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post #151 of 227 Old 04-23-2018, 10:41 AM
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A big thanks to @lukeamdman for setting this up. It was great meeting so many fellow enthusiasts. I had a blast and learned a ton.


Luke - your setup never disappoints. I think the ported subs are huge step-up from the sealed arrangement I heard last time. And as awesome as your subs are, I think your mains are every bit as impressive. I don't know if I've ever heard better sounding speakers. Thanks for the ride to lunch, it was nice catching up with you and @Rowan611

@BRAD S and @K_Dude - Thanks for the ride back to my place. Good luck on your quest for speakers, K-Dude.

@zorax2 and @Killer - I was bummed I didn't get to your places, but there was just no way to bend the schedule to allow it. If either of you ever find yourselves along I-694 let me know and I'll get you in for a demo. Seriously... just let me know.


I had a couple people ask (I apologize, I don't remember who you were) where I got some of the Demo Clips I used... AVS user Jindrak has a boatload of clips on his google drive that he has made public. The link is at the end of the 1st post of this thread... https://www.avsforum.com/forum/19-ded...demo-disc.html


Lastly, thank you to everyone who stopped by to see my setup. I received numerous compliments - which was very nice to hear considering the time I put into it and the setups that some (most?) of you guys are running. But just as importantly, I received a few suggestions on how I can make it even better.


Luke, when is the next crawl going to be?

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I want Luke to install a projection setup by the next crawl. Just so I can see how many migraines it takes to get a screen that A) doesn't explode into confetti and B) you can actually get still enough to make out what it's supposed to be showing.

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Hi everyone thanks again for having me over to your homes.
The first stop was at @zorax2 me and Jc where the first ones there and were able to talk Rich for a little before everyone showing up. I'm happy I was able to hear the PSA subs in a room that was dialed in they sounded great along with the rest of Rich's speakers. His JVC 4k projector looked great on his screen which now has me searching for a upgrade for my own room. The picture was so crisp and clear with his 4K demos that he played. The Atmos clips were fun hearing all the effects of a Atmos demo clip he played and very clear! By the time the demo was half way over the rest of the guys showed up and we were able to finally all meet in person and talk shop.

The 2nd home was at Richards house he had a 4k sony projector and a 35K JVC projector wow what picture from those! His surrounds were hidden in the wall which made a nice example of what's possible when hiding speakers and still keeping a nice sound in the room. My wife would of loved to see that instead of having everything out in the open. I could of spent a lot more time here seeing that amazing picture on his Stewart Screen!

Next was lunch everyone showed up and just hung out got a bit to eat.

The 3rd house was Steve's @Steve Kuester what was the exact finish you used again on your 893's and subs I loved the way they looked! Guys are asking on facebook about your speaker and subs. The 893's sounded great with his 4 UM18-22 sealed subs the bass shakes the room and gave a nice nearfield kick to the couch. Steve was saying when we were over that when his kids good to bed his wife and him can watch a movie and just play the nearfield subs with out waking up the house I completely agree and helps keeping the effect without the walls flexing lol. THis was the first time I heard the 893's and they didn't let anyone down there so clear and kept up with the subs. I see no need for you to upgrade to anything else these brought a smile to my face.

Last house was Lukes... what can I say besides wow your setup is insane and on a another level to any other house I've been to. His mains where taller than me and seemed effortless when they played. Luke spent a lot of time dialing them in and it really showed to the guys who have never heard his room it's like having 4-18's playing along with your lcr for the amount of midbass and low bass they produced. The first thing that comes to mind is like being slapped in the face and punched in the gut when he turned them up. These would have no problem going against JTR's 215 mains. There so clear and the detail from the CD on them is something to be heard nothing sounded distorted during any of the demo's with his mains turned all the way up.

Now for Lukes bass your a mad man Luke! I loved the ULF in your room!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The last row was un real I can't believe how much bass is in your room it's like being hit by Mike Tyson all over your body. The pressure they make leaves me speechless on how to describe the feeling and what you hear. I now am a fan of speaker power amps they keep going and going with the power they provide your 21's. I think we hit 154.4 db in your room at peak and there was still more left in your drivers! Your setup is my end all setup in my room.

Thanks again for putting this all together it was nice to meet everyone in person finally to put a face to a screen name. Everyone was so cool and laid back during all of this I hope I can meet everyone again down the road.
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I want Luke to install a projection setup by the next crawl. Just so I can see how many migraines it takes to get a screen that A) doesn't explode into confetti and B) you can actually get still enough to make out what it's supposed to be showing.

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Ha. I'm picturing the screen billowing like the sails on the Mayflower.
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I wish I could of made it. Looks like you guys had a great time. Thanks for posting all the reports. With AXPONA the weekend before, I just had too much to do at home since we are trying to sell our house in the next few weeks.

If I could have made it, I could have brought a Sony 5000ES with a Panamorph Paladin DCR lens and Lumagen Radiance Pro 4446. That would have been cool to compare directly to the JVC 4500. Was the Panamorph lens used at all during the Crawl?
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DD, did you like my pic I sent?

