HDR10+ Debuts on Amazon Prime Video & Samsung 2017 UHD TVs - Page 26 - AVS Forum | Home Theater Discussions And Reviews
Forum Jump: 
 1271Likes
Reply
 
Thread Tools
post #751 of 1154 Old 08-14-2018, 07:25 AM
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Washington, DC area
Posts: 97
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 79 Post(s)
Liked: 22
Quote:
Originally Posted by ray0414 View Post
I just got a 2018 Samsung 75Q9FN last week via a huge discount through a friend. Another friend took advantage of my discount and got the 65Q9FN. He's leaving the TV at my house for a few weeks cause he's going on vacation Friday. I have free reign to open the 65 and set it side by side with my 75. So I can test hdr10+ with hdr10 side by side on the same model TV I just gotta get around to getting it out of the box and setting it up myself. (had help with the 75" cause it's way too big to do alone). I plan to use the Roku Ultra for regular HDR10 when I compare.
Really looking forward to this side-by-side analysis!
Terminader likes this.
tvwatcher12345 is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #752 of 1154 Old 08-14-2018, 12:27 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
mrtickleuk's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Birmingham, UK - you know, the original one!
Posts: 7,059
Mentioned: 180 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4858 Post(s)
Liked: 7150
Quote:
Originally Posted by ray0414 View Post
I just got a 2018 Samsung 75Q9FN last week via a huge discount through a friend. Another friend took advantage of my discount and got the 65Q9FN. He's leaving the TV at my house for a few weeks cause he's going on vacation Friday. I have free reign to open the 65 and set it side by side with my 75. So I can test hdr10+ with hdr10 side by side on the same model TV I just gotta get around to getting it out of the box and setting it up myself. (had help with the 75" cause it's way too big to do alone). I plan to use the Roku Ultra for regular HDR10 when I compare.
That's a great plan and thanks for being willing to try, but there is no HDR10+ content for you to compare with! Remember: Amazon isn't streaming HDR10+ yet, contrary to all the wishful press releases and unattributed "assurances" from anonymous people (who won't put their name to such a claim, but pay the likes of John Archer to print it on his website).

If you don't see THIS logo actually on the screen inside the Amazon app on either of the Q9FNs, then what is on Amazon is NOT HDR10+...



https://smile.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201648150&sa-no-redirect=1
Quote:
Prime Video Title Availability
HDR Prime Video titles are offered in two (sic - should be 3) formats:
  • HDR (sic - should be "HDR10")*- HDR titles feature an "HDR" label as well as HDR purchase and viewing options in the video details.
  • HDR10+*- Select UHD Samsung TVs (2017 and later models) can stream Prime Video content In the HDR10+ format. If your television is compatible, and the Prime Video title supports it, an "HDR10+" label appears instead of the normal "HDR" label in the video details.
  • Dolby Vision*– Certain HDR titles feature Dolby Vision, which is the Dolby Labs HDR standard. For these titles, a "Dolby Vision" icon shows in the video details instead of an "HDR" label.
If it was a normal format, then 2 years after it was first seen at trade shows, we would have ONE, or more than ONE, downloadable demo clip to use. But we do not even have ONE.

_______________
Denon AVR-X4200W, Arcam Alpha 8P; 5.1.4 setup: Mission 702e, M7C1i, 77DS, 731. Rel T5 Sub. Monitor Audio CT165 4 Tops | LG OLED55C8PLA TV | Samsung UBD-K8500 UHD Blu-Ray

HDMI 2.0 4K modes | Dolby & DTS core+outer audio tracks on (UHD) Blu-Rays | Hello to Jason Isaacs

Last edited by mrtickleuk; 08-14-2018 at 12:31 PM.
mrtickleuk is offline  
post #753 of 1154 Old 08-14-2018, 01:41 PM
AVS Forum Addicted Member
 
ray0414's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: michigan
Posts: 16,817
Mentioned: 259 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 12671 Post(s)
Liked: 11901
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrtickleuk View Post
That's a great plan and thanks for being willing to try, but there is no HDR10+ content for you to compare with! Remember: Amazon isn't streaming HDR10+ yet, contrary to all the wishful press releases and unattributed "assurances" from anonymous people (who won't put their name to such a claim, but pay the likes of John Archer to print it on his website).

