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I would be interested. I would probably be able to stop by from 3 to 6 give or take. Very excited to hear the update!
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BOSS platform tuned! My impressions are generally good. Perhaps my couch is too heavy or flimsy, but sub 15hz is noticable but lackluster. Where the BOSS shines is 15-35hz (low passed at 35hz FYI), especially at a lower volume. It's nice to have the tactile feedback when watching at a reasonable volume. I would have liked more sub 15hz tactile feedback, but perhaps four 12" subs aren't enough for me or my setup. The inuke limiter is set so that the output is maxed starting at -18db and higher.



Would I do it again? Most definitely. I rarely listen louder than -18db, so having the augmentation is very nice.


Pretty sure mine is working very well below 15 Hz, but it is new to me as well. Are you using PEQ filters in the iNuke? I created a guide as I was researching, and the PEQ filters I am using in both the Behringer NX3000D and the miniDSP are included in it:


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Pretty sure mine is working very well below 15 Hz, but it is new to me as well. Are you using PEQ filters in the iNuke? I created a guide as I was researching, and the PEQ filters I am using in both the Behringer NX3000D and the miniDSP are included in it:
Excellent write up! I do get a lot of subwoofer movement at 10hz because I do not have a hpf in place, instead I rely on my signal chain rolloff to act as a hpf for the BOSS. Regardless, I'll give your PEQ a shot. I think it might just be that my couch is too flexible, idk.

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Excellent write up! I do get a lot of subwoofer movement at 10hz because I do not have a hpf in place, instead I rely on my signal chain rolloff to act as a hpf for the BOSS. Regardless, I'll give your PEQ a shot. I think it might just be that my couch is too flexible, idk.



Thanks again


You are using the hudson high fi feet for your riser feet I assume? And a lot of them? They are only rated for 50lbs each. So for a heavy riser, with a heavy couch, with potentially 3 people or another 450lbs on it you are looking at needing a lot if you want to even come close to the load recommendation.
@carp has a riser with a couch on it and a BOSS setup with either four of six JBLs in it, and If I recall correctly we could feel bouncing down to 4Hz on test tone tests. Heck it’s not subtle in the slightest. On his riser setup I feel like I’m bouncing a half inch up and down. It’s enough to distort my vision when he has it cranked up.
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I've got 6 of the HiFi isolators on the recommended carpet spikes (under each couch leg) for a three seater couch. Total weight including me, 400lbs? Probably over the limit. Perhaps I should order six more.
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I am making it official for my GTG for March 21. If you haven't already done so, please contact me to RSVP. It should be an exciting event, especially since I have put the process in motion to get my processor updated with DTS-X pro.
Hey Alex,

I plan on coming to your GTG on the 21st or March. I do not think we are going anywhere for the kids spring break. As for the time, I would assume I would stop by for 3-4 hours for sure. Maybe starting at 1pm. (not 100% sure on the times yet). I look forward to seeing/hearing your sound system : )

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I've got 6 of the HiFi isolators on the recommended carpet spikes (under each couch leg) for a three seater couch. Total weight including me, 400lbs? Probably over the limit. Perhaps I should order six more.


Yes. You should order more. Whats the recommended carpet spikes? I’ve not followed the BOSS thread lately.

The hudson hifi feet have a durometer rating slightly higher than a gummy bear. If a gummy bear is all squished down then it cant’t jiggle and bounce. You want that bounce/wobble/jiggle.
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GTG on 3/21 will begin at 12:00 pm, and will go to midnight, if there is interest in doing a late night showing at 10:00 pm. To all those who are planning to attend, please confirm expected arrival/departure time. Thanks!
I've got the date in my calendar, but just don't know what time works yet. I will let you know as the day gets closer. I know you've spent a lot of time picking specific clips and movies that really show off what your system is capable of and I can't wait to hear all of the updates!
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Yes. You should order more. Whats the recommended carpet spikes?
"Slipstick CB420 Carpet Protector Caster Cups" are the recommended carpet spikes that I know of. I was also mistaken, they are sold in sets of four, so I must have 8 under the couch. I'll check tonight to make sure everything is still coupled.
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"Slipstick CB420 Carpet Protector Caster Cups" are the recommended carpet spikes that I know of. I was also mistaken, they are sold in sets of four, so I must have 8 under the couch. I'll check tonight to make sure everything is still coupled.

Is that to potentially keep the riser from moving?

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Is that to potentially keep the riser from moving?
It looks like it's to keep the isolators from falling too far in to the carpet and causing the driver to hit.
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It looks like it's to keep the isolators from falling too far in to the carpet and causing the driver to hit.
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I actually took some isolators out from under the back row riser because it was driving me nuts that my youngest kid wouldn't constantly make the whole thing move when she shifts around - which is constantly. I'll put them back eventually.

For the front row I use 6 isolators per chair. 1 under each home theater chair leg and 1 at the back corners because my drivers are behind my chairs since they won't fit underneath. 6 per chair feels right to me.
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I actually took some isolators out from under the back row riser because it was driving me nuts that my youngest kid wouldn't constantly make the whole thing move when she shifts around - which is constantly. I'll put them back eventually.



