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Barrywood's tickets released at 6:44 and I snagged a couple to the Dolby (7:00) as a backup plan.
It's 6:40 and I'm like "rumor is they go up at 7", guess we'll see when I get to work. Site was already on its way down at 7:05 or so when I got to work. Missed it by freaking 5ish minutes.

Was trying for about 2 hours from work before the site 100% went down (vs being up and just not working lol). Took my lunch at 10 and drove to town center 20, and got my preferred row for dolby on Friday, only off center a bit, which I don't mind since 3 hour movie will probably require one restroom break. That being said I might just severely dehydrate myself that day.

That ticket release was absolutely nuts.

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BTW saw Captain Marvel. Going in with low expectations probably helped, but I found it to be entertaining enough. I don't think it's the worst Marvel movie. After all there is Thor 2, Incredible Hulk, Iron Man 2 to compare with, but it's definitely somewhere in the "forgettable middle".

Instead of flopping story-wise like a lot of the low-tier marvel movies, pretty much brie larson flops, while the story is acceptable.. enough. I think it's worth seeing if you've committed to the rest of the MCU to this point.
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It's 6:40 and I'm like "rumor is they go up at 7", guess we'll see when I get to work. Site was already on its way down at 7:05 or so when I got to work. Missed it by freaking 5ish minutes.

Was trying for about 2 hours from work before the site 100% went down (vs being up and just not working lol). Took my lunch at 10 and drove to town center 20, and got my preferred row for dolby on Friday, only off center a bit, which I don't mind since 3 hour movie will probably require one restroom break. That being said I might just severely dehydrate myself that day.

That ticket release was absolutely nuts.

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BTW saw Captain Marvel. Going in with low expectations probably helped, but I found it to be entertaining enough. I don't think it's the worst Marvel movie. After all there is Thor 2, Incredible Hulk, Iron Man 2 to compare with, but it's definitely somewhere in the "forgettable middle".

Instead of flopping story-wise like a lot of the low-tier marvel movies, pretty much brie larson flops, while the story is acceptable.. enough. I think it's worth seeing if you've committed to the rest of the MCU to this point.
I would have liked to see End Game in the Dolby Cinema Berrywoods since it close to my in laws where we will be dropping our kid off on the 27th, but was easier to get into the B&B Theater site in Liberty and I like the sound there as well. We are one seat off center. Our B&B has single seats in the middle theater for those single people going in most of their rows. Looking forward to this one.

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For those of you who have fought the HDMI 4k cable length and quality battle....and won.
What do you recommend?

I need about a 40' cable. I think my current cable is 35' but it's borderline too short and there is NO slack.

I snagged one of those Epson 5040UB projectors on the current refurb sale. It arrives tomorrow.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07DZH49D2/ref=emc_b_5_t?th=1
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For those of you who have fought the HDMI 4k cable length and quality battle....and won.
What do you recommend?

I need about a 40' cable. I think my current cable is 35' but it's borderline too short and there is NO slack.

I snagged one of those Epson 5040UB projectors on the current refurb sale. It arrives tomorrow.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07DZH49D2/ref=emc_b_5_t?th=1
or
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...V4Z7LTQ49&th=1

maybe?
Is the refurbished deal still going on and from where.

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it comes in and out of stock.
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/199-f...-151-00-a.html

These things are selling for $1600-$1700 used on ebay, so $1150 for a refurb with a new bulb and a full 2 year warranty straight from epson is pretty darn good.
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it comes in and out of stock.
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/199-f...-151-00-a.html

These things are selling for $1600-$1700 used on ebay, so $1150 for a refurb with a new bulb and a full 2 year warranty straight from epson is pretty darn good.
This is the projector carp has if you need a reference.
I know the 5040, I have been looking at them since they came out. At that price I might be able to sell the wife on that. Then I could get the AT scope screen I want as well. Wonder how long it will be going on.

