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post #31 of 73 Old 07-07-2017, 01:03 PM
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Sorry to hear that you are not impressed with 4K UHD titles. The main reason in my opinion is your TV lacks HDR support. Most people will tell you that the addition of HDR has more benefits than the upgrade to 4K. Even 1080P with HDR might be better than 4K without HDR......HDR is where you will see the major differences on most UHD titles (vs. blu ray). Most 4K TV's today, especially your Sony, will do a great job of upconverting 1080P blu rays to 4K. The upconverted blu ray might look just as good as a 4K disc without HDR. If you want to get the full benefit of 4K, whether from discs or streaming, you will need to upgrade to a TV that handles HDR (one that supports HDR and Dolby Vision would be even better).
Specifically, I am not impressed with the glut of many "fake" 4K UHD titles, although I do understand some of the reasoning into why the studios chose to do it this way, especially due to most CG being rendered at 2K and not 4K. Blending 2K CG and ~4K live footage can get messy looking if not done right, which leaves one with a choice of upscaling from a 2K DI as the least common denominator. Rendering special effects in 4K would take longer and require a deeper investment in the CG houses' rendering farms, and in time I might assume this will happen by default, but in the meantime the studios only have the legacy content they have to work with, and I doubt many movies will be re-rendered in 4K and re-released to satisfy the proportionately fewer quality aficionados like ourselves here.

Also, I need to stress that actual genuine 4K content looks fantastic on my current TV and that I do love the increased resolution and clarity.

Otherwise, I agree that the addition of HDR is often more relevant than the possible increase in resolution, but I'll still take the pristine 3D capability of my current TV over 4K / HDR anything any day.

In the longer term, I can only hope that the TV manufacturers develop better technology to deliver excellent passive 3D (like I have now) *AND* sufficiently satisfactory HDR in the same television display, and make it an 8K set so we can finally get passive 3D in 4K. That's where my future dollars are aimed and until then I have virtually no desire to replace my current TV. Of course, in reality, I'm painfully aware that someday my TV will break and I may not be able to replace it with another 3D model unless the industry finally returns to its senses.

Anyhoo, back on topic... Yes, add me to the list of people who would like to see a GotG 2 home release with both a nice 3D blu-ray transfer and a real 4K UHD disc in one package. However, knowing Disney's general policy of milking their fanbase for every last cent, I have little confidence that will happen.
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This is welcome news indeed as long as Disney doesn't resort to the fake 4K upscaling nonsense that some other studios have resorted to. So far UHD has been a disappointment given the dozen or so 4K blu-ray discs I have bought, over half of which look barely any better than the 1080p blu-ray, if at all. Since my spectacular 2013 model Sony 65" 3D TV XBR-65X900A doesn't support HDR, I was honestly and naively expecting UHD disc playback to look even better than compressed 2160p content on Netflix/Amazon/Vudu/YouTube, but to date that has rarely happened with the glut of fake 4K movies being released by the studios. It's really not a good intro for the medium in that regard. As it is, network broadcasters are looking to implement HDR before 4K, so the reliance of slapping the HDR and Dolby Atmos logos on the packaging under the fraudulent 4K Ultra HD label is just ridiculous to push a combined product package. Yes, I understand that most CG is still rendered at 2K due to time and cost constraints, and that actors don't want you to be able to count their facial hairs, but about half of the 4K blu-ray discs released to date are either not true 4K at all or else have blended elements depending on the scene.

Having said that, I will be buying GotG 2 on 3D blu-ray, as I'll take the sheer dimensional beauty of 3D over 4K every time, although I would love to have both at once. (This would require an 8K passive 3D TV, which does not exist yet on the market.) The unforgivable idiocy of some studios to discontinue 3D disc releases in the United States is at least still frequently overcome with a little patience and simply ordering them from Amazon UK, as I continue to do.

As for the 3D blu-ray releases of the Star Wars films The Force Awakens and Rogue One, I was elated to be able to buy them stateside when they came out and had no major gripes with the transfer. Of course, we can all dream that someday all action films will have the pristine native 3D quality of Avatar, but until then, the significant improvements in post-production 3D conversion over the past five years will have to do. I'm still loving my 3D TV!!!
Well, I have a 65" Samsung 4K TV with HDR (600 nit) and now the new Epson 4K HDR projector (HC 4000). There is no doubt you may be disappointing if you are just running 4K and no HDR. With a 65" TV, you really are not getting that much benefit with 4K at all unless you are sitting 4 feet from the screen. Even with my 133" screen, 4K is noticeable, but not really that great over regular HD unless I go stand close to the screen.

