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Sars-CoV-2 Analysis

Transmission and estimated spread.

-Antibody test:
https://www.businessinsider.com/coro...exposed-2020-4
-Active infenction test:
https://www.livescience.com/coronavi...-high-nyc.html
-Antibody test:
https://www.livescience.com/coronavi...nta-clara.html

Average household size in the US is ~2.5.

-Antibody test in a more isolated/rural area
https://reason.com/2020/04/17/antibo...al-infections/
-In Vo, Italty, approximately 3% of the population of a small city of 3000 was infected by the time the first fatality was reported.
https://www.livescience.com/small-it...s-testing.html

Estimated total infected during the 2009 H1N1 pandemic was 10-20% of the global population, and 25% for the 1918 pandemic. Average seasonal influenza is just below 10% and factor in flu shots. Safe to assume urban areas have a higher rate of infection versus rural areas.

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Fast asymptomatic transmission:
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/...-week-symptoms
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_c...amond_Princess
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6912e3.htm
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKCN21Y2GB
https://www.boston25news.com/news/cd...CUAARBO4YWO64/

Spreading as early as December:
https://www.latimes.com/california/s...ead-california

Strict CDC guidelines for testing until March 4, 2020:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...-criteria.html
"Revisions were made on March 4, 2020, to reflect the following: Criteria for evaluation of persons for testing for COVID-19 were expanded to include a wider group of symptomatic patients."

Reports of total contagious period can be up to 50 days.
https://www.techtimes.com/articles/2...of-49-days.htm


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Origin:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0409085644.htm
Forster and colleagues found that the closest type of COVID-19 to the one discovered in bats -- type 'A', the "original human virus genome" -- was present in Wuhan, but surprisingly was not the city's predominant virus type.

https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2.../07/2004999117
"the first virus genome that was sampled on 24 December 2019 already is distant from the root type according to the bat coronavirus outgroup rooting."

" A complex founder scenario is one possibility, and a different explanation worth considering is that the ancestral Wuhan B-type virus is immunologically or environmentally adapted to a large section of the East Asian population, and may need to mutate to overcome resistance outside East Asia."

There are two subclusters of A which are distinguished by the synonymous mutation T29095C. In the T-allele subcluster, four Chinese individuals (from the southern coastal Chinese province of Guangdong) carry the ancestral genome, while three Japanese and two American patients differ from it by a number of mutations. These American patients are reported to have had a history of residence in the presumed source of the outbreak in Wuhan. The C-allele subcluster sports relatively long mutational branches and includes five individuals from Wuhan, two of which are represented in the ancestral node, and eight other East Asians from China and adjacent countries. It is noteworthy that nearly half (15/33) of the types in this subcluster, however, are found outside East Asia, mainly in the United States and Australia.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2012-7
“No epidemiological link was found between the first patient and later cases,” they state.
the first patient identified with the coronavirus was a man who reported pneumonia-like symptoms on Dec. 1 but had no connection to the market

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-017-07766-9

Type C is what is currently affecting New York and the rest of the country now. The Type A genome results in a less severe illness. Mutating to Type B caused the severe outbreak in Wuhan, mutating to Type C caused the severe outbreak in Europe and subsequently the United States. Note infections are less severe on the west coast despite similar testing and social distancing guidelines.


:::::::So this next chunk wasnt well received but Im going to leave it in for posterity(and well Im not a revisionist), theres some back and forth and then discussion of the virus resumes with alot of useful information being shared.
Hopefully this theory is disproved by this information https://www.avsforum.com/forum/500-c...l#post59544748

Additionally, more genome tracing is showing a clear west to east path across the US
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/22/u...equencing.html::::::::



If you look at the phylogenetic network the USA is a possibility for being closest to the original genome.
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Adding in more strange information::::::
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/500-c...l#post59669484

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/500-c...l#post59667904
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So this next bit is just a theory but I found it interesting, especially with how the genome played out and the more severe outbreaks in the States(re: community spead in the bay area of Type A since December, but significantly less severe infections than Type C in New York and New Jersey.

