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Hi.
Apologies if this has been asked before but I would ideally want to use separate EDIDs for TX0 and TX1.

Is there a way to save my custom 'automix' DV/HDR EDID to one of the 'custom' slots (say 10 as that seems to be 'free') so I can then assign different EDIDs to input 0 and input 1 so that TX0 and TX 1 use different ones?

Thanks.
Yes, but please mention which device you are using and may be ask directly in the corresponding thread.

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Yes, but please mention which device you are using and may be ask directly in the corresponding thread.
Can someone (@HDfury or @claw ) please provide the instructions and have @Bytehoven edit the first post to include it?

I’m sure it has been posted somewhere already, but with separate threads for similar devices (Vertex2, Diva, Maestro) and the inadequate search engine it is very hard to find it.

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Can someone (@HDfury or @claw ) please provide the instructions and have @Bytehoven edit the first post to include it?

I’m sure it has been posted somewhere already, but with separate threads for similar devices (Vertex2, Diva, Maestro) and the inadequate search engine it is very hard to find it.
Upcoming FW will have a special button to save automix edid directly to custom edid bank 10.

In the meantime, the process is quite easy:

Make sure you are in automix mode and that your current automix edid is working fine as you want.
Then under webserver > EDID > click "DOWNLOAD ACTIVE EDID TABLES" for any RX input (RX0, RX1, RX2 or RX3), that will prompt to save the edid used at input as a .BIN file.
Then at the bottom of webserver > EDID > click "select a file" and browse to that previously saved automix edid, select the table where you want to upload it with "TABLE #" and click "SEND EDID"
Now, set Custom EDID mode and assign each custom EDID you want for each input you want to use it with. That's it.

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Thanks for your quick response. How about my other question about Ultra 4K automatically upscale to DV ?

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Also, how do I select different input manually from the Vertex2 Apps ? Thanks

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Yes, but please mention which device you are using and may be ask directly in the corresponding thread.
I have a Vertex 2. Thanks.

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Hi all,

Is it normal when playing back Ultra 4K movies in Netflix, it will be upscale to DV automatically ?
Also, why when I power off my Panny 820, there is OSD in blue letters said this unit is ‘Diva’ n not Vertex2 ?

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Thanks for your quick response. How about my other question about Ultra 4K automatically upscale to DV ?
Please quote original post if its not on the same page (at least if you write to me please).

Your other question is source related, nothing to do with our devices, so i cannot help on that, i don't have that player, i think Claw explained everything already, just reading his post history will teach you a lot.

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Also, how do I select different input manually from the Vertex2 Apps ? Thanks
> "Set TX0 from" or "Set TX1 from" and then "in0", "in1", "in2", "in3", or copy the other TX output

Try to ask device related question in device related thread, so this thread can stay on topic. thanx.

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I have a Vertex 2. Thanks.
Then the method is same as explained a few posts above:

Make sure you are in automix mode and that your current automix edid is working fine as you want.
Then under webserver > EDID > click "DOWNLOAD ACTIVE EDID TABLES" for any RX input (RX0, RX1, RX2 or RX3), that will prompt to save the edid used at input as a .BIN file.
Then at the bottom of webserver > EDID > click "select a file" and browse to that previously saved automix edid, select the table where you want to upload it with "TABLE #" and click "SEND EDID"
Now, set Custom EDID mode and assign each custom EDID you want for each input you want to use it with. That's it.

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This is what I used (from vollan)

Vertex 2 Guide

Assumes you're putting the Vertex 2 between the receiver and the projector.

Go to the web page for your Vertex 2, click on Config tab. Go down to FW Update. Upload new 0.49 firmware. Wait a minute.

Clear browser cache, then reload page.

