Dolby Vision, including HDR10 conversion w/ DTM on Projectors? - Page 31 - AVS Forum | Home Theater Discussions And Reviews
Forum Jump: 
 1012Likes
Reply
 
Thread Tools
post #901 of 2218 Old 02-17-2020, 03:20 PM
Member
 
anevard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Montreal, Canada
Posts: 189
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 82 Post(s)
Liked: 22
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dominic Chan View Post
As discussed in the above posts, unless you can create your own colour profiles there’s no point in creating a custom EDID, as the two have to match each other.
Is it possible for me to create my own custom profile WITH filter for my X790. Seems the Autocal software filter switch is disabled unless you have a 990. Am I missing something?

Andrew
anevard is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #902 of 2218 Old 02-17-2020, 03:57 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Mississauga, ON, Canada
Posts: 8,718
Mentioned: 188 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6273 Post(s)
Liked: 2637
Quote:
Originally Posted by anevard View Post
Is it possible for me to create my own custom profile WITH filter for my X790. Seems the Autocal software filter switch is disabled unless you have a 990. Am I missing something?

Andrew
You don't even need to be connected to the projector to create the profile, so it can't possibly be due to X790 vs X990.

JVC DLA-X550R; Denon AVR-X3400H; HD Fury Linker / Vertex 2; ATV4K; Sony UBP-X700
JVC Curves; Optimizing HDR;
Creating a basic HDR curve using Arve’s Tool;
Replacing JVC Bare Bulbs
Dominic Chan is online now  
post #903 of 2218 Old 02-17-2020, 04:16 PM
Member
 
anevard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Montreal, Canada
Posts: 189
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 82 Post(s)
Liked: 22
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dominic Chan View Post
You don't even need to be connected to the projector to create the profile, so it can't possibly be due to X790 vs X990.
I know I read somewhere that there was a filter limitation, but you are absolutely correct, there is a wide setting and no projector connection needed.

Looking forward to playing with this.

Andrew
anevard is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #904 of 2218 Old 02-17-2020, 05:21 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
atabea's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 1,800
Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 884 Post(s)
Liked: 719
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dominic Chan View Post
Here are the de-saturated versions that illustrate the differences on less capable monitors and laptop screens.
Thanks for posting these desaturated versions. I can now clearly see the differences.
atabea is offline  
post #905 of 2218 Old 02-18-2020, 10:25 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
ScottAvery's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Great Falls, VA
Posts: 2,004
Mentioned: 26 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 871 Post(s)
Liked: 254
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dominic Chan View Post
The NX models come with the DCI-P3 profile. For the e-shift models, many madVR users already use P3 for their ripped videos. If you don't have it then there's no particular reason to use that instead of the Sony A1 profile.

If you prefer the HDR picture mode, then just use the BT2020 EDID that Mark Swift created.
Quote:
Originally Posted by markswift2003 View Post
Just to echo what Claw said, it's an EDID to be loaded into a spare slot on your Vertex which allows you to use LLDV sources with a standard HDR setting on your PJ.
Thank you both for your hard work on this. And a shout out to @bmandra as well!

The BT2020 option is easier to manage while I don't have macros set up, so I am going that way. I did find that my standard HDR curve (Javs 85 nit or similar) was not bright enough, even adjusted to 1000/80 nit. I will have to fiddle with the inflection point. The colors looked muted - not sure of that is what you guys are considering more natural, but I did not like it. It definitely looked more like pre-WCG days, where colors could not fully saturate.

In the mean time, the ST.2084 gamma with picture tone turned up a couple notches looks great. I had not realized that the ST.2084 settings were universal until Dominic mentioned recently, so I will still need to work out a solution to correct brightness for varying ARs on my CIH screen. Can I read out the ST.2084 curve into Arves and manually duplicate it?
rilyas77 likes this.
ScottAvery is offline  
post #906 of 2218 Old 02-18-2020, 10:32 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 1,216
Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 829 Post(s)
Liked: 435
Quote:
Originally Posted by claw View Post
Do you have a DB9 RS232 cable and 3.5mm audio extension cable run from the HDfury device to the JVC RS-232 port? That is the first step.