Summer 2019, mysterious respiratory illnesses were reported in only the United States in younger populations, attributed to additives in black market THC vape cartridges, and/or e-cigarette(nicotine) use, but 10-20% reported neither using THC or nicotine products.

What wasn't reported widely, however, were mysterious respiratory outbreaks in nursing homes and unseasonsal influenza symptoms:
https://wjla.com/news/local/new-tota...ment-community
https://wtvr.com/2019/07/19/health-d...s-this-summer/
https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2019/...idents-of.html

https://www.swhealth.ne.gov/pdfs/new...uenza_2019.pdf

Greenspring is about 10 miles north of Fort Belvoir which is about 50 miles south of Fort Detrick:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/05/h...biohazard.html

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National Emergency declared on 3/13/2020
https://www.whitehouse.gov/president...d-19-outbreak/

Resulting in panic shopping/travel, overcrowding supermarkets and airports, and a severe outbreak begins:
https://gothamist.com/news/coronavir...demic-new-york
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Good start to a science-based discussion of SARS-CoV-2. From a scientific point of view it's not likely the isolated US incidences of respiratory illness in July are related to the current novel coronavirus. SARS-CoV-2 simply spreads too quickly across the population for it to only produce a few isolated US cases in July and then not appear again until November in Wuhan China at a wet market several hundred yards from a coronavirus research lab. Researchers have said the genome sequence identity of SARS-CoV-2 has 96.2% similarity to a bat SARS-related coronavirus (SARSr-CoV; RaTG13) collected in China's Yunnan province and examined at the Wuhan coronavirus research lab.
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SARS-CoV-2 simply spreads too quickly across the population for it to only produce a few isolated US cases in July
I had been mulling that exact point over, and it appears that Type B and after are much more contagious, otherwise Type A would have been more prevalent in Wuhan. I wasnt able to find any conclusive information on the illnesses in July either, the CDC just handled it.

The narrative of starting at a wet market or the lab leak in wuhan is plausible, but the restrictions on testing in the US until march 4th, the emergency declartion/outbreaks, and the ramped up antichina propaganda are unsettling and scream of orchestration. And I'm trying to avoid delving to much into conspiracy.

Theories aside, really hoping all these protestors and beach goers dont get sick as thatll provide good tangible data on second waves and continued transmission, which would be suprising given how widespread this already appears to be(70x confirmed cases)
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... The narrative of starting at a wet market or the lab leak in wuhan is plausible, but the restrictions on testing in the US until march 4th, the emergency declartion/outbreaks, and the ramped up antichina propaganda are unsettling and scream of orchestration. And I'm trying to avoid delving to much into conspiracy. ...
I think you're missing a key point. The Wuhan coronavirus research lab source for SARS-CoV-2 didn't start as anti-China propaganda in the US. It started with different Chinese researchers in China publishing papers that much scientific evidence pointed toward that source. Those early references from China have all been wiped from the internet in what many consider to be a coverup but the references are still available in Wayback Machine snapshots of how they originally appeared on the web.

It's not anti-Chinese to point to the Wuhan coronavirus lab as the most likely source of SARS-CoV-2. Most reasonable people believe it was an inadvertent release of a naturally occurring bat coronavirus and not some sinister plot to spread a global contagion starting in China itself. The legitimate issue reasonable people have with China is that they weren't more transparent about SARS-CoV-2.
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...Strict CDC guidelines for testing until March 4, 2020:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...-criteria.html
"Revisions were made on March 4, 2020, to reflect the following: Criteria for evaluation of persons for testing for COVID-19 were expanded to include a wider group of symptomatic patients."

It would be nice if someone with knowledge comments on the complexity of producing the reagents necessary for testing and the proprietary aspect of those consumables sold by test machine providers to labs.

