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Nanosys Quantum-Dot Update at CES 2018

Nanosys provided a quantum-dot update at CES 2018, pointing the way toward a bright future for video displays.

https://www.avsforum.com/nanosys-quan...date-ces-2018/
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Nanosys provided a quantum-dot update at CES 2018, pointing the way toward a bright future for video displays.

https://www.avsforum.com/nanosys-quan...date-ces-2018/
Scott, did they mention anything about expected sizes?
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It's going to be a really hard time to know when I'll want to upgrade next as it seems like for the next 5 years there is always going to be something substantially better right around the corner.

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Scott, did they mention anything about expected sizes?
Not really, other than the 55" QDEL prototype. They also mentioned the possibility of 75" or 85" 4K QD microLED displays. But otherwise, no...this was an update on the underlying technology of quantum dots.
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It's going to be a really hard time to know when I'll want to upgrade next as it seems like for the next 5 years there is always going to be something substantially better right around the corner.
'Twas ever thus...
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2019 looks like the earliest update for a new TV, for people looking. Great article!
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It's going to be a really hard time to know when I'll want to upgrade next as it seems like for the next 5 years there is always going to be something substantially better right around the corner.
For me, it's usually when mine malfunctions :/ One with a lightening strike, other had a blown out HDMI port, next one screen went bad
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Scott, did they mention anything about expected sizes?
They mention the manufacturing process that can be used (printers) to make these displays. That means HUGE sizes, rollable too.

Front projection as we know it, is likely dead by the time this comes out in 2020. Economies of scale for consumer sized TVs (100 inches or less) will result in prices for much larger screen sizes to become readily affordable too.
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Scott, did they mention anything about expected sizes?
They mention the manufacturing process that can be used (printers) to make these displays. That means HUGE sizes, rollable too.

Front projection as we know it, is likely dead by the time this comes out in 2020. Economies of scale for consumer sized TVs (100 inches or less) will result in prices for much larger screen sizes to become readily affordable too.
Unless they weigh less than 50 pounds or so and cost less than $4000-10000, I can't imagine a 150"-200" TV replacing a front projection system any time soon (certainly not in the next two years). Dream on. Maybe some 90"-110" setups, but I bet even then the price could never touch something like the new DLP 4K/3D projector about to come out for $1600 that only weighs about 8 pounds.

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There are already rollable OLED TVs, I remember seeing claims this wouldn't happen before 2020 and yet it's 2018 and here we are. Things are progressing faster and faster in the TV industry, meanwhile projectors aren't.

The second front projectors lose their size advantage, they are done for.
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There are already rollable OLED TVs, I remember seeing claims this wouldn't happen before 2020 and yet it's 2018 and here we are. Things are progressing faster and faster in the TV industry, meanwhile projectors aren't.

The second front projectors lose their size advantage, they are done for.
So price and weight don't matter, then, just the size?
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There are already rollable OLED TVs, I remember seeing claims this wouldn't happen before 2020 and yet it's 2018 and here we are. Things are progressing faster and faster in the TV industry, meanwhile projectors aren't.

The second front projectors lose their size advantage, they are done for.
Are you saying laser projectors are not progress? Plus new materials and true aspect masking and anamorphic lenses. There's progress being made all the time in projection, but as with most things it takes time to trickle down.
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Are you saying laser projectors are not progress? Plus new materials and true aspect masking and anamorphic lenses. There's progress being made all the time in projection, but as with most things it takes time to trickle down.
Tech does seem to take a much longer time to trickle down to projectors. They took much longer to get HDR support, many still don’t have it, and none have Dolby Vision support. Apparently none of the wobulation-4K single chip DLPs have wide color gamut support, and the color gamuts are narrower than comparably priced LCD or OLED TVs on LCoS and LCD projectors as well. Support for 18gb HDMI isn’t universal, nor is at least 10-bit internal processing.

You do get a big screen for the money, but you also have an installation headache that you don’t have with a flat screen.

The ‘holy grail’ would be an ultra-short-throw real 4K projector with full DCI P3, or even better a significant portion of Rec 2020, with a laser light source, full-fat HDMI ports, real 10 or 12bit processing, HDR10, HLG, and Dolby Vision support, all for under $10K, but that’ll be a long time coming.

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There are already rollable OLED TVs, I remember seeing claims this wouldn't happen before 2020 and yet it's 2018 and here we are. Things are progressing faster and faster in the TV industry, meanwhile projectors aren't.

The second front projectors lose their size advantage, they are done for.


Those are prototypes only. Still a couple of years away before we can find them in stores, there's still kinks to be worked out.
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emissive or bust!

i just hope by the time there's something worth getting excited about, we aren't all 'quantum dotted' out.

as for projectors, i have to agree with above.

they have PROTOTYPES that theoretically would compete with projectors. but we don't have products on the shelf, and we certainly don't have AFFORDABLE products on the shelf.
2018: 65" prototypes
2019: 65" production model for 10grand???
2020: 77-85" model for 15grand??
2025+: 100-120" models for under 10grand?

keep in mind we have GOOD quality projection at 130+" for under 5grand. there is certainly some HUGE advantages to an oled panel over a projector, but it's a long, long way from being a no-brainer. we have at least another decade where consumers will choose between 'cheap' projectors that only work in the dark, and 'mid-size car priced' panels that will only be a dream for many.