DB9 serial to 3.5mm audio cable to connect to the JVC serial port:

https://www.amazon.com/SHARPALIN-Fem...1696766&sr=8-2


25 foot 3.5 mm Audio extension cable to connect from the above cable to the HDfury serial port:

https://www.amazon.com/KabelDirekt-3...1696885&sr=8-6

You can get a shorter one if 25 feet is not needed, or you can connect two extension cables together if the distance from your HDfury to the JVC is longer.


I have attached a screen shot of the Macros tab in my HDfury Diva.

SDR-BT709 (HDTV) for 60P
SDR-BT709 (Film) for 24P

- I have both of these set to DO NOTHING rather than have my JVC switch to my SDR-REC709 user mode. I do this so that the BT2020 filter does not click in and out each time playback of BT2020 material returns to an SDR menu. I watch so little SDR REC709 content that I manually select the user mode when I do.

SDR-BT2020 User 4

- User mode 4 is my SDR BT2020 picture mode. It is configured to use the BT2020 color filter and Gamma 2.4. Source is mainly MadVR playback of UHD discs.

3D
x.v.Color

- Both set to DO NOTHING as I don't watch 3D, and x.v.Color is for older JVC projectors.

HLG-BT709
HLG-BT2020

- Both are set to my User 6 custom user mode. I have a custom HLG curve loaded since my RS500 did not have HLG support like newer models do. I used to get HLG from Directv, but now limited to YouTube HLG videos.

Claw how are you I have 2 last questions for you..
What can i be doing wrong my directv only works with macro SDR-BT709 (Film) for 24P.. I was trying this yesterday while watching the nascar race
If i try directv with SDR-BT709 (HDTV) for 60P (picture mode natural) nothing happens..
The second question is i want to load the HLG curve you use.. Where can i find that and do i use autocal? Thank you
jorgebetancourt is online now  
post #907 of 2218 Old 02-18-2020, 10:37 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Mississauga, ON, Canada
Posts: 8,718
Mentioned: 188 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6273 Post(s)
Liked: 2637
Quote:
Originally Posted by ScottAvery View Post
The colors looked muted - not sure of that is what you guys are considering more natural, but I did not like it. It definitely looked more like pre-WCG days, where colors could not fully saturate.
By that, I mean the colours in LLDV mode match the colours in HDR10 with the correct profile and EOTF.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ScottAvery View Post
In the mean time, the ST.2084 gamma with picture tone turned up a couple notches looks great. I had not realized that the ST.2084 settings were universal until Dominic mentioned recently, so I will still need to work out a solution to correct brightness for varying ARs on my CIH screen. Can I read out the ST.2084 curve into Arves and manually duplicate it?
I don’t think it can be done; don’t see any reasons to do that anyway.

JVC DLA-X550R; Denon AVR-X3400H; HD Fury Linker / Vertex 2; ATV4K; Sony UBP-X700
JVC Curves; Optimizing HDR;
Creating a basic HDR curve using Arve’s Tool;
Replacing JVC Bare Bulbs

Last edited by Dominic Chan; 02-18-2020 at 11:05 AM.
Dominic Chan is online now  
post #908 of 2218 Old 02-18-2020, 11:40 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
ScottAvery's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Great Falls, VA
Posts: 2,004
Mentioned: 26 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 871 Post(s)
Liked: 254
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dominic Chan View Post
By that, I mean the colours in LLDV mode match the colours in HDR10 with the correct profile and EOTF.
I have every reason to believe the problem is the HDR curve, but my expectations may be off as well. I was using Thor Ragnarok as my test as I am very familiar with how it looks in HDR10. Very bright colors, super saturated red in a few scenes, and those reds looked more burgundy than a primary color using the BT.2020 EDID and the Arve's curve. With the same EDID and 2084 settings from your own recommendation (amped up a little for LLDV) it still looked vibrant. I did not notice skin tone being off on either, so I don't think it is extra red, but as intended.
ScottAvery is offline  
post #909 of 2218 Old 02-18-2020, 12:11 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
claw's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: L'Etoile du Nord
Posts: 3,704
Mentioned: 140 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2931 Post(s)
Liked: 2821
Quote:
Originally Posted by jorgebetancourt View Post
Claw how are you I have 2 last questions for you..
What can i be doing wrong my directv only works with macro SDR-BT709 (Film) for 24P.. I was trying this yesterday while watching the nascar race
If i try directv with SDR-BT709 (HDTV) for 60P (picture mode natural) nothing happens..
The second question is i want to load the HLG curve you use.. Where can i find that and do i use autocal? Thank you
Manni's post in the 2015 JVC calibration thread that contains a zip file with Dolby Cinema Emulation curves and an HLG curve.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/24-di...l#post55408090

This is not an Arve curve. You use AccuCal to load the HLG curve to an open custom slot in the JVC.