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The 5040 is a steal at that price. I've seen 3 including Carp's and have always been impressed with price/perf of that projector. Destroys the 4K DLP Optoma I saw in everything but sharpness and even then I'd say it's good enough. Only downside is the HDMI chipset (not full 18Gbs) and gaming, but an HDFury/Linker will make it work (just some banding here and there). Best budget 4K unit out there IMO.
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The 5040 is a steal at that price. I've seen 3 including Carp's and have always been impressed with price/perf of that projector. Destroys the 4K DLP Optoma I saw in everything but sharpness and even then I'd say it's good enough. Only downside is the HDMI chipset (not full 18Gbs) and gaming, but an HDFury/Linker will make it work (just some banding here and there). Best budget 4K unit out there IMO.
I only have a PS3 hooked up to my system and haven't played a game on it in years. Mostly just for Blu-Ray's. I do have an LG 4K player I would like to check out. This may have to be one I but and ask for forgiveness later, but once the boss sees the picture it would hopefully be WAF.

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I only have a PS3 hooked up to my system and haven't played a game on it in years. Mostly just for Blu-Ray's. I do have an LG 4K player I would like to check out. This may have to be one I but and ask for forgiveness later, but once the boss sees the picture it would hopefully be WAF.

Jonathan, let me know what you think and try it out.
It's only an issue with 4K HDR gaming. Pull the trigger before they dry up. I haven't heard of anything coming out that will be even close to the deal this is.

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@carp , Do you stream Netflix HDR with your projector? My Sony 285 is like watching black and white with a smidge of color here and there. I probably will just go back to lower tier non 4K Netflix and just use 4k for disc. So so disappointing. I thought I was going to mainly be streaming after purchase, boy was I wrong. FWIW, I have had professional calibration.

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It's only an issue with 4K HDR gaming. Pull the trigger before they dry up. I haven't heard of anything coming out that will be even close to the deal this is.
I was wanting to wait till the 5050 came out, but it would probably be over $2k for a while and not sure there will be a ton of improvements.

Jonathan, I take it you have seen the videos on Youtube buy Youthman of the the Panasonic AE8000U vs the ?Epson 5040? He recommends a 40' cable in one of his videos for this from Amazon.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...language=en_US

Here is one of his videos.


Now if I mounted the 5040 at the back of my room I could probably get away with a 15' to 20 ; HDMI cable. With an AT screen the projector lens would be about 20' or so from the screen. This would give me about 28 fl. I take it that is pretty good?

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I was wanting to wait till the 5050 came out, but it would probably be over $2k for a while and not sure there will be a ton of improvements.



Jonathan, I take it you have seen the videos on Youtube buy Youthman of the the Panasonic AE8000U vs the ?Epson 5040? He recommends a 40' cable in one of his videos for this from Amazon.



https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...language=en_US



Here is one of his videos.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6QY7jFYS7Y



Now if I mounted the 5040 at the back of my room I could probably get away with a 15' to 20 ; HDMI cable. With an AT screen the projector lens would be about 20' or so from the screen. This would give me about 28 fl. I take it that is pretty good?
5050UB is $3000.

Youthman’s comparison there is screwed up bad. I told him such in the comments. He states in his second comparison video that his camera was on a setting that was focused in on the epson 5040 screen and sort of blurred out the Panasonic screen because it want the focal point. Well then take the video down because it isn’t an accurate comparison. The 8000 in that original comparison video looks like a worn out VHS tape. I’ll upload my own comparison video sometime in the next month, and it’ll be fair and accurate. I do expect the Espon to be better. It’s five years newer tech, and a new bulb. But that video by youth man was far from a fair shake against the Panasonic.

The Epson 5040 is specced to have 2500 lumens, but review sites say it can test out as high as 3400 lumens. It should be plenty of brightness for you.

Sheldon runs it on a 400” screen.
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@carp , Do you stream Netflix HDR with your projector? My Sony 285 is like watching black and white with a smidge of color here and there. I probably will just go back to lower tier non 4K Netflix and just use 4k for disc. So so disappointing. I thought I was going to mainly be streaming after purchase, boy was I wrong. FWIW, I have had professional calibration.


Randy, are you opposed to tinkering with the settings? I’d swing by and tinker by eye if you’d not be opposed. Sometime I think people get too caught up with machine based calibrations that aren’t pleasing to the eye. Heresy, I know...

