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Thanks for coming over, and for the tips, and for ruining my budget on showing me D-Box!

I did find out that DTS issue is caused by the Amazon Fire, not the file or plex. Apparently only Nvidia Shied and Roku can output anything other than DD. (And a HTPC obviously) Everything else outputs as DD+, same with AppleTV.
You can also decode DTS and DTS-HD to 8 channel LPCM on fire TV, but you probably need to use Kodi to do so. AppleTV can also output 8 channel LPCM to get DTS and lossless audio.
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You can also decode DTS and DTS-HD to 8 channel LPCM on fire TV, but you probably need to use Kodi to do so. AppleTV can also output 8 channel LPCM to get DTS and lossless audio.
Good to know.
I've always wanted to play with the NVidia Shield, so this gave me the excuse I needed to order one.
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Good to know.
I've always wanted to play with the NVidia Shield, so this gave me the excuse I needed to order one.
Using a Shield in general will be an easier and better solution anyways.
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@tortelvis My only beef with the Shield is that it could be more stable. I probably have to restart mine at least once a week. It replaced an Apple TV so quite the difference in stability. It's way more powerful than any of the other streamer boxes and I bet you will like it, especially with Plex! It will direct play everything minus Dolby Vision.

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@SteveFred can you add me to the In list for this month's GTG, plus a (maybe but probably no) guest? I've been trying to get my brother to check these GTGs out but it's been tricky to sell the drive all the way out from Chicagoland.

I'm bummed to have missed the last couple, hoping to get back on track and find more ideas to steal for my own dream home theater in progress.
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Tentative Schedule of future GTG's (Things could change obviously.)

SteveFred (Aug)
lbrown105 (Sep)
feistyacorn (Oct)
pennynike1 (Nov)
Jeff Permanian (Dec)


Any others willing to host?

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Even if you don't have many seats, you can do 30 min to 60 min demos and rotate groups, as the other members can hang out outside or in other area's talking about home theater and other nerdy hobbies while you show off the theater.

It's primarily how I show off my system, even though I can currently fit 7 people at a time. But I tend to group people in 3 at a time. I want everyone getting the MLP seats.

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@SteveFred can you add me to the In list for this month's GTG, plus a (maybe but probably no) guest? I've been trying to get my brother to check these GTGs out but it's been tricky to sell the drive all the way out from Chicagoland.

I'm bummed to have missed the last couple, hoping to get back on track and find more ideas to steal for my own dream home theater in progress.
Glad you can make it! I will put you down as coming and possibly a guest. If you could let me know by Thursday or Friday (22nd/23rd) if he will be coming with that would be great!!

Its coming up fast 12 days away!!

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@SOWK

I know you were super jealous of my $150 3200 Lumens Royale projector.
Here it is in case you guys want a great outdoor projector.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B071KWB4FL/
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I know you were super jealous of my $150 3200 Lumens Royale projector.
Here it is in case you guys want a great outdoor projector.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B071KWB4FL/
I still want to try to calibrate it. would be funny.

SirMaster you up for it?

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Tentative Schedule of future GTG's (Things could change obviously.)

SteveFred (Aug)
lbrown105 (Sep)
feistyacorn (Oct)
pennynike1 (Nov)
Jeff Permanian (Dec)

Any others willing to host?
Awesome to see so many GTGs planned out for this year and really appreciate all the member's sharing their space with us. I'll definitely try and slot them all in if possible as I always enjoy talking to other enthusiasts and also hearing / seeing what people have so I can get ideas on what I'd like to do with my future space.

I'd also love to host once I get something setup. No idea when that would be unfortunately. Maybe I'll post my space here at some point to try and see what people suggest.


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Tony came over tonight and we did some more calibration stuff, generating a 3DLUT for madVR.

Here are my results (everything is calibrated and measured against DCI-P3):

JVC Autocal:


3DLUT:


Gamut:


Video version:

3DLUT was created in DisplayCAL with just 115 patches.

It's pretty nice, I now got 90% DCI-P3 coverage and 95.8% DCI-P3 volume.

I really love the results that I see in movies when I toggle the 3DLUT on and off. Every scene is better with the 3DLUT on.

If you saw my projector at my GTG, well it looks even better now!
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The GTG is this Saturday! That sure came fast!!

I will PM everyone coming so far with my Address. If anyone else wants to come, just please let me know by Friday night(PM or text)!! I look forward to seeing everyone and having a fun day!



