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Sorry for the confusion. I hope this helps.



For Bright movies:

Adjust projector CONTRAST to resolve the 724/1021 nits white clipping bar. BRIGHTNESS should be normal.



For DARK movies:

Adjust projector CONTRAST to resolve the 660/516 nits white clipping bar. BRIGHTNESS should be normal.



660/515 <-> 724/1021 = the range of CONTRAST adjustment you might use depending on the APL of the movie or source content from the DV LLDV process.
Got it.. just wanted to see if I could figure this out before ordering the vertex for dv.. thank u so much

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Here's the second set, with the ATV4K sending HDR datastream. Same naming convention.
Some more comparisons in the NX7 thread:
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Welcome to the thread HDFury!!!

Thanks for the kind words and the tip about the unlocking. I’ll have to check on that with my Vertex as I am the thread starter and the one that posted the images I think. Would that affect whether the Vertex consistently switches into the proper LLDV mode? I find that I have to recycle power or swap inputs to get DV mode to kick in using the Sony A1 EDID.

Also, are we able to edit the A1 EDID to customize the display luminance being reported for the DV processing? I believe someone asked this or similar on AVS.

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Yes, when unit is still locked, you can have issues, usually it's some content not playing well and resync, so it's important to unlock after any firmware update, when unlocked, you won't see "T1" anymore on signal info and lock icon will disappear on OLED screen. The industry once challenged us to comply to their rules as they though we would not succeed, so we had to prove them wrong yet, you as the final user, should not use that limited mode.

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Yes there was some requests along those lines, we might offer some LLDV EDID tweaking options soon, hopefully around Xmas or so.

I just had copy this reply from @HDfury in Dave's thread regarding LLDV EDID "tweaking options".

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The colour shift is interesting... wonder is that's due to the colour space discrepancy or tone mapping in the display. Or both...
I was trying to measure the grey scale and saturation patterns played through the ATV4K, but unfortunately cannot find an app that plays the patterns properly. Infuse and VLC produce very different results., neither of which makes sense.

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I was trying to measure the grey scale and saturation patterns played through the ATV4K, but unfortunately cannot find an app that plays the patterns properly. Infuse and VLC produce very different results., neither of which makes sense.
That is interesting...

So are these DV test patterns or HDR10? Either way it's interesting, but maybe more so if they are HDR10...

Wonder if you can try the attached EDID and see if it works for you...
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That is interesting...

So are these DV test patterns or HDR10? Either way it's interesting, but maybe more so if they are HDR10...

Wonder if you can try the attached EDID and see if it works for you...
They are HDR10 patterns, but they don't play back properly even when I set the ATV4K in HDR10 mode.

What do I look for specifically with the attached EDID?

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They are HDR10 patterns, but they don't play back properly even when I set the ATV4K in HDR10 mode.

What do I look for specifically with the attached EDID?
That really is a bit of a worry with the ATV then..

Nothing other than it working - I've just taken a standard full fat EDID and added in the Dolby block so just curiosity really.

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That really is a bit of a worry with the ATV then..

Nothing other than it working - I've just taken a standard full fat EDID and added in the Dolby block so just curiosity really.
I selected EDID #9 and the screen went blank. I loaded your FULL + LLDV and the screen came back on, asking me if I want to try Dolby Vision

Didn't see any reddish tint, but haven't seen much other differences either (haven't tried very hard).

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I selected EDID #9 and the screen went blank. I loaded your FULL + LLDV and the screen came back on, asking me if I want to try Dolby Vision

Didn't see any reddish tint, but haven't seen much other differences either (haven't tried very hard).
I wouldn't expect to see any differences - From the EDIDs I've looked at I can't find anything that would indicate that the LLDV signal would be presented differently by the player based on that EDID.

Just wanted to make sure there was no voodoo involved and there doesn't seem to be!

Have you tried these Profile 5 streams - these would be a good test since you'd have to assume they've come from a decent Dolby Master.

https://developer.dolby.com/tools-me...ision-streams/
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So, I have decided to try this LLDV hack, despite the "red tint" observed by @Dominic Chan and @claw . My Vertex2 arrived a couple days ago and I have since picked up the Sony X800M2 with the ATV 4K to be added soon. I am not familiar with the Vertex2 at all, although I previously owned an Integral a while back. I am therefore seeking some assistance in setting up the Vertex2 to play nice with my other components.

