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Ray,

It should be here by mid next week at the lastest. Then I would be happy to post pictures for you. I have a custom cabinet for it.
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Here ya go Ray, the Cheshire Cat is a visual impedance balancing mechanism for the OTA antenna.

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WOW that is real nice, what stand is that?
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Homefurnituremart.com has a pretty cool stand, PTV72B and the PTV72. The "B", which comes in black, model is a hundred bucks more. Check it out.
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The house we just bought had an entertainment area set up in the basement by the previous owners. The area designated for the TV can hold an 80" set, I would imagine.

I just put the 7178 down there, it looks great. Gotta have to hand it to Magnolia/Best Buy. I purchased a 6168 back in February and immediately was not happy with the game lag, audio lag, etc. and they agreed to replace it when the 6188s came out. After a couple months trying to get a 6188, they told me on Tuesday that they could not get that model as it was an exclusive deal with Tweeter to carry that model in my area (whether or not that's true, I have no idea).

So instead, they offered me to swap it out with a 7178 "assuming it had all the features I wanted". I went home and was quite happy when I looked up the PDF manual on samsung.com and saw that the 6188 and 7188 shared specifications. w00t! 12 hours later, they swapped out the units and I'm pretty darn happy! After tweaking the user-configurable settings with Eliab's recommendations, it looks fantastic.
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Oh - and here's a picture of the setup as it looked with the old 6168 (ignore the furniture, we're replacing it soon enough ... :

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I'm in the same boat as so of you are. My living room almost requires me to get a set that's at least 70". What I'm wondering is what made you guys choose the Samsung over the other +70" sets? I know the 70" XBR2 is still unknown at this point but what about the other sets from Mits (73927) or the Toshiba (72MX196)?

Well, today is the day I'm supposed to get my 7178W...

As for comparisons vs. other ~70" units, here's why I chose the Samsung...

1. Full 1080p input via HDMI (no such thing on current Toshiba models, Mits only does it on the 73927 via VGA)

2. Price - Sony's announced MSRP for the 70" XBR2 is over $3K more than what the going rate for the 7178W is.

3. I like what I've seen so far of the Samsung HLS6178/HLS6188 sets after tweaking the settings.

4. It's available now. The new Sony, Mits and Toshiba models are not -- I've already gone 6 months with my bedroom TV in the family room and I'm done waiting.

Upcoming Mits 73" models are just re-hashed versions of the current offerings. They still use the same 8.5Krpm 3-color light engine and only offer 1080p input and a few cosmetic changes. Also for a much higher price tag. MSRP on the Mits 73827 (2005 model) is $7995 and the upcoming 73831 shares the same basic cabinet design and $7499 MSRP.

The Toshiba models are far superior to the Mits 73" sets (IMO), and are priced in line with the Samsung. But the new models don't support 1080p input (Toshiba didn't feel it was necessary since they omitted 1080p output from their first generation HD-DVD players). A few months ago, when Toshiba was still claiming their HD-DVD players will have 1080p output (since all HD-DVD titles are currently encoded in 1080p24), most assumed their new TVs would have a matching input and I was planning to buy the 72" Toshiba. Alas, that did not happen.... Actually, like the Mitsubishi, the updated xx197 model Toshibas have not started shipping yet either. Honestly, I was going to buy the 73827 Mits, but when I learned that they (and all the other same-generation 1080p displays) didn't accept 1080p input, I decided to wait.

For fully 1080p-capable 70"+ projection sets, Samsung owns the market right now. The only other 70"+HDTV I'm aware of that can do this is the Mits WD8213 LCOS TV, which is an '03/'04 model that has been discontiued. It's a first-generation LCOS with 1920x1080 native LCD and a DVI input that accepts the full 1080p60 signal. Unfortunately, they're extremely expensive (over $10K if you can still find one), huge 82" diagonal screen, floor-standing unit, nearly 30" deep. I did an install with one of these 2 years ago - pretty cool at the time, but compared to current SXRD and DiLA LCOS displays, the picture pretty much sucks.