I keep delaying my review because there is so much to say, but til I have time to sit down and type it out: thank you Northmen for being awesome hosts, the rest of the crew for making the ht crawl enjoyable and friendly, and the KC Crew for being the only nerds I can not get tired of talking to for 6+ hours in 2 directions while planning the next KC event in the final hours.
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Our first stop was at Steve's. And, if I'm being honest, I was most excited about seeing and hearing your setup. And it went beyond what I had hoped for. Those 893 and nearfield UM18s are the real deal. Thank you for being such a great host and letting me pick some music to hear on your 893s. I meant to ask if you had something between the 893s and the UM18s. If not, I'd get something between them for protection. Also, I'd look at trying to get the sweet spot a little bigger. It's hard to do with a two seater, but I think it might pay dividends in the end.

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Rich, that projector is awesome. A huge upgrade over your previous one. Again, was great to hear you S3600, forgot just how good they sound. Wish we could of had some more 4k demos. But, it was nice to get over to Roberts and see his setup and projectors. Great seeing you again. Hope you and Tammy had a great evening sans kiddos.

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Robert, it was a pleasure to meet you. I have to say your knowledge of projectors and screens is crazy. You might as well have been speaking  French, lol. But I guess it should be having been doing it as long as you have. I really enjoyed seeing the Sony and JVC. And, while I could definitely see a difference between the two, I'm not sure I could ever justify the cost difference. It was nice to see a room setup for a completely different (all speakers in wall except subs). Everything seemed well integrated. Also, thank you for the hat. I do love hats.

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As always you system impresses. No matter how many times I listen to your mains, they always put a smile on my face. They are easily the best speakers I've ever heard. As for your subs….well I'm still recovering from the 2 day beating I took. Lol. And, I will never forget watching your left side surround go bonkers playing the Oz Witch Battle. Was scary and awesome at the same time. Thank you again for putting all the work into getting this together. And, also thank you for letting me crash at the house. I don't know if you been back down to mess with your surrounds, but I really liked how they were sounding Saturday night.


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I don't know if you been back down to mess with your surrounds, but I really liked how they were sounding Saturday night.
I've been down there listening to stuff the past two nights and the surrounds sound wayyyyy better now. All we did was bump all four by 4db but it really did the trick.
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The 3rd house was Steve's @Steve Kuester what was the exact finish you used again on your 893's and subs I loved the way they looked!

I used a hi-gloss laminate from Wilsonart called Madagascar. You can go to Wilsonart's website and order a bunch of free samples of whatever designs or colors that interest you. The samples are nice and big too, (maybe 6x9?) so you get a good feel of what it will look like. I got the idea for this Madagascar design from @ClantonAudio and @deewan



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I meant to ask if you had something between the 893s and the UM18s. If not, I'd get something between them for protection.

I'm using sorbothane pads on the bottoms of the 893s. Before the sorbothane I was using some hard foam pad I had laying around, but the 893s would walk if I turned it up too loud. Saturday was the big test, and they didn't move at all. Here is what I used... https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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I used a hi-gloss laminate from Wilsonart called Madagascar. You can go to Wilsonart's website and order a bunch of free samples of whatever designs or colors that interest you. The samples are nice and big too, (maybe 6x9?) so you get a good feel of what it will look like. I got the idea for this Madagascar design from @ClantonAudio and @deewan
I always love the Madagascar finish!! As Steve said the samples you get are good sized. If you decide to purchase I personally found Home Depot to have to lowest price by a large margin. I think sheets come in 4'x8' and 3'x10'... or something like that. There were two sized. It's been a few years since I've placed an order.
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Wish I would've spotted this thread earlier.
I have a decent home theater room (in the twin cities area) that I would love to show to fellow AV enthusiasts.

65" LG OLED C6P
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I have a decent home theater room (in the twin cities area) that I would love to show to fellow AV enthusiasts.

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Like many of my posts, this will be a rambling mess.

Great time guys!! I had always wanted to make it up to see Luke's room (even though he avoids KC like the plague! . ) but the added bonus of seeing the other rooms made me so glad I made the trip. Seriously, it will be great to have you down someday (hopefully) somewhat soon. On the ride home there was talk of the next big KC Tour in the summer of 2019. Doug has his new room to show off (it's awesome) and by then Ryan ( @chirpie ) might be done with his amazing under the garage HT build.

Randy, Doug, Jonathan and I had a blast making the trek from KC. Lots of interesting topics along the way. Shoot, on the way up we killed at least 20 miles talking about the joys of getting a vasectomy.

In Mason City (thanks a ton @BRAD S !) we did our best to block all descending coronary arteries by eating deep fat fried blocks of cheese that were so heavy it was like doing a 1 rep max on upright rows to get them from plate to chin level.

Staying at Brad's was awesome. His theater is so well done. The acoustics, the comfort, and that low noise floor!! Great job on that room. I saw the best black levels/clarity I think I've ever seen in my life on a demo he has about the railroads being built through Canada. I highly recommend it - what's that name of that Brad?

His seats were so comfortable and reclined ALL the way back. Such a great job hiding all the speakers too, including the 4 ceiling speakers. He even has the perfect spot for 2 wides if and when that becomes a thing with Atmos. I love the rack outside the room and the super easy access to it. You can just tell that so much work was put into this room and I'd be in it all the time.

Really nice town too, I was impressed with Mason City.