If you don't see THIS logo actually on the screen inside the Amazon app on either of the Q9FNs, then what is on Amazon is NOT HDR10+...



https://smile.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201648150&sa-no-redirect=1


If it was a normal format, then 2 years after it was first seen at trade shows, we would have ONE, or more than ONE, downloadable demo clip to use. But we do not even have ONE.

I'm not sold on that theory. Just because it's not properly labeled doesn't mean 100% that it's not there. Haven't others contacted Amazon and they're basically being lazy or refusing to change their labels?

I did do some comparison last night on my tv switching between the Roku and my internal app, the colors were alot more natural on my tv app and a little more vibrant, but the Roku had messed up black levels with all content, not just Amazon. Skin tons on Amazon hdr were pushing yellowish on the Roku but looked very good through the TV app. Will investigate more soon.
ray0414 is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #754 of 1154 Old 08-14-2018, 08:42 PM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2018
Location: Brisbane
Posts: 204
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 104 Post(s)
Liked: 42
I emailed Amazon, maybe a month back about HDR10+, and they told me that its not available yet.


Try emailing them to see if that is still the case.



I also agree that once it is out there, it will show HDR10+, as if you spend all that money on a spec, you do everything in your power to promote it.
mrtickleuk likes this.

Denon X3200W
Bower & Wilkins HTM72 Centre, M1 & PV1 Sub
Samsung 2014 75 inch and Samsung 2018 NU8000 82 inch 4K
QED Speaker Cables and HDMI
Bryn23 is offline  
post #755 of 1154 Old 08-15-2018, 09:34 AM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2018
Posts: 285
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 197 Post(s)
Liked: 82
HDR 10+ is dead

Amazon going DV for their biggest release

https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarc.../#310f726a5514
AVS Commenter is offline  
post #756 of 1154 Old 08-15-2018, 09:49 AM
Advanced Member
 
Quicksilv3r's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Orangeville Canada
Posts: 852
Mentioned: 12 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 473 Post(s)
Liked: 362
Quote:
Originally Posted by AVS Commenter View Post
HDR 10+ is dead



Amazon going DV for their biggest release



https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarc.../#310f726a5514


Doesn’t mean it’s dead. If you read all the way to the bottom, the person says they’ve reached out to Amazon to get an update on HDR10+. No sweat off my back if they do or don’t support HDR10+. I’ve seen some DV vs vanilla HDR and honestly, there isn’t much of a difference, so I personally don’t feel like I’m missing anything with DV or HDR10+


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

tv: Samsung UN75MU800, Receiver: Denon AVR 730H, speakers: 4x M&K S-1B and M&K S85c for center, sub: MKsound V12 HTPC, Samsung UBP-K8500, Rogers Digital PVR, Chromecast Ultra
Quicksilv3r is offline  
post #757 of 1154 Old 08-15-2018, 10:08 AM
AVS Forum Addicted Member
 
ray0414's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: michigan
Posts: 16,817
Mentioned: 259 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 12671 Post(s)
Liked: 11901
Quote:
Originally Posted by AVS Commenter View Post
HDR 10+ is dead

Amazon going DV for their biggest release

https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarc.../#310f726a5514


Story updated. Amazon told John that it have both hdr10+ and Dolby Vision.

In John's other comments, he mentions that the current hdr10+ implementation on Amazon isn't the official hdr10+(he was told this by Amazon) , might be why it's not labeled?
ray0414 is offline  
post #758 of 1154 Old 08-15-2018, 10:57 AM
AVS Forum Addicted Member
 
ray0414's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: michigan
Posts: 16,817
Mentioned: 259 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 12671 Post(s)
Liked: 11901
This is a quick comparison I got from my tv app vs the Roku Ultra (hdr)

don't know if the Roku just flat out sucks (it has raised blacks and not as sharp with all content).

this was same tv/same settings, haven't done the side by sides yet.