So that concludes today's novella... I'm going to go back to twiddling my thumbs waiting for the FedEx Freight truck.
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I'm thinking mine might have a focus issue right out of the box ... things are a bit blurrier than I remember them from my 6168.

I saw a write up posted for adjusting the ring, but I'm not sure if that's something I want to tackle or wait for a pro to do it ...

Does Best Buy do that sort of thing if you get the 4-year plan?
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Well, today is the day I'm supposed to get my 7178W...

As for comparisons vs. other ~70" units, here's why I chose the Samsung...

1. Full 1080p input via HDMI (no such thing on current Toshiba models, Mits only does it on the 73927 via VGA)

2. Price - Sony's announced MSRP for the 70" XBR2 is over $3K more than what the going rate for the 7178W is.

3. I like what I've seen so far of the Samsung HLS6178/HLS6188 sets after tweaking the settings.

4. It's available now. The new Sony, Mits and Toshiba models are not -- I've already gone 6 months with my bedroom TV in the family room and I'm done waiting.

Upcoming Mits 73" models are just re-hashed versions of the current offerings. They still use the same 8.5Krpm 3-color light engine and only offer 1080p input and a few cosmetic changes. Also for a much higher price tag. MSRP on the Mits 73827 (2005 model) is $7995 and the upcoming 73831 shares the same basic cabinet design and $7499 MSRP.

The Toshiba models are far superior to the Mits 73" sets (IMO), and are priced in line with the Samsung. But the new models don't support 1080p input (Toshiba didn't feel it was necessary since they omitted 1080p output from their first generation HD-DVD players). A few months ago, when Toshiba was still claiming their HD-DVD players will have 1080p output (since all HD-DVD titles are currently encoded in 1080p24), most assumed their new TVs would have a matching input and I was planning to buy the 72" Toshiba. Alas, that did not happen.... Actually, like the Mitsubishi, the updated xx197 model Toshibas have not started shipping yet either. Honestly, I was going to buy the 73827 Mits, but when I learned that they (and all the other same-generation 1080p displays) didn't accept 1080p input, I decided to wait.

For fully 1080p-capable 70"+ projection sets, Samsung owns the market right now. The only other 70"+HDTV I'm aware of that can do this is the Mits WD8213 LCOS TV, which is an '03/'04 model that has been discontiued. It's a first-generation LCOS with 1920x1080 native LCD and a DVI input that accepts the full 1080p60 signal. Unfortunately, they're extremely expensive (over $10K if you can still find one), huge 82" diagonal screen, floor-standing unit, nearly 30" deep. I did an install with one of these 2 years ago - pretty cool at the time, but compared to current SXRD and DiLA LCOS displays, the picture pretty much sucks.

So that concludes today's novella... I'm going to go back to twiddling my thumbs waiting for the FedEx Freight truck.

I know you're going to give a complete and comprehensive review once it arrives, right?

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Thank you, guys for posting pictures. I too am tired of the wait. I'm glad that Samsung put out the 71". Now I don't have to wait for Sony, and pay so much more. I could use that money instead to upgrade my main L/R speakers. Which I don't really need to, but what the hey. Looking forward to coming back home from vacation and finally be able to purchase my set. I'll keep you all informed.
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Has anyone gone into the 7178s Service Menu to make the overscan/1:1 mapping adjustment? I think I may try it tonight, I'll let you know how it turns out ...
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In anticipation..........

I've prepared the cables
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In anticipation..........

I've prepared the cables

Yikes! What are you hooking up?

Although, mine probably looks even worse than that inside my cabinet this TV is going to sit on. I just have a single HDMI going to the TV as all my stuff gets switched through a DVI/HDMI switcher and my Denon 4306 receiver that upconverts everything to HDMI.

Anyway, the freight truck still has not showed up and they only have 12 minutes left on their "delivery window". Hopefully all is well....
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Isn't the wait cruel?
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When I posts the pictures, you will understand........

Once the TV is in place I do not want to move it so I'm connecting all connections just incase they are needed.

Right now I think I need :

RG6 - Cable
RG6 - OTA
HDMI - Oppo DVD
DVI in - Oppo DVD
Component 1 - DTV
Component 2 - Xbox
rs232c - In case adjustments
PC - XPS laptop
TOS - Stereo (will this send signal if watching DVI?)