On to Minneapolis the next morning. Our first stop was at a BEAUTIFUL house (Rich's place) that had one of the best views you could ask for in a suburban area. Great space Rich - LOVED the basement. Jonathan (Archaea) and I had fun playing both foosball and that hockey game, what a great setup. The room itself was so well done too, I heard a lot of compliments on your KEF LCR when we were back in the car and I'm not surprised your son and friends love to hang out in there. I would too.

The next stop was a bit of a let down. We were all pumped up to see what a 35,000 JVC would look like but unfortunately there was so much ambient light in the room that you really couldn't tell that it was anything special. Like Killer said, if only we could have had the demo at night!

Steve's room made the KC crew feel right at home. Nearfield subs? Yes please. So creative with the enclosures and also the kitchen countertop finish on the speakers. Indestructible and beautiful at the same time, you can't beat that. Those DIY Soundgroup speakers sounded fantastic! I have heard the 1099's and I liked these more, and that's saying something because I think the 1099's are great.

Luke's room.

There isn't much left to be said except for this. For those of you that didn't stay late to get movie/music demos at normal listening levels I think you missed out on how amazing his system sounds. Sure it's fun (REALLY FUN) to crank the subs up to 150 db's and feel it punishing your insides but that might have left the impression with some that that's all his system was designed to do. It's not. I know everyone got to hear a few clips of just the mains playing but if your last impression was 150 db's of bass then it's easy to forget how amazing those speaker sound - AND - if you didn't stay late you didn't hear movie clips with the subs on but ran at normal levels. Hearing his system played like that was amazing. We played clips between reference and 5 over reference (again with MUCH less volume on the subs) and it was the most effortless and dynamic sounding demo I have ever heard.

We also did some more 2 channel listening. I sat in the back row on a folding chair that was in front of the back row couch but obviously behind the front row. I was dead center between the mains. It was amazing. IMO that is the place to be in Luke's room. The bass sounded very smooth and even. I know Luke said that in the front row he has some nasty nulls, but none of that in the back. One more thing about those mains. In that room with those speakers I got the best/strongest center imaging I have ever heard. DEAD center. You would bet your house that the center channel is on. I’ve heard a lot of setups that had great center imaging but this was a next level kind of thing.

Thanks so much to everyone that hosted, I’m so glad we made the trip. It was great to see people that I have met over the years at different GTG’s as well as meet guys that I have “known” on the forum for quite some time, like eng-399.

If that wasn’t enough, David Beck @dlbeck had us stop by his place in Des Moines on our way home. I’ve been there multiple times to but I was jonesin’ for another hit of his amazing theater because last summer I went up with him to see Metallica in Newton (amazing show, I’ve seen them 6 times and this was the best I’ve heard them sound) so we didn’t have time for HT fun. I have always said that David’s room is the best HT I’ve ever experienced, and after Sunday I can safely say that hasn’t changed. The bass has no ringing… it’s so quick, clean, tight, etc. but the biggest impression is that you never feel like there are speakers in the room. I know a lot of us have managed to create the half bubble of sound around us with atmos setups, and it really is great but being it David’s room it feels like you are not in a room at all… like there are no walls. It’s hard to describe but those that have been there know what I’m talking about.

David was nice enough to make us lunch (tacos - nice!) and he also showed us his new JTR/Salk sub with his Salk 2 channel setup (if you haven’t see the pics it’s a JTR S1 with a Salk finish to match his speakers. Beautiful - and that set up sounds GREAT!

One final thank you to the KC guys for putting up with my princess tendencies.
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We also did some more 2 channel listening. I sat in the back row on a folding chair that was in front of the back row couch but obviously behind the back row. I was dead center between the mains. It was amazing. IMO that is the place to be in Luke's room. The bass sounded very smooth and even. I know Luke said that in the front row he has some nasty nulls, but none of that in the back. One more thing about those mains. In that room with those speakers I got the best/strongest center imaging I have ever heard. DEAD center. You would bet your house that the center channel is on. I’ve heard a lot of setups that had great center imaging but this was a next level kind of thing.
@carp - you are spot on! Luke's @lukeamdman mains and their imaging and dynamics are incredible and I hope everyone had a chance to check that out as well. Luke has those speakers completely dialed in unlike anything else I've ever heard.
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I'd also like to say thanks for everyone who let us come and see their theaters. I experienced so many things for my first time this past weekend (atmos, tactile transducers, near field subs, 4k picture, and perfect sound - slightly above reference ). I really wish I could have stayed longer to experience the demo Carp mentioned above and to just talk more with everyone. Maybe next time. It was still awesome to hear something higher end than my polk monitors!
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Thanks for the kind words @carp , I was glad to have you guys stay over!


That movie you asked about is: "Rocky Mountain Express" in 4K Ultra HD. It is the best video material I have come across yet and it is also a pretty interesting movie.
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Please subscribe to this thread which will likely be linked to a new thread for the next crawl. I've never heard Electrostatic speakers so that would be great to hear a setup like yours. Which part of the metro are you located in? Hopefully, you can be a stop on the next crawl. It's a lot of fun.
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I completely agree with what carp said about his entire post about everyone’s room. Besides everyone’s room it was so nice to meet everyone I’ve talked to over the years in this Audio forum. I’ve been in so many different threads pm’ed guys and to finally put a face to a user name and just hang out was awesome. This was a great bunch of guys to hang out with this past weekend! I’m so glad I made trip up there
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That movie you asked about is: "Rocky Mountain Express" in 4K Ultra HD. It is the best video material I have come across yet and it is also a pretty interesting movie.
I ordered a copy while still watching it and Brad's place...gorgeous images.
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Just came across this thread and subscribed. Sounds like you guys had a great time and there are some incredible setups. Thanks for sharing pictures and reviews! I'm in Plymouth on the west side of the metro area in Minneapolis. It would have been fun to see some demos of other systems in the area. I'll have to try to catch it next time. My media room isn't anything over the top, but it suits my needs well. I can play it as loud as I prefer at all hours without waking my wife up at night, so that was mission accomplished in my book.