Roku Ultra (HDR10):



Built in tv app (claimed to be HDR10+ or a version of it)

82Q90R*75Q9FN(RIP)*55C8OLED*Galaxy Note10+*Ub820 fed into Oppo 203*XB1X*4k DenonX4200

MASTER LIST OF HDR CONTENT THREAD HERE, UPDATED OFTEN

Last edited by ray0414; 08-15-2018 at 11:05 AM.
ray0414 is offline  
post #759 of 1154 Old 08-15-2018, 10:59 AM
Advanced Member
 
Quicksilv3r's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Orangeville Canada
Posts: 852
Mentioned: 12 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 473 Post(s)
Liked: 362
Quote:
Originally Posted by ray0414 View Post
This is a quick comparison I got from my tv app vs the Roku Ultra (hdr)



don't know if the Roku just flat out sucks (it has raised blacks and not as sharp with all content).



this was same tv/same settings, haven't done the side by sides yet.



Roku Ultra:







Built in tv app (claimed to be HDR10+ or a version of it)



Judging by that, the shadow on the girl is a lot more black on the tv built in app. And the overall black levels seem to be better which is an HDR feature.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

tv: Samsung UN75MU800, Receiver: Denon AVR 730H, speakers: 4x M&K S-1B and M&K S85c for center, sub: MKsound V12 HTPC, Samsung UBP-K8500, Rogers Digital PVR, Chromecast Ultra
Quicksilv3r is offline  
post #760 of 1154 Old 08-15-2018, 02:01 PM
Advanced Member
 
Chuck Ebby's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Frostbite Falls
Posts: 559
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 318 Post(s)
Liked: 572
Quote:
Originally Posted by ray0414 View Post
I'm not sold on that theory. Just because it's not properly labeled doesn't mean 100% that it's not there. Haven't others contacted Amazon and they're basically being lazy or refusing to change their labels?

I did do some comparison last night on my tv switching between the Roku and my internal app, the colors were alot more natural on my tv app and a little more vibrant, but the Roku had messed up black levels with all content, not just Amazon. Skin tons on Amazon hdr were pushing yellowish on the Roku but looked very good through the TV app. Will investigate more soon.
Vudu HDR10 looks great on Roku so I don't think the problem is Roku. We have been getting great results on our built-in Amazon app (The Tick, The Man in the High Castle, etc) on our KS sets for some time vs what we see on Roku. That doesn't mean we are seeing it in HDR10+.

Amazon has been (intentionally?) messing with how Roku displays their app. For awhile they were only allowing 1080p via Roku. Last night Amazon wouldn't even allow me to purchase an episode of Colony or play it thru the Roku app.
galonzo and mrtickleuk like this.

_________________
Samsung KS8000 TV, Samsung UBD-K8500 Blu Ray, Roku Streaming Stick+ (4K/HDR) 3810x, Denon AVR-S720W, Directv HR54 and 4K Genie Mini
Chuck Ebby is offline  
post #761 of 1154 Old 08-15-2018, 02:19 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
mrtickleuk's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Birmingham, UK - you know, the original one!
Posts: 7,059
Mentioned: 180 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4858 Post(s)
Liked: 7150
Quote:
Originally Posted by ray0414 View Post
I'm not sold on that theory. Just because it's not properly labeled doesn't mean 100% that it's not there.
Fair enough, and equally, just because a few web pages claim "don't worry, it's there even without the label" doesn't mean even 1% that it is true.

Quote:
Haven't others contacted Amazon and they're basically being lazy or refusing to change their labels?
I referred to that in the post you quoted!
Quote:
unattributed "assurances" from anonymous people (who won't put their name to such a claim, but pay the likes of John Archer to print it on his website).
I was specifically writing about the "update" to that story, from the anonymous person at Amazon who "reassured" John (with no proof whatsoever to back it up that John wants to share, such as their name or job title).

One half of Amazon should speak to the other.

But this is the company that buries its HDR10 content deep down inside hidden doubled-up titles in their catalogue with "Ultra HD" tagged on the end of the title, because their system STILL can't handle one title in more than one video format(!). I don't think making things easy or clear for the customer is part of their plan, unfortunately.