What this 4K, 1080i, or 720p from Directv?

Some of the 4K channels have content in 24p while other content is 60p. The 1080i and 720p channels should be SDR REC709 60p unless something has changed since I discontinued service. Why would you have separate user modes for SDR REC709 24p vs 60p? I would just set the same user mode in both macros.

CJ
JVC RS500 | LG B7A OLED | Denon X6400H (7.2.4) | X4200W | Panasonic UB820 | Two Oppo 203 | Samsung K8500 | Apple TV 4K | Amazon Fire TV Stick 4K | HDfury Diva/Vertex/Linker/Integral | MadVR with EVGA RTX-2080 Ti
claw is offline  
post #910 of 2218 Old 02-18-2020, 12:43 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Mississauga, ON, Canada
Posts: 8,718
Mentioned: 188 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6273 Post(s)
Liked: 2637
Quote:
Originally Posted by ScottAvery View Post
I have every reason to believe the problem is the HDR curve, but my expectations may be off as well. I was using Thor Ragnarok as my test as I am very familiar with how it looks in HDR10. Very bright colors, super saturated red in a few scenes, and those reds looked more burgundy than a primary color using the BT.2020 EDID and the Arve's curve.
Which player? With ATV4K you can toggle between Dolby Vision and HDR10 easily, without changing the profile or gamma.

JVC DLA-X550R; Denon AVR-X3400H; HD Fury Linker / Vertex 2; ATV4K; Sony UBP-X700
JVC Curves; Optimizing HDR;
Creating a basic HDR curve using Arve’s Tool;
Replacing JVC Bare Bulbs
Dominic Chan is online now  
post #911 of 2218 Old 02-18-2020, 01:34 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
ScottAvery's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Great Falls, VA
Posts: 2,004
Mentioned: 26 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 871 Post(s)
Liked: 254
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dominic Chan View Post
Which player? With ATV4K you can toggle between Dolby Vision and HDR10 easily, without changing the profile or gamma.
Yes I was using the ATV4K. To swap I disable color space matching and manually select it?

It is possible I had modified the curve but I could not remember doing so. I started from Javs original version when I changed it to 1000/80. I can compare to the curve I was using previously as I still have it in another slot.
ScottAvery is offline  
post #912 of 2218 Old 02-18-2020, 01:39 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 1,216
Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 829 Post(s)
Liked: 435
Quote:
Originally Posted by claw View Post
Manni's post in the 2015 JVC calibration thread that contains a zip file with Dolby Cinema Emulation curves and an HLG curve.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/24-di...l#post55408090

This is not an Arve curve. You use AccuCal to load the HLG curve to an open custom slot in the JVC.


What this 4K, 1080i, or 720p from Directv?

Some of the 4K channels have content in 24p while other content is 60p. The 1080i and 720p channels should be SDR REC709 60p unless something has changed since I discontinued service. Why would you have separate user modes for SDR REC709 24p vs 60p? I would just set the same user mode in both macros.
Got it.. Thank you so much...
jorgebetancourt is online now  
post #913 of 2218 Old 02-18-2020, 01:44 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Mississauga, ON, Canada
Posts: 8,718
Mentioned: 188 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6273 Post(s)
Liked: 2637
Quote:
Originally Posted by ScottAvery View Post
Yes I was using the ATV4K. To swap I disable color space matching and manually select it?

It is possible I had modified the curve but I could not remember doing so. I started from Javs original version when I changed it to 1000/80. I can compare to the curve I was using previously as I still have it in another slmot.
No, to swap you just select Dolby Vision or HDR. Do no change Matching for the comparison.