1) Can the Vertex2 be connected to my Network via wifi? So far, I can only access the Menus when I hook up directly to my Modem with RJ45 cable. However, my modem is on another floor and not close to where I intend to hook up the Vertex2. It would not be very convenient if I had to remove the Vertex2 from my system every time I need to make a change.

2) When setting up the Vertex2, HDR/DV tab, whenever I change primaries from DCI P3 to BT2020 it defaults back to DCI P3 whenever I exit that page. Is there a way to make this setting "stick?" All my other entries (such as WP and EOTF) remain in place.

3) I intend to connect 3 devices to the Vertex2: Sony X800M2 player using input 0 for LLDV disc playback. ATV using input 1 for LLDV streaming. Panasonic UB 820 using input 2 for regular playback WITHOUT LLDV (passthrough?). What would be the best output port in this scenario (TX1 or TX0)? Since all devices will be output through the same port, how do I configure the Vertex2 for LLDV with the X800M2 and ATV while keeping the UB820 in THRU (no processing) mode?

I am by-passing my AVR in all cases and going directly to my RS500 projector.


Thanks for any help and suggestions.
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3) I intend to connect 3 devices to the Vertex2: Sony X800M2 player using input 0 for LLDV disc playback. ATV using input 1 for LLDV streaming. Panasonic UB 820 using input 2 for regular playback WITHOUT LLDV (passthrough?). What would be the best output port in this scenario (TX1 or TX0)? Since all devices will be output through the same port, how do I configure the Vertex2 for LLDV with the X800M2 and ATV while keeping the UB820 in THRU (no processing) mode?
I have only used my Vertex(1) briefly so have only been exposed to the basics.

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GoBlue is NOT needed and/or supported for Vertex2, Diva or Maestro as they can be accessed directly via WiFi and have dedicated Android/iOS APP upcoming for the purpose.
As for the EDID, they tell the source device what is connected to the output, so even when you use the same output, the different source devices (each connected to a different input with a different EDID) will send HDR10 or LLDV according to what each thinks it’s connected to.

Put it another way, it’s the source device that’s being spoofed, not the projector.
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^^^^Thank you, Dominic!!! Appreciate the help. I have a lot to learn about this Vertex2. I hope I can figure out the Wifi thing as that would be most convenient.

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^^^^Thank you, Dominic!!! Appreciate the help. I have a lot to learn about this Vertex2. I hope I can figure out the Wifi thing as that would be most convenient.

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Im not sure if that statement regarding WiFi is correct. The Vertex2 manual actually says
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Worse comes to worst you can buy one of those WiFi extenders that comes with an Ethernet output.

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Im not sure if that statement regarding WiFi is correct.
Worse comes to worst you can buy one of those WiFi extenders that comes with an Ethernet output.
Yeh, it looks like I will have to spring for one of those dongles. As always, I appreciate your help.

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So, I have decided to try this LLDV hack, despite the "red tint" observed by @Dominic Chan and @claw . My Vertex2 arrived a couple days ago and I have since picked up the Sony X800M2 with the ATV 4K to be added soon. I am not familiar with the Vertex2 at all, although I previously owned an Integral a while back. I am therefore seeking some assistance in setting up the Vertex2 to play nice with my other components.

1) Can the Vertex2 be connected to my Network via wifi? So far, I can only access the Menus when I hook up directly to my Modem with RJ45 cable. However, my modem is on another floor and not close to where I intend to hook up the Vertex2. It would not be very convenient if I had to remove the Vertex2 from my system every time I need to make a change.

2) When setting up the Vertex2, HDR/DV tab, whenever I change primaries from DCI P3 to BT2020 it defaults back to DCI P3 whenever I exit that page. Is there a way to make this setting "stick?" All my other entries (such as WP and EOTF) remain in place.

3) I intend to connect 3 devices to the Vertex2: Sony X800M2 player using input 0 for LLDV disc playback. ATV using input 1 for LLDV streaming. Panasonic UB 820 using input 2 for regular playback WITHOUT LLDV (passthrough?). What would be the best output port in this scenario (TX1 or TX0)? Since all devices will be output through the same port, how do I configure the Vertex2 for LLDV with the X800M2 and ATV while keeping the UB820 in THRU (no processing) mode?