EDID Tab

Check Automix
Video flags TX0 (main output that is primarily for 4k)
Audio flags stereo (projector doesn't do sound anyway)
HDR Flags - check HLG as the projector does support that
DV Flags - check box

Scaler Tab

Check Autoscaling radio button
Tick box to not upscale for TX0

HDR/AVI Tab

Check "Use custom HDR... input is LLDV"

EOTF, set as SMPTE ST 2084, BT2020-2, D65
Max luminate 1000
Min Luminance 0.005
Max CLL 1000 (matches HDR Ref on Sony)
MaxFALL leave at 400

Click Create IF
Click Send HDR

DV Tab

Construct Custom DV Data Block

DV Interface Low Latency 12 bit YCbCR 422 (haven't tried other options yet)
Primaries DCI P3
YUV 422 12 bit supported
Global Dimming not supported
Backlight not supported
Backlight min lum n/a

Set primaries. Unless you have your own values from calibrations, I suggest you stick to the standard RGB primaries.

Max luminance, set at 1000 nits to match the Ref HDR curve. Min luminance, set at 0.005, which seems to work well with projectors.

Click create, then send DV.

OSD Tab

Change fade time as it gets flipping annoying...

Config Tab

Check HDCP 1.4 to make it quicker syncs and slightly less bandwidth, therefore slightly better reliability on long runs

Enjoy!

If I find anything that needs tweaking, I'll update the post.
what is this about.. If you check hdcp 1.4 you get quicker syncs?
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what is this about.. If you check hdcp 1.4 you get quicker syncs?
I too wondered that. Surely selecting HDCP1. 4 will stop 4kUHDs from working correctly?

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@HDfury Many thanks for the instructions. I look forward to the firmware that will simplify the process.

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I too wondered that. Surely selecting HDCP1. 4 will stop 4kUHDs from working correctly?
No, HDCP setting is for OUTPUT, not input, so it does not change anything for the input side of things.

setting HDCP1.4 allow a slightly quicker sync and allow slightly less stress on cable.

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Thanks @HDfury, good to know. Let us know @jorgebetancourt
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This is what I used (from vollan)
All looks good. Although I would not check the HLG check box unless I have any HLG source content.

Update: OK, I found my post about LLDV, Send Custom HDR, and AVR OSD. It may or may not be related to the issue you are experiencing with SDR.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/37-vi...l#post59081482

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So does anything need to be selected in the HDR metadata generator section?
I am using this with a JVC rs400 so I assume I don’t want to send HDR so it won’t switch to Gamma D.
Also I am using the custom 2020 EDID, so does anything change in the primaries or luminance settings?
Thanks for any help.
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So does anything need to be selected in the HDR metadata generator section?
I am using this with a JVC rs400 so I assume I don’t want to send HDR so it won’t switch to Gamma D.
Also I am using the custom 2020 EDID, so does anything change in the primaries or luminance settings?
Thanks for any help.
With a RS400 you don't want to send custom HDR10 metadata.

If you don't send custom metadata then the HDR Metadata Generator fields have no effect.

Also, if you are using a custom EDID, the Custom Dolby Vision Data Block fields are not used. Everything is contained in the EDID and you can't change anything without creating a new EDID.

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Good to know, thanks again Claw.
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All looks good. Although I would not check the HLG check box unless I have any HLG source content.



Update: OK, I found my post about LLDV, Send Custom HDR, and AVR OSD. It may or may not be related to the issue you are experiencing with SDR.



https://www.avsforum.com/forum/37-vi...l#post59081482

So I figured out why. user error. On the projector, I was using HDR as HDR Reference instead of Auto my bad

That had been recommended as the one to use since it is tailored for 1000 nits.

I still can’t get the UB820 to output in Dolby Vision but again that might be user error. I think when Dynamic Range Optimizer is on, Dolby Vision is disabled? I have to say I prefer Panasonic’s Dynamic Range optimized effect to the Oppo 203 outputting in Dolby Vision.
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This is what I used (from vollan)

Vertex 2 Guide

Assumes you're putting the Vertex 2 between the receiver and the projector.

Go to the web page for your Vertex 2, click on Config tab. Go down to FW Update. Upload new 0.49 firmware. Wait a minute.

Clear browser cache, then reload page.