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Just came across this thread and subscribed. Sounds like you guys had a great time and there are some incredible setups. Thanks for sharing pictures and reviews! I'm in Plymouth on the west side of the metro area in Minneapolis. It would have been fun to see some demos of other systems in the area. I'll have to try to catch it next time. My media room isn't anything over the top, but it suits my needs well. I can play it as loud as I prefer at all hours without waking my wife up at night, so that was mission accomplished in my book.





Looks like a really nice setup. Can you tell us more about it?

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First, and most importantly, thanks to the hosts for opening up their homes and sharing their enthusiasm, home theater builds, and food with others in the hobby. And a big hearty thanks to @lukeamdman for organizing the crawl. It was enjoyable and I’m glad there was a spot for me to attend! The KC guys made a stop on the way up and spent the night with @BRAD S , and then made a stop on the way back at @dlbeck ’s – so we were fortunate to get a bonus two home theater showings! Also thanks to @JCJetta for letting me butt in with he and @eng-399 for one of the legs between stops. @carp thanks for driving – even though I think it was a ploy so that you’d have control over the radio, and could listen to metal music. @d_c thanks for sharing your delicious deer jerky, and @Randy Bessinger your cookie platter – I’m sorry my shrek hands wrecked it.

I’m known for giving a frank, honest opinion when asked, and by my own admission – sometimes offering it when not asked --- I could probably use a muzzle on occasion, but those of you who know me probably shouldn’t expect this post to be any different than those I’ve offered in the past. Be assured, my intent isn’t ill – simply that every coin has two sides, and I as a home theater host many times in the past always appreciate honest subjective constructive criticism alongside any compliments/praise. The KC guys are friends enough now that we are pretty perfectly frank with each other – which I like. For instance, Carp dislikes my speakers for music, but likes them for movies, and wouldn’t hesitate to tell me openly. I appreciate that, but safely ignore his individual preference in regards to music, because A) his music preferences suck 😉 , and B) I like my speakers very much for music (otherwise I certainly wouldn’t keep them). Early on in this hobby I was more of the mindset to try to please all my guests so for another example when carp (years ago) said he heard a buzzing in my amp (that I couldn’t hear unless I was 2 foot away), I switched amps, so as not to offend my guests with that bit of buzzing. That was a fix for a problem I didn’t know I had, that I didn’t benefit from, and served no real purpose. So, fortunately, I’ve learned somewhere along the way to not account for one person’s subjective opinion that doesn’t align with my own opinion. So, PLEASE, take my comments in stride -- and weigh any opinion I produce in the balance of heavily favoring your OWN subjective tastes. It is your theater space after all, and I'm just some random internet guest.




Brad - @BRAD S

Thanks for offering to hotel the KC guys on the way up to the crawl Friday night. Those Cheese Curds at the local tavern were quite good – first time I’ve ever had anything like that. It was fun to catch up, and watch a movie that evening, and talk shop! Tell your wife thanks for making us those tasty blueberry muffins for breakfast! What a treat!

Theater Space Pros – Excellent and comfortable space, your Berkline chairs were as good as it gets, your room looked excellent, your rack wall was perhaps the best I’ve seen and you did a great job on the custom rack faceplates and overall look! Your JVC 500 picture was excellent. The space was a treat and worth the storied long years of effort you put into it! You claimed not to be handy – but after seeing your space – I don’t believe you. Also, thanks for showing us that documentary about the steam trains. I’d like to watch it at my place, though I know my aging Panny’s contrast wouldn’t hold a candle to your JVC’s picture. Your image was fantastic, and the sound good as well!

Potential Improvement Opportunity (in my subjective opinion) - recalibrate subwoofers to eliminate hotspotting in the room. Consider using both subwoofer outs if your AVR actually has two outputs so you can adjust time delay uniquely for each bank. I’m not on board with the single subwoofer output controlling subs in disparate locations. You have three DTS-10 subs for balance (2 front/1 rear), but there was a variance in bass as you walked around the room or sat in the different rows. First row great, second row, a bit louder and a bit boomy, third row louder yet. I suspected a phase issue very quickly after moving from front row to second row, and then confirmed after sitting in third row and then walking to the front of the room. The phase swap we tried for the rear DTS-10 seemed to help in our short time fiddling, but it can likely be tuned in even better than the simple 180* phase switch that occurred when we switched polarity. Feel free to pm me if you want to discuss further. There are different thoughts on this – I only speak for my own preferences I’ve acquired through tweaking my own two banks of subs. Also, perhaps - if you haven’t already – consider angling up the center channel a little bit (lean it back), just a bit of tilt to keep the speaker center angled up through your three rows. Overall, I recognize it is tougher to calibrate for three rows, and if push came to shove, since your first row sounds spot on - perhaps just leave well enough alone! One final thing, I’ve read that having rich colored walls near the front of the room, immediately near the projection screen can provide a hint of that rich color hue on the projector screen, and I believe there is some truth to that. I didn’t notice it on movie clips but when the screen was just white I think I might have noticed a hint of red glow on the screen. I debated mentioning it – because…nitpicky. Don’t take these notes too harshly - I really enjoyed your room! It was overall truly excellent.