I come back to the point that after a staggering two years there is not even one downloadable demo HDR10+ clip, not even a "boring" one from Tom Roper, Florian Friedrich, Stacey Spears, etc.

ps just to be clear my frustration is with Amazon/Samsung (and to a lesser extent John Archer for letting them get away with it cos he wants hits on his articles) not anyone here
Rudy1 and Chuck Ebby like this.

_______________
Denon AVR-X4200W, Arcam Alpha 8P; 5.1.4 setup: Mission 702e, M7C1i, 77DS, 731. Rel T5 Sub. Monitor Audio CT165 4 Tops | LG OLED55C8PLA TV | Samsung UBD-K8500 UHD Blu-Ray

HDMI 2.0 4K modes | Dolby & DTS core+outer audio tracks on (UHD) Blu-Rays | Hello to Jason Isaacs

Last edited by mrtickleuk; 08-15-2018 at 02:25 PM.
mrtickleuk is offline  
post #762 of 1154 Old 08-15-2018, 03:20 PM
AVS Forum Addicted Member
 
ray0414's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: michigan
Posts: 16,817
Mentioned: 259 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 12671 Post(s)
Liked: 11901
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuck Ebby View Post
Vudu HDR10 looks great on Roku so I don't think the problem is Roku. We have been getting great results on our built-in Amazon app (The Tick, The Man in the High Castle, etc) on our KS sets for some time vs what we see on Roku. That doesn't mean we are seeing it in HDR10+.

Amazon has been (intentionally?) messing with how Roku displays their app. For awhile they were only allowing 1080p via Roku. Last night Amazon wouldn't even allow me to purchase an episode of Colony or play it thru the Roku app.


Another guy on Twitter told me here's alot of complaints on other forums about Rokus having slightly washed out pictures.

I just picked up an Amazon fire TV with HDR, so we'll see how Amazon hdr looks through that.
ray0414 is offline  
post #763 of 1154 Old 08-15-2018, 04:05 PM
Advanced Member
 
Chuck Ebby's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Frostbite Falls
Posts: 559
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 318 Post(s)
Liked: 572
Quote:
Originally Posted by ray0414 View Post
Another guy on Twitter told me here's alot of complaints on other forums about Rokus having slightly washed out pictures.

I just picked up an Amazon fire TV with HDR, so we'll see how Amazon hdr looks through that.

I have a Fire TV. Amazon looks great on it, it is after all an Amazon product, but not as good as on the Built-in app. They are trying to sell the Amazon product. Roku is a competing product.

If you see improvement on the Fire but it is not as good as the built-in app it might mislead you into thinking you are seeing HDR10+. But HDR10 just looks fantastic on some of the in house Amazon productions like The Tick, etc on the built-in app. Enough so that for a while I was positive I was seeing something more than HDR10 on my KS which, sadly, I am not.
galonzo and mrtickleuk like this.

_________________
Samsung KS8000 TV, Samsung UBD-K8500 Blu Ray, Roku Streaming Stick+ (4K/HDR) 3810x, Denon AVR-S720W, Directv HR54 and 4K Genie Mini

Last edited by Chuck Ebby; 08-16-2018 at 11:57 AM.
Chuck Ebby is offline  
post #764 of 1154 Old 08-22-2018, 09:13 PM
AVS Forum Addicted Member
 
ray0414's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: michigan
Posts: 16,817
Mentioned: 259 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 12671 Post(s)
Liked: 11901
Looks like hdr10+ is still coming, just been running behind. This article just came out about an hour or 2 ago.


"Film production company Warner Bros. will also start creating HDR10+-compatible contents, which will be available for home distribution later this year. In addition to that, Samsung partnered with Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation to standardize the HDR10+ licensing process, in order to make it easier for content creators to realize its technology, get closer to filmmaker’s creative intent and improve the viewing experience for all audiences. Twentieth Century Fox is currently exploring several titles for release and plans to announce their availability in the coming weeks."


https://news.samsung.com/global/sams..._medium=direct
ray0414 is offline  
post #765 of 1154 Old 08-23-2018, 08:11 AM
Advanced Member
 
proufo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Bogotá, Colombia
Posts: 862
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 87 Post(s)
Liked: 35
Quote:
Originally Posted by ray0414 View Post
will also start creating HDR10+-compatible contents
"HDR10+-compatible", what does that mean?