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@bdht , I have to ask, when you say you find anti-China propaganda unsettling and screaming of orchestration and that you're trying to avoid delving too much into conspiracy, why on earth would you then turn around and promote anti-US propaganda that's unsettling and screams of orchestration and delve so much into the conspiracy being promoted by the Chinese government that the US is the source of SARS-CoV-2 -- a charge that has absolutely no credible scientific basis?
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It would be nice if someone with knowledge comments on the complexity of producing the reagents necessary for testing and the proprietary aspect of those consumables sold by test machine providers to labs.
Try this article for starters:

rferl.org/a/coronavirus-reagent-delaying-expanded-coronavirus-testing-/30563198.html
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@bdht , I have to ask, when you say you find anti-China propaganda unsettling and screaming of orchestration and that you're trying to avoid delving too much into conspiracy, why on earth would you then turn around and promote anti-US propaganda that's unsettling and screams of orchestration and delve so much into the conspiracy being promoted by the Chinese government that the US is the source of SARS-CoV-2 -- a charge that has absolutely no credible scientific basis?
It is not anti-China propaganda, wikipedia consensus it is a theory, not a conspiracy theory. Not US citizen here. It is not it because USA intelligence community is investigating this. Also, the himera coronavirus that wuhan Institute and North Carolina Institute were experimenting upon for years has nothing to do with COVID-19 as it is only 95% the same.
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I think you're missing a key point. The Wuhan coronavirus research lab source for SARS-CoV-2 didn't start as anti-China propaganda in the US. It started with different Chinese researchers in China publishing papers that much scientific evidence pointed toward that source. Those early references from China have all been wiped from the internet in what many consider to be a coverup but the references are still available in Wayback Machine snapshots of how they originally appeared on the web.

It's not anti-Chinese to point to the Wuhan coronavirus lab as the most likely source of SARS-CoV-2. Most reasonable people believe it was an inadvertent release of a naturally occurring bat coronavirus and not some sinister plot to spread a global contagion starting in China itself. The legitimate issue reasonable people have with China is that they weren't more transparent about SARS-CoV-2.

Right I'm aware of that, and all the doctors being silenced trying to report on the disease, as well as Taiwans actions, Ice had some discussions about the WHO with Democrat family members. Its much more likely that it started there and believe me, I'm American, I'd prefer responsibility not be with us. Just too many coincidences to ignore without some consideration. If it was less contagious it's reasonable that it could take 3-4 months to get to China. And it's curious that theres so little of Type A in Europe, especially if Type B needed to mutate to spread outside of east Asia.

It also strikes me that a leak from a Chinese lab is less likely than an American lab just by how each respective nation has handled the outbreak. Which falls in line with the US administrations less government reduced budget governance. Reduced budgets in a time of economic prosperity no less.

Again all this is purely speculative, I don't believe that it started here. It all probably all lines up with ccp progranda ;]

Side note, I wonder, if the panic buying/travel did cause a more infections(which transmission and timelines seem to support), then coming out of lockdown should be much less daunting as alot of people will still avoid groups for some time, especially if 8% of the population was already infected in combination with several weeks of isolating and distancing.
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@bdht , I have to ask, when you say you find anti-China propaganda unsettling and screaming of orchestration and that you're trying to avoid delving too much into conspiracy, why on earth would you then turn around and promote anti-US propaganda that's unsettling and screams of orchestration and delve so much into the conspiracy being promoted by the Chinese government that the US is the source of SARS-CoV-2 -- a charge that has absolutely no credible scientific basis?
That's a fair accusation. I do find Chinas actions unsettling but it doesnt suprise me for a Communist Dictatorship. But I live in America and if its true that it originated here then we have a serious issue with our protocols and governance. I was unable to find explanations for the summer respiratory illnesses.
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Setting wild conspiracy stories aside, here's some real science from a real science site on where SARS-CoV-2 originated:

livescience.com/coronavirus-wuhan-lab-complicated-origins.html
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I think you're missing a key point. The Wuhan coronavirus research lab source for SARS-CoV-2 didn't start as anti-China propaganda in the US. It started with different Chinese researchers in China publishing papers that much scientific evidence pointed toward that source. Those early references from China have all been wiped from the internet in what many consider to be a coverup but the references are still available in Wayback Machine snapshots of how they originally appeared on the web.

