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I just sent out a PM to all attendees. Please let me know if I missed anyone.
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I'm just there to take it all in, but if I got to choose I'm a big Nine Inch Nails fan and would like to hear some of that. If you have it great, if not I could bring the Beside You In Time Blu-Ray and throw some 2 channel tracks on a USB stick. Let me know.
NIN or Trent Reznor fan?
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The only NIN I have is the With Teeth album in DVD-Audio which I really like. Definitely bring whatever you want to hear!
Drop the Social Nework Soundtrack on him...

I'm sure that Carbon Prevails at full tilt on your system will leave him speechless...
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NIN or Trent Reznor fan?

Drop the Social Nework Soundtrack on him...

I'm sure that Carbon Prevails at full tilt on your system will leave him speechless...
I'm a Trent fan, but bigger NIN fan. I still follow him and his musical scores and see those movies just because of it. But in the end vintage NIN is what I like.
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I thought I was a bass head...some of these guys at the GTG are nuts!

140+db and they want more...crazy!
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At the 22 second mark on the video is awesome lol. Man that place was shaking!
That video was our second run of that movie clip, and I'm really kicking myself for not recording the first.

The reaction from everyone in the kitchen the first time the table did that was absolutely priceless!
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The GTG just ended and man that was a blast. Had a great time meeting everyone and I added quite a few clips to my demo list.

The 1099s were simply phenomenal. At first they were a tad bright, so we put a -2db shelf filter from 1khz and up and BINGO, flawless.

We crossed the 1099s at 80hz with the four AE 18s taking the low end. Full range they weren't that bad at all, but definitely needed help under 40-45hz.

We went back and forth several times between the SEOS24/BMS and the 1099s and I couldn't identify a any weakness in the 1099. Easily one of the best speakers I've ever heard, period.

BRAVO @tuxedocivic @whoiswes !!

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So what did you guy guys think of the 1099's. I know this post is early but what was every ones favorite speaker there today. Did anyone measure the room to see how loud the subs were played up to, can't wait to hear what all you guys all thought!!!
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I thought I was a bass head...some of these guys at the GTG are nuts!

140+db and they want more...crazy!
Can't say I'd consider myself a basshead......until today . That was just UTTERLY ridiculous.

This was my first time hearing a SEOS design, and I gotta say the 1099 is absolutely excellent. If I had the $$$ I'd build a set to have as a reference to recalibrate my ears for my own designs. My ears are still recalibrating after all that insane bass. I was exhausted at the end of it but it was a blast. It was good to meet the guys that showed up.

Luke's big SEOS 24 speakers, which make my big speakers look like toys, were quite good as well. With a little bit more work they'll be excellent I'm sure. It won't take much!
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Thanks again Luke for hosting and was great meeting everyone else. Simply put, as others have stated, it really is the meaning of ridiculous. Just plain crazy bass. I wasnt exactly kidding when I asked if you were concerned for the structure of the house.
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I had a blast. This was my first official GTG, but it won't be my last. Great meeting everyone; always fun to talk with people who have a similar addiction. I was really impressed with the 1099's, and I can honestly say I would love to build some for my theater. While I love Luke's SEOS 24s there's just no way I'd get the bosses approval. The 1099s however, very doable.

As for the bass, as insane as I've ever heard it at Luke's, and I wasn't even in the back row. And the table jumping upstairs was awesome, to bad no one got the initial reaction to that. Needless to say it was priceless.

Thanks again Luke for hosting, and be sure to pass along a big thanks to your family for letting a bunch of bassheads take over your house; and thanks for providing the snacks!

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Thanks for the demo today Luke. Subs were mind blowing. Look forward to next demo.
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Thanks for the compliments on the 1099 guys. Really appreciate it.

Looks like a lot of fun, I guess I was a couple weeks early Those subs are crazy. I probably would have pussed out if I was there
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My first GTG as well. Expectations were high and exceeded. I have a lot of catching up to do. My demo's aren't even close to that and I thought I had something to show. Not only that, but it was very informative. Luke is a great show man and wouldn't allow people to leave without hearing whatever they wanted to at whatever volume they prefered.
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Thanks to Luke for hosting (again) and Luke and Mike for helping with the 1099 setup, and to everyone else for the kind words and compliments. I learned a ton today and had an absolute blast.

I was a little bit apprehensive about bringing the 1099's, not because I thought they would suck, but because I would come away from Luke's envious and wanting more just because of the caliber of equipment he's running. To my surprise, I thought the 1099's held their own quite well, especially after the very minor EQ'ing we ended up doing. I'm going to have to spend some time in my own room now getting things dialed in. Nothing like a great demo to get motivated and show what's possible.

Hats off to @tuxedocivic and @Erich H for all of their work (and everyone else who posted useful feedback in the 1099 thread - there are so many names I can't list them all). I would have never built something like the 1099 without their incredible work and the feedback from everyone on this forum.

Add me to the list of guys who are absolutely fatigued from the insane amount of bass today. I showed my wife the hopping table video - she said AVS needs a wives forum so they can complain how annoying it is when the entire room is rattling around you. My permanent rebuttal will be to show her the picture of Luke's gear and just say "it could be a LOT worse".

Can't wait to do this again, thanks everyone for a very enjoyable day.
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Thank you so much for hosting @lukeamdman ! Your mains are incredible and it was a real treat to here the demo material through them. Although I only got to hear/feel your subs for 10 minutes or so, it was nothing short of a religious experience. I really appreciated the thorough tour of your setup, and it re-inspired to go more DIY on mine.

Thank you @whoiswes for bringing the 1099s. Hearing them has made me even more excited and motivated to finish my own.