Will the content be mastered for DV and the studio will add some sort of additional data/processing for playback and display in non-DV TVs?

Will that be good enough?

Why not master/grade in HDR10+ from bit one?

I have always wondered why studios are so eager to pay royalties to Dolby.
proufo is offline  
post #766 of 1154 Old 08-23-2018, 12:55 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
mrtickleuk's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Birmingham, UK - you know, the original one!
Posts: 7,059
Mentioned: 180 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4858 Post(s)
Liked: 7150
Quote:
Originally Posted by proufo View Post
"HDR10+-compatible", what does that mean?
It means compatible with both HDRPlus and HDRMinus.

_______________
Denon AVR-X4200W, Arcam Alpha 8P; 5.1.4 setup: Mission 702e, M7C1i, 77DS, 731. Rel T5 Sub. Monitor Audio CT165 4 Tops | LG OLED55C8PLA TV | Samsung UBD-K8500 UHD Blu-Ray

HDMI 2.0 4K modes | Dolby & DTS core+outer audio tracks on (UHD) Blu-Rays | Hello to Jason Isaacs
mrtickleuk is offline  
post #767 of 1154 Old 08-23-2018, 12:57 PM
Advanced Member
 
proufo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Bogotá, Colombia
Posts: 862
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 87 Post(s)
Liked: 35
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrtickleuk View Post
It means compatible with both HDRPlus and HDRMinus.
That's quite a compatibility feat!
mrtickleuk likes this.
proufo is offline  
post #768 of 1154 Old 08-23-2018, 04:00 PM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2018
Location: Brisbane
Posts: 204
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 104 Post(s)
Liked: 42
Well thats the first positive news about the format in a while.

It did take DV a while to get content sorted after DV release, so its only natural it is going to take HDR10+ a while to catch up.

Time will tell how this plays out.

Denon X3200W
Bower & Wilkins HTM72 Centre, M1 & PV1 Sub
Samsung 2014 75 inch and Samsung 2018 NU8000 82 inch 4K
QED Speaker Cables and HDMI
Bryn23 is offline  
post #769 of 1154 Old 08-28-2018, 07:27 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
galonzo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: most usually, somewhere in the midwest...
Posts: 2,194
Mentioned: 157 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1373 Post(s)
Liked: 1781
@ray0414 , it's now officially reported on by Engadget:
https://www.engadget.com/2018/08/28/...samsung-4k-tv/

Main: UN78HU9000/SEK-3500 | X4200W (Klipsch/HSU 5.1.2) | UDP-203 (fw 65-0131) | TiVo Bolt | Roku P+
2nd: UN65JS9500 | LG LAS855M | UBD-K8500 | Chromecast Ultra | AppleTV4K | TiVo Mini
3rd: 65P-F1 | Klipsch HDT-SB3 | UBP-X700 | Tivo Roamio | AppleTV4K
FS - UHD Digital codes (and some HD codes)
galonzo is offline  
post #770 of 1154 Old 08-28-2018, 09:10 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
mrtickleuk's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Birmingham, UK - you know, the original one!
Posts: 7,059
Mentioned: 180 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4858 Post(s)
Liked: 7150
Quote:
Originally Posted by galonzo View Post
@ray0414 , it's now officially reported on by Engadget:
https://www.engadget.com/2018/08/28/...samsung-4k-tv/
I like that article. This time, there are no lies about content on Amazon which doesn't exist. No "anonymous assurances" from people inside Amazon/Samsung repeated without proof. We now have a proper standard of journalism

Quote:
That means if you buy a new 4K TV from Samsung or Panasonic, you'll soon be able to watch programs that look better than those encoded with regular HDR10.
Soon. In the future. Because at the moment, there is no content. If there was content on Amazon Prime, that's where it would have been mentioned. This isn't a mistake in the article: it is re-enforced at the end:

Quote:
While your new TV might have HDR10+, you'll have to wait for something to watch. Only 20th Century Fox and Warner Bros. are currently on board, and no programs are yet encoded, let alone available to buy or stream. With the hardware available, however, we should hear content announcements soon.
ps. This thread's title is still wrong. Uses present tense for something in the far future.
pps. Owners of 2016 Samsungs, we already know got screwed over (in the sense of no HDR10+ support). But now it seems that owners of 2017 Samsungs are going to be screwed as well! No mention of support for 2017 owners!!!
Rudy1, mtucker, galonzo and 1 others like this.

