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Des Moines area turntable listening session

I will keep this post updated with pics, gear, music lists, misc.

Gear: Thrillcat - Pro-Ject Debut Carbon turntable with Hana EL cartridge, Cambridge 651P phonostage, Def Tech BP20 speakers, Jolida JD202BRC integrated amp, Les Paul (gold top)

Dlbeck - VPI Prime Scout turntable, Soundsmith Zephyr cartridge, Parasound JC3 Jr phonostage, Parasound Halo Integrated amp, Salk HT2-TL speakers, JTR S1 sub in custom Salk cabinet

Draden1 - GEM Dandy Polytable Super 12 turntable, Hana SL cartridge, Parasound JC3+ phonostage, Benchmark AHB2 amp, Emotiva XMC-1 processor, Triad Silver Monitor speakers, SVS PB13 Ultra sub (sealed for music)

Zltful - Kenwood KD550 turntable, ClearAudio Concept MC MkII cartridge, Cambridge 651P phonostage, Silverline Sonatina MkI speakers, Vincent Audio SV236MK Integrated amp/processor, Epik Legend sub

Zltful (2) - Cambridge DVD89 CD player, Usher V-601 speakers, AMC CVT-2030 amp w/JJ EL34 matched quad tubes, Jolida JD50A

Techtvman - Oppo 203, Marantz SR7011 receiver, B&W 600 Series speakers, Rythmik FV15 sub

Theblackangus - JVC AL-F353 turntable, Oppo 203, JTR Noesis 215RT speakers, Onkyo TX-NR3007 receiver, D-Sonic M3-5400 amp

Music Lists w/post#: Thrillcat-37, Draden1-46, Dlbeck-84.

Pics w/post#: Draden1-224, Dlbeck-226, Zltful-231, Thrillcat-346/510, theblackangus-408

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Count me in, and as I posted on the other thread,

I could also bring my preamp and we could still swap pretty easily (or as you say, connect multiple at a time).

I was also thinking perhaps I would bring my laptop with Logic Pro and my USB DAC and we could hook it up to an output of your XMC-1 and record the same song from each turntable and compare the resulting files...

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Count me in, and as I posted on the other thread,

I could also bring my preamp and we could still swap pretty easily (or as you say, connect multiple at a time).

I was also thinking perhaps I would bring my laptop with Logic Pro and my USB DAC and we could hook it up to an output of your XMC-1 and record the same song from each turntable and compare the resulting files...
If you bring your preamp that would be great as we could have my table, your table, and dlbeck’s table plugged in at the same time. We would be a preamp short if theblackangus brings his table as it does not have a built in one like dlbeck’s, and I am pretty sure he does not have a standalone one.

As for the files, if you guys want to do that, that’s fine. I wouldn’t know what the hell we’d be looking at though?
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If you bring your preamp that would be great as we could have my table, your table, and dlbeck’s table plugged in at the same time. We would be a preamp short if theblackangus brings his table as it does not have a built in one like dlbeck’s, and I am pretty sure he does not have a standalone one.



As for the files, if you guys want to do that, that’s fine. I wouldn’t know what the hell we’d be looking at though?


I’m sure I can find a spectrum analysis plugin so we can compare bass response, balance, etc.


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I’m sure I can find a spectrum analysis plugin so we can compare bass response, balance, etc.


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I like the file comparison idea!
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Hmmm...my Kenwood KD550 has been itching to get some play time with the new ClearAudio cartridge...

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Hmmm...my Kenwood KD550 has been itching to get some play time with the new ClearAudio cartridge...
That'd be great, I'd say between yours and @theblackangus we only use one as space is very limited, you guys discuss how you want to figure that out.

Do you know what the exact model your cartridge is?
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I'm going to update the first post with the gear so please respond.

@thrillcat - Could you please post model names for your turntable, cartridge, and phono preamp?

@dlbeck - I know your table and it has its own preamp, I'm assuming it has the stock cartridge? If it's green that's the AT95e.

@theblackangus / @ZLTFUL - After deciding who's bringing one, please post the table, cartridge, and phono preamp. Actually, the preamp would be
optional as thrillcat said other tables could use his.

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I'm going to update the first post with the gear so please respond.

@thrillcat - Could you please post model names for your turntable, cartridge, and phone preamp?

@dlbeck - I know your table and it has its own preamp, I'm assuming it has the stock cartridge? If it's green that's the AT95e.

@theblackangus / @ZLTFUL - After deciding who's bringing one, please post the table, cartridge, and phono preamp. Actually, the preamp would be
optional as thrillcat said other tables could use his.
Ill skip and let ZLTFUL bring his. Mine is likely the oldest by far.
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Ill skip and let ZLTFUL bring his. Mine is likely the oldest by far.
That settles that, thank you good sir. @ZLTFUL , you're on man!
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@thrillcat - Could you please post model names for your turntable, cartridge, and phone preamp?

@dlbeck - I know your table and it has its own preamp, I'm assuming it has the stock cartridge? If it's green that's the AT95e.

@theblackangus / @ZLTFUL - After deciding who's bringing one, please post the table, cartridge, and phono preamp. Actually, the preamp would be
optional as thrillcat said other tables could use his.
I upgraded my cartridge...will have to check and let you know.
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First post is updated, we could still technically do a blind test if people don't look at what table is running. I may be able to hook everything up around the corner so the main room can't see what's happening. We'll have to see once we get everything down there.