I am by-passing my AVR in all cases and going directly to my RS500 projector.


Thanks for any help and suggestions.
Curious why you are bypassing the AVR? Are there issues with LLDV pass through via an AVR? Denon 4400h in my case.

Also to the wider audience: as I don’t have the Vertex 2 yet, is this an acceptable chain?

Apple TV 4K/Oppo 203 -> AVR -> AVR HDMI OUT -> Vertex 2 -> projector

Is there a preferred chain taking an AVR into account? Thanks!
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Curious why you are bypassing the AVR? Are there issues with LLDV pass through via an AVR? Denon 4400h in my case.

Also to the wider audience: as I don’t have the Vertex 2 yet, is this an acceptable chain?

Apple TV 4K/Oppo 203 -> AVR -> AVR HDMI OUT -> Vertex 2 -> projector

Is there a preferred chain taking an AVR into account? Thanks!
May I note, you might experience the Vertex having trouble 1st seeing the projector at the end of the chain. HDFury recommends making that 1st connection via by-passing the AVR, and then once the connection happens and the signal passes thru as intended, add back the AVR in the loop.

I had this happen with the Denon x4300H even in Pass Thru mode, but it was not consistent. The issue observed was everything showing up as 1080P60 at the projector, instead of making it thru as 4K60.

HDFury had said in tech notes, once the DV LLDV handshake makes it connection, it can travel thru connecting devices set to Pass Thru.
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Curious why you are bypassing the AVR?
In addition to what Byte said above, my AVR cannot pass 4K HDR--A situation soon to be rectified
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So, I have decided to try this LLDV hack, despite the "red tint" observed by @Dominic Chan and @claw . My Vertex2 arrived a couple days ago and I have since picked up the Sony X800M2 with the ATV 4K to be added soon. I am not familiar with the Vertex2 at all, although I previously owned an Integral a while back. I am therefore seeking some assistance in setting up the Vertex2 to play nice with my other components.

1) Can the Vertex2 be connected to my Network via wifi? So far, I can only access the Menus when I hook up directly to my Modem with RJ45 cable. However, my modem is on another floor and not close to where I intend to hook up the Vertex2. It would not be very convenient if I had to remove the Vertex2 from my system every time I need to make a change.

2) When setting up the Vertex2, HDR/DV tab, whenever I change primaries from DCI P3 to BT2020 it defaults back to DCI P3 whenever I exit that page. Is there a way to make this setting "stick?" All my other entries (such as WP and EOTF) remain in place.

3) I intend to connect 3 devices to the Vertex2: Sony X800M2 player using input 0 for LLDV disc playback. ATV using input 1 for LLDV streaming. Panasonic UB 820 using input 2 for regular playback WITHOUT LLDV (passthrough?). What would be the best output port in this scenario (TX1 or TX0)? Since all devices will be output through the same port, how do I configure the Vertex2 for LLDV with the X800M2 and ATV while keeping the UB820 in THRU (no processing) mode?

I am by-passing my AVR in all cases and going directly to my RS500 projector.


Thanks for any help and suggestions.
1) As already noted by others, no WiFi support.

2) You would only use that field when you sending Custom HDR10 metadata. If you don't send any it will go back to default. Also should be no reason to send custom metadata to a JVC projector. There will be a new JVC Macro coming soon that will allow you to specify what picture mode in the JVC you want to use for LLDV.

3) TX0 and TX1 should be equivalent.

Just set the Vertex2 to one of the LLDV EDIDs (Sony A1 LLDV or LG C8 LLDV). You might have to load the LG LLDV EDID from the HDfury EDID collection that you can download from the Download web page.

The LLDV EDIDs still allow HDR10 to pass through from the UB820. You don't need to keep changing EDID between an LLDV EDID and a HDR10 EDID. The UB820 can't force Dolby Vision so it will send HDR10 as HDR10, SDR as SDR, and Dolby Vision as LLDV. Nothing to change in the UB820 except to turn Dolby Vision on and then forget it.
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^^^^ Thank you for that Claw. I did not have to download the LG EDID as it is already included in the Vertex2 tables. I didn't know/think the LLDV EDID would allow HDR 10 to pass through--good to know. And it's great that an new, upcoming JVC Macro will allow us to specify the desired picture mode.