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Theater Space Pros - Wow! Fantastic basement area – game room, theater room, game TV wall, arcade, etc – and such a nice outdoor view to boot! Carp and I had some fun playing hockey and foosball while we waited for our demo session! Your home theater was very comfortable, and you had a great picture (especially after @jeahrens brightened the screen setting a bit with opening up the iris). The Eagles concert disk you played sounded truly fantastic on the Kef speakers. I can absolutely see why your teenage son and his friends (and your family) love the space! I like that you designed the room dark to get the most out of your projector! Your subs sounded good and balanced and they had plenty of headroom for your space! It’s a good job on converted bedroom theater, and a great space to play a game, movie, or some music! Thanks for sharing your home!

Potential Improvement Opportunity (in my subjective opinion) - consider lowering the physical height of the projector screen a foot or two. I felt like I was looking “up” at the screen from your seats a bit more than my subjective preference. Don’t be afraid to cut loose the brightness on that fine JVC projector vs. relying solely on what the Spyder tool recommends. If there’s a common theme any more, especially since HDR introduction, it seems projectors are calibrated too dimly for my tastes. Perhaps a reference vs. preference thing though on my behalf.




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Theater Space Pros – A comfortable space with the poker table in the back, and the theater integrated to the kitchenette and bar. Good use of available basement space! Your sound treatment panel on the side walls with the completely hidden surround speakers is a good idea, and seemed to work well. I like the idea of matching speakers all around (definitely my preference to match all speakers), and I agree with your decision to move the screen wall to face the front of the house, as that allows all the guest in your basement area to watch the action onscreen! Thanks for showing us the two screens, and showcasing how a grey screen helps rejects ambient light, as compared to the white screen behind. Having two tensioned screens that drop down to represent 16x9 and 2.40.1 is a solid idea. I also appreciate that you tried to get some high end projectors for us enthusiasts to demo. I can tell it’d be a great place to hang out on a Friday night with friends!

Potential Improvement Opportunity (in my subjective opinion) - Consider painting the home theater nook/area -- as dark as you can stomach. You can leave the rest of that area light colored as is. You’ve got a lot of ambient light in your basement. Darkening that front area --- even at night (with lights on for the poker game going on the back table) would help tremendously with your screen contrast. Blackout shades for the windows for daytime movie watching is a must. Contrast is one of the most important aspects of a good image, and it was lacking. Frankly, my buddy’s $1000 Optima budget projector in his light controlled blacked out basement room looked better than the $30,000 laser projector we saw --- because of that ambient light in the room. In contrast I’d expect we’d all have been blown away by that laser projector in a blacked out room. Here’s a site I’ve found trusty information at in regards to wiring testing and myths. It all boils down to speaker impedance, wire resistance/distance with copper wire runs. No need to spend on boutique cables.
http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm
http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm#misleading





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Theater Space Pros – Excellent. What a fantastic finish on the speakers and subs!!! Such that I’m looking into trying that with my Epique CBT24 line array speaker system that I’ve been dragging my feet on. What router bit did you use to make that work? I’m not nearly handy enough, darn it. I’ll have to employ @d_c to show me how to do the first few cuts so I can proceed to make fewer (though certain) mistakes when I try my hand. I loved the 893 speakers, and thought they both looked and sounded the part! I too own Ultimax UM18-22 subwoofers, with sealed cabinets, so we have similar tastes there! Your bass preference was hot, but not overbearing – and pretty much matched my personal tastes. I thought your space was so well executed that you could sell that entire setup direct as a high priced “boxed home theater kit” to rave reviews. Basically budget DIY/AIY components, but put to use with great effect! I really like what you did!

Potential Improvement Opportunity (in my subjective opinion) - Frankly, none. I didn’t get to spend much time here because our group was so large, and there were just two primary seats, but from what I witnessed…great job! Integration with a 5.2.2 AVR and single pair of ceiling speakers while lowering your side surrounds to better segregate the sound from the installed Atmospheric audio speakers would be my personal path forward if I owned that space.




Luke - @lukeamdman
Luke I appreciated your hospitality and conversation. I’ve liked you since we started talking years ago. You always seem down to earth, even if your home theater portrays a different wild side! [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG] Thanks for hosting the KC guys overnight on Saturday, and for providing the food and drink to such a huge crowd of people. I’ve been looking forward to visiting your place for years and I wasn’t disappointed. 7 kids makes me wonder how you do it, but it seems your kids have a great father --- as you strike me as one of the “good guys” in this world.

