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Haven't played in some time, but the event that's happening now has got me slightly curious. Pretty much the entire internet is in the dark, but it'll likely be back this evening if I had to guess. I was on Apex Legends for a while, and haven't played that for a few weeks either.

Been trying to get drywall hung in the bar and entertainment room of my basement. Once I get that hung I will hire out the taping/mudding/sanding. I think right now I'm shooting to get that whole area done, and then revert back to theater because it's hard enough to be motivated to work on it right now with knowing it's blocking the theater, let alone once the theater is done. So getting that area done is like... cabinets, bar/countertops (thinking i will do concrete like d_c), trim, paint, flooring and then bathroom hookups. I'm probably still a couple weeks from being done hanging drywall because a) it's painfully slow because it was some of the first stuff I framed and 16 O.C. was apparently harder than it sounds, b) I have to figure out some crap in the entry way which I'm not looking forward to.
You might look into epoxy counters as well. I was thinking concrete too before doing epoxy. Still love concrete, just another option though. These were about $750 total to make
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Thanks @blister64 . I think I'm set on concrete, but I will look into that (and watch your video on it as well ).
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Dolby Demos -

For those looking for some quick demos, some can be found here: https://thedigitaltheater.com/dolby-trailers/

I recommend the Core Universe One as it showcases Atmos and Dolby Vision (or at least HDR with projectors). Especially if your projector has a good black floor as it has a nice moment where the blacks drop from a gray to deeper black.

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I'm going to cross post this here as this is a very active thread and many of you are experienced with both REW and the SI HS24 subs...
This is with 3 sealed HS-24 mkiii subs running off of a Sinbosen FP20000Q, 1 sub per channel at about 2000w rms

So I have a question for the more experienced in REW than I am.

For starters, I've adjusted my UMIK-1 from 18 to both 6 and 0 dB gain with the same results. Sensitivity files were adjusted accordingly.

Trying to get some demo clips of songs for another excursion/SPL video. Using RTA in REW, I'm peaking around 114-117 Hz with almost every song for the averaging. It's loud, don't get me wrong, but some songs seem louder than others and it's still hovering right around that 114-117 Hz mark. For kicks, I opened the SPL meter along side RTA to see what it was reading. Set on SPL and Z rated, I'm getting the LZSmax reading of 122.5 and the LZpeak reading 130.0 dB while RTA is still showing 117 dB max around 30-42 Hz for this particular reading. So.... what is my max SPL? And why is RTA not showing similar peaks? Subs are way hotter than mains for demo purposes.

I'm leaning towards the 130 dB as the actual reading, but maybe I'm just hoping that is lol... I'm literally knocking stuff off the shelf in the bedroom closet down here, screen is violently rattling on the wall, every door is rattling in the frame... Any insight? Thanks!

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It has been a while since I used rew, but the spl reading was always off for me too, so I gave up on using it for an actual spl reading. However, it is consistently off, so it still does the job across all channels.

Also, why did you have to get one more hs24 than me? I refuse to get 2 more just to show you what’s up
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It has been a while since I used rew, but the spl reading was always off for me too, so I gave up on using it for an actual spl reading. However, it is consistently off, so it still does the job across all channels.

Also, why did you have to get one more hs24 than me? I refuse to get 2 more just to show you what’s up
Well great. It's not a huge deal for me, but figured I'd be as accurate as I could since I'm putting stuff out there for people to see. 15 dB just seems like a huge difference for the same program to be reading.

And this is coming from the guy with ghorns and othorns plus 24s?? I think you're doing just fine without that extra 24! That being said... lol
I am in the process of buying those JBL 12s for near field though. I bought 6, but trying to decide if I want 8 or 16 total when they go back on sale... I've got that extra channel open on the FP20Q that I'm itching to use haha
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I use Omnimic so not much good to you with REW. But everyone I’ve ever seen use REW has to calibrate the SPL level with another MIC or SPL meter.

Omnimic comes calibrated with a mic code for the software and the SPL levels are accurate — up to about 125dB.