What you are missing is HDR and some of the movies I have seen in HDR are breath taking. Movies such as Secario.

In my opinion 4K is ok, nothing compared in any way from going from SD to HD, the good stuff is in the HDR.

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Great to see that GotG 2 is releasing in 4K, hopefully the rest of the Disney catalog gets the 4K HDR treatment.
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I'm gonna have my popcorn ready for when the disc comes out in case it doesn't have Dolby Vision and/or Atmos, just for all the posts about how Disney is screwing the director (never mind that the directors work for Disney, not the other way around), the fans too and that it's all a conspiracy to force people to doubledip on an enhanced version down the road.
It's not a conspiracy, it's business.

I could see your point except for three things... Disney owns Lucasfilm now who was always at the forefront of A/V tech. Is it too much to ask to restore the franchise to it's former glory? They were the spec trend setters; the first to get theaters to install "surround" sound.

+ Disney did pay to have the original trilogy scanned @ 4k 16 bit color depth. They are waiting for the right moment to release, but that didn't stop them from re-releasing the bluray with the exact same specs as the last bluray release prior to the acquisition.

Lastly the prices of all their discs are out of this world... 25 to 30 bucks for a 3D bluray... some of which force you to purchase the "collector's edition" like they did with Rogue One just to get 3D. If you try to purchase older marvel films used it's useless... you might save a couple bucks to buy a disc. I guess that's a good thing if you like to retain value in your collection, but bad for bargain hunters who could pick up a copy of 2001 space Odyssey used for 4.99 $.
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Bring on Star Wars UHD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Bring on Star Wars UHD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
not until 2020, and even then Fox has to allow Disney to distribute the original as they still have those rights in perpetuity,given the marvel(kevin feige) 'we(I) want everything back' mentality it may not happen


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this better not screw up the collector sets for each phase, i want 4k but dont want to have to chose between the set or 4k

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I'll take the sheer dimensional beauty of 3D over 4K every time, although I would love to have both at once. (This would require an 8K passive 3D TV, which does not exist yet on the market.) The unforgivable idiocy of some studios to discontinue 3D disc releases in the United States is at least still frequently overcome with a little patience and simply ordering them from Amazon UK, as I continue to do.
I totally agree I'll always take 3D over 4K. No 3D no sale.
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Glad to hear this.....I can cancel my boycott of Disney now.
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I don't believe this to be true. Dolby has the patents and controls the licensing.



Tomorrowland (which was Disney) was the first Dolby Vision release in May of 2015.
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Your boycott worked.
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Woot! Finally Disney! Let's hope they get a move on after that and start making up for lost time not releasing! Force Awakens and Rogue One UHD discs anyone
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This is great news indeed! I hope this is an indicator of things to come. Looking forward to upgrading my existing Disney/Pixar/Star Wars collections on Kaleidescape!
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This is the title I'm most looking forward to seeing at home in UHD and HDR. I was one of the lucky folks to see GOTGv2 in a Dolby Cinema and the HDR and wider color was AMAZING! Spectral highlights were fantastic. This one will be a real treat at home. Now to save up my pennies, nickels, and dimes to finally buy a UHD BD player. :-\
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This is the title I'm most looking forward to seeing at home in UHD and HDR. I was one of the lucky folks to see GOTGv2 in a Dolby Cinema and the HDR and wider color was AMAZING! Spectral highlights were fantastic. This one will be a real treat at home. Now to save up my pennies, nickels, and dimes to finally buy a UHD BD player. :-\
I'm fortunate to have a Dolby Cinema in my area as well, and I'm addicted to it...lol

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Guardians of the Galaxy Vol.2
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I'm fortunate to have a Dolby Cinema in my area as well, and I'm addicted to it...lol

Movies Seen so far..

Guardians of the Galaxy Vol.2
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Lucky dog! Being in the sticks of Montana, I have yet to go to a commercial theater with 4K/HDR/Atmos/Etc. Thank God for home theater tech!
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The Fifth Element 4K release is today & Guardians Galaxy soon, awesome!
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Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 on Blu-ray, and UHD 4K, (August 22nd)
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Glad to hear this, finally. Now, can we get 3D and UHD without having to buy twice?
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This is welcome news indeed as long as Disney doesn't resort to the fake 4K upscaling nonsense that some other studios have resorted to. So far UHD has been a disappointment given the dozen or so 4K blu-ray discs I have bought, over half of which look barely any better than the 1080p blu-ray, if at all. Since my spectacular 2013 model Sony 65" 3D TV XBR-65X900A doesn't support HDR, I was honestly and naively expecting UHD disc playback to look even better than compressed 2160p content on Netflix/Amazon/Vudu/YouTube, but to date that has rarely happened with the glut of fake 4K movies being released by the studios. It's really not a good intro for the medium in that regard. As it is, network broadcasters are looking to implement HDR before 4K, so the reliance of slapping the HDR and Dolby Atmos logos on the packaging under the fraudulent 4K Ultra HD label is just ridiculous to push a combined product package. Yes, I understand that most CG is still rendered at 2K due to time and cost constraints, and that actors don't want you to be able to count their facial hairs, but about half of the 4K blu-ray discs released to date are either not true 4K at all or else have blended elements depending on the scene.

