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Paladin-C DCR Pre-Order Program

I'm excited to announce pre-production development of a new “Compact” Paladin-C DCR lens system ($6,995 MSRP) as a limited-production model compatible with the anamorphic modes integrated into all new JVC and Sony native 4K/4096 projector models. As we have done for many years with our new products, we have opened up a special pre-production, pre-order discount program for AVS Forum members ($4,495 pre-order price). This discount is for a limited time only. Once we have a certain quantity of orders, including from our dealers, the discounted pre-order price window will close. Please visit the Panamorph Paladin-C DCR Page for more information.

The bottom line is that the new Compact DCR provides all the benefits of the standard Paladin DCR (see the highly popular Paladin DCR Owner's Thread) but with a more limited throw ratio due to its smaller size. For JVC RS1000 and RS2000, and Sony VW295ES and VW695ES projector models the Compact DCR will support a minimum throw ratio of 1.6:1. For other projectors a minimum throw ratio of 1.8:1 is generally recommended but please ask before ordering.

Please feel free to post questions in this thread as a community forum for the pre-order program and, to the extent you want, as an "anticipation thread". Once units are delivered we may continue installation and other comments here or migrate the discussion to an owner's thread if that evolves, perhaps either here or in the >$3,000 projector forum.
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I was in with the Phoenix DCR, but the Paladin-DCR has a throw distance that is too long for me. I have a JVC RS-2000 with a throw distance of 1.6.

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I was in with the Phoenix DCR, but the Paladin-DCR has a throw distance that is too long for me. I have a JVC RS-2000 with a throw distance of 1.6.
I’m in if the new C-DCR can get me to 1.6:1 on my RS2000.
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I’m in if the new C-DCR can get me to 1.6:1 on my RS2000.
That's possible. We're looking at some customizations of the C-DCR for some specific projectors including the RS2000 that can get it closer to the projector lens to support the lower ratio.

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I’m in if throw distance is not a problem with my setup. I’m getting a Sony vw295es.
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I'm in.

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I'm in for my vw 1100. I missed out on the DCR lens in the past. I should be about a 2.0 throw ratio. Will it handle a large lens like on the VW 1100 ?
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I'm in for my vw 1100. I missed out on the DCR lens in the past. I should be about a 2.0 throw ratio. Will it handle a large lens like on the VW 1100 ?
It's possible. As a minimum, you wouldn't be able to use the lens door - the C-DCR would need to get right up to the 1100 lens. At 2.0:1 TR your beam should be small enough. However, please fill your screen with a bright image, then put a piece of paper at the front of the lens and measure the beam spot height and width on the paper. That way we should be able to confirm compatibility.

Side note though - the 1100 doesn't have 4K anamorphic processing - only 1080. You'd need a Lumagen processor for full 4K/4096 anamorphic.

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It's possible. As a minimum, you wouldn't be able to use the lens door - the C-DCR would need to get right up to the 1100 lens. At 2.0:1 TR your beam should be small enough. However, please fill your screen with a bright image, then put a piece of paper at the front of the lens and measure the beam spot height and width on the paper. That way we should be able to confirm compatibility.

Side note though - the 1100 doesn't have 4K anamorphic processing - only 1080. You'd need a Lumagen processor for full 4K/4096 anamorphic.
Thanks Shawn. I will measure the height and width. I am using an HTPC and Jriver so the scaling is covered there.
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I'm in for my NX7. Who'd have thought I'd end up with two JVC projectors and two Paladin's .
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How is the Paladin-C DCR "Identical in use and performance to the standard Paladin DCR lens", and how does it differ?

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How is the Paladin-C DCR "Identical in use and performance to the standard Paladin DCR lens", and how does it differ?
Hi Murray. The only difference is that the Paladin-C DCR is a more compact version of the standard Paladin DCR. Because it is smaller it can only work with smaller beams that result from higher throw ratios. The Paladin DCR can go down to a throw ratio of 1.4:1 whereas the Paladin-C DCR can only go down to 1.6:1 for targeted Sony and JVC projectors, and a higher minimum throw ratio for other projectors. Other than that - it's the same technology, same performance - just smaller optics.

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Hi Murray. The only difference is that the Paladin-C DCR is a more compact version of the standard Paladin DCR. Because it is smaller it can only work with smaller beams that result from higher throw ratios. The Paladin DCR can go down to a throw ratio of 1.4:1 whereas the Paladin-C DCR can only go down to 1.6:1 for targeted Sony and JVC projectors, and a higher minimum throw ratio for other projectors. Other than that - it's the same technology, same performance - just smaller optics.
Shawn, thanks for the explantion.

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I am in for NX7.

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NX7 Lens is back 14’5” from 115” wide screen...will that work?
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So does that mean for the RS3000/NX9 you are limited to the 1.8:1 throw ratio?
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I believe that puts you @ 1.5.1, which is also my minimum throw distance. Paladin says 1.6.1 minimum throw due to its compact design. You may have to go non-compact, I hope I'm incorrect and it can go @ 1.5.1, then I would probably purchase as well. I can't afford the non-compact model.