JVC DLA-X550R; Denon AVR-X3400H; HD Fury Linker / Vertex 2; ATV4K; Sony UBP-X700
JVC Curves; Optimizing HDR;
Creating a basic HDR curve using Arve’s Tool;
Replacing JVC Bare Bulbs

Last edited by Dominic Chan; 02-18-2020 at 02:35 PM.
Dominic Chan is online now  
post #914 of 2218 Old 02-18-2020, 05:43 PM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2017
Posts: 349
Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 303 Post(s)
Liked: 74
Back at it!! Downloaded your A1 profile @Dominic Chan . Now I do have the 1200/80 "brighter" v3 Javs curve loaded for my HDR. I adjusted the bo and the black level with ARves Tool and it looks ok to me. However, I do have a slot or two left to try your curve. From memory, I tested my output and it was around the 100nit (or higher) in HDR high lamp. Should I use your 1200/85? Then I read from your original post the download is linked to that we might need some compensation for x7x0 / x9x0 as the curves were made for the x500 series. Since I have x770, you think I need to do anything? As always thanks for all you do!
tswire is online now  
post #915 of 2218 Old 02-18-2020, 05:52 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Mississauga, ON, Canada
Posts: 8,718
Mentioned: 188 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6273 Post(s)
Liked: 2637
Quote:
Originally Posted by tswire View Post
Back at it!! Downloaded your A1 profile @Dominic Chan . Now I do have the 1200/80 "brighter" v3 Javs curve loaded for my HDR. I adjusted the bo and the black level with ARves Tool and it looks ok to me. However, I do have a slot or two left to try your curve. From memory, I tested my output and it was around the 100nit (or higher) in HDR high lamp. Should I use your 1200/85? Then I read from your original post the download is linked to that we might need some compensation for x7x0 / x9x0 as the curves were made for the x500 series. Since I have x770, you think I need to do anything? As always thanks for all you do!
I would actually recommend using Javs curves, unless you need more brightness than what they’re designed for.

Most of my jgd curves include black compensation. Some people like the additional shadow details, others prefer not using them, to get higher visual contrast. The only way to find out is to try them.

JVC DLA-X550R; Denon AVR-X3400H; HD Fury Linker / Vertex 2; ATV4K; Sony UBP-X700
JVC Curves; Optimizing HDR;
Creating a basic HDR curve using Arve’s Tool;
Replacing JVC Bare Bulbs
Dominic Chan is online now  
post #916 of 2218 Old 02-18-2020, 07:56 PM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2017
Posts: 349
Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 303 Post(s)
Liked: 74
Dolby Vision, including HDR10 conversion w/ DTM on Projectors?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dominic Chan View Post
I would actually recommend using Javs curves, unless you need more brightness than what they’re designed for.



Most of my jgd curves include black compensation. Some people like the additional shadow details, others prefer not using them, to get higher visual contrast. The only way to find out is to try them.


Thanks Dominic!! I tried yours in my slot 3 gamma and yup...too bright for my setup so things look good with Javs curve. One thing I noticed is the that LLDV A1F colour profiles is not kicking in my filter on my x770. Is there something I need to do in my settings?

Edit. And sorry I think I read somewhere that you realized after that the flag was not checked for that version. Did I grab an older one ?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
tswire is online now  
post #917 of 2218 Old 02-18-2020, 08:35 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Mississauga, ON, Canada
Posts: 8,718
Mentioned: 188 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6273 Post(s)
Liked: 2637
Quote:
Originally Posted by tswire View Post
Thanks Dominic!! I tried yours in my slot 3 gamma and yup...too bright for my setup so things look good with Javs curve. One thing I noticed is the that LLDV A1F colour profiles is not kicking in my filter on my x770. Is there something I need to do in my settings?
Sometimes you need to restart the projector before the filter behaves as expected.
tswire likes this.

JVC DLA-X550R; Denon AVR-X3400H; HD Fury Linker / Vertex 2; ATV4K; Sony UBP-X700
JVC Curves; Optimizing HDR;
Creating a basic HDR curve using Arve’s Tool;
Replacing JVC Bare Bulbs
Dominic Chan is online now  
post #918 of 2218 Old 02-20-2020, 02:53 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
thrillcat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Ames, Iowa
Posts: 1,684
Mentioned: 59 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 745 Post(s)
Liked: 779
Quote:
Originally Posted by thrillcat View Post
How long before someone creates a nice PDF of how to do this for those of us who are not computer programmers or custom calibrators?

A nice PDF called "Projector Dolby Vision & DTM for Dummies"?

I'd gladly hit the donate button pretty quickly for whomever takes this on.