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... 3) I intend to connect 3 devices to the Vertex2: Sony X800M2 player using input 0 for LLDV disc playback. ATV using input 1 for LLDV streaming. Panasonic UB 820 using input 2 for regular playback WITHOUT LLDV (passthrough?). What would be the best output port in this scenario (TX1 or TX0)? Since all devices will be output through the same port, how do I configure the Vertex2 for LLDV with the X800M2 and ATV while keeping the UB820 in THRU (no processing) mode?
YMMV, but I found the x800m2 LLDV with DV content to be superior to the ub820 LLDV with DV content.

I mentioned this in an earlier post. The ub820 appeared to clipping some highlights the x800m2 did not. So my plan is to run just the x800m2 and ATV4K thru the vertex2, and connect the ub820 to the AVR.

I'm curious what you observe when you compare the x800m2 and ub820 in LLDV mode.

The ub820 HDR -> SDR is still the best 4k SDR2020 or 4k SDR709 option I have seen in action (short of MadVR or lumagen). The x800m2 HDR -> SDR mapping, even with the 5 HDR settings, can not match the ub820 HDR -> SDR mapping. I can see myself keeping the x800m2 for LLDV and the ub820 for everything else. This is where the Oppo 203 might be the alternative which can do both well, except that the Oppo still has the SDR2020 and SDR709 color tracking issues when doing HDR -> SDR mapping. I'd note in this context, the ub420 would be a great alternative to the ub820 in my intended configuration.

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I mentioned this in an earlier post. The ub820 appeared to clipping some highlights the x800m2 did not.
Is that with the UB820 Display Type set to Projector, or High Luminance?

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@byte or @claw you guys have vertex 2? I just got mine replacing first vertex and THINK I have it setup correctly for my ATV. I got the “test Dolby vision” deal in ATV, turned off “match dynamic range” and am testing all the material I used to watch in both SDR and HDR.

I have ATV4K > vertex2 > denon s730h > JVC x770.

Denon has Dolby vision pass through (4K option set to enhanced).

I have custom curve (Dominic or someone else’s tweaked for my setup) on user 1 JVC. I have SDR setup on user 2.

Prior to this “hack” I have used ATV4K in SDR mode with match range. I had vertex macro setup to auto change to user 1 when HDR is present. Was working perfect.

Now I am testing having ATV4K in Dolby vision mode for the menu and seeing what it will do to upscale anything I watch. I really only watch 3 apps. Netflix, iTunes movies and Bell Fibetv app. So far I am seeing Bell Fibe tv (which is SDR 1080p) look like **** and some Netflix non HDR (breaking bad) look “ok”. Tried iTunes hdr movie (greatest showman) and from memory looks a lot more “alive” than HDR10. As with others I am seeing a significant red push but its watchable.

Anyway, I was hoping to share and learn from others specifically for ATV - JVC X7xx or x9xx series. Whether it be vertex2 settings to a better custom curve I am now with others in this awesome “rabbit hole”. Also for anyone in Canada (there are a few here) that use bell fibe app or similar, looking forward to seeing us tweak the most out of that as well.


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^^^^ Thank you for that Claw. I did not have to download the LG EDID as it is already included in the Vertex2 tables. I didn't know/think the LLDV EDID would allow HDR 10 to pass through--good to know. And it's great that an new, upcoming JVC Macro will allow us to specify the desired picture mode.

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Great points... I now see the reason to run the ub820 thru the vertex2, to let the JVC macro pick the ub820 HDR2020 user picture mode.

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Is that with the UB820 Display Type set to Projector, or High Luminance?
Projector, and it did not occur to me to make that adjustment. I will check it out.

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Projector, and it did not occur to me to make that adjustment. I will check it out.
Unless the Sony has a similar setting, it would be more “fair” to compare the two players without using that setting in the Panasonic.

I haven’t done a comparison, but “conceptually” it would be best to pass the “original” source to the JVC, without using the Panasonic’s Dynamic Range Adjustment or Low Luminance Display Type.
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@byte or @claw you guys have vertex 2? I just got mine replacing first vertex and THINK I have it setup correctly for my ATV. I got the “test Dolby vision” deal in ATV, turned off “match dynamic range” and am testing all the material I used to watch in both SDR and HDR.