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You do get a big screen for the money, but you also have an installation headache that you don’t have with a flat screen.
Oh I dunno. I thought it was more of a "headache" to install an in-wall hanger into the studs and hang a heavy 65 pound plasma from the wall (for a mere 48"; I know OLEDs weigh less, but I can't imagine hanging a 75" or 85" OLED from a wall would be particularly "easy" to do. You'd almost certainly need a second person at the very least (awkward) and you're more limited where you can hang it (it would almost have to be on a solid wall).

I hung my 93" projection screen near the ceiling from wall mounted bookshelves on either side in front of a window (put blackout drapes in for window and the screen drops down from the ceiling in front of it between the two bookshelves. I couldn't have put an OLED there at all unless it was on some kind of stand in front of the bookshelves and that wouldn't have looked very good. The screen was easy to hang; I just needed someone to hold up one end for me while I hung them on the bolts. The projector mount was a little bit more work (although a one person job), but many people can put the projector on an end table or book case in the back of the room even. People with a big wall can just paint the wall (or even use as-is in a hurry) and set the projector in the back of the room. An OLED is going to need either a wall hanger of some kind or a stand.

Of course, I did have to run a rather long HDMI cable from the equipment stands sitting under the screen between the bookshelves and use some wire molds to hide the power cable as well (you can typically put your equipment racks under/over/beside a regular TV.
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Oh I dunno. I thought it was more of a "headache" to install an in-wall hanger into the studs and hang a heavy 65 pound plasma from the wall (for a mere 48"; I know OLEDs weigh less, but I can't imagine hanging a 75" or 85" OLED from a wall would be particularly "easy" to do. You'd almost certainly need a second person at the very least (awkward) and you're more limited where you can hang it (it would almost have to be on a solid wall).

I hung my 93" projection screen near the ceiling from wall mounted bookshelves on either side in front of a window (put blackout drapes in for window and the screen drops down from the ceiling in front of it between the two bookshelves. I couldn't have put an OLED there at all unless it was on some kind of stand in front of the bookshelves and that wouldn't have looked very good. The screen was easy to hang; I just needed someone to hold up one end for me while I hung them on the bolts. The projector mount was a little bit more work (although a one person job), but many people can put the projector on an end table or book case in the back of the room even. People with a big wall can just paint the wall (or even use as-is in a hurry) and set the projector in the back of the room. An OLED is going to need either a wall hanger of some kind or a stand.

Of course, I did have to run a rather long HDMI cable from the equipment stands sitting under the screen between the bookshelves and use some wire molds to hide the power cable as well (you can typically put your equipment racks under/over/beside a regular TV.
I'll give you that, wall-mounting a flat screen is likely a PITA as well. I've just never been a fan of wall-mounts, I'd rather just put it on a stand.

I didn't think about putting a projector on a shelf, most of the installations I've seen involve cutting holes in the ceiling and having to run cables through it, plus installing an outlet if you don't already have one in the area.

I wonder what the percentage of people who wall-mount vs use stands for their TV is.

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A 65" OLED is less than half the weight of a 60" Plasma. Mine is wall mounted, no problem to get it up.

Unless QD is getting an 8.3million zone FALD I will never consider one.

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The ‘holy grail’ would be an ultra-short-throw real 4K projector with full DCI P3, or even better a significant portion of Rec 2020, with a laser light source, full-fat HDMI ports, real 10 or 12bit processing, HDR10, HLG, and Dolby Vision support, all for under $10K, but that’ll be a long time coming.
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Projectors are fine if you have a dark room. Unfortunately for me, people in my family want lights on at night so they can see what they're doing.
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Projectors are fine if you have a dark room. Unfortunately for me, people in my family want lights on at night so they can see what they're doing.
What they should be 'doing' is watching the movie (not playing with their phone, etc.) What do they do at the theater (or do they even go there?). Home theaters should be pitch black, IMO. I installed blackout drapes at every opening to the room. It's pitch even at noon on a sunny day.
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They mention the manufacturing process that can be used (printers) to make these displays. That means HUGE sizes, rollable too.

Front projection as we know it, is likely dead by the time this comes out in 2020. Economies of scale for consumer sized TVs (100 inches or less) will result in prices for much larger screen sizes to become readily affordable too.
Wow -- I had not read that. Printing screens is a game changer. Rollable - bring it on. I will put a hole in the floor to get a 200" down to the theater room !!
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What they should be 'doing' is watching the movie (not playing with their phone, etc.) What do they do at the theater (or do they even go there?). Home theaters should be pitch black, IMO. I installed blackout drapes at every opening to the room. It's pitch even at noon on a sunny day.
The room isn't a dedicated theater room. It opens to the kitchen where my wife insists on seeing what she's cooking and cleaning. She already complains about being treated like a maid, so placing a barrier between the kitchen and TV viewing room wouldn't go over well.

There's also a big dining room table where my kids do their homework and for some reason they need to be able to see to do their homework.
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Is there any recent news about this technology? Hisense, TCL, and Samsung seem to be high lighting other technologies. Will this be just used in any of those as a substitute for the filters? I couldn't find anything new online. Thanks.

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