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Randy, are you opposed to tinkering with the settings? I’d swing by and tinker by eye if you’d not be opposed. Sometime I think people get too caught up with machine based calibrations that aren’t pleasing to the eye. Heresy, I know...
Sure, just give me a heads up before you come. Would like to catch up anyway. Other than Thursday nights, I am free plus weekends.
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@carp , Do you stream Netflix HDR with your projector? My Sony 285 is like watching black and white with a smidge of color here and there. I probably will just go back to lower tier non 4K Netflix and just use 4k for disc. So so disappointing. I thought I was going to mainly be streaming after purchase, boy was I wrong. FWIW, I have had professional calibration.
You might consider something like the Panasonic 820. It will tonemap it's streaming apps. If 4K UHD HDR discs look OK, no reason streaming couldn't look similar.

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You might consider something like the Panasonic 820. It will tonemap it's streaming apps. If 4K UHD HDR discs look OK, no reason streaming couldn't look similar.
4k disc look good. Hate to throw more money at it though. 820 is aound 500 or 600, correct?
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5050UB is $3000.

Youthman’s comparison there is screwed up bad. I told him such in the comments. He states in his second comparison video that his camera was on a setting that was focused in on the epson 5040 screen and sort of blurred out the Panasonic screen because it want the focal point. Well then take the video down because it isn’t an accurate comparison. The 8000 in that original comparison video looks like a worn out VHS tape. I’ll upload my own comparison video sometime in the next month, and it’ll be fair and accurate. I do expect the Espon to be better. It’s five years newer tech, and a new bulb. But that video by youth man was far from a fair shake against the Panasonic.

The Epson 5040 is specced to have 2500 lumens, but review sites say it can test out as high as 3400 lumens. It should be plenty of brightness for you.

Sheldon runs it on a 400” screen.
The Panasonic 8000s I've seen seem to have a bit more lens variance. Some softer than others. All the 5040's have had good optics. The Epson will calibrate to around 1500-1700 lumens high bulb from what I've read. You can eek more out at the expense of accuracy. So you have to pick your poison.

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4k disc look good. Hate to throw more money at it though. 820 is aound 500 or 600, correct?
It's $500. The Sony 4Ks have less lumens to play with than a JVC or the Epson 5040. So I'd imagine Netflix is assuming a nit level way higher than what you have.

I will say the 820 has done wonders with the Disney titles. Disney doesn't include any metadata for tonemapping, but the optimizer on the Panasonic breathes life into them with a couple clicks. Solo is a pretty drab mess without it.

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@carp , would you be free some evening to meet with me at Randy’s and bring your Panasonic 820 player over and see if that’s the problem. If it isn’t then I’d like to tinker with the projector gamma and color settings.

If it’s all HDR meta data related you are going to have way more experience than me in that sector and we can see if that’s an easy (albeit expensive) fix for Randy with that Panasonic. I suppose if that’s Randy’s poison, it might also be mine if I am going to experience the same issues with HDR that you and he have.

Suddenly the Epson 5040 isn’t so cheap.

$75 for new Chief mount plate
$70 for new HDMI 40’ active sync cable for 4k HDR support
$500 for new Blu-ray player?

I may just stick to upscale 1080p if you have to spend $500 on a player to watch 4k right now? Can’t you just turn off HDR and make all these problems go away or is that way the HDFury thing is supposed to do?
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Can’t you just turn off HDR and make all these problems go away or is that way the HDFury thing is supposed to do?
I may be misremembering, but there area few players that can turn it off. I think the oppo was one, but that is the primary purpose of the HDFury.

Another side effect purpose that HDFury can be used for is as an hdmi repeater of sorts as it apparently does a pretty good job of cleaning up/strengthening the signal if it's at the beginning of the longer cable.

I think you might be able to turn off HDR on more sources, but (and this might be where I'm totally getting my memory messed up), at the expense of not having full bt2020 color. With HDFury you can send full color gamut minus the HDR. Definitely will want to double check this, but there is something like that that is the drawback if it is possible. That... or maybe lower bitrate? I'm blanking.
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@carp , would you be free some evening to meet with me at Randy’s and bring your Panasonic 820 player over and see if that’s the problem. If it isn’t then I’d like to tinker with the projector gamma and color settings.

If it’s all HDR meta data related you are going to have way more experience than me in that sector and we can see if that’s an easy (albeit expensive) fix for Randy with that Panasonic. I suppose if that’s Randy’s poison, it might also be mine if I am going to experience the same issues with HDR that you and he have.