I have ATV4K > vertex2 > denon s730h > JVC x770.

Denon has Dolby vision pass through (4K option set to enhanced).

I have custom curve (Dominic or someone else’s tweaked for my setup) on user 1 JVC. I have SDR setup on user 2.

Prior to this “hack” I have used ATV4K in SDR mode with match range. I had vertex macro setup to auto change to user 1 when HDR is present. Was working perfect.

Now I am testing having ATV4K in Dolby vision mode for the menu and seeing what it will do to upscale anything I watch. I really only watch 3 apps. Netflix, iTunes movies and Bell Fibetv app. So far I am seeing Bell Fibe tv (which is SDR 1080p) look like **** and some Netflix non HDR (breaking bad) look “ok”. Tried iTunes hdr movie (greatest showman) and from memory looks a lot more “alive” than HDR10. As with others I am seeing a significant red push but its watchable.

Anyway, I was hoping to share and learn from others specifically for ATV - JVC X7xx or x9xx series. Whether it be vertex2 settings to a better custom curve I am now with others in this awesome “rabbit hole”. Also for anyone in Canada (there are a few here) that use bell fibe app or similar, looking forward to seeing us tweak the most out of that as well.


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Using LLDV with anything other than DV or HDR10 content (x800m2 and ATV4K ) does not produce good results for me on the x990. Dave has seen better results on his lk990.

My apps are...
D+ (all awesome so far, except as an example Avatar @ 1080SDR)
HULU (no HDR)
Netflix (I turned HDR off in protest when I added D+)
VUDU (awesome with HDR)
iTunes ATV4K (imho better than VUDU, no extra $$$ for 4kHDR and 48hr rental period)
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Unless the Sony has a similar setting, it would be more “fair” to compare the two players without using that setting in the Panasonic.

I haven’t done a comparison, but “conceptually” it would be best to pass the “original” source to the JVC, without using the Panasonic’s Dynamic Range Adjustment or Low Luminance Display Type.
Because the Optimizer is not accessible with LLDV, I had assumed all mapping was disengaged on the ub820. And if this is the case, that could explain better highlight resolution on the x800m2, since the x800m2 seems to be mapping everything above 1021 nits. I have not seen a way to change this on the x800m2.

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Using LLDV with anything other than DV or HDR10 content (x800m2 and ATV4K ) does not produce good results for me on the x990. Dave has seen better results on his lk990.

My apps are...
D+ (all awesome so far, except as an example Avatar @ 1080SDR)
HULU (no HDR)
Netflix (I turned HDR off in protest when I added D+)
VUDU (awesome with HDR)

I just order the vertex2 but it will take 3 weeks, i ordered ground.. Not complaining one bit with the image i have now but i hope this is an improvement because more of better is always better.. I hope i can just leave it at one setting for disc and streaming.. Now i have to order the apple tv and im not an apple person... Am all microsoft..

So where does the vertex go.. I will have the apple tv going into the oppo 203?
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I just order the vertex2 but it will take 3 weeks, i ordered ground.. Not complaining one bit with the image i have now but i hope this is an improvement because more of better is always better.. I hope i can just leave it at one setting for disc and streaming.. Now i have to order the apple tv and im not an apple person... Am all microsoft..

So where does the vertex go.. I will have the apple tv going into the oppo 203?
You could try both, but I'd run the ATV4K into the vertex2.

Do a Google search for the Apple Refurbished Store. That's where I got my ATVK64 and frankly every Mac I have bought the last 5-10+ years. Comes with full Apple warranty. In many cases, the $$$ saved more than pays for an AppleCare extended warranty.

You will need to set up an Apple ID, but that's not a big deal and then you can access iTunes movie rentals, which does not charge extra for the 4k HDR versions, like VUDU and others do. And rentals are 48 hours instead of 24 like others now offer.
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YMMV, but I found the x800m2 LLDV with DV content to be superior to the ub820 LLDV with DV content.
Is the UB820 even capable of outputting (profile 5) LLDV? I was under the impression that the UB820 (unlike the Sony X800M2, X700 and OPPO 203/205), was NOT capable of player led processing and therefore only capable of outputting a full (Profile 7) DV signal where the Display does all the processing.
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