Theater Space Pros – Fantastic mains, effortless, incredible, imposing to the point of installing fear in the listener (me anyway – having done calibrations/testing where something went wrong and a test tone or sine wave went off at incredible full amplifier volume – I was afraid I’d be left with blood running from my ears if such happened to occur in your room!!?!!). Sound from everything was pure – effortless – especially from the L/R and subs! Let’s face it, you have more bass from just the L/R than a ridiculously high percentage of all of AVSforum subwoofer enthusiasts. But that’s not all – mix in TEN 21” subwoofers… wowzers!!! The amount of bass that room is capable of is not something I need, crave, or even want – but it is stupidly fun to experience! The DTS-X Cymatics clip was the best/cleanest I’ve ever heard it. It seemed limitless. The majority of demo clips we ran later that night were easily +2 or +5dB over reference (which we did measure your reference to be accurate with my own omnimic simply as a third party confirmation of your SPL settings) and there was not only zero noticeable strain on the speakers at volumes above reference, but you could seemingly turn it louder than reference without immediate noticeable pain/concern for your ears. In fact on some of the +5dB demo clips, notably the DTS-X Cymatics clip, I wanted to turn it up higher! I’ve been in three rooms now where I could clearly listen to reference level (or louder) demo material for over an hour without pain or discomfort. dlbeck (JTR 212HT), Craig John (Triad Platinum) , and now lukeamdman (DIY “MOAS” – Mother Of All Speakers). I don’t know what causes this ability to ignore high SPL levels in regards to discomfort – but my immediate theory is exceptionally low distortion from the audio system. The videos will confirm to all that we had a lot of fun experiencing all that bass. @eng-399 and I measured 104dB outside, on the back deck, during one of your demo clips. Then again 125dB measured in the kitchen. That’s probably enough said. Your bass was 10dB over THX reference peaks (2x’s as loud as commercial IMAX cinema) IN THE KITCHEN. Finally, I loved the look of your theater room. The ceiling turned out great, the higher middle and channeled sides give the ceiling a personality, while the front soundstage commands you to sit down, shut up, and be utterly impressed.

Potential Improvement Opportunity (in my subjective opinion) - Surround placement not ideal for first row (primary row?), and surrounds were not level matched MLP. I couldn’t really even hear the surrounds when playing clips I was familiar with during the demo section while seated at the front row. (I had some demo time on my own in the room later in the evening). In the back row the surrounds sounded great. It’s probably a limitation of the room/door position. The mismatched center, fault of using a big HDTV, along with Washington Monument sized L/R, meant I didn’t appreciate some particular concert clips as well as when compared on audio systems where the L/C/R channels all match -- which seems like lost potential for such amazing L/R. In particular the Katherine McPhee/Chris Botti concert clip which is one of my favorite clips of all in my own room sounded unfamiliar/off in the first row (with the lack of surround sound presence and the slightly mismatched front sound stage). In the end, it’s all a series of tradeoffs right? Luke has the best L/R I’ve heard, and out of this world clean, limitless bass, but that esteem comes at the penalty of size -- and overall cinema presentation in a limited size room. Pick your poison. Best L/R and subs, or balanced cinema sound. As to subwoofers, I’m personally a fan of nearfield subs, and won’t give them up willingly – not even to crowson transducers, or 140-150dB of bass. An 18” firing into my back is still my preference, and a 24” firing into your back at d_c’s is every bit as punishing without the high accompanying SPL. All the above said --- it’s still an absolutely Excellent room for many reasons – and a benchmark especially for bass levels and quality of L/R stereo sound!



David - @dlbeck

Theater Space Pros – Best theater I’ve ever visited – and by a full letter grade over anything else I’ve experienced. If I could watch a movie anywhere in the probably 100 home theaters I’ve visited all over the U.S., or any of the commercial theaters I’ve ever visited – there is absolutely no question it would be David’s. Perfectly black room when the lights dim, huge comfortable room with tiered stadium seating, ultra-comfy seats, unbelievably refined, balanced sound. This is what happens when you build a new house with the house secondary to the home theater plans!
Clean, Balanced, Amazing!
Thanks for hosting us for a quick stop in on the way home! When we had our KC crawl last year in 2017 we KC hosts joked we should just cancel our crawl and get a big bus to drive up to David’s because everybody would like that more than our theaters.

Potential Improvement Opportunity (in my subjective opinion) - MOAR bass (not a flaw, because David could simply turn it up!) – It’s just my subjective preference vs. David’s preference for reference reproduction. I’d say Atmospheric audio (ceiling speakers) is on the dance card too – but it’s so good as it is (without) – who cares!!!


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Jonathan, thanks for your observations! I wasn't expecting that, but I do appreciate reading your thoughts.



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For instance, Carp dislikes my speakers for music, but likes them for movies, and wouldn’t hesitate to tell me openly. I appreciate that, but safely ignore his individual preference in regards to music, because A) his music preferences suck 😉 , and B) I like my speakers very much for music (otherwise I certainly wouldn’t keep them). Early on in this hobby I was more of the mindset to try to please all my guests so for another example when carp (years ago) said he heard a buzzing in my amp (that I couldn’t hear unless I was 2 foot away), I switched amps, so as not to offend my guests with that bit of buzzing. That was a fix for a problem I didn’t know I had, that I didn’t benefit from, and served no real purpose. So, fortunately, I’ve learned somewhere along the way to not account for one person’s subjective opinion that doesn’t align with my own opinion.

God I sound like a d***, I was in both examples.

Hey... you missed one example of how I begged you to go with a scope screen. How'd that turn out?

