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Doing some retooling around here and I have an IKEA Kallax shelf available if anyone is interested.

I downsized my setup from 3 to 2, these are perfect for vinyl storage. It has a few holes in the back, because I had my 3 bracketed together for stability.

$25 for this group. You pick up.



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Doing some retooling around here and I have an IKEA Kallax shelf available if anyone is interested.

I downsized my setup from 3 to 2, these are perfect for vinyl storage.
Good call, it looks nice!
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FINALLY found a copy of this Mr. Big album. One of my all-time favorites but hard to find on vinyl. This copy is from Germany.

Also picked up a half-speed master version of ELO’s “Discovery”. Sounds awesome!




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FINALLY found a copy of this Mr. Big album. One of my all-time favorites but hard to find on vinyl. This copy is from Germany.

Also picked up a half-speed master version of ELO’s “Discovery”. Sounds awesome!
Is that ELO part of the CBS half speed series? I’ve seen other albums in the wild from it but haven’t heard them, glad it sounds great!
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Is that ELO part of the CBS half speed series? I’ve seen other albums in the wild from it but haven’t heard them, glad it sounds great!


Yes, it’s in the CBS series. The sound quality difference is similar to the improvement with that Aja pressing you directed me to. Really nice.


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Anyone make it to the Dave Matthews concert last night at Wells Fargo? A 2 hr, 55 min marathon that could have gotten tedious if he didn’t have such good musicians playing with him. Buddy Strong (keyboards) and Tim Reynolds (guitar) were excellent and any time they had a solo or flourish it stood out over everything else that was going on.

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Wilco had an orchestra concert last night, so I missed it.

I'm one of the few who is not a Tim Reynolds fan. I didn't mind when he did the duo shows with Dave, but I miss the original lineup of the DMB.

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I'm one of the few who is not a Tim Reynolds fan. I didn't mind when he did the duo shows with Dave, but I miss the original lineup of the DMB.
Interesting, you are the only person I’ve heard say they don’t enjoy Tim Reynolds. As for originals, I think the bass player and drummer are holdovers from that lineup.
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Interesting, you are the only person I’ve heard say they don’t enjoy Tim Reynolds. As for originals, I think the bass player and drummer are holdovers from that lineup.
Yeah, don't get me wrong. That's still a band full of talent, but having Tim in the band changed the whole vibe.

Dave's guitar playing is so unique already, and before Tim, the soloing was pretty much sax and fiddle, and I loved that. It was much more interesting. Then he added the keyboards full time and then Tim joined, and it lost some of the uniqueness, in my opinion.

In my opinion, the albums they released through Before These Crowded Streets (which, remind me some time to tell you my Dave story about the recording of that album) were as close to perfection as possible. Dave would write beautiful songs, and the band would go into the studio and use their expertise to make them DMB songs.

With the next album, he decided to work with a new producer, Glenn Ballard, a great producer in his own right, he did things like Jagged Little Pill for Alanis. But he did things differently with Dave. He and Dave took the songs and demoed all the parts, and instead of having the band members add their own flair and talents, they were brought in to simply "play the parts" that Glenn had written.

And the Dave Matthews Band was never the same again.
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You can definitely hear a change from those early albums. They were their own sound. Like a mixture of funk, rock and with some New Orleans Jazz thrown in there. The first 2 albums I loved and it's hit or miss from there. We did see him the time before at the Well and really liked the concert. Way better than the show at Principal park.

Our next concert will be Brit Floyd up at Stephen's in July. Closest you'll get to the real thing and relatively cheap to boot.
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The other night I finally had time to crawl up in the attic and bring down the metal platter for the Debut Carbon table and swap it out for the summer. The acrylic platter is great for reducing static, but the metal is much heavier.

Finally have time to put on an album (Sturgill Simpson) and it sounds great! The stereo separation seems better with this than previously.


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The other night I finally had time to crawl up in the attic and bring down the metal platter for the Debut Carbon table and swap it out for the summer. The acrylic platter is great for reducing static, but the metal is much heavier.
Mass baby! I am still surprised at how many things can have an effect on the end sound in regards to turntables. Which is to say everything seems to have an effect.
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Yes, it’s in the CBS series. The sound quality difference is similar to the improvement with that Aja pressing you directed me to. Really nice.
Speaking of that AB Aja pressing, one just posted on Steve Hoffman Forums. The AB pressing is actually the earliest version, not the AA. VG+ play graded.