Suddenly the Epson 5040 isn’t so cheap.

$75 for new Chief mount plate
$70 for new HDMI 40’ active sync cable for 4k HDR support
$500 for new Blu-ray player?

I may just stick to upscale 1080p if you have to spend $500 on a player to watch 4k right now? Can’t you just turn off HDR and make all these problems go away or is that way the HDFury thing is supposed to do?


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I don't stream HDR from Netflix so I don't know how much help I would be. IMO HDR is not needed or even worthwhile for projectors. There just isn't enough brightness to matter. When I stream Netflix the HDR option doesn't show up, I assume it's because the 5040 has a 12 g chip instead of the 18 g chip. What the 18g chip does for you in the JVC is allow you to stare at a blank screen for an eternity while waiting on inputs to change. Nice feature.

What I like about the Panasonic player is the dynamic range slider for HDR. That way I have the same settings on my projector for HDR and SDR, without the slider the brightness would be way to low for HDR and I would have to have separate settings.

4K disks are awesome because almost all are Atmos and with a huge screen I can tell that the resolution is better on SOME disks, however if people are upgrading to 4K for HDR benefits... IMO they won't find them.

Jonathan my HDMI cable is 35' so I'm no help with that.

Also, Jonathan, you won't need a 4K player right off the bat to notice (and get most of) the benefits of the 5040. Come over and see the difference before you go out buying an expensive player.
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@carp , would you be free some evening to meet with me at Randy’s and bring your Panasonic 820 player over and see if that’s the problem. If it isn’t then I’d like to tinker with the projector gamma and color settings.

If it’s all HDR meta data related you are going to have way more experience than me in that sector and we can see if that’s an easy (albeit expensive) fix for Randy with that Panasonic. I suppose if that’s Randy’s poison, it might also be mine if I am going to experience the same issues with HDR that you and he have.

Suddenly the Epson 5040 isn’t so cheap.

$75 for new Chief mount plate
$70 for new HDMI 40’ active sync cable for 4k HDR support
$500 for new Blu-ray player?

I may just stick to upscale 1080p if you have to spend $500 on a player to watch 4k right now? Can’t you just turn off HDR and make all these problems go away or is that way the HDFury thing is supposed to do?
You can do custom gamma to get you by. DesertDome setup my JVC RS520 that way and it worked really well for most titles. Won't lie though the 820 has been well worth it and does improve on a static curve. So you can get the cable and the mount, adjust the gamma and down the road look at an 820.

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The Epson will calibrate to around 1500-1700 lumens high bulb from what I've read. You can eek more out at the expense of accuracy.
Looks like there a lot of lumens available if needed at the expense of a perfectly calibrated picture. Which is effectively what you said.

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Those of you filing in MO, did you see a big uptick in your state taxes for 2018? Our Federal taxes were down pretty significantly this year, but our state taxes were hugely opposite.
Last year we got $600 back from MO, This year I'm paying in $200? $800 swing seems odd - largely with with no major changes to our financials. I got a nice federal return, so no big deal, except it seems very strange and frankly taxes have become so complicated, it's hard for a layperson to even understand what's going on.

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Those of you filing in MO, did you see a big uptick in your state taxes for 2018? Our Federal taxes were down pretty significantly this year, but our state taxes were hugely opposite.
Last year we got $600 back from MO, This year I'm paying in $200? $800 swing seems odd - largely with with no major changes to our financials. I got a nice federal return, so no big deal, except it seems very strange and frankly taxes have become so complicated, it's hard for a layperson to even understand what's going on.
I didn't look at the exact amount paid compared to the previous year, but I think our MO refund went from like $225 down to $14. Conversely, our KS refund did pretty much the opposite, and our federal refund was quite large.

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@carp , Do you stream Netflix HDR with your projector? My Sony 285 is like watching black and white with a smidge of color here and there. I probably will just go back to lower tier non 4K Netflix and just use 4k for disc. So so disappointing. I thought I was going to mainly be streaming after purchase, boy was I wrong. FWIW, I have had professional calibration.


I can barely see Netflix either. Everything else is decent
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I had someone else look at it today. It is the projector and Roku streaming device. At this point, I am satisfied with picture otherwise so settings are set so to speak.
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