I hope no one takes offense from Jonathan's post, I like it when I get suggestions even though I sometimes don't want to hear it. For years people told me I had to go with an AT screen. I didn't want to and thought it wouldn't make that big of a difference. I was so wrong.
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God I sound like a d***, I was in both examples. <img src="https://www.avsforum.com/forum/images/AVSForum/smilies/tango_face_smile_big.png" border="0" alt="" title="Laugh" class="inlineimg" />

Hey... you missed one example of how I begged you to go with a scope screen. How'd that turn out? [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/tongue.gif[/IMG][IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/tongue.gif[/IMG][IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/tongue.gif[/IMG] [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif[/IMG]
Not at all! I enjoy your honesty and friendship.
I’ve learned a lot from you over the years, carp. The scope AT screen you suggested so strongly turned out to be a fantastic idea for my height limited wall — that I do really enjoy - and I’m certainly glad you talked me into it! Our discussion on amp hiss and questions of amp necessity helped stimulate the blind amp and blind AVR comparison testing g2gs we did. We learned a lot from that testing. And ultimately — as we discovered in the blind test at dlbecks between Salk and JTR, there’s no one size fits all preference for a speaker sound. Two people sitting side by side for an identical demo can strongly prefer a different speaker — there’s no wrong or right for your speaker preference among any competently designed speaker — what’s right is what YOU, as the owner are happy. Once I understood that it was an eye opener. Before that point I assumed that as a whole, people would gravitate towards liking the single superior speaker (whatever that means - surely it was the one I liked right? ) in an A/B blind test when all variables were equal --- but as you’ll recall with the JTR vs Salk blind test it was a 50/50 split for music listening and proponents on both sides were very passionate about their stated preference! To the point of very lively discussion.... - "How could you like that one better!?!?!" breaking out among the group, and with people being unable to understand how there could be a dissenting opinion to their own after the audition. Very interesting indeed that two people sitting side by side in a large, wide room for an audition could prefer a different speaker so strongly (when everything was carefully level matched, balanced, and set up fairly).


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Post 3480 was my review on that particular blind matchup that had such strong mixed preferences! As I look back on it - apparently @BRAD S and I had different opinions and sat right next to each other. I remembered whoever I sat next to and I had strong preferences for the opposite, but didn't remember it was Brad until I looked it up! So Brad, you can probably just disregard any preferences I have for your room.
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Archaea always has a way of providing compliments and improvement ideas together so that you walk away humble and motivated to improve. My thoughts mirror his on the theaters we visited but I'll add my own 2 cents.


Brad S - Thanks so much for taking us in and hosting the KC Crew for the night. You take a lot of pride in your home and theater, and it shows by the amount of attention it gets. You and I are very similar in that we both obsess over the details and finding the best way to fix up a thing, any thing. ie, the storage racks in your garage made out of dog kennel walls because they work better and are easier to install than the more expensive ones you can buy off the shelf. Genius! Your crafstmanship in the theater is top-notch down to how the electric outlets rest perfectly on the top of the fabric pillars - the details make it awesome. I also like your removable fabric covered pillars so you can get in to the surrounds/flanking subs hidden behind, and also the invisible atmos speakers hidden in the coffered ceiling. The picture, sound, and comfort of the theater are inviting and are a package deal, and you know it means business as you walk through the gear room on the way in. Awesome! Nice job on air movement too, that must have taken a load of time and effort to design and build with all of the thermostats and such. I think you could get a MiniDSP and do some work some with the DTS-10s and with minimal effort, they will blow your mind once they work together a little better.

Xorax2 - Man, that room is begging for family fun. No wonder your kids are having their buds over all the time and rocking out. I would too! It's dark as heck and cavelike with nothing but great sound, comfy chairs, and an incredible display. They difference between your rs5xx and my rs400 is crazy - I wanted to kick my PJ right in the nutz when I saw the image from yours - it's lucky it was out of range back in KC. I would lower that screen some though - and make it bigger! The KEFs were so comfortable to listen to with the multichannel music. It was definitely my favorite part of your demo. I could listen to music in there all day and wish we had more time to go through some of my favorite tracks.

Killer - Thanks for bringing in all the awesome gear but the time of day put a damper on the lighting - I was detecting a hotspot on the lower left corner . You are still welcome to send the JVC to me so I can test it out for you for a while. Your walls with the sides hidden behind the fabric were killer, the fronts were tricky how they imaged several feet higher to give you the feeling that the screens were AT. I am a sucker for motorized screens too and that was the first time I have seen a gray screen. It looked noticeably better than the white one with all the ambient light down there. I'll bet you have some spirited poker sessions down there in your all-in-one mancave.

Steve Kuester - Great job in your all DIY audio setup. I admit that I wasn't excited to hear the 893s because I did not like the 1099s when I first heard them. That was outside with a concrete floor and a super basic Xo setup, so not a fair review. However, I loved the 893 in your room. I was starting to get a head cold by the time we made it to your place and my ears were getting clogged up and sensitive, and harsh speakers are my nemesis when this happens. Your 893 sounded good though and never sounded harsh, even to my sensitive ears. The finish on them and the subs is sooooo nice! I'm super impressed with your craftsmanship on them with the veneer, which gave them a professional look. I am a big fan of the Ultimax subs and yours integrate nicely with the mains. I feel like the nearfield needs a lower xo since you can localize it behind the couch, which takes some of the fun out of the gunshots though. Every one of your demo tracks was fun and immersive, while sounding great at all levels. You have a huge sound in the small space and I'm also impressed with how there were no rattles with all that ULF firepower.

