samsung and Amazon have handled things.
So let me ask this question again. Does anyone who knows - meaning someone who has actually seen HDR10+ on their Samsung TV - think it is a significant improvement? Any improvement, at all? FWIW, we have a 2016 KS9800 and sometimes the picture is so bright that we can actually feel heat from the screen from 8-10 feet away (or so it seems). I've read here that HDR10+ would not add much to that picture. But I'm not impressed with Dolby Vision either, from what little I have seen - and HDR itself, is barely an improvement. IMHO. I do see the benefits of 4K and a bright TV, but dynamic range/contrast enhancers still have a long way to go from where I sit.
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So let me ask this question again. Does anyone who knows - meaning someone who has actually seen HDR10+ on their Samsung TV - think it is a significant improvement?
But that's the problem. As far as we know, no-one has been able to demonstrate that ANY of the Amazon Prime Video streams are actually HDR10+ yet, anywhere in the world. Amazon themselves say this on the subject:

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  • HDR10+*- Select UHD Samsung TVs (2017 and later models) can stream Prime Video content In the HDR10+ format. If your television is compatible, and the Prime Video title supports it, an "HDR10+" label appears instead of the normal "HDR" label in the video details.
  • Dolby Vision*– Certain HDR titles feature Dolby Vision, which is the Dolby Labs HDR standard. For these titles, a "Dolby Vision" icon shows in the video details instead of an "HDR" label.
So, I'm still waiting for one person to post one screenshot showing the HDR10+ logo proudly displayed in the Amazon Prime Video app for one HDR title. Until I see that, as far as I'm concerned, all the people with Samsung 2017 TVs who think they are getting HDR10+ are only really seeing a placebo effect.

TL;DR - even if you have a Samsung 2017 TV, if it's not displaying the HDR10+ logo on the page on Amazon where you press play and next to where it says "subtitles" and "5.1" etc - it's not an HDR10+ stream.

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But that's the problem. As far as we know, no-one has been able to demonstrate that ANY of the Amazon Prime Video streams are actually HDR10+ yet, anywhere in the world. Amazon themselves say this on the subject:

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201648150&sa-no-redirect=1


So, I'm still waiting for one person to post one screenshot showing the HDR10+ logo proudly displayed in the Amazon Prime Video app for one HDR title. Until I see that, as far as I'm concerned, all the people with Samsung 2017 TVs who think they are getting HDR10+ are only really seeing a placebo effect.

TL;DR - even if you have a Samsung 2017 TV, if it's not displaying the HDR10+ logo on the page on Amazon where you press play and next to where it says "subtitles" and "5.1" etc - it's not an HDR10+ stream.
So the format has not arrived yet. That's the only logical conclusion. By the time it does, it will be replaced by something else, and certainly by the 2019 models. I've put 2021 on my TV buying calendar.
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The launch of HDR10+
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On the HDR10+ news front:
https://hdguru.com/hdr10-ultra-hd-bl...ab-convention/

Still mostly a lot of marketing and little of anything real, especially while Samsung is the only vendor to throw their full weight behind it.

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As has been said here and other places, Dolby got there first and Dolby is ubiquitous in the cinema space, and the DoVi production pipeline will gladly make an industry standard HDR10 version. So I really don't see how most studios have much of an incentive to care about HDR10+.

In the meantime my 2016 Sammy remains missing support for HDR10+ at all, and HLG support from external sources
HDR10+ I care less about, since HDR10 seems just fine for bright LED-LCDs. HLG is a bummer since that's fast becoming a standard for live TV.
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I hope the great unwashed masses will be deemed worthy of a demonstration.
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But that's the problem. As far as we know, no-one has been able to demonstrate that ANY of the Amazon Prime Video streams are actually HDR10+ yet, anywhere in the world. Amazon themselves say this on the subject:

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201648150&sa-no-redirect=1


So, I'm still waiting for one person to post one screenshot showing the HDR10+ logo proudly displayed in the Amazon Prime Video app for one HDR title. Until I see that, as far as I'm concerned, all the people with Samsung 2017 TVs who think they are getting HDR10+ are only really seeing a placebo effect.

TL;DR - even if you have a Samsung 2017 TV, if it's not displaying the HDR10+ logo on the page on Amazon where you press play and next to where it says "subtitles" and "5.1" etc - it's not an HDR10+ stream.
How about this sample? It looks retina burning stunning on my Samsung S8+ phone. I'll download and try on my 2016 KS8000 via USB but I don't know how I could tell if it is HDR10+ or just HDR10.


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How about this sample? It looks retina burning stunning on my Samsung S8+ phone. I'll download and try on my 2016 KS8000 via USB but I don't know how I could tell if it is HDR10+ or just HDR10.
You can't tell.

But, even if that video ever was HDR10+, the upload to YouTube will have removed the HDR10+-ness. YouTube doesn't support HDR10+. The only thing that's HDR10+ about that, is one word in the title

I subscribe to her YouTube channel and she is not afraid to experiment with many different types of grading which is great. But that's not a downloadable HDR10+ demo.

