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My UHD Blu-ray Player and TV support Dolby Vision 140 25.32%
My TV supports Dolby Vision, I plan to buy a compatible UHD Blu-ray player 100 18.08%
My TV supports Dolby Vision, I do not plan to buy a compatible UHD Blu-ray player 24 4.34%
My TV supports HDR10 but not Dolby Vision. I plan to buy a TV that offers Dolby Vision 16 2.89%
My TV supports HDR10 but not Dolby Vision. I do not plan to buy a TV that offers Dolby Vision 92 16.64%
My TV is not HDR compatible. I plan to buy a TV that offers Dolby Vision 84 15.19%
My TV is not HDR compatible. I do not plan to buy a TV that offers Dolby Vision 34 6.15%
When is Dolby Vision coming to front projection? Wake me up when it does. 63 11.39%
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post #31 of 94 Old 06-21-2017, 04:03 PM
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LEGO Batman Movie. It uses the WCG palette well and is just full of scenes that pop like crazy with HDR.
Thanks! That's actually in my cart as we speak due to Ralph Potts review and now there's even more to look forward to. Is there a 4K/HDR best content thread?
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Your Marantz does not support Dolby Vision. So, you'll have to connect the player to the TV directly with one cable for the video, and the player to the Marantz with another cable for the audio. That's why your player has that second HDMI Out (Audio Only). This is a fairly common situation.
I've seen people talking about this several times recently. Is there a reason why you wouldn't be able to run one HDMI from BD player to TV, then use another HDMI on the ARC channel from your TV to send the audio down to the receiver?
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I've seen people talking about this several times recently. Is there a reason why you wouldn't be able to run one HDMI from BD player to TV, then use another HDMI on the ARC channel from your TV to send the audio down to the receiver?
You won't get full quality immersive audio like Dolby Atmos, or in many cases uncompressed multi-channel audio for that matter, if you take that approach.
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Wow! I was not expecting more than 50% for the AVS community to already have DV capable displays. "We" truly are the early adopters. I personally only have HDR10 display (KS9800) and will ride it for another 3-4 years before I upgrade as this display is more than capable in presenting stellar HDR pq. Hopefully by then, this format war between HDR10/10+ and DV is put to rest and we have a one standard way to top quality presentation. AND hopefully by then, we've settled on broader specs such as HDMI 2.1 as well.
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While for me, HDR is certainly better than NOT HDR, it's not like mind-blowingly better for me. Maybe DV will be? But I have no plans on chasing a new TV just for Dolby Vision. And I'm guessing in a year, maybe two, it'll be Dolby Vision PLUS or Super-Dolby Vision, or some other new HDR format (to go with them there 8K TVs.....), and we'll have to upgrade more stuff to get that......

In the meantime, if somebody could point me to a comparison of Despicable Me vs Despicable Me in Dolby Vision, I am interested to know what the opinions are on this.

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My next tv will support both, the SonyX940E. Everything else in the chain needs upgrading as well unfortunately, Marantz sr7009 and PS4. Heck, even my HDBASE T Extender needs an upgrade because it only supports HDMI 1.4. That's what's gonna kill me because I haven't heard a peep about HDMI 2.0b extenders in all the HDR talk. Only solution I heard of was from Atlona which isn't due out till the fall at the earliest and although their specs say hdmi 2.0b, it's not direct from the source. It uses compression to break the signal down at the transmitter end from the source, through your Cat cable then reconstructs it at the receiving end. Hope this doesn't effect the video quality whenever it comes out.
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Yes on both counts. I have a Vizio P-65 and an Oppo UDP-203. I only just last week discovered my Pioneer Elite SC-95 doesn't and won't pass Dolby Vision, which is a big bummer.
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You won't get full quality immersive audio like Dolby Atmos, or in many cases uncompressed multi-channel audio for that matter, if you take that approach.
Ah ok. I was aware of most TVs not supporting Atmos through ARC, but didn't realize getting uncompressed multichannel in general was a problem too. Is that just dependent on what your specific TV actually supports doing, as in, some TVs are capable of passing fully uncompressed multichannel through ARC, but other TVs are not?
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You won't get full quality immersive audio like Dolby Atmos, or in many cases uncompressed multi-channel audio for that matter, if you take that approach.
Ah ok. I was aware of most TVs not supporting Atmos through ARC, but didn't realize getting uncompressed multichannel in general was a problem too. Is that just dependent on what your specific TV actually supports doing, as in, some TVs are capable of passing fully uncompressed multichannel through ARC, but other TVs are not?