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The other night I finally had time to crawl up in the attic and bring down the metal platter for the Debut Carbon table and swap it out for the summer. The acrylic platter is great for reducing static, but the metal is much heavier.
Mass baby! I am still surprised at how many things can have an effect on the end sound in regards to turntables. Which is to say everything seems to have an effect.
My Kenwood KD-550 has an aluminum platter. When you would flick it, it would ring like a bell. I placed a large quantity of Dynamat around the bottom side of the platter. The mass and dampening helped a bunch.
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A few more for the collection. If you aren’t familiar with Dr. John, check out Gumbo or In The Right Place...good stuff.
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Even though this thread has "turntable" in the title, I'm excited to share that I just purchased a Border Patrol SE DAC. I've been watching the used market for a year (these don't come up often) and finally found a seller willing to let me haggle the price. I should get it by the end of this week or early next week.

What's interesting about this particular dac is that it uses a cheap, old school nos chip combined with a tube rectified power supply. What does all that mean? Based on feedback I've read and asked numerous owners about, it makes cd's sound more analog-like.

I have 300ish cd's which is enough for me to want to enjoy better performance from them, hopefully this helps.
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Drew what preamp are you using? Curious to hear what it does to CDs.

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drew what preamp are you using? Curious to hear what it does to cds.
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It has a “reference stereo” mode that passes the analog signal directly to the volume control and outputs. In addition there are “direct” and “stereo” modes which convert the analog signal to digital (for bass management / Dirac) and then passes it to the processor. The new dac will obviously be on display for reference stereo mode. I am also curious to see if there’s any difference to be had with direct or stereo modes even though the incoming signal from the new dac will have to be be converted to digital by the xmc.

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It has a “reference stereo” mode that passes the analog signal directly to the volume control and outputs. In addition there are “direct” and “stereo” modes which convert the analog signal to digital (for bass management / Dirac) and then passes it to the processor. The new dac will obviously be on display for reference stereo mode. I am also curious to see if there’s any difference to be had with direct or stereo modes even though the incoming signal from the new dac will have to be be converted to digital by the xmc.
I was curious how many other conversions the signal may or may not have. It does sound like reference stereo passes it to the gain stage which reads like it is analog. The only downside would be no bass management. How much that will impact things depends on how close to full range your inwalls are.

You might be going far enough down the rabbit hole to start thinking about a pure 2ch room with close to full range speakers. Either way really interested to hear your findings on the new DAC. I've been playing with pure direct on the Marantz since the latest patch really changed the music mode for the worse. After going to the Lone Star audio fest, I realize I'm not truly an audiophile. I simply don't have the room or pocketbook to play in that arena.

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I was curious how many other conversions the signal may or may not have. It does sound like reference stereo passes it to the gain stage which reads like it is analog. The only downside would be no bass management. How much that will impact things depends on how close to full range your inwalls are.

You might be going far enough down the rabbit hole to start thinking about a pure 2ch room with close to full range speakers. Either way really interested to hear your findings on the new DAC. I've been playing with pure direct on the Marantz since the latest patch really changed the music mode for the worse. After going to the Lone Star audio fest, I realize I'm not truly an audiophile. I simply don't have the room or pocketbook to play in that arena.

Speaking of nice speakers I really enjoyed the Sonus Fabers AVL is now carrying. You guys should give them a listen. Very warm and laid back.
When I listen critically I don’t have the volume up very high, that’s why I decided on trying the new dac with reference stereo mode. My speakers play nice and clean at those lowish volumes so what the hell, we’ll see. If I don’t like it I am fairly confident the dac will sell quickly.

I’d LOVE to have a dedicated 2 channel space and I would have converted my basement already if I didn’t have a family that reacted with “for just music, why would you want to do that?”
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When I listen critically I don’t have the volume up very high, that’s why I decided on trying the new dac with reference stereo mode. My speakers play nice and clean at those lowish volumes so what the hell, we’ll see. If I don’t like it I am fairly confident the dac will sell quickly.

I’d LOVE to have a dedicated 2 channel space and I would have converted my basement already if I didn’t have a family that reacted with “for just music, why would you want to do that?”
Oh those new Triads sound really nice, I was just thinking that without a sub you may be missing information depending on how low they go. If they get to say 60Hz I doubt you'd notice a lot missing. My CM9's have the crossover set at 60Hz and mixing in the sub is a pretty subtle difference for music.

I was thinking you may have a small room somewhere in the house you could dedicate to it. I wouldn't get rid of your theater setup.