_______________
Denon AVR-X4200W, Arcam Alpha 8P; 5.1.4 setup: Mission 702e, M7C1i, 77DS, 731. Rel T5 Sub. Monitor Audio CT165 4 Tops | LG OLED55C8PLA TV | Samsung UBD-K8500 UHD Blu-Ray

HDMI 2.0 4K modes | Dolby & DTS core+outer audio tracks on (UHD) Blu-Rays | Hello to Jason Isaacs
mrtickleuk is offline  
post #771 of 1154 Old 08-28-2018, 09:38 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
SpHeRe31459's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Sacramento, CA
Posts: 1,072
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 36 Post(s)
Liked: 38
Related, HDGuru wrote up the same info.
https://hdguru.com/hdr10-technology-...ertifications/

At the end they say:

Quote:
The company has not yet mentioned what (if any) plan it has to update firmware of 2017 and earlier Samsung 4K Ultra HD/HDR-ready televisions to support HDR10+. We are awaiting the company’s response to this question. (Check back for updates).
So maybe they'll get an answer? we shall see, but wouldn't hold my breath.
galonzo and mrtickleuk like this.
SpHeRe31459 is online now  
post #772 of 1154 Old 08-28-2018, 10:27 AM
Advanced Member
 
UnfoldingSquid's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Dallas, TX
Posts: 692
Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 510 Post(s)
Liked: 320
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrtickleuk View Post
I like that article. This time, there are no lies about content on Amazon which doesn't exist. No "anonymous assurances" from people inside Amazon/Samsung repeated without proof. We now have a proper standard of journalism



Soon. In the future. Because at the moment, there is no content. If there was content on Amazon Prime, that's where it would have been mentioned. This isn't a mistake in the article: it is re-enforced at the end:



ps. This thread's title is still wrong. Uses present tense for something in the far future.
pps. Owners of 2016 Samsungs, we already know got screwed over (in the sense of no HDR10+ support). But now it seems that owners of 2017 Samsungs are going to be screwed as well! No mention of support for 2017 owners!!!
This was updated to the end of the article:
"If you get a new 4K TV might have HDR10+, you will have something to watch, as the entire Amazon Prime Video HDR catalog is available on HDR10+. As for other content, only 20th Century Fox and Warner Bros. are currently on board, and neither have encoded any movies yet. With the hardware available now, however, we should hear content announcements soon.

Update 8/28/18 12:54 PM ET: The article originally said there was no HDR10+ content yet, but Amazon reminded us that its entire Prime HDR catalogue is available in HDR10+. The post has been updated with the correct information."

Also in regards to how much research this journalist has done, I would like to point out this sentence he wrote:
"HDR10+ does lack some Dolby Vision features, like support for super-bright 10,000 nit TVs and 12-bit color encoding, but few consumer TVs have those features yet."

Few consumer TVs have 10,000 nits and 12-bit color? How about ZERO.
ray0414 likes this.

Samsung 75Q9FN
Samsung HW-N950
Samsung UBD-M9500

Samsung 55Q80R - Bedroom
UnfoldingSquid is offline  
post #773 of 1154 Old 08-28-2018, 11:45 AM
AVS Forum Addicted Member
 
ray0414's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: michigan
Posts: 16,817
Mentioned: 259 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 12671 Post(s)
Liked: 11901
here is a more technical article that looks more like a press release.

https://www.mediaplaynews.com/hdr10-...ucts-adopters/


there's a link to an official list of adopters as well. Warner and Amazon aren't listed, which I wonder why, but both of them are listed in all the official releases lately (so they can't not be involved but allow their names to be used).


https://hdr10plus.org/current-adopters/
galonzo and mrtickleuk like this.