It's not anti-Chinese to point to the Wuhan coronavirus lab as the most likely source of SARS-CoV-2. Most reasonable people believe it was an inadvertent release of a naturally occurring bat coronavirus and not some sinister plot to spread a global contagion starting in China itself. The legitimate issue reasonable people have with China is that they weren't more transparent about SARS-CoV-2.
I believe I posted something, probably buried in a long-winded rant , about this.

If China (or anyone) was trying to use this virus as a "chess move" then that person is either a fool or an evil-genius. If the person were Chinese, at present moment, I lean towards fool. At least short-term.

As I see it, the world has been scrutinizing China's practices. Having this outbreak haunting them is not going to help their position as world leaders, IMO. Covering it up like they've done is certainly going to make nations question more and trust less. Thus, I believe it hurts them globally. Why would an intelligent chess player want to weaken their position? Unless, of course, they see it as temporary and have later moves to make a huge come-back; if they do, maybe it's "evil-genius" after-all. I've no clue how long I must wait to see the answer. Probably forever as the inner-workings of the world's leadership is likely to remain indefinitely elusive -- to the common folks like me anyway.
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Setting wild conspiracy stories aside, here's some real science from a real science site on where SARS-CoV-2 originated:

livescience.com/coronavirus-wuhan-lab-complicated-origins.html
I actually only brought it up after seeing the usa connection to the original genome in the phylogenetic study.


I originally chaulked up all the maatje benassi us origin as conspiracy theory or ccp prop
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Article explained reagents manufacturing process and linked another from March 13, 2020, when CDC commented reagents were in short supply.

CDC update today makes no mention of availability:

Clinical and commercial laboratories conducting SARS-CoV-2 diagnostic testing can acquire test reagents from commercial reagent manufacturers that have received EUA from FDA. Genomic RNA material for validation purposes can be obtained from BEI Resources as indicated below.
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This needs a little more clearing up. I said our governments response was unsettling not the possibility of the viruses origin.

And calling the things I posted anti us propaganda? when they were from the New York Times in August, the Virgina and Nebraska departments of health in July, and the University of Cambridge published to the National Institute of Health of the US. Not from China. I wasnt promoting anti us conspiracy, if it happens to line up with ccp propaganda then thats another unsettling coincidence. If anything I was looking for clarity on the outbreak in virginia and analysis of the phylogenetic study. I know this isnt necessarily the best place for that, but you never know.

But let me elaborate on what I found alarming, since you only focused on the anti china propaganda. The testing. The President repeatedly said, anyone can get a test, and at the same time, repeatedly said its the states responsiblity. But his administrations department(the CDC) restricted testing to prevent anyone from being tested unless they met specific travel requirements and over a certain age. You deflected with pondering the logistics of testing. But we have crystal clear evidence of other countries having no issue testing to the best of their ability. South Korea, Taiwan, Iceland, etc.

And while 60 million americans are qqing over having to wear masks and 60 million want to keep the nation shuttered until bill gates gsk and pfizer can sell 300 million of us vaccines, Im sharing information that paints reopening in combination with wearing masks as a viable scenario. Something that doesnt align with either parties voter bases opinions. As well as holding all levels of government responsible. So whos anti American.

Back to the subject of anti china propaganda, I saw several msm headlines about "faulty tests from China", but when you read the article they clearly state they purchased antibody tests instead of active infection tests due to their own negligence and/or lack of knowledge(local municipalities purchasing tests instead of coordinated by the federal govt). But the article frames it as the tests are faulty, even though they perform their function correctly("bought wrong test, 1 star"). And then the federal government confiscates the tests? Explain how Im supposed to feel confident in the govt and news organizations in the face of that. So yes, I do find actual events and government/media action unsettling.
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All that aside though, looking at the actual mortality rate and rate of infection, all this country had to do was immediately limit crowds around march 1st and wear masks, and we could've avoided tens of thousands of deaths and kept many more businesses open. If lowly me could see that then certainly the government, media, medical, and scientific communities could as well, but instead they did nothing and incited a panic. So ya forgive me if I'm not believing everything that comes out of the government and media. Im in the open up except for the urban areas and wear masks camp( a camp of 1?) and sitting here watching 120million democrats and republicans go back and forth over their personal opinions while their elected officials dump our tax dollars into their cronies pockets.

