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post #7531 of 7568 Old 09-19-2019, 01:23 PM
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Does the NX7 support DV? I can’t see it mentioned anywhere on the JVC website.


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Does the NX7 support DV? I can’t see it mentioned anywhere on the JVC website.


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No, but it doesn't need to and here's why.

Dolby Vision (DV) and HDR 10+ differ from HDR10 by constantly sending metadata to the display device based on the frame/scene. This allows the display to read the metadata and adjust the tone mapping in real time. This is a big step forward from HDR 10 which simply sends static metadata based on the entire film to tone map from.

JVC will introduce firmware at the end of October/early November for the NX/RSxxxx that introduces frame by frame tone mapping, they call it DTM (dynamic tone mapping). Meaning the projector inspects the individual frame and tone maps according to that individual frame's needs. This is actually better in a lot of ways in that it doesn't require any special encoding format (DV, HDR 10+) and works with any HDR source streamed or otherwise. It also still works with material like Disney UHD discs that lack any sort of metadata at all. This is because it's not relying on metadata, just the actual picture data of the frame itself.

About the only thing DV has to offer at this point is the potential for slightly higher color depth. Dolby has no plans to support projectors at this point and with this firmware update, I certainly don't care if they ever do.

Check out this video at around 6 minutes to see the beta of this firmware in action in Berlin using Aquaman:


You can easily see DTM adjusting the picture to exact capabilities of the projector to get the best image it can.

TLDR: DV is a proprietary encoding method that uses a data stream to tell a display how to properly display a given frame. JVC DTM inspects the actual frame data and adjusts the picture according to the frames needs
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perfekte belichtung!

I wish that video was in English lol

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I wish that video was in English lol
Me too, but luckily a Dynamic Tone Mapped image speaks a thousand words

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No, but it doesn't need to and here's why.



Dolby Vision (DV) and HDR 10+ differ from HDR10 by constantly sending metadata to the display device based on the frame/scene. This allows the display to read the metadata and adjust the tone mapping in real time. This is a big step forward from HDR 10 which simply sends static metadata based on the entire film to tone map from.



JVC will introduce firmware at the end of October/early November for the NX/RSxxxx that introduces frame by frame tone mapping, they call it DTM (dynamic tone mapping). Meaning the projector inspects the individual frame and tone maps according to that individual frame's needs. This is actually better in a lot of ways in that it doesn't require any special encoding format (DV, HDR 10+) and works with any HDR source streamed or otherwise. It also still works with material like Disney UHD discs that lack any sort of metadata at all. This is because it's not relying on metadata, just the actual picture data of the frame itself.



About the only thing DV has to offer at this point is the potential for slightly higher color depth. Dolby has no plans to support projectors at this point and with this firmware update, I certainly don't care if they ever do.



Check out this video at around 6 minutes to see the beta of this firmware in action in Berlin using Aquaman:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeFm...ature=youtu.be



You can easily see DTM adjusting the picture to exact capabilities of the projector to get the best image it can.



TLDR: DV is a proprietary encoding method that uses a data stream to tell a display how to properly display a given frame. JVC DTM inspects the actual frame data and adjusts the picture according to the frames needs


Thanks for the info. Eventually I’ll get s screen and a projector.


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I know I said it an email, but congrats again! That's a big upgrade in every way and I'm sure it looks great. Definitely going to make it over to check it out soon.

Well technically wouldn't you want 1.37:1 for Academy films? Or are you going 4:3 (1.33:1) to get Weezy Jefferson as big as you can? I mean hey I know you like what you like. No judging here

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Just got back last weekend from an amazing trip to Ireland. Nothing much Home Theater related to post, except those darn Irishmen are trying to show up @dlbeck . But I will still venture to guess his theater is better. The Savoy Dublin
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But who has the better beer and whisky???
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But who has the better beer and whisky???
Ireland certainly has very good examples of both. We sampled several of the local brews and liked each one. We did the Jameson tour and really enjoyed it. However I'm still partial to a good bourbon. Definitely recommend the trip if you ever get the chance. We did the IPTV tour (who uses Star tours) and they did an excellent job.

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Just wanted to chime in. JVC has released the Frame by Frame dynamic tonemapping update. It's the real deal and finally delivers what I would call plug and play HDR to the projector world. I posted a bit more on the owners thread if anyone's curious.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/24-di...l#post58668340

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But who has the better beer and whisky???
That classification goes to me. It isn't even a fair comparison since Ireland only has Irish beers and whiskeys while I have fine examples of both from all over the world!
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That classification goes to me. It isn't even a fair comparison since Ireland only has Irish beers and whiskeys while I have fine examples of both from all over the world!
Now if only you had a finished bar and theater area to enjoy them in.