For the front row I use 6 isolators per chair. 1 under each home theater chair leg and 1 at the back corners because my drivers are behind my chairs since they won't fit underneath. 6 per chair feels right to me.
Funny and I can totally see that! (And I’d have the same problem with my kids)

How many did you have and how many did you decide on for your riser now — to avoid the fidgety daughter tactile movements?

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I actually took some isolators out from under the back row riser because it was driving me nuts that my youngest kid wouldn't constantly make the whole thing move when she shifts around - which is constantly. I'll put them back eventually.



For the front row I use 6 isolators per chair. 1 under each home theater chair leg and 1 at the back corners because my drivers are behind my chairs since they won't fit underneath. 6 per chair feels right to me.


My BOSS has 10 isolators for essentially three Berkline recliner chairs, which are really light. IIRC there are 8 under the chair “legs” and the the two back corners; it is a cantilevered design as well because the drivers would not fit under the chairs.

I posted my drawing and that was Tim’s recommendation.

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Funny and I can totally see that! (And I’d have the same problem with my kids)

How many did you have and how many did you decide on for your riser now — to avoid the fidgety daughter tactile movements?
I only have 6-8 under there now, I had more like 16 before.

I don't think I have enough to do that much, they are pretty smashed. However I still get plenty of low end feel and not when the kid is moving around! We use the front row more often than the back so I'm not as picky with the couch/riser.
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Hi Alex,

Nicki and I would like to attend (if ladies are allowed). I would imagine we would arrive around 2:00 PM and stay until 10:00 PM (or maybe for the movie).

Really looking forward to hearing the new setup!

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Nicki and I would like to attend (if ladies are allowed). I would imagine we would arrive around 2:00 PM and stay until 10:00 PM (or maybe for the movie).

Really looking forward to hearing the new setup!

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That sounds good Scott! Nicki is always welcome as well
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Gtg tomorrow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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3/21 gtg

Should be fun on Saturday!

To all those that have already committed to attending my GTG on 3/21, you are potentially going to be in for a visual treat, in addition to the audio! I have just went ahead and purchased a JVC NX9. For a 2nd time! I can only afford to keep 1 projector though, so I will be trying to sell my RS1000 to clear funds. If I dont have a sale of the RS1000 though, I may end up selling the NX9 for a second time. Hopefully it doesn't come to that, and the RS1000 finds a good home. After seeing what the NX5/RS1000 can do with dynamic tone mapping, I can only imagine what the NX9 will now offer.
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Gtg

Just headed out from Mark's GTG! Had a wonderful time and Mark and Laura were excellent hosts! It was fun to test out the BOSS platform ,and I was very envious of Mark's space. Alexa was a revelation for me and I loved turning lights off and on with it.

Last, but not least, it was awesome to meet PJ, Scott and Doug at the GTG. Very cool group of home theater guys!

It was a great time, and congrats to Mark on hosting a very successful GTG!
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@giomania Mark, thank you for hosting. Everyone loved your room and setup. I know Nick and I really like the envelopment of your full sized rears and surrounds from your second row too. Your large space allows for two rows of truly fantastic audio!

You were an amazing host and the food and drinks were ample and delicious! Always a good time. I am a little jealous of all the space you have to entertain guests. There was a decent amount of people there and it never once felt crowded!


I know a few people wanted my opinion on the new experiences... BOSS and BEQ. Unfortunately because "time" literally gets sucked into a black hole at these events, we didn't get around to testing BEQ. But we did have some time with BOSS.

BOSS seems to be able to go from OBSCENE to feeling very similar to a high end Crowson/Buttkicker setup. We started off on the obscene level but quickly dialed it back a substantial amount. If you are just going for giggles the OBSCENE mode is good for a laugh. But it does not offer the start/stop necessary to feel realistic. In my new favorite test scene (John Wick 3 - Lobby Scene Gun Shootout) you felt the vibrations as just a continuous wobbling vs the individual hard hitting gun shots.

Once dialed back to a Crowson/Buttkicker type level, you could easily feel the individual hard hitting shots. It added a ton of tactile feel to his system even though he has 6 very powerful sub's already.

Now I may not be the target audience for the BOSS extreme modes, but to me, the main selling point of BOSS would be you can get a high performance Crowson/Buttkicker feel on 3-4 chairs for about 1/3 the cost!

After experiencing it, and if I didn't already have D-Box and Crowsons, it would be on my very short list of things to add to my system.

So yes I can recommend it to anyone looking to add a lot of tactile feel to their system without having to pay through the nose.

Mark allowed Nick and I to "hear" how loud just the BOSS platform was by turning off the other speakers/subs. And it really is mostly silent! Some basic mechanical noise and you could hear a little out of the woofers from time to time, but nothing that would interfere with your actual audio even at really low volumes. So for users that want that huge bass feel without having to play the system very loud, this most definitely gets my seal of approval.

