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post #301 of 330 Old 06-30-2020, 09:01 AM
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Personally I don't see it being profitable enough for these places to open--people are still paranoid,wont feel secure enough to want to be cooped up next to potential "spreaders" with no symptoms,and the reduced seating limitations of 25-50% aren't going to pull in enough revenue..many folks are so fed up with all the ridiculous restrictions placed on many businesses simply don't go !.--like eating out,if you want to be seated indoors many places insist on taking your temperature,have you sign a waiver,and leave your "contact info" at the door,or you wont be allowed in...this will lead to many of the places going under for good..especially concert venues..
What's your suggestion? The alternative is that they just close for the time being, and hope that they can survive, their bank gives them a break and defers payments, or they get bailed out by the government. I won't go to a restaurant, I think it's an insane concept in a pandemic, but we'll see if states can mitigate enough risk in it to more than offset the increased risk of having them open at all.
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I don't have any good answer either--it seems we are faced with two choices--go ahead and open everything up and pray that not too many more die from covid exposure,and hope herd immunity works--or stay home,sit and vegetate,do nothing the rest of our lives,and pray we can somehow get enough money to survive,and escape being infected..too bad China couldn't be held responsible,send them the bill for infecting the world..But our own government was supposedly involved with financing the lab this virus came from too,so that'll never happen..

I feel bad for all the music artists and fans that have had their main source of income and entertainment suddenly pulled out from under them--the owners of small businesses forced to stay closed,or operate at such reduced capacity its not profitable...people forced to stay home and try to tutor their kids with "home schooling"..no day care..it'll be a long hard road for many parents to get back to work if they still even have jobs if and when this subsides..some day care centers are starting to open on a very limited basis here,but there isn't enough to handle the load..

I do not see a vaccine being the "end" of this either--like the flu,this will mutate every year and a vaccine won't be very effective..
I do not trust any vaccine to not have harmful side effects and or be some "tracking device" either..

As I type this I'm watching the news on TV,and Dr.Fauci is now saying a new flu strain in pigs in China "could be the next pandemic"..
I guess the fearmongering wont stop until after the election....
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Not the rest of our lives. Maybe the rest of the year, maybe a little longer. Until there’s a vaccine. BIG difference, especially when you’re talking about fear mongering.


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(Snip).But our own government was supposedly involved with financing the lab this virus came from too,so that'll never happen..(Snip)

Someone needs to leave the "conspiracy theory" websites and come out into the light. Repeat after me " The novel coronavirus was not created in a lab". Go ahead you can do it. It's not hard.

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... As I type this I'm watching the news on TV,and Dr.Fauci is now saying a new flu strain in pigs in China "could be the next pandemic"..
I guess the fearmongering wont stop until after the election....
Is it fearmongering when the National Weather Service warns citizens that a dangerous storm with tornado potential is approaching your neighborhood and everyone should be prepared to seek shelter? Like hazardous weather warnings there will continue to be hazardous disease warnings long after the election. Like the weather pandemics are independent of politics. Ignore at your own risk.
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That's the thing. Will movie studios still be spending $100 millions making quality good movie, that we can use our expensive home theater to enjoy?
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Yes.

They (will) get paid by the "consumer" one way or another.



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Haha, I didn’t even get that far in his post.

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(Snip).But our own government was supposedly involved with financing the lab this virus came from too,so that'll never happen..(Snip)

Someone needs to leave the "conspiracy theory" websites and come out into the light. Repeat after me " The novel coronavirus was not created in a lab". Go ahead you can do it. It's not hard.

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I do not trust any vaccine to not have harmful side effects and or be some "tracking device" either..

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Seriously?
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Seriously?
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For a scientific take on conspiracy theories try reading the whole paper that follows the abstract on the National Center for Biotechnology Information site:

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Conspiracy theories as part of history: The role of societal crisis situations

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In the present contribution, we examine the link between societal crisis situations and belief in conspiracy theories. Contrary to common assumptions, belief in conspiracy theories has been prevalent throughout human history. We first illustrate historical incidents suggesting that societal crisis situations—defined as impactful and rapid societal change that calls established power structures, norms of conduct, or even the existence of specific people or groups into question—have stimulated belief in conspiracy theories. We then review the psychological literature to explain why this is the case. Evidence suggests that the aversive feelings that people experience when in crisis—fear, uncertainty, and the feeling of being out of control—stimulate a motivation to make sense of the situation, increasing the likelihood of perceiving conspiracies in social situations. We then explain that after being formed, conspiracy theories can become historical narratives that may spread through cultural transmission. We conclude that conspiracy theories originate particularly in crisis situations and may form the basis for how people subsequently remember and mentally represent a historical event. ...
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*snip* like the flu,this will mutate every year and a vaccine won't be very effective.. *snip*
You sure of that? I haven't read anything from the medical community confirming it.
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All viruses mutate.
Every year... vaccines are not 100% effective.

Pesky little critters, eh?


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All viruses mutate.
Every year... vaccines are not 100% effective.

Pesky little critters, eh?


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Various viruses mutate at different rates, influenza quite a lot, polio and measles not so much.

We don't know yet about SARS-CoV-2, it may or may not have a mutation rate that requires repeated updates to a vaccine.

One of the reasons the influenza vaccine requires annual updates is that it attempts to protect against multiple related influenza strains that all have a high rate of mutation not a single strain like SARS-CoV-2 appears to be.
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All viruses mutate.
Every year... vaccines are not 100% effective.

Pesky little critters, eh?