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Just got back last weekend from an amazing trip to Ireland. Nothing much Home Theater related to post, except those darn Irishmen are trying to show up @dlbeck . But I will still venture to guess his theater is better. The Savoy Dublin
I should go check it out and see if it's better....would love to go to Ireland!
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Ain't nobody need no finished bar for the drinkin' o the spirits!

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So I know there are a few of us that are on the 4K UHD fence and don't want to break the bank on a projector. These look promising:

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/68-di...evealed-8.html

Sounds like a nice step up from the 4K XPR DLPs and their poor contrast performance.

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So I know there are a few of us that are on the 4K UHD fence and don't want to break the bank on a projector. These look promising:



https://www.avsforum.com/forum/68-di...evealed-8.html



Sounds like a nice step up from the 4K XPR DLPs and their poor contrast performance.






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Heh I was hoping something like this may drag Drew into the 4K era.
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Heh I was hoping something like this may drag Drew into the 4K era.
Lol, nope, in due time though. I am pretty removed from knowing what the current crop of JVC/Epson/Sony projectors can do. Is 4K/hdr plug and play yet or is everyone still fidgeting with settings in both the player and projector?

I’m chugging along with my 1080p Epson, it’s serviceable and looks nice....enough. I will say I loved the PQ of the 4K 2001 at @thrillcat house.
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Lol, nope, in due time though. I am pretty removed from knowing what the current crop of JVC/Epson/Sony projectors can do. Is 4K/hdr plug and play yet or is everyone still fidgeting with settings in both the player and projector?

I’m chugging along with my 1080p Epson, it’s serviceable and looks nice....enough. I will say I loved the PQ of the 4K 2001 at @thrillcat house.
With the latest firmware on the JVC NX lineup I would say 4K HDR is now plug and play. I've watched Ready Player One, Blade Runner, Guardians 1, The Shining, Avengers IW/EG, Hot Fuzz and Spider-Man FFH with the new frame adapt setting. Never have to fiddle with anything and the picture has never looked this good. It's the best 4K I've seen from a projector.

The only problem is that even the NX5 b-stock is just over $3k. Not sure where your pain threshold is

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With the latest firmware on the JVC NX lineup I would say 4K HDR is now plug and play. I've watched Ready Player One, Blade Runner, Guardians 1, The Shining, Avengers IW/EG, Hot Fuzz and Spider-Man FFH with the new frame adapt setting. Never have to fiddle with anything and the picture has never looked this good. It's the best 4K I've seen from a projector.

The only problem is that even the NX5 b-stock is just over $3k. Not sure where your pain threshold is
Yeah, I’ll let another generation (or 2) go with projectors before I’m going to seriously consider anything. In the meantime it’s more music/stereo stuff.
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Yeah, I’ll let another generation (or 2) go with projectors before I’m going to seriously consider anything. In the meantime it’s more music/stereo stuff.

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You're gonna get 4-8 years out of that Epson? I'd at least look at something used before then. Not that the music side of things isn't great, but you're missing out on the movie side.

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You're gonna get 4-8 years out of that Epson? I'd at least look at something used before then. Not that the music side of things isn't great, but you're missing out on the movie side.
I don’t feel I’m missing out as I never find myself wanting more from the PQ. I definitely care about PQ up to a certain point, with painting the ceiling, hanging black velvet above and to the side of the screen, and also getting it calibrated. Once a movie starts, my Epson still does a good enough job allowing me to get lost in whatever I’m watching.
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You're gonna get 4-8 years out of that Epson? I'd at least look at something used before then. Not that the music side of things isn't great, but you're missing out on the movie side.

Lets put some parameters around this.


The trigger for him getting a new projector should be when both of the following is true:
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I don’t feel I’m missing out as I never find myself wanting more from the PQ. I definitely care about PQ up to a certain point, with painting the ceiling, hanging black velvet above and to the side of the screen, and also getting it calibrated. Once a movie starts, my Epson still does a good enough job allowing me to get lost in whatever I’m watching.
Nothing wrong with liking what ya have. But 4K is certainly an improvement. For 2K the Epson still does a fine job.

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2. Zltful gets is theater room done and gets everyone over to see it.
WHOA WHOA WHOA! He said a couple projector generations not 15-20 years

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If anyone is interested, I have a mint-condition XMC-1 available, with the V3 HDMI board upgrade. Still under warranty so you could use it to upgrade to any of the new units on their trade-in program.

Also includes the rack ears, which will also fit the XMC-2 if you were to go that route.


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WHOA WHOA WHOA! He said a couple projector generations not 15-20 years

I was subtly siding with draden, as I kept my last project for 10 years.


And I have way more faith in ZTLFUL than you...=P
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