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So does that mean for the RS3000/NX9 you are limited to the 1.8:1 throw ratio?
Possibly higher because the RS3000 lens is so huge. I should have a better idea on that next week.

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NX7 Lens is back 14’5” from 115” wide screen...will that work?
Indeed, unfortunately 1.5:1 is too low.

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Indeed, unfortunately 1.5:1 is too low.
So 1.6 throw ratio minimum for NX5, NX7, RS1000, and RS2000. Any restrictions as far as mounting ceiling vs shelf mount or inverted as far as placement in relation to the screen? Looking at the pictures the plate mounts to the bottom or the side with the feet. Is there enough adjustability to provide for above screen mounting if close to the 1.6 ratio?
I'm guessing the lens is going to have to be placed very close to the lens on the projector. I was thinking this might reduce some of the mounting possibilities in relation to the screen due to the limited adjustability because of the compactness of the lens. In other words is shelf mounting at close to the minimum throw going to limit my placement to dead center of the screen and how much flexibility is there in the placement at minimum throw?

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So 1.6 throw ratio minimum for NX5, NX7, RS1000, and RS2000. Any restrictions as far as mounting ceiling vs shelf mount or inverted as far as placement in relation to the screen? Looking at the pictures the plate mounts to the bottom or the side with the feet. Is there enough adjustability to provide for above screen mounting if close to the 1.6 ratio?
I'm guessing the lens is going to have to be placed very close to the lens on the projector. I was thinking this might reduce some of the mounting possibilities in relation to the screen due to the limited adjustability because of the compactness of the lens. In other words is shelf mounting at close to the minimum throw going to limit my placement to dead center of the screen and how much flexibility is there in the placement at minimum throw?
That's a great question! We do indeed take into account that projectors are typically vertically mounted at or above the screen top, and that the farther above, the more the beam comes out of the lower section of the projector lens. So yes, the C-CDR will work at the 1.6:1 ratio from at or above the screen top (perhaps up to 10") and will also work with the projector either shelf or ceiling mounted.
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Shawn,

I just wanted to confirm. I have a JVC RS-2000. 122" width image. 19ft from screen. lens about 6" above top of screen. I am calculating a 1.87 ratio so, I should be good to go, yes?

Also, It reads Paladin-C DCR approximatley 43% brighter. The standard Paladin DCR I thought was at 38%? Why is this different if it's just a more compact lens? Marketing? lol

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Shawn,

I just wanted to confirm. I have a JVC RS-2000. 122" width image. 19ft from screen. lens about 6" above top of screen. I am calculating a 1.87 ratio so, I should be good to go, yes?

Also, It reads Paladin-C DCR approximatley 43% brighter. The standard Paladin DCR I thought was at 38%? Why is this different if it's just a more compact lens? Marketing? lol

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"2.6 million pixels and roughly 43% higher brightness compared to the standard letterbox image"
Hi Tom,

Yes, your theater is good to go.

We always like to qualify our enhancement numbers by "compared to what?" If the projector is in normal letterbox mode then the enhancement is 2.6 million more pixels. If you compare the anamorphic setup to the "Zoom" non-anamorphic setting in the projector that can take letterbox to 4096 wide then the enhancement is 1.7 million more pixels.
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Here is my current setup
Projector - JVC X790R
Current Projector to Screen distance - 19' 5"
Screen width - 133" (2.39:1)
Throw Ratio - 1.75

I am thinking of waiting till CEDIA to see if JVC releases a successor to NX7.

Will this len maintain compatibility with future JVC lineup or is there no way to confirm that at this time?

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Here is my current setup
Projector - JVC X790R
Current Projector to Screen distance - 19' 5"
Screen width - 133" (2.39:1)
Throw Ratio - 1.75

I am thinking of waiting till CEDIA to see if JVC releases a successor to NX7.

Will this len maintain compatibility with future JVC lineup or is there no way to confirm that at this time?
No way to absolutely confirm at this time. I doubt they would go away from 4096/4K resolution or a substantially different projector/lens design that would make the C-DCR not work (for example, extremely recessed) but that's only a guess.

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Any idea when the next "B" stock sale will come along?

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On the regular Paladin DCR? If at all this year it would be perhaps August. B-Stock DCRs are extremely rare.
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That's a great question! We do indeed take into account that projectors are typically vertically mounted at or above the screen top, and that the farther above, the more the beam comes out of the lower section of the projector lens. So yes, the C-CDR will work at the 1.6:1 ratio from at or above the screen top (perhaps up to 10") and will also work with the projector either shelf or ceiling mounted.
How big of a difference are we talking with a throw distance on an rs2000 1.8 vs 1.6 Shawn? Noticeable?

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How big of a difference are we talking with a throw distance on an rs2000 1.8 vs 1.6 Shawn? Noticeable?
The only perhaps noticeable difference between 1.6:1 and 1.8:1 would be slightly less distortion towards the image edge at the 1.8:1 but even at 1.6:1 that will be hard to see once masked with the screen border.
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Update: The pre-order price will increase from $3,495 to $4,495 on Friday, March 13, 2020.

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