It's a limitation of the current hdmi spec. Hdmi 2.1 is said to bring e-arc which is support for immersive, uncompressed multi-channel audio.
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Added in my DV capable OPPO 203 and LG B6. Whether I bother to bypass my AVR depends on what DV discs show up before Yamaha updates the AVR for DV (my setup isn't easy to access) or whether I feel at loose ends and just go ahead and run the bypass. Not much incentive at this point with other things going on in my life.

Comparing the LG DV Demos with USB plugged into the TV (DV) vs the OPPO (HDR), does make it a VERY tempting proposition -- DV is clearly much superior to HDR10. But animated Minions doesn't excite me much. I will sometime probably rent at least DM2 (which I hear has the better DV image of the two). If it appeals enough, it may get me to tackle my back panel re-cable.

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In the meantime, if somebody could point me to a comparison of Despicable Me vs Despicable Me in Dolby Vision, I am interested to know what the opinions are on this.

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i haven't seen anything with current displays that wow's me in a way that make my current stuff seem unacceptable. the truth is, it feels more like 3 steps forwards, 3 steps backwards in most cases.

when the time comes that my current gear no longer works, i will obviously purchase new stuff that supports the latest formats. I just don't have any need to replace great performing gear, especially since projectors are my expected video display for critical viewing now. So really, it's not until basic cable/cheap streaming services have this or it's so ubiquitous that even my bedroom setup has DV components, that i'd even have a reason to need a DV tv.

to be honest, i'm not sure i get the whole HDR thing at all. current SDR displays already beat my eyes for dynamic range, all i want is more steps of gradation(no banding please) in between. i will do everything possible to avoid having a brighter image
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Ive seen several films in the Dolby Cinema and Im sold on the format. I already purchased my Spiderman tickets! Next year Im upgrading my TV, AVR and Oppo for DV. I haven't upgraded since 2013. I also hope to see some console video games support as well.
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Dolby Vision promises the highest fidelity video available to consumers today. Does your system support it? Do you plan to add it in the future? Click here to read more, or just vote.
Both of my TV's support Dolby Vision and HDR-10. My Sammy K8500 is HDR-10 only, but when the library of Dolby Vision Blu-ray titles becomes substantial enough, I plan to purchase a player that also supports Dolby Vision in addition to HDR-10.
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My player supports DV, my TV doesn't. I have no plans to upgrade the TV in the near future just to get DV support, but when I do upgrade it will be something I look for (along with support for as many other HDR formats I can get at the time provided they exist alongside the other features I'm looking for). HDR10 already looks stunning, but having more compatibility is always a good thing. The biggest draw for me in my next display will be going to an emissive display, so once either OLED, emissive QLED, or MicroLED become affordable in a 75"+ size I'll pull the trigger.

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Thanks! I apparently had a much earlier version of that document.

If I read this correctly, the DV profile is essentially two video streams: a baseline HEVC stream with HDR10 metadata, and a proprietary "enhancement" stream. Presumably DV-compatible hardware combines the two somehow. Non-DV hardware would simply ignore the second stream, but would still see the HDR metadata embedded in the first stream.

Very cool.
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My TV supports HDR10, but not Dolby Vision. My 4K DVD player (Oppo UDP-205) supports HDR10 and Dolby Vision. This combo is not an option presented above. The picture and sound are amazing!
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Thanks! I apparently had a much earlier version of that document.

If I read this correctly, the DV profile is essentially two video streams: a baseline HEVC stream with HDR10 metadata, and a proprietary "enhancement" stream. Presumably DV-compatible hardware combines the two somehow. Non-DV hardware would simply ignore the second stream, but would still see the HDR metadata embedded in the first stream.

Very cool.
Yes, that is exactly right.
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I have a DV capable UHD player (Oppo 203) but no DV capable display. My projector is obviously not DV capable and have no plans for purchasing a DV capable flat panel. I find even SDR BT.709 upscaled to 4K on a large cinematic screen is more immersive and compelling than the merits of HDR.

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I watch Despicable Me last night on our LG 86 SJ957T via the Oppo 203 and I find it extremely Good that good I will buy Despicable Me 2 tomorrow. The Odd thing is with Dolby Vision ( i use Dolby Vision Cinema Picture Mode) the Dynamic Contrast is set to OFF and buy using it it make it worse. Normally on any HDR 10 Movie I use (HDR Cinema) Dynamic Contrast set to Max and the Same with Local Dimming and this give the picture Good Contrast on this IPS TV. On DV the Local Dimming is set to max and I think you cannot change it.