Also, does this eliminate the need to have a Vertex automatically change the JVC preset based on the MaxFLL & CLL of the current content? If it doesn't negate that need, I'd also donate for a step by step PDF for that process.
Someone? Anyone? I'll put $20 toward a good, easy, step by step for dummies version of this.
Willie, jsil, BobDyl and 1 others like this.

I love my iPhone, but it will never replace my turntable. I've never seen Titanic OR XXXXXXXXX.

The Cinema 1858 Remodel Thread
thrillcat is online now  
post #919 of 2218 Old 02-20-2020, 04:21 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
thrillcat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Ames, Iowa
Posts: 1,684
Mentioned: 59 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 745 Post(s)
Liked: 779
Anyone tried this with the new Nvidia Shield? Can it force DV?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I love my iPhone, but it will never replace my turntable. I've never seen Titanic OR XXXXXXXXX.

The Cinema 1858 Remodel Thread
thrillcat is online now  
post #920 of 2218 Old 02-20-2020, 09:28 PM
Senior Member
 
vollans's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Australia
Posts: 441
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 294 Post(s)
Liked: 246
If you need a string that is set to DCI-P3 primaries as a starting point, to avoid any issues with the Sony A1 profile, I produced this one.

Code:
 eb:01:46:D0:00:45:03:90:88:62:77:97

New Home Cinema: Sony VPL-VW760, Anthem MRX 1120, Q Acoustics 30x0 series speakers fronts, SVS Prime Elevation surround, Proficient C791 Atmos, SVS PB2000 subs, Panasonic DMP-UB820, Sony UBP-X700, Apple TV, Pioneer CLD-D5V laserdisc, FetchTV, Radiance XD-3D and ScreenTechnics Hi Contrast 130" screen
vollans is offline  
post #921 of 2218 Old 02-21-2020, 06:27 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Mississauga, ON, Canada
Posts: 8,718
Mentioned: 188 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6273 Post(s)
Liked: 2637
Quote:
Originally Posted by vollans View Post
If you need a string that is set to DCI-P3 primaries as a starting point, to avoid any issues with the Sony A1 profile, I produced this one.

Code:
 eb:01:46:D0:00:45:03:90:88:62:77:97
Did you use the spreadsheet for the calculation? It has a typo. The second last byte should be 76 instead of 77, using the app. See posts 853 and 854.
atabea and vollans like this.

JVC DLA-X550R; Denon AVR-X3400H; HD Fury Linker / Vertex 2; ATV4K; Sony UBP-X700
JVC Curves; Optimizing HDR;
Creating a basic HDR curve using Arve’s Tool;
Replacing JVC Bare Bulbs

Last edited by Dominic Chan; 02-21-2020 at 09:36 AM.
Dominic Chan is online now  
post #922 of 2218 Old 02-21-2020, 06:30 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
atabea's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 1,800
Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 884 Post(s)
Liked: 719
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dominic Chan View Post
Did you use the spreadsheet for the calculation? The second last byte should be 76, using the app. The spreadsheet has a typo.
Dominic doesn't miss ANYthing
jorgebetancourt likes this.
atabea is offline  
post #923 of 2218 Old 02-21-2020, 12:12 PM
Senior Member
 
vollans's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Australia
Posts: 441
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 294 Post(s)
Liked: 246
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dominic Chan View Post
Did you use the spreadsheet for the calculation? It has a typo.
Thanks for that. I did use the app. There hasn’t been an updated app as well, has there?

New Home Cinema: Sony VPL-VW760, Anthem MRX 1120, Q Acoustics 30x0 series speakers fronts, SVS Prime Elevation surround, Proficient C791 Atmos, SVS PB2000 subs, Panasonic DMP-UB820, Sony UBP-X700, Apple TV, Pioneer CLD-D5V laserdisc, FetchTV, Radiance XD-3D and ScreenTechnics Hi Contrast 130" screen
vollans is offline  
post #924 of 2218 Old 02-22-2020, 01:43 PM
Senior Member
 
BobDyl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: California
Posts: 286
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 163 Post(s)
Liked: 161
I feel like a monkey trying pilot the lunar lander, but I'm going to try Mark's custom Vertex EDID with my JVC 540 HDR profile. Wish me luck. Thanks to all you guys chasing this magical solution....
jorgebetancourt likes this.