Times: 11am-1pm for VR set up and playing, 1pm ish to start the HT demo, discussion etc and snacks, 3pm ish for dinner and 430pm ish start of Endgame. Obviously all times are just a ballpark except for the starting time of 11am

I live in Vernon, WI(Mukwonago Zip 53149). I am(roughly) 25 min from Milwaukee, 50 from Beloit, 40 from Sussex, 60 from Janesville, 80 from Madison, 25 From Racine, 35 from Kenosha, 90 from Chicago. Googlemap -- Doll CT Mukwonago WI 53149

I will have enough room for at least 12(could squeeze a couple more if needed haha) to watch a movie, but no limit on anyone that wants to come and check out my theater, meet everyone and just hang out and enjoy the afternoon.

You welcome to come from Start to finish or just for an hour or 2. Totally up to each person/couple

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We have a great list of peeps that are coming already and plenty room for more!


List so far :

IN: 13 Guests plus the wife and I

Tony(SOWK) and Colleen
Nick(Sirmasters)
Mark Seaton
Rob(Tortelvis)
Steve(Swarolet) and Natalie
Scott(SRW1000) and Nicki
Rad(Fiestyacorn) and Holly
Dave(lmidgitd)
Ulises(OdysseusG)



Maybe's: 3 guest

Travis(Tlzkaasen)
Lance(lbrown105)
Ulises(OdysseusG) possible guest coming with


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So... apparently the members gear for sale post was deleted along with every single "like" this thread ever received up to that point. LOL.


Oh well.


PS. I sent an email asking if there is a fix.
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So... apparently the members gear for sale post was deleted along with every single "like" this thread ever received up to that point. LOL.


Oh well.


PS. I sent an email asking if there is a fix.
That's really nice that the mods just delete it without any explanation. I thought you were already conforming with the forum rules. I hope this isn't an instance of an evolving target... and it gets resolved.

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That's really nice that the mods just delete it without any explanation. I thought you were already conforming with the forum rules. I hope this isn't an instance of an evolving target... and it gets resolved.

They just want all things for sale in the classifieds.

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Anyways, this is what I am thinking of doing with SAF184.03s and UM18s.
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A little birdie told me Scott upgraded to a 4th sub!!!!!

So I decided to upgrade to at least 3 to try to keep up with the Joneses...

Going to install a Seaton Submersive HP right behind my back row between the seats and the projector rack. Will just fit. I have 18' depth and the Submersive is 17.5" deep.

Going to use it more as mid bass slam sub since it is sealed and let the dual 4000ULF's do their thing.

Plus now with a third sub, I will get the real benefits of multiple subs in a room. As before with the 4000ULF's co located I was only really getting SPL benefits and not frequency blending and smoothing.




So here is the latest Theater Plans:


2019 (All pending Dirac getting put into the RMC-1 this year)

Install Emotiva RMC-1 into the main system running 9.3.4 setup
Install New Pre/Pro for the tactile response setup (Crowsons/D-Box)
Remove one chair from the second row
Lower the surrounds to just over the headrest level for proper Atmos guidelines
Move and lower the rears to just over the headrest level for proper Atmos guidelines
Install Seaton SubMersive HP on riser
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2020 (All pending expansion modules getting released for the RMC-1 in 2020)

Install Emotiva RMC-1 Expansion module for 4 additional channels 11.3.6
Install Emotiva XPA-11 Gen 3 for additional channel amplification
Install Four JTR 8HT LP for new surrounds and center ceiling Atmos (previous surrounds will now be rear wides)
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A little birdie told me Scott upgraded to a 4th sub!!!!!

So I decided to upgrade to at least 3 to try to keep up with the Joneses...

Going to install a Seaton Submersive HP right behind my back row between the seats and the projector rack. Will just fit. I have 18' depth and the Submersive is 17.5" deep.

Going to use it more as mid bass slam sub since it is sealed and let the dual 4000ULF's do their thing.

Plus now with a third sub, I will get the real benefits of multiple subs in a room. As before with the 4000ULF's co located I was only really getting SPL benefits and not frequency blending and smoothing.
You are a 1/4 way there to 12 subs! We will get you there eventually

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You are a 1/4 way there to 12 subs! We will get you there eventually

NOPE! I'm not going for SPL!!!! I'm just going for great bass, for all three MLP chairs if possible.


We go to your place if I want to shake my insides and my eyeballs till they bleed... LOL

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So doing the math... I now truly know why so many people love doing near field subs....


Before my Dual JTR Captivator 4000ULF's I had two Seaton SubMersives behind my screen at 23' distance from the MLP.

The two of those really filled the room with very powerful bass. (Even PennyNike1 was impressed at how much bass two of them could output.)

