Originally Posted by alan0354
I am in scientific field, there are more politics and bias in so called scientific report. You can take the same set of data and spin it in complete opposite conclusion by picking and choosing the data.
Obviously, but you can't "spin" raw
data. In fact, that data exists for the sole purpose of "spin" and that "spin" (for intellectually honest people) isn't "spin" at all...it's just raw data analysis to bin it and organize it by the (lots of) potential variables in the sample (age, health, geographic region, etc). If one misuses that data (like the media, IMO) then that's their bad...the result, of course, is often linked with their motivation -- they want to spread fear, they will; they want to spread hate, they will.... It's not surprising when the response tracks the motivation behind it...there's your "spin".
Which is to say, I've been done with mainstream media for a long
time, but...it is reconfirmed how atrocious they are as a business and, often, as people. Some of the news anchors need to be fired...but, their type of news drives ratings up (because people (not individuals, people, together, when you group them) are often dumb and prefer dramas and easy information and group-think to fact and documentaries, lol -- which is my preference occasionally, but certainly never
when it comes to my real bloody life
It's easy to control the spread of the virus. Look at China, they have it well under control in short 3 months. You see in news 4 men carry a middle age sick woman and threw her into the truck, one person holding one of her limb carrying her out from her house? They literally blocked all the roads leading out of Wuhan one day and nobody can go in and out. Force all the sick into somewhere. You don't know those people ever make it out alive. That will control the virus spread very quick and efficient. BUT, you want this in this country?
Want? No. But, if a more potent strain were to materialize, you can damn well believe I'd support some of
it! Sometimes the good of the whole has to come before the freedoms of some.
Unfortunately, this may not have been the virus to test that on...or maybe it was. We just don't have, IMO, sufficient data yet. But, as some have said, "how long were we supposed to wait for data before reacting". I suppose, they have a point...but, we need to learn to collect data faster, more efficiently, and act upon that rather than our emotions (and greed was certainly a prevailing emotion in this go-round, IMO!). Regardless, we should have acted in a more data-forward way that would have allowed for efficient data gathering. For a variety of reasons (most due to the ineptitude and biases of the current administration, both before and during the outbreak, IMO) we did not.
This country is doing the best we can do already, we closed the border to China in January, close the border to the whole Europe as soon as the situation got hot. That itself saved a lot of lives. Based on result the spread is a lot slower in USA than other countries, still a lot fewer died compare to the rest of the world given the size and population of USA.
We did all that, and yet here we are. Know why? Because all that was not
the right way to handle this! The right
way to handle it would be to have a good working relation with China (really, we need working relations with the world, not isolationism) so we could have had tests on the ready ASAP! This way, we could test healthy and sick people, and begin our back-traces ASAP as soon as people with even minimal viral load were found.
Doing that, we'd also have more data about the virus in general instead of the speculation and skewed sample-sets we're working off.
So, tell me how you're in the science field all you want, but, IMO, your ability to analyze proper response is motivated by the wrong things. This is evidenced by, IMO, you thinking a "closed border" is the solution. Get your xenophobic thoughts out of my backyard, please, I'm too intelligent for it.
So far, the latest number of death is a little over 1000, it's bad, but it can be a whole lot worst. I am sure more will die before it level off, BUT I am optimistic we won't be anything like Italy when it all said and done because of how we control our border and the effort in produce medication to fight the virus.
I'm unsure I have enough data to be optimistic about anything. But, the data I do have, as limited as it is, does make me believe you're right -- however, it's only because Italy's population make-up and density in the areas most effected. That sample is not relevant to, say, NYC or CA -- it's just not. Trying to apply their aggregate death tolls to our population is an incorrect application of statistics. It may have to do with how we "controlled our border", but...if it spreads like they say, it'd only have taken a handful of people, and, if
it has a 2week incubation period (still unsure those numbers are accurate, but everything I've said about how we should
test would only help nail them down), we could never have closed the borders early enough (last I checked, no one is omniscient).
Last but not the least, parents should control their kids, they are the ones that ignore the warnings. They think they are invincible, they just want to sneak out and party and bring the virus back and infect their parents and grand parents.
It's always the kids...and, for this one, statistically
, they are
more invincible (thankfully, I suppose...well, unless you're a crotchety get-off-my-lawner...are you?).