I am still amazed how detail oriented Mark is. All one needs to do is click on his BOSS guide above in an earlier post. It's pretty incredible the level of detail and time he puts into each and every one of his guides. He even started a Demo Scene guide and its crazy detailed with individual notes about each demo scene and time stamps etc. Just stellar!

But once again a serious thank you to you and your family for hosting us crazy WI group members and the even more crazy IL facebook members!

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@giomania Mark, thank you for hosting. Everyone loved your room and setup. I know Nick and I really like the envelopment of your full sized rears and surrounds from your second row too. Your large space allows for two rows of truly fantastic audio!

You were an amazing host and the food and drinks were ample and delicious! Always a good time. I am a little jealous of all the space you have to entertain guests. There was a decent amount of people there and it never once felt crowded!


I know a few people wanted my opinion on the new experiences... BOSS and BEQ. Unfortunately because "time" literally gets sucked into a black hole at these events, we didn't get around to testing BEQ. But we did have some time with BOSS.

BOSS seems to be able to go from OBSCENE to feeling very similar to a high end Crowson/Buttkicker setup. We started off on the obscene level but quickly dialed it back a substantial amount. If you are just going for giggles the OBSCENE mode is good for a laugh. But it does not offer the start/stop necessary to feel realistic. In my new favorite test scene (John Wick 3 - Lobby Scene Gun Shootout) you felt the vibrations as just a continuous wobbling vs the individual hard hitting gun shots.

Once dialed back to a Crowson/Buttkicker type level, you could easily feel the individual hard hitting shots. It added a ton of tactile feel to his system even though he has 6 very powerful sub's already.

Now I may not be the target audience for the BOSS extreme modes, but to me, the main selling point of BOSS would be you can get a high performance Crowson/Buttkicker feel on 3-4 chairs for about 1/3 the cost!

After experiencing it, and if I didn't already have D-Box and Crowsons, it would be on my very short list of things to add to my system.

So yes I can recommend it to anyone looking to add a lot of tactile feel to their system without having to pay through the nose.

Mark allowed Nick and I to "hear" how loud just the BOSS platform was by turning off the other speakers/subs. And it really is mostly silent! Some basic mechanical noise and you could hear a little out of the woofers from time to time, but nothing that would interfere with your actual audio even at really low volumes. So for users that want that huge bass feel without having to play the system very loud, this most definitely gets my seal of approval.

I am still amazed how detail oriented Mark is. All one needs to do is click on his BOSS guide above in an earlier post. It's pretty incredible the level of detail and time he puts into each and every one of his guides. He even started a Demo Scene guide and its crazy detailed with individual notes about each demo scene and time stamps etc. Just stellar!

But once again a serious thank you to you and your family for hosting us crazy WI group members and the even more crazy IL facebook members!
Thanks everyone! It was a great time, and special thanks to "management", as without Laura's assistance, the party favors and setup would not have been as good.

A special shout out to @SOWK and @SirMaster for coming early and evaluating my system and making it 1000% better with a few adjustments. Although I have put a lot of work into it calibrating in the last month since obtaining the two JTR 4000 ULF-ST's, and Multi-Sub Optimizer did a good job smoothing out the combined response from the three pairs of subwoofers, they quickly realized it was not hitting hard enough. After some time discussing what I had previously done and some additional measurements with REW to confirm things were working as they should, it turned out that we just increased the gain by 8 dB on each subwoofer pair in the miniDSP to get John Wick 3 lobby shootout scene hitting hard. We did not have much time to demo other material, but when folks started arriving and playing other demos, like Fury, Tony felt the gain was too high, so he wound up decreasing the gain in the AVP by 6 dB (from 0 dB to -6 dB); so in the end, the gain was increased by 2 dB. I cannot stress enough that without their help, I may have only felt that something was not right, and it may have taken me months to figure out the solution. Now I can enjoy the system knowing it is the best it can be.

Also, they scrutinized the BOSS platform, and we ended up dialing that back -21dB (from 0 dB to -9 dB in the miniDSP, and from 0 dB to -12 dB in the AVP) from where it was. I had not experienced it that much, as it was a recent addition, but I knew it was "too much" for my tastes. It is easy to increase the gain in the AVP to put it back in full "Alex mode" for demo purposes. While in hindsight I could have made a platform one driver per seat instead of two, it is nice to know that I have the headroom, and the system can produce the current levels without effort.

Last, below are some photos from the event. I also took the opportunity this morning to take some updated photos of my theater, since it has not been that clutter-free in awhile. Exclusive of the dust, the pile of cables near the rack inside the theater, and the messy behind the rack room, LOL.



























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The hilarious thing is that Tony is still wearing shorts in the freezing cold weather. He did, however, ditch the sandles for shoes this time! Somehow, it didn't occur to me while at the GTG, but this picture doesnt lie.

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The hilarious thing is that Tony is still wearing shorts in the freezing cold weather. He did, however, ditch the sandles for shoes this time! Somehow, it didn't occur to me while at the GTG, but this picture doesnt lie.
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