Gotta work with whatcha got. If a virus doesn't kill you, political and lawyer TV ad's will.
Do we make new vaccines for measles every year?

edit: ugh, beaten, lol!
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You sure of that? I haven't read anything from the medical community confirming it.
Coronaviruses mutate much more slowly than influenza

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-...owly-good.html

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Coronaviruses—of which there are hundreds, most of them occurring in animals—typically mutate more slowly than many other viruses. Influenza, for example, mutates quickly, which is why people must be inoculated annually against changing flu strains.
I post this only to discourage the misinformation. Of course this is an AV forum, so maybe it’s better if we stick to those topics
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Coronaviruses mutate much more slowly than influenza

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-...owly-good.html

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I post this only to discourage the misinformation. Of course this is an AV forum, so maybe it’s better if we stick to those topics
, my question was mostly rhetorical -- I knew the answer already. However, thanks for another confirming source!
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All viruses mutate.
Every year... vaccines are not 100% effective.

Pesky little critters, eh?


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True, but the average hovers around 50% effectiveness for the seasonal flu vaccine. Factor in that only 43% get the flu shot and we still have lots of preventable deaths happen each year. I doubt we will see better compliance with a Covid-19 immunization. Fear, apathy and stupidity factor in.
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Various viruses mutate at different rates, influenza quite a lot, polio and measles not so much.
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Do we make new vaccines for measles every year?
But we are discussing a Flu, not Polio, mumps or measles.

No "they" do not make "new" vaccines for every type of influenza strain nor do they anticipate mutations. It happens.



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True, but the average hovers around 50% effectiveness for the seasonal flu vaccine. .
Why? Because "they" give everyone a seasonal "best guess" cocktail dose for their prediction. Many times... they miss the target(s).



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Let's get back to the actual subject of this thread
I say yes

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For a scientific take on conspiracy theories try reading the whole paper that follows the abstract on the National Center for Biotechnology Information site:
People who believe in conspiracy theories, like CoV-19 was created in a Chinese lab financed with American money or Bill Gates is going to put tracking software in vaccines (which you have to admit is pretty inventive for a conspiracy theory), tend to think that warnings against a belief in conspiracy theories is itself another conspiracy theory (that's what they want you to think!).

Once they start tumbling down that rabbit hole it gets difficult to climb back out. There is a disturbingly large number of Americans that seem prone to this stuff. There is an entire industry dedicated to propagating such disinformation for political gain or profit.
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But we are discussing a Flu, not Polio, mumps or measles.

No "they" do not make "new" vaccines for every type of influenza strain nor do they anticipate mutations. It happens.

I was replying to your statement "All viruses mutate" which you used to talk about the effectiveness of vaccines.



The issue isn't that "All Viruses mutate" the issue is viruses mutate at different rates, we don't yet know the mutation rate of SARS-CoV-2.

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My bad....
Influenza viruses have sometimes been known to mutate.
I apologize for my faux pas.



I will do my best to be more succinct in any future responses.



Here's a fact:

"WE don't know anything about this virus."
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"WE don't know anything about this virus."



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too bad China couldn't be held responsible,send them the bill for infecting the world..But our own government was supposedly involved with financing the lab this virus came from too,so that'll never happen..

I do not trust any vaccine to not have harmful side effects and or be some "tracking device" either..
Geez dude, you need to turn off the social media and watch some real news. You all but forgot to blame this all on 5G. I assume you just forgot to mention it, right? Good grief.
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True, but the average hovers around 50% effectiveness for the seasonal flu vaccine. Factor in that only 43% get the flu shot and we still have lots of preventable deaths happen each year. I doubt we will see better compliance with a Covid-19 immunization. Fear, apathy and stupidity factor in.
I am sure we will see much higher compliance for covid19. At least on the west coast, I'm sure the governors will make some laws requiring anyone attending public schools to prove they've had a covid19 vaccination. I'd also expect many businesses to require it before their employees can come work there. I know a lot of people get sick from the flu, but the general consensus in the population is that the flu is no big deal. No one is closing the economy to stop the flu. People generally get a flu vaccine just to help make sure they dont have to spend a couple weeks in bed sick. This is a different story.

You get the covid19 vaccine to prevent you from spreading it to the rest of your family. Anyone with older family members will want to be sure they're vaccinated to avoid killing their parents/grandparents.

I also think there's a higher chance that those idiots that think covid19 is nothing will be likely to contract the virus between now and a vaccine - or if not them a close friend or family member. Those with that attitude will be the ones going out to bars, church, dinner, movies etc. As a big chunk of those folks do get infected, opinions will start to change.

It's really a shame that americans are just so stupid. We have to be the dumbest country in the world when it comes to this sort of behavior.
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NYC movie theaters were set to open up as part of Stage 4 but now the Governor has put the brakes on that and will now be evaluated at a later date...Broadway venues will remain closed until January
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I don't have any good answer either--it seems we are faced with two choices--go ahead and open everything up and pray that not too many more die from covid exposure,and hope herd immunity works--or stay home,sit and vegetate,do nothing the rest of our lives,and pray we can somehow get enough money to survive,and escape being infected..too bad China couldn't be held responsible,send them the bill for infecting the world..But our own government was supposedly involved with financing the lab this virus came from too,so that'll never happen.
Sitting in a movie theater is not worth people dying over. I don't know how you can get to that sort of argument. Of course, we'd be out doing stuff, safely, without too many Coronavirus issues if we had locked down properly and tested and traced like Europe did. Movie theaters, bars, and large conventions are still particularly problematic though.
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