With the new single SubMersive sub only 6' from the MLP it "should" be 11dB louder than a single SubMersive sub at the 23' distance. So it would have the SPL output of nearly 4 SubMersives behind my screen... LMAO
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So doing the math... I now truly know why so many people love doing near field subs....


Before my Dual JTR Captivator 4000ULF's I had two Seaton SubMersives behind my screen at 23' distance from the MLP.

The two of those really filled the room with very powerful bass. (Even PennyNike1 was impressed at how much bass two of them could output.)

With the new single SubMersive sub only 6' from the MLP it "should" be 11dB louder than a single SubMersive sub at the 23' distance. So it would have the SPL output of nearly 4 SubMersives behind my screen... LMAO
I may do that eventually and take out 1 seats(or maybe a cup holder or 2 haha) in my second row and add 1 or 2 subs. Maybe if I find a good deal on something down the road

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I may do that eventually and take out 1 seats(or maybe a cup holder or 2 haha) in my second row and add 1 or 2 subs. Maybe if I find a good deal on something down the road

Just make sure it is Seaton Subs... We need you to be our Seaton Theater going forward...
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SOWK,

6 foot away isn't very 'nearfield'.

Nearfield subwoofer may not have a standard definition per se' but IMO and experience to truly get the tactile feel of nearfield it should be somewhere less than or equal to the diameter of the cone from your listening position with the cone firing towards your body to gain the most tactile experience.

The difference in between 6' and 6" won't necessarily show up on a SPL chart -- it's not about being louder -- because you'll have the two sub distances calibrated to match.

However, the tactile feel difference with a very near nearfield will be off the charts at the same volume with the driver cone facing the listener and the acoustic energy off the cone movement is way more intense up close.

To put it in perspective I have eight 18" sealed subwoofers. I did a little experimentation when I was first exploring nearfield subs. 1 of the 18" subwoofers directly behind my chair firing directly into the back of my chair gave me more tactile feel than the other 7 subwoofers up front at the same listening volumes. So I played around with the settings and decided on three nearfield and five up front.

I know your room and current setup don't compliment that option, and I didn't find your theater lacking by any stretch (quite the contrary - as I've told you before - it was fantastic!) - so I'm not telling you that you should figure out how to get them closer --- or need to try to change anything - just discussing my observations and experiences with the concept of nearfield as it relates to tactile feel.

I've explored the arena further with my direct mount chair subwoofers - BOSS inspired. They are inches away from butt firing directly up into my chair. They are so potent it's ridiculous. I have them limited in the DSP to 20 watts each, and it can still be overwhelming.

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Correct. I just mentioned I knew why people loved to do near field now, or semi near field. You gain significant SPL benefits as well.

As the one even 6’ away would have the spl of 4 of them behind the screen in my setup. That’s pretty major.

Not that I thought my third sub would be near field to the MLP. It will be to the second row though.

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A little birdie told me Scott upgraded to a 4th sub!!!!!
I've got a pretty good idea of who that bird was, and I'm pretty sure that's a HIPAA violation.

The order has been placed, but it won't be ready until next week, which is plenty fast for my tortoise-like pace.

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So I decided to upgrade to at least 3 to try to keep up with the Joneses...
I thought we were discouraging that behavior here. Now, if you meant you were jonesing for an additional sub, that would be OK.

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Going to install a Seaton Submersive HP right behind my back row between the seats and the projector rack. Will just fit. I have 18' depth and the Submersive is 17.5" deep.

Going to use it more as mid bass slam sub since it is sealed and let the dual 4000ULF's do their thing.

Plus now with a third sub, I will get the real benefits of multiple subs in a room. As before with the 4000ULF's co located I was only really getting SPL benefits and not frequency blending and smoothing.
That is one heck of an MBM! That placement should work well for evening out your bass response, not that I could notice any deficiencies with your current setup.

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2019 (All pending Dirac getting put into the RMC-1 this year)

Install Emotiva RMC-1 into the main system running 9.3.4 setup
Install New Pre/Pro for the tactile response setup (Crowsons/D-Box)
Remove one chair from the second row
Lower the surrounds to just over the headrest level for proper Atmos guidelines
Move and lower the rears to just over the headrest level for proper Atmos guidelines
Install Seaton SubMersive HP on riser
Dirac the system


2020 (All pending expansion modules getting released for the RMC-1 in 2020)

Install Emotiva RMC-1 Expansion module for 4 additional channels 11.3.6
Install Emotiva XPA-11 Gen 3 for additional channel amplification
Install Four JTR 8HT LP for new surrounds and center ceiling Atmos (previous surrounds will now be rear wides)
Tweak system as much as possible with Dirac
Dirac the system
Laser JVC Projector????
Hmmm, this is quite a drastic change from your post at the beginning of this year:

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Here are my proposed goals as I move forward on the 2019 updates.