Having said that, I will be buying GotG 2 on 3D blu-ray, as I'll take the sheer dimensional beauty of 3D over 4K every time, although I would love to have both at once. (This would require an 8K passive 3D TV, which does not exist yet on the market.) The unforgivable idiocy of some studios to discontinue 3D disc releases in the United States is at least still frequently overcome with a little patience and simply ordering them from Amazon UK, as I continue to do.

As for the 3D blu-ray releases of the Star Wars films The Force Awakens and Rogue One, I was elated to be able to buy them stateside when they came out and had no major gripes with the transfer. Of course, we can all dream that someday all action films will have the pristine native 3D quality of Avatar, but until then, the significant improvements in post-production 3D conversion over the past five years will have to do. I'm still loving my 3D TV!!!


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Arg.... Sounds like a separate 4K and 3D release... Is it really too much to ask to have a 4K/3D combo?

Want to have a 2D blu ray?.... Then let the 3D blu ray have the 2D option... Simple.
your prayers have been answered. If you purchase from Best Buy pre-order there is a 4k version that includes the 3D bluray... though it costs 5 bucks more than standard UHD disc... I just bought it even though I don't have a 4k set. I figure I may as well future proof a tad:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/guardian...?skuId=5904801

I think this is the only retail chain selling this package. It's possible target might update their site as I see 2 different UHD editions... a little confusing.
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your prayers have been answered. If you purchase from Best Buy pre-order there is a 4k version that includes the 3D bluray... though it costs 5 bucks more than standard UHD disc... I just bought it even though I don't have a 4k set. I figure I may as well future proof a tad:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/guardian...?skuId=5904801

I think this is the only retail chain selling this package. It's possible target might update their site as I see 2 different UHD editions... a little confusing.
Thanks for the heads up. I did just also pre-order it, but I'll believe it when I see it. Hopefully this doesn't go down the sad route that the latest Underworld and Resident Evil movies did, as the 3D / 4K combo was listed for ages on the Best Buy website right up until it didn't exist at release date. I ended up ordering both of those films in 3D from Amazon UK.
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I totally agree I'll always take 3D over 4K. No 3D no sale.
I'm the opposite. I think 3D is lame. I'll take 4k HDR and leave those awful glasses in the drawer....
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I'm the opposite. I think 3D is lame. I'll take 4k HDR and leave those awful glasses in the drawer....
Sorry to hear your display is not up to par. 3D on my set is fantastic.
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WHAT!? The link you posted states quite clearly it's a 4k DI.

Cinematographic Process Digital Intermediate (4K) (master format)
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That puts it back on my "buy" list.
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Someone must have edited it

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I'm so excited Best Buy is packaging the 4K and 3D together!!!!
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WHAT!? The link you posted states quite clearly it's a 4k DI.

Cinematographic Process Digital Intermediate (4K) (master format)
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Redcode RAW (8K) (source format)

That puts it back on my "buy" list.
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Pre-ordered the 3D/4K combo from Best Buy as well. I have started buying 4K movies over 3D even though I love 3D movies. With no major TV companies making 3D televisions any more and wanting to upgrade to a 4K HDR TV sooner than later, I can't justify getting 3D over 4K discs. I'm glad Sony packages their 3D and 4K discs into a single purchase.

I have the same TV as @Pixel Dude (65X900A). Jumped the gun at the time on the 4K TV purchase, but when I heard that it was true 1080p passive 3D, I bought it. At that time, I had never heard of HDR or DV (this was in Spring 2014). It does present a great 3D image, and one of my favorites in that regard is the first Guardians of the Galaxy. So for that reason alone, and in the hopes of an equally-as-impressive 3D transfer with the sequel, I can justify the extra expense for the combo pack from Best Buy at $35. (And actually hope that it drops to $30 by the time it releases.)
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Oh, please! I just forgot. I just recently watched a YouTube video about Dolby Cinema/Vision and Jungle Book.

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