But here we are with 40000 dead in one month and the economy teetering on the edge. I know, the DOW is doin' just fine, the 22 million unemployed, not my problem, I live in an affluent area that can afford to pay for private security and police.
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This needs a little more clearing up. I said our governments response was unsettling not the possibility of the viruses origin.

And calling the things I posted anti us propaganda? when they were from the New York Times in August, the Virgina and Nebraska departments of health in July, and the University of Cambridge published to the National Institute of Health of the US. Not from China. I wasnt promoting anti us conspiracy, if it happens to line up with ccp propaganda then thats another unsettling coincidence. If anything I was looking for clarity on the outbreak in virginia and analysis of the phylogenetic study. I know this isnt necessarily the best place for that, but you never know. ...
If you say you didn't intend to advance China's propaganda about the coronavirus originating in the US when you linked together unrelated stories of a few unidentified respiratory deaths in the US last summer along with the temporary closing of an Army biodefense lab many miles away then I'll take your word for it. It's just a remarkable coincidence that those widely separate stories would be linked together in a way that supports China's anti-US propaganda.

As for the rest of your post about not trusting politicians and news media, President Reagan often cited the old Russian saying to trust but verify. When you make an honest effort to verify with the best factual data you can find you will see that some politicians and some news media tend to be more trustworthy than others. It's up to each of us to reach our own conclusions about which is which and there will never be universal agreement.

Welcome to the real world where we are all stuck with trying to find the least imperfect of many imperfect options.
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Science behind Corona Virus

Put out and created by the Los Angeles Times owner, who is an MD.

https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...nd+coronavirus
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If you say you didn't intend to advance China's propaganda about the coronavirus originating in the US when you linked together unrelated stories of a few unidentified respiratory deaths in the US last summer along with the temporary closing of an Army biodefense lab many miles away then I'll take your word for it. It's just a remarkable coincidence that those widely separate stories would be linked together in a way that supports China's anti-US propaganda.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2020...-feds-confirm/
"Problems that led to the contamination included researchers coming and going from labs working on the test kits without changing their coats and researchers sharing lab space to both assemble test components and handle samples containing the coronavirus."

https://www.the-scientist.com/news-o...research-66235
"The New York Times, quoting a statement from the USAMRIID, reports that the lab received the cease and desist order in part because the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) found it did not have “sufficient systems in place to decontaminate wastewater” from its highest-security labs. "

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/05/h...biohazard.html
"The suspended research involves certain toxins, along with germs called select agents, which the government has determined have “the potential to pose a severe threat to public, animal or plant health or to animal or plant products.” There are 67 select agents and toxins; examples include the organisms that cause Ebola, smallpox, anthrax and plague, and the poison ricin."

https://www.selectagents.gov/SelectA...oxinsList.html
"SARS-associated coronavirus (SARS-CoV)4"

It's not anti-US propaganda, it's US journalism reporting on poor US administration practices. The agency that couldn't be bothered to use proper lab practices is reporting that another lab couldn't be bothered to use proper lab practices... No not unsettling at all. Even less unsettling is it's the two largest institutions in the country responsible for studying and responding to select agents and disease.

You can cherry pick and diminish all you want, but it doesn't alleviate concerns. You're ignoring the fact that the retirement facility is right between the two bases, that there was widespread reporting of unseasonal respiratory illness across the whole state of Virginia, and Nebraska as well. And that the phylogenetic study showed a USA link to the original genome. Not to mention that they never identified the cause of the outbreak in Greenspring, and that China was able to identify the virus in Wuhan fairly quickly. I searched, I couldn't find further analysis of the phylogenetic study or the outbreak in Greenspring, so I shared some information, and just got you tellin me I'm promoting commie ****.
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@bdht , are you or are you not trying to put together a case that SARS-CoV-2 originated in the US rather than in China?
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Im not a journalist, I'm not going to take a case before congress.