82Q90R*75Q9FN(RIP)*55C8OLED*Galaxy Note10+*Ub820 fed into Oppo 203*XB1X*4k DenonX4200

MASTER LIST OF HDR CONTENT THREAD HERE, UPDATED OFTEN
ray0414 is offline  
post #774 of 1154 Old 08-28-2018, 12:31 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
mrtickleuk's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Birmingham, UK - you know, the original one!
Posts: 7,059
Mentioned: 180 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4858 Post(s)
Liked: 7150
Quote:
Originally Posted by UnfoldingSquid View Post
This was updated to the end of the article:
"If you get a new 4K TV might have HDR10+, you will have something to watch, as the entire Amazon Prime Video HDR catalog is available on HDR10+. As for other content, only 20th Century Fox and Warner Bros. are currently on board, and neither have encoded any movies yet. With the hardware available now, however, we should hear content announcements soon.

Update 8/28/18 12:54 PM ET: The article originally said there was no HDR10+ content yet, but Amazon reminded us that its entire Prime HDR catalogue is available in HDR10+. The post has been updated with the correct information."
BOOO. It's been updated with more propaganda, they mean!

Quote:
Also in regards to how much research this journalist has done, I would like to point out this sentence he wrote:
"HDR10+ does lack some Dolby Vision features, like support for super-bright 10,000 nit TVs and 12-bit color encoding, but few consumer TVs have those features yet."

Few consumer TVs have 10,000 nits and 12-bit color? How about ZERO.
Yes, and it says colour encoding. How many TVs have 10-bit or 8-bit colour encoding? None, isn't it?
galonzo likes this.

_______________
Denon AVR-X4200W, Arcam Alpha 8P; 5.1.4 setup: Mission 702e, M7C1i, 77DS, 731. Rel T5 Sub. Monitor Audio CT165 4 Tops | LG OLED55C8PLA TV | Samsung UBD-K8500 UHD Blu-Ray

HDMI 2.0 4K modes | Dolby & DTS core+outer audio tracks on (UHD) Blu-Rays | Hello to Jason Isaacs
mrtickleuk is offline  
post #775 of 1154 Old 08-28-2018, 04:23 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Rudy1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL
Posts: 5,750
Mentioned: 190 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1966 Post(s)
Liked: 3270
Back in January, I performed extensive testing of all UHD titles available on Amazon Prime via the Smart Hub app on a 2017 Samsung Q9. Specifically, I was looking for the HDR10+ label which Amazon claims should appear in the video details screen for each UHD title. None of the titles showed this label, yet Amazon Prime's Help page still has the following info:

Prime Video Title Availability
HDR Prime Video titles are offered in two formats:

HDR - HDR titles feature an "HDR" label as well as HDR purchase and viewing options in the video details.
HDR10+ - Select UHD Samsung TVs (2017 and later models) can stream Prime Video content In the HDR10+ format. If your television is compatible, and the Prime Video title supports it, an "HDR10+" label appears instead of the normal "HDR" label in the video details.
Dolby Vision – Certain HDR titles feature Dolby Vision, which is the Dolby Labs HDR standard. For these titles, a "Dolby Vision" icon shows in the video details instead of an "HDR" label.
Note: Prime Video supports Dolby Vision on selected 2016 LG TV models. If you don't have a supported device, titles offered in Dolby Vision are also available to watch in standard HDR format.

We’re continuing to expand our selection of HDR movies and TV shows, but not all Prime Video titles are currently available with these playback options.


https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/custo...deId=201648150

If, as is currently being reported in some trade publications, the 2018 TVs do indeed support HDR10+, it stands to reason that owners of those sets should see the labeling alluded to by Amazon Prime. However, as of this date no one on the AVSF has reported seeing such labeling. Could it be that, as it has been reported previously, Amazon's "implementation" of HDR10+ is not compatible with Samsung's TVs and UHD BDPs? After all, Sony chose to use their "implementation" of Dolby Vision when they upgraded their sets for DV "compatibility", thus requiring other manufacturers to "adapt" their devices to service Sony displays using the so-called low-latency Dolby Vision profile.

https://www.avforums.com/news/sony-d...lf-baked.14501
Terminader and mrtickleuk like this.