Looking forward to it!
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If we are going to do blind... I think it would also be interesting to throw in digital copies of the same recordings with the turntables and see if we collectively have a preference?
Also like Thrillcats idea of recording the outputs.
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If we are going to do blind... I think it would also be interesting to throw in digital copies of the same recordings with the turntables and see if we collectively have a preference?
Also like Thrillcats idea of recording the outputs.
So listen to the same song on each table and then a digital copy as well? That could be interesting but get ready to be sick of certain songs after hearing them 5 times in a row, lol.

- If we try to do that they should be short songs ~3 minutes.
- I'd prefer the digital versions to be on cd, far faster/easier to drop in a disc than connecting someone's phone to my network.
- I'll work on coming up with a list of 5 songs (maybe 4) that we could listen to.

If we plan on taking 3-4 hours for this we could compare 5 songs, talk about everything, and then take song requests/hang out for a while. I'm assuming if people are willing to bring their tables to my place that 3-4 hours is reasonable?

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Cool, are you planning on bringing your preamp? It's no problem if you do, just let me know.
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So listen to the same song on each table and then a digital copy as well? That could be interesting but get ready to be sick of certain songs after hearing them 5 times in a row, lol.

- If we try to do that they should be short songs ~3 minutes.
- I'd prefer the digital versions to be on cd, far faster/easier to drop in a disc than connecting someone's phone to my network.
- I'll work on coming up with a list of 5 songs (maybe 4) that we could listen to.

If we plan on taking 3-4 hours for this we could compare 5 songs, talk about everything, and then take song requests/hang out for a while. I'm assuming if people are willing to bring their tables to my place that 3-4 hours is reasonable?
Yeah I would prefer CD or make the vinyl list and then rip to FLAC and play from your NAS or something.
Mix up the song play order for each song so the are not all played on the same device each time.

For music I propose:
- Something acoustic
- Something vocal
- Something rock
- Something jazz
- Something with some piano
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As for recording, I was thinking more along the lines of choosing one song that is a good "tester" and play it on each table, recording the output of each, and ripping the CD version as well, and then dumping the 4 files into some sort of frequency spectrum analysis tool to examine differences. I wasn't thinking of listening to the digital version as well...

Regardless, though, I'd only suggest doing this on one, maybe two, songs. I'm also not opposed to doing this test on portions of songs, either. Say a minute of Aja and a minute of Even Flow or something...

I'm more interested in listening to some good tunes via different tables, not so much constant repetition for hours.

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As for recording, I was thinking more along the lines of choosing one song that is a good "tester" and play it on each table, recording the output of each, and ripping the CD version as well, and then dumping the 4 files into some sort of frequency spectrum analysis tool to examine differences. I wasn't thinking of listening to the digital version as well...

Regardless, though, I'd only suggest doing this on one, maybe two, songs. I'm also not opposed to doing this test on portions of songs, either. Say a minute of Aja and a minute of Even Flow or something...

I'm more interested in listening to some good tunes via different tables, not so much constant repetition for hours.
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I have Spanish Harlem performed by Rebecca Pidgeon on vinyl along with hirez digital. With the smooth vocals and the underlying bass progression I think this should be one of the tracks.
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As for recording, I was thinking more along the lines of choosing one song that is a good "tester" and play it on each table, recording the output of each, and ripping the CD version as well, and then dumping the 4 files into some sort of frequency spectrum analysis tool to examine differences. I wasn't thinking of listening to the digital version as well...

Regardless, though, I'd only suggest doing this on one, maybe two, songs. I'm also not opposed to doing this test on portions of songs, either. Say a minute of Aja and a minute of Even Flow or something...

I'm more interested in listening to some good tunes via different tables, not so much constant repetition for hours.
I'm good for whatever, I also don't want to spend over an hour on the comparing part =)

Yeah doing a few of partials would be good. Don't need 3-5 minutes of each song.

I would like to do a comparison of digital vs vinyl on the same song tho to see if there is much, if any, difference.
Definitely not taking time to do the full spectrum analysis on each song, but a single song from each player would be pretty interesting.

Point above, I would like to get a wide range of instruments in the comparison music we choose and not just rock.
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I have Spanish Harlem performed by Rebecca Pidgeon on vinyl along with hirez digital. With the smooth vocals and the underlying bass progression I think this should be one of the tracks.
I have that track in the hires format also, the mastering on that is fantastic! Would love to hear it on vinyl, curious what album/pressing it is?
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I have Spanish Harlem performed by Rebecca Pidgeon on vinyl along with hirez digital. With the smooth vocals and the underlying bass progression I think this should be one of the tracks.
That sounds like a good track to add.
Just listened to it and yeah - great vocals and nice bass.
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Ok, with how quick this was put together and me basically talking out loud through these posts, this is the deal.

First hour or so we could do some comparisons to get our nerdom satisfied. After that the request lines will be open, we will have 4 tables so they should make for a great time!

From here until the event let’s talk music, pressings (they do matter), turntables, carts, preamps, amps, etc.
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