Does anyone know how PIP works? Is it dual tunner so I can watch 2 cable shows through the one connection? Can I also watch cable and DTV through component?
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I too am interested in the new Samsungs. Do you think that a 5 segment color wheel is enough? There are 7 segment color wheels out there, but I don't think they run at 14,400 RPM.
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MeanGene - The HL-S7178W has the best picture I have seen from any TV and David Abrams hasn't calibrated it yet, all with the new five segment color wheel.
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Applied Visual,

Isn't the wait cruel?

Oh, the agony!

Actually, no sooner than I clicked the submit button for my last post, the FedEx truck pulled up. Unfortunately, I had something else come up this afternoon so the delivery guy and I just set the TV in the garage. I haven't unpacked it yet, but will do so shortly (as soon as my help arrives and I have assistance to set the TV in place). It doesn't seem all that heavy, I picked up one end of the skid it's on and rotated it already, but the wife didn't think she wanted any part of moving / unpacking / placing it.

Anyway, I'll post a review sometime this weekend, when I have time again and after I have spent a little time getting it set up and tweaked.
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Does anyone know how PIP works? Is it dual tunner so I can watch 2 cable shows through the one connection? Can I also watch cable and DTV through component?

The PIP is supposed to be dual-tuner, but it's unclear as to exactly what that means. I'm hoping that it can do PIP with any two sources, but some "dual-tuner" TVs can't or are restricted in some way. I personally won't be using the PIP feature much as I very rarely do so and usually just through my Dish ViP622 and it's internal PIP.

I'm only running the single HDMI to it for now as that's all I've been using with the 42" plasma that this set is replacing. If I need to add more, I can access the back of the TV fairly easily, so I'm not too concerned. I may connect a second HDMI, component cable and possibly some others just for grins since I've got the cables...

Anyway, now I wait patiently for my brother to arrive and help me get this thing set up.
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I've had my set for a week now and it's been absolutely amazing. I've played a ton of Xbox360 on it and haven't had any problems with gaming lag from what I've seen (using game mode). The HD channels have been pretty amazing too. I've caught myself watching large chunks of Catwoman recently just because it looks so great. I freakin hate the movie, but damn sometimes you catch yourself just looking at how great the picture is.
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Where are you guys purchasing your sets? Any online buyers?
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I've had my set for a week now and it's been absolutely amazing. I've played a ton of Xbox360 on it and haven't had any problems with gaming lag from what I've seen (using game mode). The HD channels have been pretty amazing too. I've caught myself watching large chunks of Catwoman recently just because it looks so great. I freakin hate the movie, but damn sometimes you catch yourself just looking at how great the picture is.


Catwoman or bugs and rocks on PBS. Same difference.
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WOW that is real nice, what stand is that?

yes, please let us know which one that is... finding the stand is just as hard as finding the right tv
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Does the HL-S7178 have anything in its user level menu that adjust the "Iris"??
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Where are you guys purchasing your sets? Any online buyers?

Mine came from Magnolia (Best Buy) as a swap for my old HL-R6168.
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I bought mine from an online dealer. Their name is censored here but I believe you may be able to figure it out by reading this thread.
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Since I cant go amywhere close by to look at one of the 71 inch set. Is 11 ft going to be too close. I have a 64 inc CRT rear proj now and it seems I could get a a little bigger set?
I do not want to order one thru the internet and end up being too close to the set where I see all of the imperfections.
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Does anyone know how PIP works? Is it dual tunner so I can watch 2 cable shows through the one connection? Can I also watch cable and DTV through component?

Ok, to answer my own question, I called Samsung.

They told me you can watch two cable channels at one time through PIP. It will also work with component. Though, not HDMI.....
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BMELVIN - I certainly hope it's not. I was under the impression we sit about 12' from our set. I just measured, it's 9'. The 12' dimension that was in my head is to the speakers.
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Any more pics/screenshots of the Sammy? Not to complain but that girl from the makeover story pic is starting to creep me out
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