By the end of January
Projector: JVC DILA-NX7
Sound Baffle Walls: 16" Rockwool Safe"n"Sound baffle walls in front and rear of the theater

By the end of February
Pre-Pro: Emotiva RMC-1
Speakers: (possible speaker upgrade) JTR Noesis 212RT's for LW, L, C, R, RW

By the end of March
Chairs: DBOX Chairs installed and working

By the end of the April
Audio: Full REW/Dirac Live Calibration, and possibly Mark Seaton calibration if I can't get it just right myself.

By the end of the Year
Finally stop, and enjoy the 10+ years it took me to get where I am with the system.
(Color emphasis added.)

And then there was this one:

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I'm doing my cough cough "final" upgrades this year. I will try to get a new one up after that.
This kind of serves as proof that membership on this forum can lead to a dangerous addiction. But a fun one.

I have to say the JVC laser option sound mighty tasty!

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I thought we were discouraging that behavior here. Now, if you meant you were jonesing for an additional sub, that would be OK.
That is one heck of an MBM! That placement should work well for evening out your bass response, not that I could notice any deficiencies with your current setup.
You had gotten another JTR so another Seaton had to be installed to balance the force.

Real response:
1. I got such a good deal on it I would have been silly to say no.
2. I have always liked the idea of asymmetrical sub placement and its bass responce benifits but my OCD would have never allow it with only two subs.
3. I know they say bass is omni directional, but I still like the idea of bass coming from in front of you and coming from in back of you.
4. Plus who couldn't use just a little more mid bass slam?

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Hmmm, this is quite a drastic change from your post at the beginning of this year:
My wife found my password, logged in and posted that as me! Hoping I would read it and stop....

Real response:
1. Dolby Atmos did its thing early this year and changed the 'ultimate" home standard to 11.1.8 (Previously it was 9.1.6)
2. I am stopping at 11.1.6 however, I believe having a top middle ceiling set will be the most pronounced and belevible setup one can do if they care for Atmos height effect, and 11.1.8 doesn't give you a top middle ceiling configuration. 11.1.10 would, but Dolby needs people to upgrade again in 2 years right?
3. So because of the Atmos change I decided to revisit my rear configuration that was originally designed for DTS-MA and Dolby True HD. The surrounds and rears are no longer in "spec" per the Atmos guidelines and it should be a free change so why not right?

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This kind of serves as proof that membership on this forum can lead to a dangerous addiction. But a fun one.
I have to say the JVC laser option sound mighty tasty!
As for the JVC Laser, Projectors were always something I was going to keep updating until I found a "perfect" laser projector... JVC might be close to releasing such a beast. So that's why it is a maybe.

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Speaking of the future:

This is DTS:X Pro


If you have setup your system for Atmos 9.1.6

Here are the optimal speakers you would enable for DTS:X Pro

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Real response:
1. Dolby Atmos did its thing early this year and changed the 'ultimate" home standard to 11.1.8 (Previously it was 9.1.6)
2. I am stopping at 11.1.6 however, I believe having a top middle ceiling set will be the most pronounced and belevible setup one can do if they care for Atmos height effect, and 11.1.8 doesn't give you a top middle ceiling configuration. 11.1.10 would, but Dolby needs people to upgrade again in 2 years right?
3. So because of the Atmos change I decided to revisit my rear configuration that was originally designed for DTS-MA and Dolby True HD. The surrounds and rears are no longer in "spec" per the Atmos guidelines and it should be a free change so why not right?
Hopefully we won't get other studios following Disney's lead and baking in the simplistic 7.1.4 soundtracks instead of the object oriented ones. It would be a shame to invest that much time and money just to see the content handicapped.

Maybe you and Steve can ask around at CEDIA about what manufacturers are hearing from different studios and their plans for immersive audio"

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As for the JVC Laser, Projectors were always something I was going to keep updating until I found a "perfect" laser projector... JVC might be close to releasing such a beast. So that's why it is a maybe.
Another juicy thing to look forward to at CEDIA!

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So... apparently the members gear for sale post was deleted along with every single "like" this thread ever received up to that point. LOL.


Oh well.


PS. I sent an email asking if there is a fix.
I just noticed that not only were the likes from this tread deleted, almost all of my personal likes are gone, even ones from other threads through the years. Very odd.
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I just noticed that not only were the likes from this tread deleted, almost all of my personal likes are gone, even ones from other threads through the years. Very odd.
I noticed the same and it is very odd. Also, not that I post a lot, but my post count is messed up and/or posts were deleted without warning too.
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