5.2.4: JVC RS540 | Stewart Greyhawk 120” 2.35 | AudioControl AVR-9 | Oppo 203 | TV 4K | Xbox One X | Roku Ultra | Triad Rackamp 700 | Gold/6 LCR | Silver surrounds & heights | Bronze/6 subs
5.1: Sony 940E | AudioControl AVR-7 | TV 4K | Xbox One X | Roku Ultra | Tivo Roamio OTA | Triad Rackamp 300 | Bronze/4 LCR | Bronze/4 sub
BobDyl is offline  
post #925 of 2218 Old 02-23-2020, 02:49 AM
Senior Member
 
tanwn1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 297
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 133 Post(s)
Liked: 50
Can a ripped UHD mkv on a hardisk connected to oppo 203 work with LLDV?

Sent from my SM-N960F using Tapatalk
tanwn1 is offline  
post #926 of 2218 Old 02-23-2020, 08:08 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
claw's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: L'Etoile du Nord
Posts: 3,704
Mentioned: 140 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2931 Post(s)
Liked: 2821
Quote:
Originally Posted by tanwn1 View Post
Can a ripped UHD mkv on a hardisk connected to oppo 203 work with LLDV?
If it is a full folder backup, then the Oppo can:

Output a Dolby Vision disc backup directly as LLDV.
Convert an HDR10-only disc backup to Dolby Vision and then output as LLDV.
Convert an SDR disc backup to Dolby Vision and then output as LLDV.

If it is an MKV, the only difference is that there is never a Dolby Vision layer to directly output as LLDV.

Since Dolby Vision direct to LLDV should yield a better result than conversion of HDR10 or SDR, it makes full folder backups a better option than MKV for Dolby Vision discs when you have an Oppo.

CJ
JVC RS500 | LG B7A OLED | Denon X6400H (7.2.4) | X4200W | Panasonic UB820 | Two Oppo 203 | Samsung K8500 | Apple TV 4K | Amazon Fire TV Stick 4K | HDfury Diva/Vertex/Linker/Integral | MadVR with EVGA RTX-2080 Ti

Last edited by claw; 02-23-2020 at 08:12 AM.
claw is offline  
post #927 of 2218 Old 02-23-2020, 03:35 PM
Senior Member
 
BobDyl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: California
Posts: 286
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 163 Post(s)
Liked: 161
Hello Wizards, OK I have set up Mark's custom Vertex EDID and it looks great with my ChadB calibrated HDR picture mode, no red push that I can see. BUT, big question, I leave the main ATV menus in SDR 4K/60 and use match range ON to only fire up HDR with content. With HDR10 it automatically switches my 540 picture mode from SDR to HDR and back. With the vertex it currently always stays in HDR mode. I'm a complete Vertex novice. Any ideas on how to turn autoswitching back on?

The only change I've made to the Vertex is update the firmware and add Mark's custom EDID.

Thanks in advance for any guidance.

5.2.4: JVC RS540 | Stewart Greyhawk 120” 2.35 | AudioControl AVR-9 | Oppo 203 | TV 4K | Xbox One X | Roku Ultra | Triad Rackamp 700 | Gold/6 LCR | Silver surrounds & heights | Bronze/6 subs
5.1: Sony 940E | AudioControl AVR-7 | TV 4K | Xbox One X | Roku Ultra | Tivo Roamio OTA | Triad Rackamp 300 | Bronze/4 LCR | Bronze/4 sub
BobDyl is offline  
post #928 of 2218 Old 02-23-2020, 03:50 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
claw's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: L'Etoile du Nord
Posts: 3,704
Mentioned: 140 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2931 Post(s)
Liked: 2821
Quote:
Originally Posted by BobDyl View Post
Hello Wizards, OK I have set up Mark's custom Vertex EDID and it looks great with my ChadB calibrated HDR picture mode, no red push that I can see. BUT, big question, I leave the main ATV menus in SDR 4K/60 and use match range ON to only fire up HDR with content. With HDR10 it automatically switches my 540 picture mode from SDR to HDR and back. With the vertex it currently always stays in HDR mode. I'm a complete Vertex novice. Any ideas on how to turn autoswitching back on?

The only change I've made to the Vertex is update the firmware and add Mark's custom EDID.

Thanks in advance for any guidance.
With that EDID selected in the Vertex, the ATV4K should be asking you if you want to test Dolby Vision. If you answer NO, then you will get HDR10 from the ATV and never Dolby Vision LLDV.

