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@sigma722 , how's your theater build coming along. Weren't you going with the DIY 1099's for the front?
I put together a small gallery of my theater's "current" state, since another user also asked where I was at. The front view isn't current since it was before door/wainscoting. Door and back view is what it looks like down there now though.

https://imgur.com/a/bbHWKJU

Thought I'd drop it in here too in case any local peeps were curious.

Thinking I will be getting back into it on Sunday or Monday (we might get back too late from a weekend trip on Sunday) after roughly a 13 month hiatus.
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I put together a small gallery of my theater's "current" state, since another user also asked where I was at. The front view isn't current since it was before door/wainscoting. Door and back view is what it looks like down there now though.

https://imgur.com/a/bbHWKJU

Thought I'd drop it in here too in case any local peeps were curious.

Thinking I will be getting back into it on Sunday or Monday (we might get back too late from a weekend trip on Sunday) after roughly a 13 month hiatus.
Looking good, I like it. Are the columns to help hide existing lolly post? I thought about doing this with the two beams I have on both sides of my room, but one of my HVAC estimates the guy wanted to run duct work between may south beam and my existing duct work. I also thought if I used a mini split then I would move both walls out an gain about 14" in width. I also wonder what If I just built a supply and return dead vents in the room and pull air from one unfinished room into the theater and push old air out to another.


What are your room dimensions?

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Looking good, I like it. Are the columns to help hide existing lolly post? I thought about doing this with the two beams I have on both sides of my room, but one of my HVAC estimates the guy wanted to run duct work between may south beam and my existing duct work. I also thought if I used a mini split then I would move both walls out an gain about 14" in width. I also wonder what If I just built a supply and return dead vents in the room and pull air from one unfinished room into the theater and push old air out to another.


What are your room dimensions?
Yes, the columns on the door-side are to hide poles, then on the other side to match. I framed the wall on the outside side of the i-beam/poles with isolating clips, and then framed the soffit such that it is isolated as well from the joists. DDW+GG etc.

My HVAC will be interesting, assuming it all works out fine. It's sort of set up to exchange air with the rest of the basement, but I will also have a ducted minisplit to condition that air. So bar/pool room may be heated from the rest of the house system, and then the theater will cool that air as it brings it in. ... Ideally.

Room dimensions are somthing like... 14.5x20x7.75. I forget exact stuff though.
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I put together a small gallery of my theater's "current" state, since another user also asked where I was at. The front view isn't current since it was before door/wainscoting. Door and back view is what it looks like down there now though.

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Thinking I will be getting back into it on Sunday or Monday (we might get back too late from a weekend trip on Sunday) after roughly a 13 month hiatus.
Wow! I didn't realize that you are that far along. It looks really sweet man!
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Wow! I didn't realize that you are that far along. It looks really sweet man!
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Yes, the columns on the door-side are to hide poles, then on the other side to match. I framed the wall on the outside side of the i-beam/poles with isolating clips, and then framed the soffit such that it is isolated as well from the joists. DDW+GG etc.

My HVAC will be interesting, assuming it all works out fine. It's sort of set up to exchange air with the rest of the basement, but I will also have a ducted minisplit to condition that air. So bar/pool room may be heated from the rest of the house system, and then the theater will cool that air as it brings it in. ... Ideally.

Room dimensions are somthing like... 14.5x20x7.75. I forget exact stuff though.
That's what I would like to do on both, just getting WAF is the hard part. I am thinking we have equity in our house and thinking of looking at doing a loan to get the theater and the basement done. The advantage I have is more ceiling height over you basement.

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That's what I would like to do on both, just getting WAF is the hard part. I am thinking we have equity in our house and thinking of looking at doing a loan to get the theater and the basement done. The advantage I have is more ceiling height over you basement.

Dave Ramsey’s eye just twitched.

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Dave Ramsey’s eye just twitched.

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I knew someone was going to say something about this. The only other way to get it done is to cut a lot of corners and may get it done by the time my 10 year old goes to college with the way life keeps getting in the way. I swear I had more when I was single, but my house was smaller as well. How do you do it with so many kids?

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I bet Dave Ramsey has a home theater in a box and he thinks it sounds great.
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I knew someone was going to say something about this. The only other way to get it done is to cut a lot of corners and may get it done by the time my 10 year old goes to college with the way life keeps getting in the way. I swear I had more when I was single, but my house was smaller as well. How do you do it with so many kids?
My suggestion is only have grandkids...cheaper, can give back to parents, and less stress.
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@d_c and @Archaea , after you guys get back from Axpona and you have time, I would like some help with diy sub d-c and I built. I need to see if you think there is a problem with the driver (or something else).

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Randy our Doug is d_c so you might want to edit the post.
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@Archaea , did you get the Epson 5040?

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@Archaea , did you get the Epson 5040?
On Friday, yes. Yesterday I was outside working all day and didn't mess with.

My initial impressions from Friday is that I need to figure out how to set it up more to my preference. It's a slight tick better than the Panasonic overall, not as much a tick up as I had hoped for. I'm taking it over to Sheldon's briefly this afternoon to compare it directly with his to make sure my refurb unit is representative of what I should be seeing with this model. It looks significantly better for desktop PC use because it's much sharper than the Panasonic, but the colors seem a wee bit off to me, and there is a bit of a gamma shadow/very slight white fog over the whole picture with the default setting, and it doesn't have true JVC black levels. I need to tinker with it more.

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Looks like they are out of stock on the 5040 for refurbished ones now. Oh well I need to get the bathroom done first per the request from family and I want it as well. Hope you guys can get it set up right.