On Omnimic the max number is what you read not the peak number. Peak speaks to instantaneous peaks rather than some manner of sustained note average. a traditional SPL meter measures an average more equitable to the max reading on Omnimic.
@desertdome used to know REW pretty well. If he’s not too busy with his new house maybe he can answer your question.
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This might be interesting to someone.
The Epson LS10500 laser projector is on sale refurb for $2850
This is interestingggg. I might need to do some more research into it - but curious how that works with a laser refurb. At least in most Laser projectors the laser housing is not replaceable, so wonder what kind of hours you are looking at having it arrive at? Also curious about the age-old question of gaming on it. Does it have an 18gbps hdmi port? are the sync times fast? input lag? These aren't questions for you necessarily, but I assume you might have looked into them.

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My wife's folks are coming up end of this month for their annual visit from PA. They stay a couple weeks. They look forward to watching a few movies in my home theater and it's been an annual event to watch a TV show series or a Movie series - or if not a series - even just a few various good films that are relatively recent to that stay.
Have you seen the movie Suspiria (2018) ? It's is ultra family friendly about this girl that joins a dance crew in Germany. It's got everything! Dance, music, witches...... blood. Music by Thom Yorke!
I would be careful about the use of this projector for gaming. The review talks about inability of 4K HDR at 60 hz. That is pretty much throwing in the towel especially for next gen gaming right around the corner. In addition the input lag of 50 ms is not great. My old jvc rs 400 was maybe 80-100 and unplayable. My jvc rs 520 was around 40 ms and I could not detect lag but if I remember brad you said you could detect a hint of it when you were using the PS4 and PC at my place. So going to 50 ms would be a step backward into dangerous territory. My NX7 is closer to 27 ms and again I cannot detect any lag. I would look pretty hard at a B stock NX5 before the laser simply for gaming. Something odd I read in the review is that the laser is rated at 1500 lumens while my NX7 is rated closer to 1900. I thought that lumens was the primary advantage to laser along with image stability but I could be interpreting something incorrectly.

The new dynamic tone mapping update makes the recommendation a slam dunk in favor of the jvc imo.

PS. It looks like that is a pixel shifter instead of a 4K panel. I didn’t think moving to a 4K panel was going to be very discernible. I was wrong. From the instant the menu screen popped up on the Oppo 203 it was obviously sharper. I have been told that for gaming having a 4K panel is an even bigger deal. Food for thought.
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Everything Grant just stated plus it's an Epson.


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I posted this in Blister64's thread, but it might interest others too.


A friend from work introduced this product to me.


DreamScreen - you wrap your TVor projector screen with RGB lighting. DreamScreen extends the colors put out over your HDMI output to the space surrounding your TV or projected image.
https://www.dreamscreentv.com/


Here's a 120" projector screen using Dream Screen.


When I was originally playing with RGB LEDs a couple years ago, I tried putting RGB 5050 light strips around my projector screen, but it wasn't a great match because it looked a bit weird with my acoustic foam on the front wall that surrounds the projector screen. However, I can see it working in some other enthusiasts spaces and being a pretty cool extension effect of on screen light and action.

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Not a fan personally. I think it's too distracting, and not really sure what it adds to the experience. I haven't researched colored bias lighting so not sure if there is some technical reason why it might be better than white, but, eh even if it was, I'm out i think. THAT BEING SAID. if someone was having a rave in their theater and had some cool visualizations up, I might be down.

However... I do like glass blowing. That **** is neat.
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I was thinking of going to see Gemini Man this weekend since its opening. I see it is at the AMC Barrywoods theater in 3D HFR or high frame rate. They are saying it is the way to watch 3D. Not sure how the sound will be and I am usually more about the sound, because I have only seen a few movies that I liked in 3D. It's not I. It doesn't say Dolby Cinema so not sure about which theater it will be in.

Edit: Guess Zombieland 2 is in the Dolby Cinema.

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I think I would opt for Zombieland in the Dolby theater.
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Not a fan personally. I think it's too distracting, and not really sure what it adds to the experience. I haven't researched colored bias lighting so not sure if there is some technical reason why it might be better than white, but, eh even if it was, I'm out i think. THAT BEING SAID. if someone was having a rave in their theater and had some cool visualizations up, I might be down.