But it does matter if it started here, we obviously have some real problems in this country that you dont seem to give two ****s about, just blame china. hope you have fun on your next cruise.
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Wow. That went downhill fast. So much for science.
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amazing how much you guys like getting threads locked.

quite comical actually.

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Wow. That went downhill fast. So much for science.
You're repeatedly accusing me of promoting Chinese propoganda, ignoring every scientific fact I've shared.

You really don't care that the CDC and the US Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases can't follow proper infectious contagion protocols?
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Maybe this will put you at ease... Regardless of whether it started here or not, China without any doubt made actions to conceal the severity of the disease of the Type B strain, and the WHO is responsible for ignoring Taiwan. So it's less important if it started here, and China's finger pointing at the US doesn't offset their actions. I don't know how to say any more plainly that I'm anti authoritarian communism... Again, my primary concern is the actions of US institutions, none of which is being addressed, and the information provided is relevant to that discussion.
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You're repeatedly accusing me of promoting Chinese propoganda, ignoring every scientific fact I've shared.

You really don't care that the CDC and the US Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases can't follow proper infectious contagion protocols?
All right, let's clear this up once and for all. I asked you if you were or weren't trying to promote the same propaganda coming from China because some of the science and conjecture you were stringing together is aligned with that propaganda and you just kept stringing more and more together. Every time I thought I understood your intent you just kept piling on more and more to be digested.

I don't disagree that every research facility in the world has been guilty of lapses, including US facilities. Lapses in the coronavirus facility a few hundred yards from the Wuhan wet market have also been documented.

I accept that your intention is to simply point out imperfections in US systems and not support the unfounded propaganda that SARS-CoV-2 is more likely to have originated in the US than in Wuhan.

That's it. Sorry if I came off accusatory but I just couldn't keep up with your narrative.
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Coincidentally in the town were the coronavirus originates there is The Wuhan Institute of Virology, Chinese Academy of Sciences. Which is quite a coincidence.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wuhan_Institute_of_Virology

There are these rumors that the coronavirus was developed in the lab. One might think right wing conspiracy theorists are spreading these rumors. Well..in France there is a Nobel Peace Price winner* Virologist Luc Montagnier** who also claims that the coronavirus was developed in the the lab.
https://www.thestar.com.my/news/regional/2020/04/21/experts-accusation-that-covid-19-virus-originates-in-lab-is-false-and-wrong

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Coronaviruses are a group of related virusses that cause diseases in mammals and birds. In humans, coronaviruses cause respiratory tract infections that can range from mild to lethal.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronavirus



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** he believes based upon 10 year long ''research'' that DNA molecules are able to teleport information.
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... There are these rumors that the coronavirus was developed in the lab. One might think right wing conspiracy theorists are spreading these rumors. Well..in France there is a Nobel Peace Price winner* Virologist Luc Montagnier** who also claims that the coronavirus was developed in the the lab. ...
It's misleading to say that SARS-CoV-2 was "developed" in the Wuhan coronavirus lab. There's almost universal agreement among the world's virologists that SARS-CoV-2 is a naturally occurring coronavirus found in bats nesting in China's Yunnan province which were being studied in the Wuhan lab.
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US labs that deal with coronavirus and other biohazards are constantly monitored and any issues are addressed as soon as they're discovered. For example, when the CDC discovered lapses in Fort Detrick's lab it was shut down last year. An investigation showed there had been an issue with Fort Detrick's steam sterilization plant. There was no threat to public health, no injuries to employees and no leaks of dangerous material outside the laboratory. The steam plant was replaced by a new chemical system for treating laboratory wastewater that met with CDC approval and the lab was reopened this year. Safety monitoring of labs that deal with biohazards is one area that should not be subject to federal budget cuts.
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