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New dac is in and after my first round of listening in stereo mode (will do reference stereo later), it definitely changes the presentation. Without getting too flowery with the wording, I’d say it makes the sound more “live.” Voices and instruments sound more like they are in the room, albeit not as real sounding as a nicely mastered record, but it was more relaxed and enjoyable than I’ve heard digital in my setup.

I was flipping inputs from the dac input to hdmi, and then back again. My hdmi input is straight from the Oppo into the XMC-1 and it definitely has the bass out in front of the sound stage. It doesn’t sound bad at all but switching back to the dac input integrates the bass more into the music, much more lifelike.
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New dac is in and after my first round of listening in stereo mode (will do reference stereo later), it definitely changes the presentation. Without getting too flowery with the wording, I’d say it makes the sound more “live.” Voices and instruments sound more like they are in the room, albeit not as real sounding as a nicely mastered record, but it was more relaxed and enjoyable than I’ve heard digital in my setup.

I was flipping inputs from the dac input to hdmi, and then back again. My hdmi input is straight from the Oppo into the XMC-1 and it definitely has the bass out in front of the sound stage. It doesn’t sound bad at all but switching back to the dac input integrates the bass more into the music, much more lifelike.
Nice! Next time you do a listening session I'd be interested in hearing it.
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For you music aficionados, this will not be news but I just recently heard Deep Purple - Made In Japan and it's absolutely fantastic! I'm not a big live album guy but this is tremendous and well worth your time to seek out.

It got me thinking of the live albums I have on vinyl, in no particular order:

The Allman Brothers - Fillmore East
Sam Cooke - Live at the Harlem Square Club
Peter Frampton - Frampton Comes Alive
Peter Gabriel - Plays Live
Talking Heads - Stop Making Sense
AC/DC - If You Want Blood You've Got It

These are all easy recommendations if you've never heard them. What live albums do guys have/recommend?

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Wilco’s “Kicking Television” is an incredible 4-album box that is a great performance, a great recording and transfer, and a great primer to get into the band for newbies. It’s also a great expense, I think I paid $100 when it came out.

The CD, however, is much more affordable and also sounds great, though it loses 5 or 6 tracks that the album has.

Seems my favorite live albums rarely come out on vinyl.

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“Lay Down and Love It Live” by Sonia Dada. Just an amazing, 24-track analog recording and mix of a fantastic live band.

“Live at Red Rocks” by Dave Matthews Band. I’ve been eyeing the vinyl release of this but it’s also super expensive.

“Live at Red Rocks” by U2. Nothing more to say here.

“Alive” by KISS. The album that really started it all. The first recordings were scrapped and the band was asked to tame down its stage show to focus more on playing and singing, and it still had to be heavily overdubbed, but there’s not much that can top that feeling of being 6 years old and listening to this album, staring at the album cover and magazine photos, imagining what that live spectacle must have been like. There’s an Instagram account that has been posting tons of old KISS behind the scenes photos from the early, early days, and it’s incredible how small those stages actually were compared to today’s standards, and how massive they seemed at the time. Fun trip down memory lane.


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Yeah, ouch on that Wilco live album as it's starting at $170 on discogs, looks like you can't get it retail any longer. DMB Live at Red Rocks is $57 from Amazon and $70 from others. Looks pretty hit and miss on the pressing based on reviews I've read on multiple sites. Needs a good cleaning and things would probably be fine.

I may check out that DMB, Chris Bellman did the remastering and cutting, he's as good as they get in my opinion.

Kiss - Alive has come up numerous times in threads I've read and the go-to version is the Bogart label with "RL" in the deadwax. I guess the Robert Ludwig cut is head and shoulders better than the rest, according to geeks online anyway.
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Got a couple new titles for my birthday yesterday. This John Mayer is now on my list of favorite live albums. A 4-album set. One album of acoustic, one album of his blues trio, and two of his full band. REALLY well-recorded. He’s a mind-blowingly amazing guitarist.






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Got a couple new titles for my birthday yesterday. This John Mayer is now on my list of favorite live albums. A 4-album set. One album of acoustic, one album of his blues trio, and two of his full band. REALLY well-recorded. He’s a mind-blowingly amazing guitarist.


By the way, happy birthday!

I’ve never given Mayer a proper chance as he got popular when I was in a music cocoon from 2000-2015. For someone new, where would you recommend diving in?

Did you get the Music On Vinyl (MOV) version?

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