However... I do like glass blowing. That **** is neat.
Yea I mentioned in my thread that it would probably be 2-3x the cost as the lights I used, plus they already sync with the others I have done (I don't need more remotes lol). But I usually don't watch serious movies with the backlighting on. Sports, netflix, sure. I'm not sure how I would like the changing colors to match the screen. Would be interesting to experience.

You should check out the glass blowing competition on Netflix if you have not. Pretty talented (and interesting) people on there

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You should check out the glass blowing competition on Netflix if you have not. Pretty talented (and interesting) people on there
We knocked that show out in less than a week I think. Some really cool stuff, surprisingly a lot less blowing than I expected...............
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...surprisingly a lot less blowing than I expected...............
You may have to venture off of Netflix for more of that. You try HBO?

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$40 shipped = 120" retractable projector screen.
Outdoor/backyard movie night? @d_c you could just permanently mount this on your floating dock? It's quite a bit bigger than the one I gave you last summer.

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you are an animal.

I watched John Wick 3 on BluRay with Atmos at my house tonight with a co-worker. I was telling him about the wave crashing scene in the movie when John and Sofia go to visit her boss at the ocean side coin mint -- how with your 24" behind the couch we could feel every wave shuddering in the couch. When we got to that scene there was nothing noteworthy happening on my system.

Mind you I've got a flat frequency response down to single digits, and I was running my subs probably at least 15dB hot relative to the mains. We were watching the movie at -7 MLV.

I can't absolutely tell you how hot specifically my subs were -- I'd have to pull out my omnimic and it's too late to start doing reference + level sweeps, but I know I turn my gain attenuation knobs up ~ 6 clicks from my Audyssey calibration - then I turn up my subwoofers channel trims up ~4-5dB in the AVR as well, then there is Audyseey dynamic EQ adding a bit too at -7. So probably at LEAST 15dB.

After the movie I went back to that scene again to see just how much I'd have to add to get that same feel you had with your movie night. I added +12dB to both sub 1 and sub 2 channels and STILL didn't have the shake you had on that scene. This not only with the 8, 18"s, but with the 12" subs directly ATTACHED TO MY CHAIRS as well - which were borderline too much during this movie.

Now...

Don't give me any lip service about how you don't run your subs any hotter than about 3-6dB because all your friends know that's malarkey.


I just want to know how hot you were you running John Wick bass when we watched it at your house?

The bass was great at +15dB through the movie, (the shotgun scene was definitely entertaining) but it wasn't even reasonably close to what you were doing, and in the replay when I turned it up to almost 30dB hot for the wave crashing scene it still wasn't replicating what your setup did - so you were hotter still. Do you really normally run your subs > 30dB hot.

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I pumped up the sub trim 4 dB after the gunfire started, so overall it was only about 6db hot


I’m really not sure how much gain it has there. It’s a 7db slope in Dirac, and then I dial up or down the gain on the amp whenever. I make the subs way hot when listening to music and sometimes it just stays that way until we watch a movie.
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My wife's folks are coming up end of this month for their annual visit from PA. They stay a couple weeks. They look forward to watching a few movies in my home theater and it's been an annual event to watch a TV show series or a Movie series - or if not a series - even just a few various good films that are relatively recent to that stay.

This year I'm kind of spitballing. I've not seen too many good movies lately and the ones I have seen. How to Train your Dragon 3, and Spiderman Into the Spiderverse, may not appeal to a couple in the generation nearing 70 years old.

Things we've watched and enjoyed in the past (Harry Potter, Band Of Brothers, Lord of the Rings Trilogy, Planet Earth, Sherlock Holmes, Gravity, Fallen)

Any suggestions?
Best Buy has the original Jumanji and Jumanji Welcome to the Jungle on sale for (Edit its $19) right now. That is like $9.50 a piece and they are both fantastic AV and perfect for your purpose. In fact everyone needs to own these if you ask me.

You mentioned the original Planet Earth. How about Planet Earth 2? It is in 4K.

