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Getting some goodies prepped for tomorrow night...**






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Ahhhh can't see the pic, I guess because I'm at work.

Can't wait - who all is coming?
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Ahhhh can't see the pic, I guess because I'm at work.



Can't wait - who all is coming?

It's 20# of pork ribs coated in my dry rub.
So far Archaea, Novice01, Stitch1 I think, maybe Scrappydue. Chips wound be good with some BBQ. I'm also making smoked beans and bacon wrapped jalp poppers


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I'll call my wife and tell her I have to work all night at the office. If I leave now I'll be there by 6:00-6:30 pm.
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Ok, I'm at home and now I see it. Suddenly I'm crazy hungry!!

Sounds good I'll bring some chips. What kind of beer do you like Doug I'll grab some for you.
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Oh, almost forgot. I replaced the screen on my iPhone today and of course it is a defective screen and the touch-sensitive part doesn't work, which turns out to be an important part of the iPhone features. Message me on here if you need to get in touch before tomorrow night.
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Anyone in the KC crowd know anything about distortion level and its audible effects for amps? I did some testing, but don't know what to make of the data.


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Fun time tonight guys, thanks for coming over to play. I just spent the last 20 minutes writing a play by play of the night, but I fat-fingered the delete key and lost the narrative. So now I'm taking my beer and heading to the deck to smoke a cigar, but, to recap, in a nutshell: comparing capable speakers is difficult in any room, boundary loading can make a $100 speaker sound like a $1000 speaker, Justin Beiber is a tool, never underestimate a jalapeno, phase is a booger.






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Ha. Good times Doug! Thanks for hosting. Excellent food, Excellent HT room, Excellent time! I'll write a little blurb tomorrow too.
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I think Carp was disappointed we didn't send a warning smoke from the g-horn when playing Garbage. When Mary came in to the room and whispered into my ear, she said, "please don't kill your subs tonight." Bless her heart.


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Thanks for the invite Doug. Was good listens, food and company. I appreciate the invite. If I can get something anywhere close I'll be thrilled.

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Fun time tonight guys, thanks for coming over to play. I just spent the last 20 minutes writing a play by play of the night, but I fat-fingered the delete key and lost the narrative.


That ways sucks when you loose your thoughts due to an inadvertent key stroke.

Looks like carp is watching the Nebraska game...almost a really bad day for the Huskers.

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My biggest takeaway from the gtg was that I need a smoker. Seriously, the ribs were great. The pepper things kicked my arse but I loved the taste.

After we ate Doug gave us a demo with his SEOS speakers/G Horns. The G Horns are so impressive. They have this visceral/guttural feeling that I love that I have only experienced with the Orbit Shifters. I can get the volume of bass louder in my room - i think - but I cannot get that effortless violent feel.

As far as the speaker comparison, I bet the other guys would agree that none of them sounded great because we had them all crossed at 90hz with no subs in order to make it fair.

When playing Archaea music I honestly would have had a hard time telling the difference between the 3 speakers. The JTR's were the most full sounding but the mids and highs were very similar on songs like Lights.

HOWEVER!!!! When rock or metal or something with drums/guitars and other real instruments was playing it was so obvious to me which speakers were the Macke's. I did not like them at all. I went blind once and while Metallica was playing I said, "don't play that speaker anymore!!" and it was the Mackes. The SEOS and 228's were much more similar but my favorite blind pick ended up being the 228's. They had a bit more mid/upper bass/full sound to them and a bit more "get your attention" sound that I like in the mids/highs. Both the SEOS and 228's imaged well, I thought the Mackes did not. Like I said though, nothing was sounding great with no subs and crossed at 90hz.

So weird that the Macke's sounded dull/lifeless/hollow - on rock/metal to my ears but sound absolutely fine on other genres of music.
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You guys with projectors, did you notice how terrible the Chiefs game looked? BLURRY. The pre-season Chiefs games looked far better. I've been watching the redzone channel and all the other games look fantastic. What is up with that????

I've noticed that many times before that games at arrowhead look like sh*t but today was the worst it was almost like watching it in standard definition. Sucks because I want to have people over and watch games, I may just do that for road games. I don't get it...
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You guys with projectors, did you notice how terrible the Chiefs game looked? BLURRY. The pre-season Chiefs games looked far better. I've been watching the redzone channel and all the other games look fantastic. What is up with that????

I've noticed that many times before that games at arrowhead look like sh*t but today was the worst it was almost like watching it in standard definition. Sucks because I want to have people over and watch games, I may just do that for road games. I don't get it...
I was watching the Chiefs game on CBS (OTA) and it looked great. I also thought some of the Sunday Ticket games looked like hell, but don't remember watching the Chiefs game on DirecTV.
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I used an OTA antenna and the video quality was fine. Now the quality of the gameplay was terrible.

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As a chiefs fan I'm afraid we are in for a long season. I cancelled my NFL Sunday ticket as I don't want to pay $250 to suffer. Cannot believe the injuries.

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Hmmm I wonder if it's a directv thing because even my wife commented on how blurry the game looked. Yeah the Chiefs are done, but I think we knew that already when we saw this season's schedule.
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The cameras in the top at the 50s looked like crap. I had to adjust the saturation to be able to look at the screen. The red was almost fluorescent. And then the Chiefs sucked ass, which made it even worse.