Once you successfully passed the Dolby Vision test, I would suggest either:

4K60 Dolby Vision with Match Range turned ON:

- You will only get LLDV for actual Dolby Vision content. SDR and HDR10 content will be output as SDR and HDR10. But since most ATV4K content is available in Dolby Vision, that content will be output as LLDV.

4K60 Dolby Vision with Match Range turned OFF:

- You will get LLDV output for all content. SDR and HDR10 content will be converted to Dolby Vision and output as LLDV.

CJ
JVC RS500 | LG B7A OLED | Denon X6400H (7.2.4) | X4200W | Panasonic UB820 | Two Oppo 203 | Samsung K8500 | Apple TV 4K | Amazon Fire TV Stick 4K | HDfury Diva/Vertex/Linker/Integral | MadVR with EVGA RTX-2080 Ti
claw is offline  
post #929 of 2218 Old 02-23-2020, 04:41 PM
Senior Member
 
BobDyl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: California
Posts: 286
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 163 Post(s)
Liked: 161
Dolby Vision, including HDR10 conversion w/ DTM on Projectors?

Quote:
Originally Posted by claw View Post
With that EDID selected in the Vertex, the ATV4K should be asking you if you want to test Dolby Vision. If you answer NO, then you will get HDR10 from the ATV and never Dolby Vision LLDV.



Once you successfully passed the Dolby Vision test, I would suggest either:



4K60 Dolby Vision with Match Range turned ON:



- You will only get LLDV for actual Dolby Vision content. SDR and HDR10 content will be output as SDR and HDR10. But since most ATV4K content is available in Dolby Vision, that content will be output as LLDV.



4K60 Dolby Vision with Match Range turned OFF:



- You will get LLDV output for all content. SDR and HDR10 content will be converted to Dolby Vision and output as LLDV.


Thanks for this, I definitely got DV initially, but now I'm getting no signal whatsoever... will continue to experiment...

--> Note: I think this is not quite correct: "4K60 Dolby Vision with Match Range turned ON:- You will only get LLDV for actual Dolby Vision content. SDR and HDR10 content will be output as SDR and HDR10."

Once you pass the DV "test," you want the Format option to be set in 4K SDR with Match Range ON. Result is correct looking menus and SDR content, and then correct DV from DV content. This is how it works on my flat panel. If you have Format as DV, literally everything including menus is in DV, and it looks horrible...

5.2.4: JVC RS540 | Stewart Greyhawk 120” 2.35 | AudioControl AVR-9 | Oppo 203 | TV 4K | Xbox One X | Roku Ultra | Triad Rackamp 700 | Gold/6 LCR | Silver surrounds & heights | Bronze/6 subs
5.1: Sony 940E | AudioControl AVR-7 | TV 4K | Xbox One X | Roku Ultra | Tivo Roamio OTA | Triad Rackamp 300 | Bronze/4 LCR | Bronze/4 sub

Last edited by BobDyl; 02-24-2020 at 05:36 AM.
BobDyl is offline  
post #930 of 2218 Old 02-24-2020, 09:19 AM
Member
 
DavCap78's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2018
Posts: 65
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 50 Post(s)
Liked: 30
Quote:
Originally Posted by claw View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by tanwn1 View Post
Can a ripped UHD mkv on a hardisk connected to oppo 203 work with LLDV?
If it is a full folder backup, then the Oppo can:

Output a Dolby Vision disc backup directly as LLDV.
Convert an HDR10-only disc backup to Dolby Vision and then output as LLDV.
Convert an SDR disc backup to Dolby Vision and then output as LLDV.

If it is an MKV, the only difference is that there is never a Dolby Vision layer to directly output as LLDV.

Since Dolby Vision direct to LLDV should yield a better result than conversion of HDR10 or SDR, it makes full folder backups a better option than MKV for Dolby Vision discs when you have an Oppo.
I tested with my Oppo 203 and it doesn’t convert MKV (from SMB) to Dolby LLDV.
Did someone else try it?
My vertex2 still display HDR (config on Oppo: hdr set to Dolby Vision + player LED).
DavCap78 is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply High Dynamic Range (HDR) & Wide Color Gamut (WCG)

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page


Forum Jump: 

Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off