(YouTube will never support what we want: a downloadable mp4 file where MediaInfo confirms that is it REALLY HDR10+. It's now one and a half years since the first public HDR10+ demo. Still not ONE downloadable clip in the entire world.)
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You can't tell.

But, even if that video ever was HDR10+, the upload to YouTube will have removed the HDR10+-ness. YouTube doesn't support HDR10+. The only thing that's HDR10+ about that, is one word in the title

I subscribe to her YouTube channel and she is not afraid to experiment with many different types of grading which is great. But that's not a downloadable HDR10+ demo.

(YouTube will never support what we want: a downloadable mp4 file where MediaInfo confirms that is it REALLY HDR10+. It's now one and a half years since the first public HDR10+ demo. Still not ONE downloadable clip in the entire world.)
For what it's worth, I sent it to my TV using Samsung Smartlink and it was a very nice HDR video, but as you say, unlikely 10+.

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But that's the problem. As far as we know, no-one has been able to demonstrate that ANY of the Amazon Prime Video streams are actually HDR10+ yet, anywhere in the world. Amazon themselves say this on the subject:

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201648150&sa-no-redirect=1


So, I'm still waiting for one person to post one screenshot showing the HDR10+ logo proudly displayed in the Amazon Prime Video app for one HDR title. Until I see that, as far as I'm concerned, all the people with Samsung 2017 TVs who think they are getting HDR10+ are only really seeing a placebo effect.

TL;DR - even if you have a Samsung 2017 TV, if it's not displaying the HDR10+ logo on the page on Amazon where you press play and next to where it says "subtitles" and "5.1" etc - it's not an HDR10+ stream.
Is there any evidence anyone with a 2018 set has gotten the HDR10+ logo to activate on Amazon? I've been searching and have not found it yet.
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Is there any evidence anyone with a 2018 set has gotten the HDR10+ logo to activate on Amazon? I've been searching and have not found it yet.
My Q9FN arrives today. I'll be sure to check and report back.
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Thanks, great! Other users with 2017 sets have never seen it - but yours will be the first 2018 set that to my knowledge we have checked. Congrats on the new TV by the way!

Unless and until I see a [picture of a] HDR10+ logo on the TV screen, I will not believe that any content they are actually streaming is HDR10+; instead I think that press release was just an over-optimistic premature press release, and it didn't/doesn't reflect what is actually being streamed.

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Just checked a couple episodes of The Grand Tour season 2 and it’s just HDR and I checked Man in the High Castle season 2 and it’s also just HDR. Sorry fellas. Any other shows to check?

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Just checked The Tick and it’s also just HDR...
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Just checked The Tick and it’s also just HDR...
Thanks for checking and posting the results.

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On the HDR10+ news front:
https://hdguru.com/hdr10-ultra-hd-bl...ab-convention/

Still mostly a lot of marketing and little of anything real, especially while Samsung is the only vendor to throw their full weight behind it.

I think this excerpt is rather telling:



As has been said here and other places, Dolby got there first and Dolby is ubiquitous in the cinema space, and the DoVi production pipeline will gladly make an industry standard HDR10 version. So I really don't see how most studios have much of an incentive to care about HDR10+.

In the meantime my 2016 Sammy remains missing support for HDR10+ at all, and HLG support from external sources
HDR10+ I care less about, since HDR10 seems just fine for bright LED-LCDs. HLG is a bummer since that's fast becoming a standard for live TV.
DV and HDR10+ have significantly different scopes. DV is trying to be a complete motion picture production and distribution pipeline, whereas HDR10+ is just trying to standardize how HDR televisions manage highlights. The way HDR10+ works is that it analyzes the distribution of luminance on a scene-by-scene basis and uses that information to generate a highlight compression curve suited to the max luminance of your television. With HDR10+ you should get consistently predictable and good management of highlights across all televisions/content that utilize it. That's pretty much all it is intended to do. DV works differently in that tries to tone map the entire image range to any display, even potentially down to SDR. That is a much more challenging problem. Whereas HDR10+ will only rolloff highlights, DV will adjust everything from the shadows up through the midtones and highlights according to their algorithm for preserving color appearance and information in the image. How much does this matter? Both DV and HDR10+ have diminishing value as the luminance of your television approaches that of the mastering monitor. DV's processing is more powerful and should be more capable at mapping very bright HDR content down to much dimmer displays than HDR10+, but its complexity also means there is more potential for something to go wrong, and potentially not get implemented correctly. HDR10+ is simpler, should be more reliable, but also has been designed around some assumptions about how bright televisions are and also that majority of image content (specifically the average picture level) does not have a super high luminance. Extreme edge cases, such as (a) you have an "HDR" television that is actually not very bright and/or (b) the content creators went wild and graded the movie super bright, may not perform so well. Having said all this, HDR10+ could be attractive to content creators because it should cut back on the extra time that DV currently requires a colorist to spend on trim passes and QC. And what about HDR10 without dynamic metadata? The problem with vanilla HDR10 is that most studios are very wary of releasing anything in HDR10 that goes over 1000 nits since they have no way of knowing what televisions will do to those very bright values (except that it will probably be bad). So if you want more than 1000 nits then you generally need either DV or HDR10+ to provide the extra metadata for managing it.

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