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You guys with projectors, did you notice how terrible the Chiefs game looked? BLURRY. The pre-season Chiefs games looked far better. I've been watching the redzone channel and all the other games look fantastic. What is up with that????

I've noticed that many times before that games at arrowhead look like sh*t but today was the worst it was almost like watching it in standard definition. Sucks because I want to have people over and watch games, I may just do that for road games. I don't get it...
I thought it looked kinda soft as well. I had a ton of people over for the game and none had seen the theater. So that sucked. But since the game was sub par we eventually just went to demos and they got to see what the room could do.

The best broadcast is always from nbc. Sunday night football is sublime. The Norte dame games are solid too. I think espn is hit or miss. Aren't they still 720? It makes a difference if your screen is big enough and or sit close.

I would love to hear the g horns sometime.

And I still want to see jonathons room.

And not to mention go to Sheldon's to hear the 215 again.

Sheesh I have a lot to do!
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Agreed that I thought the views of the Chiefs game were soft.

The least they could have done was give us some good visual quality since their play was so terrible.

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ordered my new projector just now. pretty stoked for the panny. tired of manually zooming the epson. got a buyer lined up for it. now just gotta get rid of the screen.

other thing i gotta figure out is what i am gonna do with the upstairs theater. i really want some gorgeous speakers in here. does anyone know of a place that does veneer work around kansas city? that route even if exotic would be way cheaper than going to an all salk setup like i have been debating. salks would cost me 4 grand up front for the front three which jim recommended getting if the finish matching perfectly would require. surrounds i wouldn't mind if the grain was a bit different. but front would be very important.
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Do you guys know of any good HVAC people in the area? Preferrably with theater experience?
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Did you decide that you can hear distortion out of the x1000 or just simplifying things?


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Simplyfying.

98dB and 96dB sensitive speakers don't need amps me thinks. I had to buy something after selling the Sherbourn since at the time I only had an Onkyo PR-SC5508. But Amazon had that killer deal on the Denon 4520CI - so I'm going to sell my Onkyo and pre-amps and go back to a traditional AVR.

The preamp world is a bunch of snake oil in as far as it relates to high efficiency speakers in my opinion -- at least as it relates to my typical real world use. I had an Onkyo TX-NR1007 before the Onkyp PR-SC5508 and Sherbourn 7-350 combo. I couldn't tell the difference between the two setups on my JTR 228HT. The Onkyo 1007 AVR retails for about $1K. The PR-SC5508 and Sherbourn 7-350 combo retail for about $7K.

One other note - Denon's Audyssey XT32 Platinum is somehow noticably better than Audyssey XT32 on the 5508 Onkyo preamp, or MutliEQ XT on the 1007. I've always disliked Audyssey on any Onkyo product I've owned (805, 1007, 5508). I actually like it considerably on the Denon. Not sure how they implement differently - or if it's all placebo - but it does seem to be a good total package on the Denon 4520CI. The only thing I miss about the Onkyo is the all channel stereo implementation. Onkyo's version increases the level on the front sound stage so your rears aren't overpowerign. Denon's is not as good - the rears are jarring - but they have other DSP's that are pretty decent for music listening....Neo X, Matrix, Pro-logic 2 - so it'll be okay. (edit - discovered - that the multichannel stereo on the Denon with the jarring rears is because of dynamic EQ - which boosts volumes on the rears -- turn off dynamic EQ and multichannel stereo on the denon sounds just fine).

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If I organize a surround processor comparison for Saturday November 1st at my place - can all the regulars make it?
How much interest in this do we have? I have nine matching Mackie speakers that we can use for the comparison, and then two banks of sealed subs (eight total) (sub1 front and sub2 nearfield).

Which processors will people loan to participate? I'd like to set each AVRs auto EQ function up in advance - so on Saturday, for the meet - all we are doing is swapping speaker wires from AVR to AVR.

What I initially suggest is picking a favorite action movie and watching say 1/4 of the movie with each setup - left completely default to the AVR's auto setup program performed the night before. (yes we can tweak each unit, and probably get them to sound more alike than different with tinkering, but I'm pretty curious which has the best out of box solution -- and I KNOW they are different in default setups). Then we can have some time to play with each setup as desired in individual repetitive clips if we need to investigate further to determine a winner.

I currently have Audyssey Platinum MultiEQ XT32 on my Denon 4520CI (which I believe is the best flavor of Audyssey currently available). It is the first and only version of anything Audyssey that I've liked after using (I think) every other version. (subjective impression)

Carp has a Pioneer to use MACC...

Anyone have a Yamaha for YAPO?

Anyone have an Anthem (or fingers crossed Emotiva XMC-1) for Dirac?

Randy Bessinger, would you consider participating with your Trinnov solution? (if not in my room - and you are willing to host in your room - that'd be fine too!)

Perhaps one of the new Onkyo units with AccuEQ?

Anything else, common, I'm missing?

It'd be fun to include ATMOS, do we wait for that? Most folk I've talked to say they won't purchase a gen1 ATMOS AVR. If that's the case let's skip ATMOS for this comparison?

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