The recent Lego movies have all had incredible AV on UHD. Can you imagine if Disney cared enough about the audio track to even come close to what is delivered on a Lego movie? My top vote if you were going with a theme would be a Lego Movie marathon.

Lego Movie
Lego Movie 2
Lego Batman
Lego Ninjago

Ok not everything on this list is recent but they at least have recent UHD remasters and are good quality to the point that I have in some cases double dipped.

TS4
Lion King (original on UHD)
Incredibles 1 and 2
Wreck it Ralph 1 and 2
Shazam
Aquaman
Murder on the Orient Express
MI Fallout
JW Fallen Kingdom

Remaster stuff but so well done:

Matrix Trilogy
Braveheart
The Fifth Element
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MIB Trilogy

And the only one I don't own in UHD but I am including anyway due to pure excellence. The Fantastic Mr. Fox.

Edit for Rampage. It may be dumb but its dumb fun and Dwaye always delivers the lines and brings a smile. I just watched it on my set up for the first time. I had previously watched it at Doug's. Not surprisingly the bass lacked the impact I remembered but this movie STILL delivers the AV in a big way even on our (inferior to Doug) setups. Absolute reference quality and not punishingly long if it gets late.
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I’m on the schedule to have a movie night this Friday night (11/8). The plan is to play the gladiator in 4k DTS:X. I would like to get a head count to see who is coming just to make sure I still host. Please let me know if you can make it.

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I’m on the schedule to have a movie night this Friday night (11/8). The plan is to play the gladiator in 4k DTS:X. I would like to get a head count to see who is coming just to make sure I still host. Please let me know if you can make it.

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Thank you for hosting the movie night event Chip!

I had hoped to attend this, but I have a conflict now with something my brother scheduled -- so I'll not make it this time.
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Thanks Archaea - I just received a call and Friday night is no longer going to work for me. Long story but if you could move me to March of next year that would be better.


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Does anyone within our KC group have an OLED tv? I am on the fence about getting one and would like to see one in someone house before pulling the trigger. @chiptouz it looks like you have the LED front runner I was looking at. That 900F is what I had my eye on but I keep coming back to the inky blacks of the OLED. Any chance I could stop by for a demo?
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Does anyone within our KC group have an OLED tv? I am on the fence about getting one and would like to see one in someone house before pulling the trigger. @chiptouz it looks like you have the LED front runner I was looking at. That 900F is what I had my eye on but I keep coming back to the inky blacks of the OLED. Any chance I could stop by for a demo?
I ended up getting the 75" 850G. I really liked the 65" OLED a lot better, but it was out of my price range and I wanted 75" or bigger. I was told I could only spend $1000, but did get my wife to let spend $1350. I thought the the OLED looked better then the 75" 8K they had at Best Buy as well. The blacks were way better. Good luck in your decision.
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When I was at Best Buy back in June looking at TV's a Sony 65" OLED was on one wall and the 75" 8K was across from it and there was a difference to me and and I liked the OLED better. To me 8K is not worth the money at this time, but I can't afford OLED either and am very happy with my Sony 75" X800G 4K TV. Thought it was an 850, but just checked. Of course I was coming from a 12 year old 60 1080p rear projection TV, so I had a big step up and it is a lot more fun watching TV and movies now on the new TV. I paid $1349 and it is now $1099. Guess I should have waited longer.

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Yeah, it's hard to shake the image of the OLEDs from your mind. The contrast is just that good. The LG C9 has HDMI 2.1 meaning with next gen consoles and GPUs it will have a variable refresh rate of 40-120hz up to 4K. Like how Gsync and Freesync work currently. Speaking of GSync, Nvidia has already certified it as GSync compatible. Currently, it can do 1440 40-120hz and 4k 40-60hz. (lowered due to the Nvidia cards not having 2.1 yet)

I'm over hear drooling at the idea of having HDR and a buttery smooth variable refresh rate. The higher resolution is just a bonus. However, they are costly and this probably will cause me to build a new PC once the next gen cards start hitting the market next year. But I think it will be worth it to me.

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