EDID Tab

Check Automix
Video flags TX0 (main output that is primarily for 4k)
Audio flags stereo (projector doesn't do sound anyway)
HDR Flags - check HLG as the projector does support that
DV Flags - check box

Scaler Tab

Check Autoscaling radio button
Tick box to not upscale for TX0

HDR/AVI Tab

Check "Use custom HDR... input is LLDV"

EOTF, set as SMPTE ST 2084, BT2020-2, D65
Max luminate 1000
Min Luminance 0.005
Max CLL 1000 (matches HDR Ref on Sony)
MaxFALL leave at 400

Click Create IF
Click Send HDR

DV Tab

Construct Custom DV Data Block

DV Interface Low Latency 12 bit YCbCR 422 (haven't tried other options yet)
Primaries DCI P3
YUV 422 12 bit supported
Global Dimming not supported
Backlight not supported
Backlight min lum n/a

Set primaries. Unless you have your own values from calibrations, I suggest you stick to the standard RGB primaries.

Max luminance, set at 1000 nits to match the Ref HDR curve. Min luminance, set at 0.005, which seems to work well with projectors.

Click create, then send DV.

OSD Tab

Change fade time as it gets flipping annoying...

Config Tab

Check HDCP 1.4 to make it quicker syncs and slightly less bandwidth, therefore slightly better reliability on long runs

Enjoy!

If I find anything that needs tweaking, I'll update the post.
Thanks.

On that HDCP 1.4, that doesn't have any ill effects? I just remember when my Sony projector wasn't set to enhanced, my Panasonic player started downscaling 4k HDR content to 1080p SDR.

My Vertex2 arrived yesterday BTW so I'll be playing about on the weekend!
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Thanks.



On that HDCP 1.4, that doesn't have any ill effects? I just remember when my Sony projector wasn't set to enhanced, my Panasonic player started downscaling 4k HDR content to 1080p SDR.



My Vertex2 arrived yesterday BTW so I'll be playing about on the weekend!


As hdfury clarified,

HDCP1.4 is on the output side - not input side.

The Vertex 2 still appears as an HDCP2.2 device so the source is still sending the full 4K signal.

The Vertex 2 is merely using HDCP1.4 to the projector. The display doesn’t downscale to 1080p with that. That said I’m still leaving that unchecked.
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As hdfury clarified,

HDCP1.4 is on the output side - not input side.

The Vertex 2 still appears as an HDCP2.2 device so the source is still sending the full 4K signal.

The Vertex 2 is merely using HDCP1.4 to the projector. The display doesn’t downscale to 1080p with that. That said I’m still leaving that unchecked.
I have been running with HDCP 1.4 output for years with no ill affects.
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So I figured out why. user error. On the projector, I was using HDR as HDR Reference instead of Auto my bad

That had been recommended as the one to use since it is tailored for 1000 nits.

I still can’t get the UB820 to output in Dolby Vision but again that might be user error. I think when Dynamic Range Optimizer is on, Dolby Vision is disabled? I have to say I prefer Panasonic’s Dynamic Range optimized effect to the Oppo 203 outputting in Dolby Vision.
I don't know why you have issues with the UB820. I have none.

No, the Optimizer turned ON does not disable Dolby Vision. The Optimizer is not utilized when processing Dolby Vision source content. Not utilized for HD Blu-Ray discs either.

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I don't know why you have issues with the UB820. I have none.



No, the Optimizer turned ON does not disable Dolby Vision. The Optimizer is not utilized when processing Dolby Vision source content. Not utilized for HD Blu-Ray discs either.


Is the Vertex 2 connected to the Panasonic directly or through AVR in your setup?
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My HDFury Vertex 2 arrived today!!

I am re-reading this thread before attempting to set up etc.. I plan to put the Vertex 2 in the theater room and place it between the AVR (Denon X8500) and the projector (Epson 4ke/HDR) in the theater.. (so, in between monitor 1HDMI out and HDMI1 input on projector).

Once I figure out what i need to do for setup steps and settings, i will set up tomorrow or read for next couple of days, and set up on the weekend!!