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I've given up on HDR after seeing that there's no standard for calibration and that you have to adjust your display and/or player settings depending on the content. Is Dolby Vision actually a functional, consumer-ready technology or is it also a half-baked mess?

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I watch Despicable Me last night on our LG 86 SJ957T via the Oppo 203 and I find it extremely Good that good I will buy Despicable Me 2 tomorrow. The Odd thing is with Dolby Vision ( i use Dolby Vision Cinema Picture Mode) the Dynamic Contrast is set to OFF and buy using it it make it worse. Normally on any HDR 10 Movie I use (HDR Cinema) Dynamic Contrast set to Max and the Same with Local Dimming and this give the picture Good Contrast on this IPS TV. On DV the Local Dimming is set to max and I think you cannot change it.
i've never seen any display with any content ever look better with dynamic contrast turned on... imo, this is a feature that should have been removed from all tv's years ago.

but perhaps the algorithms or whatever decides how to mess with the contrast just isn't 'compatible' with the DV feed and screws it up completely. i mean it's not a standard 'format', it's a type of processing, essentially a 'guess' at how video settings should be adjusted for any given scene. so the engineers who designed it, may have not even had DV content to test it with.

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i've never seen any display with any content ever look better with dynamic contrast turned on... imo, this is a feature that should have been removed from all tv's years ago.

but perhaps the algorithms or whatever decides how to mess with the contrast just isn't 'compatible' with the DV feed and screws it up completely. i mean it's not a standard 'format', it's a type of processing, essentially a 'guess' at how video settings should be adjusted for any given scene. so the engineers who designed it, may have not even had DV content to test it with.
This 86 Inch IPS NEEDS Dynamic Contrast otherwise the black are Grey and dirty on normal HDR 10 UHD movies but on Doilby Vision it does not need it at all.
I tried the Oppo 203 and the Panasonic UB 900 on 4K UHD Movies and the TV need Dynamic contrast. Even with upscaling from 2 to 4K you needs some.(low or Medium) Remember this is a IPS panel Tv that normally has poor blacks.

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this is a feature that should have been removed from all tv's years ago.

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If this was the case this Tv would have gone back to the Shop on the first day I got it.

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but perhaps the algorithms or whatever decides how to mess with the contrast just isn't 'compatible' with the DV feed
NO!! I'm not talking about DV movies like "Despicable me" as the Dynamic Contrast was set as OFF I'm talking about the average 4K HDR 10 movie ( I watch Movies at Night only with little light elsewhere)

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Anyone know if the Denon x3300/4300 or x3400/4400 will support DV or HDR+
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Just ordered a Sony A1E and most likely will be picking up an Oppo udp-203. I very much liked their bdp-103 but the udp-203 is something like $739 here in Canada and with the limited exposure Dolby Vision has right now, I may hold off hoping we'll see a price reduction towards the end of the year (wishful thinking), when there should be more Dolby Vision titles available.
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Wow! I was not expecting more than 50% for the AVS community to already have DV capable displays. "We" truly are the early adopters. I personally only have HDR10 display (KS9800) and will ride it for another 3-4 years before I upgrade as this display is more than capable in presenting stellar HDR pq. Hopefully by then, this format war between HDR10/10+ and DV is put to rest and we have a one standard way to top quality presentation. AND hopefully by then, we've settled on broader specs such as HDMI 2.1 as well.
Thanks! You saved me the effort of writing exactly what you posted! But I am grateful to be included in this snapshot and will add that for me the limit of consumeritus has been reached. My Samsung KS9800, KS8500 and KS8000 will just have to do until the industry settles down and settles on "the next great thing." I would not have made that statement one year ago as HDR gained acceptance, and I certainly would not have said this 3 years ago as 4K came in. But now, time to chill and watch the industry sort out DV, HDR10+ and the other formats. Better consumer home theater is coming for sure, but I don't see it available just yet. Add the new pricing LG and Samsung have attached to their 2017 models and I'm happy to continue to enjoy my 4K/HDR/DTS:X-Dolby Atmos systems until further notice.
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i've never seen any display with any content ever look better with dynamic contrast turned on... imo, this is a feature that should have been removed from all tv's years ago.
I like Dynamic Contrast on my TV. If I set it to high it blows out detail on the brights, but on medium it brings out more details in the shadows without harming the black level and doesn't blow out things on the top end. It provides a more pleasing image with improved detail and more 'punch'.

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