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I'm going to get HBO tonight. What has the best sound - HBO Now, HBO Go, Amazon HBO, or are they all the same?
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NFM has the Palliser Pacifico on sale for $583. I'll be getting nine delivered in a few weeks.

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Are you doing 3 rows of 3? That works be a nice long room. Nice looking chairs and great price for leather and eclectic.

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I'm going to get HBO tonight. What has the best sound - HBO Now, HBO Go, Amazon HBO, or are they all the same?
Not sure about the sound, but in my experience, Amazon seems to have the highest bitrate of all the streaming services that I use.
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I'm going to get HBO tonight. What has the best sound - HBO Now, HBO Go, Amazon HBO, or are they all the same?
Interested in this question as well. I already have HBO through my cable provider and I have already posted before how the streaming quality is far better than live through Comcast. So I can watch GOT through several streaming devices as long as I log in to that device with my Comcast account information. If I get a minute I'll try to do a comparison. I would to compare devices like my Roku, AppleTV, and cable box streaming. But I also wonder about using Prime to stream it vs other things. It makes sense that the bit rate being higher is a good thing but how the audio is encoded and the compression algorithms could be different. I dunno. It will be tight just to get through all of season 7 before Sunday though. I can tell you that disc sounds amazing with Atmos at least.

And regarding HDR and projectors. I have been frustrated as well. I wish projectors had more brightness and the ability to read metadata in real time frame by frame then map it for HDR based on the projectors capability. It is not perfect. But, custom curves and a smaller screen made all the difference for me. It went from not great to totally worth it after the custom curves. I really doubt that you will get great results with your size screen. You just don't have enough Nits after color corrected calibration. My surface area is so much smaller. When I compare shows that are in HDR vs the SDR version there is an obvious difference in certain scenes. If you use Amazon Prime this is really easy since HDR and SDR versions of the show are easy to find and switch between relatively quickly. After doing that test a few times I decided that HDR was worth it for my projector and screen with custom curves.
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It's funny, just in the last few months I've sort of been paying attention to projectors again because as I work on this new theater, I realize I'm going to need a monster light canon to get it to work. Right now I think I'm looking at a roughly 190" diagonal (167" wide) 16:9 screen. (Ratio subject to change.) And unfortunately, projectors haven't been chasing lumens in the mid tier pricing. I need lumens, dynamic range and contrast way more than I need 4K. The only thing even close to what would pull it off would be the BenQ lk970 or 990 in conjunction with MadVR. Maybe I can pick up a gently used one when the damn room is finally done.
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It's funny, just in the last few months I've sort of been paying attention to projectors again because as I work on this new theater, I realize I'm going to need a monster light canon to get it to work. Right now I think I'm looking at a roughly 190" diagonal (167" wide) 16:9 screen. (Ratio subject to change.) And unfortunately, projectors haven't been chasing lumens in the mid tier pricing. I need lumens, dynamic range and contrast way more than I need 4K. The only thing even close to what would pull it off would be the BenQ lk970 or 990 in conjunction with MadVR. Maybe I can pick up a gently used one when the damn room is finally done.
WOW, that's a big screen. That will be fun to watch movies in. How is your room coming along since all the concrete was removed and taken away?

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It's funny, just in the last few months I've sort of been paying attention to projectors again because as I work on this new theater, I realize I'm going to need a monster light canon to get it to work. Right now I think I'm looking at a roughly 190" diagonal (167" wide) 16:9 screen. (Ratio subject to change.) And unfortunately, projectors haven't been chasing lumens in the mid tier pricing. I need lumens, dynamic range and contrast way more than I need 4K. The only thing even close to what would pull it off would be the BenQ lk970 or 990 in conjunction with MadVR. Maybe I can pick up a gently used one when the damn room is finally done.
Dang Bro! What is your seating distance going to be? What is your preferred viewing angle? And can you sit closer and shrink your screen size while still achieving the viewing angle that you are shooting for?

Personally I think there are too many picture quality tradeoffs to be made if you go for an ultra big huge enormous screen. It is quite noticeable really. I don't need a side by side comparison to tell the difference when I view screens much larger than mine. Now I do wish my screen was bigger for 16:9 content and next time I will go a bit bigger to remedy that but for 21:9 it is right where I want it to be.

I don't want you to give up on a super sized screen but maybe there is a middle ground. You are creating a huge problem for yourself and 4K and HDR will be next to impossible without stupid money or terrible black performance. I don't think you will want that in the end. When the lights go out the screen needs to be big enough to wow you and after that is done your eyes kind of adjust to the size of the screen and you forget about it. What keeps wowing you is far and away the rich contrast and accurate colors. Those things will make your eyes melt.

PS what if you did a 2:1 ratio screen that has adjustable masking? That is what I wanted to do initially. I gave up bc of the masking part. But the ability to get similar surface area for different ratios would be cool. You still need to target a small range for a viewing angle and build around that. Well I should back up since first you should put your seats where the best audio is likely to be and then build around that location.
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Now, I won’t be able to get that tune out of my head.

Are you guys flying to Axpona?
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I like big screens and I can not lie.
Now, I won’t be able to get that tune out of my head.[IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/eek.gif[/IMG]

Are you guys flying to Axpona?
Yes, Doug and I fly out Friday morn, and come back Monday morn.

We’ve got three gracious private hosts in the area lined up for home theater tours on Sat and Sunday. JTR is throwing a mingle event Friday night. It’ll be a good time! beastaudio, chopshop1, gorilla83, lukeamdman, d_c, and I — maybe popalock too are staying together at an AirBNB.
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