I do currently have multiple outputs on my Denon AVR in the theater (monitor 1 to projector in theater, then monitor 2 goes to game room OLED, then monitor 3/zone 2 to guest room OLED). Theater room has a media closet in the back of the room that is the is home run location for all the HDMIs, ethernet, and speaker wire from all the upstairs rooms. So this allows me to use the devices in the theater for 3 different rooms. --Also, if you use those connect devices, it goes to the lowest common denominator, so having one 1080P device reduces everything to 1080P, having one HDR10 only device, reduces all devices to HDR10, playing same source in main zone and zone 2 will reduce to stereo, etc.. So, i do not connect the 1080P display and I try not to play same content in main zone and zone 2 etc..

Before adding any hdfury device (which also seems like an incredible splitter device!!!), everything works great for zone 2 and game room, and the AVR sends Dolby Vision to both separate rooms flawlessly AS LONG as projector is turned off. if projector is on, then the additional rooms will only get HDR10 sent, and I lose Dolby Vision.

(that is always something I can experiment with, since the vertex 2 also has multiple outputs)

I know I like to make things more complicated than they ever need to be, so this vertex 2 gives me endless options. Hoping to get good HDR in theater after reading all the positive reviews!

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I have been running with HDCP 1.4 output for years with no ill affects.
About how much time does it save you im trying it now but its hard to tell if is any faster.. how many seconds would u guess..

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Setting at 1.4 is especially noticeable for speed of sync with blu rays and UHDs when they transition from the player menu to trailers to stingers to disc menu to film. If you only watch online streaming you probably wouldn't get as much benefit. Nearly every time with discs I would never see the Warner Bros or Paramount intros.

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Is the Vertex 2 connected to the Panasonic directly or through AVR in your setup?
Not a Vertex2 but a Diva; same thing.

UB820 > Denon X6400H AVR > Diva > JVC RS500

All my players are connected to my AVR. My UB820, Oppo 203, and ATV4K all send LLDV.

I even confirmed I can get LLDV from my Fire Stick 4K and Chromecast Ultra that I normally have set up in a different room.

I have my Diva set to Automix with the check boxes marked for

DV FLAGS: CUSTOM STRING (DV data block fields and string are unchanged from the default values)
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Please quote original post if its not on the same page (at least if you write to me please).

Your other question is source related, nothing to do with our devices, so i cannot help on that, i don't have that player, i think Claw explained everything already, just reading his post history will teach you a lot.



> "Set TX0 from" or "Set TX1 from" and then "in0", "in1", "in2", "in3", or copy the other TX output

Try to ask device related question in device related thread, so this thread can stay on topic. thanx.



Then the method is same as explained a few posts above:

Make sure you are in automix mode and that your current automix edid is working fine as you want.
Then under webserver > EDID > click "DOWNLOAD ACTIVE EDID TABLES" for any RX input (RX0, RX1, RX2 or RX3), that will prompt to save the edid used at input as a .BIN file.
Then at the bottom of webserver > EDID > click "select a file" and browse to that previously saved automix edid, select the table where you want to upload it with "TABLE #" and click "SEND EDID"
Now, set Custom EDID mode and assign each custom EDID you want for each input you want to use it with. That's it.

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About how much time does it save you im trying it now but its hard to tell if is any faster.. how many seconds would u guess..
I don't know that I could measure it in seconds. The advantage of 1.4 is that the HDCP handshaking protocol between the HDfury device and the display is simpler than the more complex handshaking required for HDCP 2.2. Less chance for HDCP errors occurring.
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Setting at 1.4 is especially noticeable for speed of sync with blu rays and UHDs when they transition from the player menu to trailers to stingers to disc menu to film. If you only watch online streaming you probably wouldn't get as much benefit. Nearly every time with discs I would never see the Warner Bros or Paramount intros.
Got it.. I'm about 50 50.. half stream half disc..

I tried while streaming today but couldn't tell but ill leave at 1.4..

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I don't know that I could measure it in seconds. The advantage of 1.4 is that the HDCP handshaking protocol between the HDfury device and the display is simpler than the more complex handshaking required for HDCP 2.2. Less chance for HDCP errors occurring.
OK cool. So 4k HDR is possible under the HDCP1.4 format? It is just some copy protection layer in 2.2 that makes it slower/more complicated?
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