It was great to meet everyone, and I look forward to next time!
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This would be my idea of a top shelf GTG. Not dragging in a dozen different subs and mains but one set and a properly tweaked room. What gets lost sometimes is the camaraderie of it all along with the chance to hear a specific setup or type/size of speaker or electronics. One of the highlights of friends GTG's at the 3-4 theaters locally, is the music files swapped. I always come away with new and good stuff to listen too. To be quite honest though I was equally at awe over the 7 seats and 2 rows. Anyway, Very .
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It was a blast as always. Your "wall of sound" just keeps getting better year after year. So i am assuming the 24218 towers will stay where they are for awhile and next year it will be a 7.42 channel setup? that will be interesting. Sorry that I've been there so many times, your room is like crack, i cant wait till my next fix. Bass!!!
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Luke, so you are planning on tweaking the eq more on the new mains? As they are set up now - did you like the mids and highs better on yours or the 1099's?

Just curious, I'm hoping you get them dialed in exactly how you like them. After Tux helped you some is it something you think you can now do?

-Or- am I reading your impressions of the GTG wrong and you are 100% happy with the frequency response of the Colossals? BTW, did you name them something? I might have missed it.

I guess I'm curious about a comparison of the two speakers since I've heard the 1099's (and was very impressed!)
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Luke, so you are planning on tweaking the eq more on the new mains? As they are set up now - did you like the mids and highs better on yours or the 1099's?

Just curious, I'm hoping you get them dialed in exactly how you like them. After Tux helped you some is it something you think you can now do?

-Or- am I reading your impressions of the GTG wrong and you are 100% happy with the frequency response of the Colossals? BTW, did you name them something? I might have missed it.

I guess I'm curious about a comparison of the two speakers since I've heard the 1099's (and was very impressed!)
Similar to the 1099 that we EQ'd down 2db, we ended up doing the same thing on the mega mains we and ended up going back and forth a bunch of times. Some tracks it helped, others not.

One of the attendees had to leave right at noon, and by that point we still had the 1099s going (we started with GTG with them). He wanted to hear the subs before he left, so we removed the 1099s and went straight to ~140db levels.

Then we broke for lunch and came back for music full range on the big mains.

I'm not sure if it was listening fatigue at that point, or a lack of any absorption on the first reflection points, or possibly both, but the -2db did help on some tracks.

However, over the weekend I built some 4" OC 703 panels for the first reflection points, and my ears have almost healed from Saturday, so I'm going to see if the EQ is needed after those are on the walls.

I don't know if it was bias or not, but I did prefer my mains over the 1099s. Those 18s just handle 50-200hz way too well, and their sound stage sounds as big as the entire wall.

David Beck is going to be here tonight, so I'll get his take on the mains as well.
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Similar to the 1099 that we EQ'd down 2db, we ended up doing the same thing on the mega mains we and ended up going back and forth a bunch of times. Some tracks it helped, others not.

One of the attendees had to leave right at noon, and by that point we still had the 1099s going (we started with GTG with them). He wanted to hear the subs before he left, so we removed the 1099s and went straight to ~140db levels.

Then we broke for lunch and came back for music full range on the big mains.

I'm not sure if it was listening fatigue at that point, or a lack of any absorption on the first reflection points, or possibly both, but the -2db did help on some tracks.

However, over the weekend I built some 4" OC 703 panels for the first reflection points, and my ears have almost healed from Saturday, so I'm going to see if the EQ is needed after those are on the walls.

I don't know if it was bias or not, but I did prefer my mains over the 1099s. Those 18s just handle 50-200hz way too well, and their sound stage sounds as big as the entire wall.

David Beck is going to be here tonight, so I'll get his take on the mains as well.

Woah cool - I didn't David would be up there!! Tell him I'm jealous and wish I was there.

As far as the panels go - this has been my experience. I think the sound is better with no panels in the first reflection point on the side walls. It seems to have a more "open" "lively" sound that I prefer.

This was after over a year of having the absorption panels in the first reflection points and now about 6 months of not having them.

However, I equally think that putting a panel on the reflection point on each side wall for the first reflection of the opposite speaker to that wall (contra-lateral reflection point I think I've see @Scott Simonian call it? I could be butchering the words there...). Doing this removes unwanted reflections from the opposite speaker which can slightly muddy up the stereo image IMO - not a lot, but enough to notice IMO (haha, with ears expecting to hear an improvement of course )

As always though, try it all out and let your ears be the judge!

Hmmm David isn't a crazy bass head. Don't hurt him.
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Woah cool - I didn't David would be up there!! Tell him I'm jealous and wish I was there.

As far as the panels go - this has been my experience. I think the sound is better with no panels in the first reflection point on the side walls. It seems to have a more "open" "lively" sound that I prefer.

This was after over a year of having the absorption panels in the first reflection points and now about 6 months of not having them.

However, I equally think that putting a panel on the reflection point on each side wall for the first reflection of the opposite speaker to that wall (contra-lateral reflection point I think I've see @Scott Simonian call it? I could be butchering the words there...). Doing this removes unwanted reflections from the opposite speaker which can slightly muddy up the stereo image IMO - not a lot, but enough to notice IMO (haha, with ears expecting to hear an improvement of course )

As always though, try it all out and let your ears be the judge!

Hmmm David isn't a crazy bass head. Don't hurt him.
I think in my room, because the width is only 12.5', that absorbing the first reflection will probably help.

I do prefer a more "lively" sound as you describe above, but the front row is only about 8ft from these monsters! Luckily it's easy, and quick, to add/remove a panel and see what sounds better. If I don't like it, no reason to put a panel there.
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