Definition of "Stupid": Knowing the truth, seeing the truth, but still believing the lies.
Rudy1 is offline  
post #776 of 1154 Old 08-28-2018, 05:39 PM
AVS Forum Addicted Member
 
ray0414's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: michigan
Posts: 16,817
Mentioned: 259 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 12671 Post(s)
Liked: 11901
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rudy1 View Post
Back in January, I performed extensive testing of all UHD titles available on Amazon Prime via the Smart Hub app on a 2017 Samsung Q9. Specifically, I was looking for the HDR10+ label which Amazon claims should appear in the video details screen for each UHD title. None of the titles showed this label, yet Amazon Prime's Help page still has the following info:

Prime Video Title Availability
HDR Prime Video titles are offered in two formats:

HDR - HDR titles feature an "HDR" label as well as HDR purchase and viewing options in the video details.
HDR10+ - Select UHD Samsung TVs (2017 and later models) can stream Prime Video content In the HDR10+ format. If your television is compatible, and the Prime Video title supports it, an "HDR10+" label appears instead of the normal "HDR" label in the video details.
Dolby Vision – Certain HDR titles feature Dolby Vision, which is the Dolby Labs HDR standard. For these titles, a "Dolby Vision" icon shows in the video details instead of an "HDR" label.
Note: Prime Video supports Dolby Vision on selected 2016 LG TV models. If you don't have a supported device, titles offered in Dolby Vision are also available to watch in standard HDR format.

We’re continuing to expand our selection of HDR movies and TV shows, but not all Prime Video titles are currently available with these playback options.


https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/custo...deId=201648150

If, as is currently being reported in some trade publications, the 2018 TVs do indeed support HDR10+, it stands to reason that owners of those sets should see the labeling alluded to by Amazon Prime. However, as of this date no one on the AVSF has reported seeing such labeling. Could it be that, as it has been reported previously, Amazon's "implementation" of HDR10+ is not compatible with Samsung's TVs and UHD BDPs? After all, Sony chose to use their "implementation" of Dolby Vision when they upgraded their sets for DV "compatibility", thus requiring other manufacturers to "adapt" their devices to service Sony displays using the so-called low-latency Dolby Vision profile.

https://www.avforums.com/news/sony-d...lf-baked.14501


Amazon told Archer a few months back that they weren't using the official hdr10+ version since it wasn't technically finished yet, hence they maybe they wouldn't put the hdr10+ tag on it. Who knows if this true or if it's a stretch of the actual truth.
ray0414 is offline  
post #777 of 1154 Old 08-29-2018, 03:33 AM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2018
Location: Brisbane
Posts: 204
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 104 Post(s)
Liked: 42
Until i see it listed on Prime that its HDR10+ on the title, i don't believe a word of it being available.
Terminader and mrtickleuk like this.

Denon X3200W
Bower & Wilkins HTM72 Centre, M1 & PV1 Sub
Samsung 2014 75 inch and Samsung 2018 NU8000 82 inch 4K
QED Speaker Cables and HDMI
Bryn23 is offline  
post #778 of 1154 Old 08-29-2018, 09:49 AM
AVS Forum Addicted Member
 
ray0414's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: michigan
Posts: 16,817
Mentioned: 259 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 12671 Post(s)
Liked: 11901
ray0414 is offline  
post #779 of 1154 Old 08-29-2018, 09:51 AM
AVS Forum Addicted Member
 
ray0414's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: michigan
Posts: 16,817
Mentioned: 259 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 12671 Post(s)
Liked: 11901
ray0414 is offline  
post #780 of 1154 Old 08-29-2018, 10:16 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Rudy1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL
Posts: 5,750
Mentioned: 190 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1966 Post(s)
Liked: 3270
FROM TECHRADAR...

https://www.techradar.com/news/weve-...d-it-looks-ace
galonzo likes this.

Definition of "Stupid": Knowing the truth, seeing the truth, but still believing the lies.
Rudy1 is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply High Dynamic Range (HDR) & Wide Color Gamut (WCG)

Tags
Amazon , hdr10+ , Samsung

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page


Forum Jump: 

Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off