Lukeamdman - Dude, your mains and subs are unreal. Only guy I know that can do the car audio "hair trick" in their home audio room. Standing in the narrow path between the wall and your mains while feeling the pressure of the subs pass through the body put a huge smile on my face. Eng-399 and I were doing that on opposite sides of the room with big ole grins on our faces and I was trying to figure out which one of us was stupider. You have done amazing work with the mains. They have the Biggest sound I have heard from 2 speakers ever. Not just loud, but big. It's something that you can't really explain -it has to be experienced. The soundstage is the best yet and you can tell when the vocals move just a few inches to the side like the singer is in the room. My favorite was later in the evening when we were listening to music at lower levels. My ears were pretty smoked by then and I my cold/stuffed up head wasn't doing me any favors. We were at -5ref around then for some acoustic tracks and the sound was just beautiful.

Thanks for organizing the GTG Luke and for letting us crash at your home. I kind of latched on to you as my audio yoda after I had a run of smoking my subs when trying to put together my system. I realized I needed something that I could turn up to 11 and then found you a few steps ahead on a similar path after you just built the Ghorns. I built those, then the Othorns and keep benefiting on your depth of knowledge of the technical side of all things audio. Heck, I built the Radian surrounds site unseen because you said they were great. I enjoyed hanging out and talking about audio, kids, and slaying deer. I hope you can make it to KC some day whenever you get over your deep, deep fear of traveling here to hang out with the KC Crew.

Dlbeck - Thanks for feeding us animals and taking time out of your already busy day to have us over for a quick joyride in your untoppable HT. It is a thing of myth and the best everything I have experienced in a HT, so I'm not going to say anything more nice about it or your head might get too big and explode all over that beautiful work of art you have built!


All you other guys: it was great to see you again or meet you for the first time. I hope to make it to Chicago and see what you guys have cookin in your theaters. Mike, I'm pretty sure we need to slug some beers and talk about building stuff while I'm there.

Can't wait for the next GTG!

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We learned a lot from that testing. And ultimately — as we discovered in the blind test at dlbecks between Salk and JTR, there’s no one size fits all preference for a speaker sound. Two people sitting side by side for an identical demo can strongly prefer a different speaker — there’s no wrong or right for your speaker preference among any competently designed speaker — what’s right is what YOU, as the owner are happy. Once I understood that it was an eye opener. Before that point I assumed that as a whole, people would gravitate towards liking the single superior speaker (whatever that means - surely it was the one I liked right? ) in an A/B blind test when all variables were equal --- but as you’ll recall with the JTR vs Salk blind test it was a 50/50 split for music listening and proponents on both sides were very passionate about their stated preference! To the point of very lively discussion.... - "How could you like that one better!?!?!" breaking out among the group, and with people being unable to understand how there could be a dissenting opinion to their own after the audition. Very interesting indeed that two people sitting side by side in a large, wide room for an audition could prefer a different speaker so strongly (when everything was carefully level matched, balanced, and set up fairly).


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Post 3480 was my review on that particular blind matchup that had such strong mixed preferences! As I look back on it - apparently @BRAD S and I had different opinions and sat right next to each other. I remembered whoever I sat next to and I had strong preferences for the opposite, but didn't remember it was Brad until I looked it up! So Brad, you can probably just disregard any preferences I have for your room.
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Jonathan, I remember that get together well....I recall making a statement to the extent of "running those subwoofers that way is like being married to a Playmate and never seeing her neked!" Of course this tongue in cheek proclamation was in regard to David's preference, at the time anyway, with running his very capable subwoofers in a subdued manner.


I also recall us trying to identify which speaker was playing behind the screen. It was an interesting exercise comparing those two speaker choices even though in my opinion they are for two different applications. The Salks are fantastic sounding speakers and are beautiful! The JTR's not so beautiful but lack nothing in performance in my opinion.


Jonathan your point about preferences in sound is spot on! A hundred years ago when I was in the audio/video business I learned quickly what people's hearing preferences are very subjective. Who am I to try and convince somebody my way is correct? With novice listeners (95% - 99% of consumers) I would take the approach of telling them what to listen for when I was demoing speaker "A" -vs- speaker "B" for them and let them make a somewhat "informed decision". I would have them listen for the depth, height, and width of the sound field. I would have them close their eyes and "visualize" where the vocals were coming from, the drums, the guitar....could they "visualize" the size of the venue. Many eyes were opened, or ears in this case when you would give a novice listener a tad bit of perspective of what to listen for. In my opinion, the space you are listening in has every bit as much an influence, if not more, on the sound reproduction as the actual speakers, equipment, etc. Also, when we are critically listening to these rooms at get together's like last weekend, the rooms are full of 180# to 250# salt water bags scattered around the room which obviously alters the sound as well!


In my opinion, the people reading this thread are in the 1% of audio/video enthusiasts within the general population. We have made the effort to seek out how other people reproduce an audio/video experience in their own home. How many within the general populous would make this effort? I think we can also agree that within the 1% of which we all fall into, there is a wide range of experiences, expectations, and competencies.


Thanks again for everybody opening up their homes for a visit and thank you to those who have taken the time to write comprehensive reviews of what their experience was. It truly is a treat to read!

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