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post #1 of 40 Old 01-17-2008, 11:14 PM - Thread Starter
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So I first came here looking for ideas on which new TV to buy. After I had done much research, I came up with the following list. I thought I'd post it here in case anyone else was in my position and was looking for a great CRT with progressive support and what not. To me, there'd be no point in buying a CRT if it didn't have PS. Feel free to add to this list as I have only picked out Sony and some JVC TVs.


Sony 27" TVs progressive support.

WEGA KV-27FS12 - no
WEGA KV-27FS13 - no
WEGA KV-27FS16 - no
WEGA KV-27FS17 - no
WEGA KV-27FS100 - no
WEGA KV-27FS120 - no
WEGA KD-27FS170 - no
WEGA KV-27FS200 - no
WEGA KV-27FS210 - no
WEGA KV-27FS320 - no

WEGA KV-27FV15 - no
WEGA KV-27FV16 - no
WEGA KV-27FV17 - no
WEGA KV-27FV300 - no
WEGA KV-27FV310 - no

WEGA KV-27HS420 - YES, 480p, 1080i and 720p

------------- SONY 29" TVs

WEGA KV-AR29M66 - no
WEGA KV-DR29M69 - no
WEGA KV-SW29M50 - no
WEGA KV-XJ29M50 - no
WEGA KV-XG29M61 - no

WEGA KV-29FX30 - no
WEGA KV-29FX66 - no

WEGA KV-29LS35 - no

-------------SONY 30" TVs

WEGA KV-30HS420 - YES, 480p, 1080i and 720p

-------------SONY 32" TVs

KV-32FS10 - no
KV-32FS100 - no
KD-32FS170 - no
KV-32FS200 - no
KV-32FS210 - no
KV-32FS13 - no
KV-32FS17 - no

Sony KV-32FX20U - no

WEGA KV-32HS20 - YES, 480p, 1080i
WEGA KV-32HS420 - YES, 480p, 1080i and 720p
WEGA KV-32HS500 - YES, 480p, 1080i and 720p
WEGA KV-32HS510 - YES, 480p, 1080i and 720p

WEGA KV-32HV600 - YES, 480p, 1080i and 720p

WEGA KV-32XBR100 - ???
WEGA KV-32XBR400 - YES, 480p, 1080i
WEGA KV-32XBR450 - YES, 480p, 1080i
WEGA KD-32XS945 - YES, 480p, 1080i and 720p

WEGA KV-32FV15 - no
WEGA KV-32FV16 - no
WEGA KV-32FV26 - no
WEGA KV-32FV300 - no
WEGA KV-32FV310 - no

Sony KV-32TW68 - ? Anyone own one of these?


-------------SONY 36" TVs

KV-36FS10 - no
KV-36FS12 - no
KV-36FS16 - no
KV-36FS210 - no
KV-36FS100 - no
KV-36FS200 - no

KV-36HS20 - YES, 480p, 1080i
KV-36HS420 - YES, 480p, 1080i and 720p
KV-36HS500 - YES, 480p, 1080i and 720p


KV-36FV15 - no
KV-36FV16 - no
KV-36FV26 - no
KV-36FV300 - no
KV-36FV310 - no

KV-36XBR400 - YES
KV-36XBR450 - YES

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JVC TV WITH PROGRESSIVE SUPPORT

-------------JVC 27"

JVC AV-27S776 - YES, 480p, 1080i and 720p

-------------JVC 32"

JVC AV-32D302 - no

JVC AV-32F577 - YES, 480p, 1080i and 720p

JVC AV-32S585S - YES, 480p, 1080i and 720p

JVC AV-32S766 - YES, 480p, 1080i and 720p
JVC AV-32S776 - YES, 480p, 1080i and 720p

--------------JVC 36"
JVC AV-32D104 - no
JVC AV-32D304 - no

JVC AV-36D104 - no
JVC AV-36D304 - no
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Don't forget these fantastic Sony TVs.

KV-36XBR800 (I own one)
KD-36XS955 (only 36" with Super Fine Pitch)
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You should be aware that very few CRT TVs can display 720p natively. They may accept a 720p input, but the actual display is something else.
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The HD CRTs on this list...Don't they still have to deinterlace 480i content?
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Whoa..."new" TVs? Most of those on the list were cancelled years ago.
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I didn't mean new in that sense. I meant new to me.
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The HD CRTs on this list...Don't they still have to deinterlace 480i content?

CRTs display 480i natively - most newer Sonys have DRC - Digital Reality Creation that will further enhance/clean-up - using a analog 480i broadcast to make it "appear" digital in quality.

The DRC has 3 settings. The interlaced mode will take the interlaced signal from DVD, sat box, cable/antenna and apply the DRC circuitry to make it appear "near" HD quality. CineMotion has the 3/2 pull down circuitry for use on upscaled DVD or HD DVD/BD.
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If you can find one of these babies do it. It's still one of the very best standard reference sets there is (plasma, or anything). It upconverts to 1080i, but it is the king of the tube XBR's. Besides with a 34" screen you can't tell the difference between 1080i or 1080p.

It's interesting that I was reading in a review of the Yamaha 1800 in the Dec 2007 Sound & Vision, the reviewer Michael Trei is still using this set as his standard reference.
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CRTs display 480i natively - most newer Sonys have DRC - Digital Reality Creation that will further enhance/clean-up - using a analog 480i broadcast to make it "appear" digital in quality......

The Sony XBR/XS/HS/HV CRTs have a native display resolution of 1080i. Everything, except 1080i, is upconverted for display. Depending on the input resolution, the upconversion is performed by the DRC and/or MID processors.
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The DRC has 3 settings. The interlaced mode will take the interlaced signal from DVD, sat box, cable/antenna and apply the DRC circuitry to make it appear "near" HD quality. CineMotion has the 3/2 pull down circuitry for use on upscaled DVD or HD DVD/BD.

DRC is only available for, and applied to, 480i inputs.

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The Sony XBR/XS/HS/HV CRTs have a native display resolution of 1080i. Everything, except 1080i, is upconverted for display. Depending on the input resolution, the upconversion is performed by the DRC and/or MID processors.DRC is only available for, and applied to, 480i inputs.

I was just saying that any CRT will display 480i w/o deinterlacing...

I know the sets you say have a 1080i res... but if you input a 480i signal... the set stills displays it at 480i? "Everything, except 1080i, is upconverted for display" You say that the 480i signal will be upconverted to 1080i?

I wasn't aware that CineMotion was only applied to 480i signals... so when viewing with my HD DVD or BD thru HDMI... none of the DRC circuitry will be supplied... they will be bypassed?

Thanks...
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.....I know the sets you say have a 1080i res... but if you input a 480i signal... the set stills displays it at 480i? "Everything, except 1080i, is upconverted for display" You say that the 480i signal will be upconverted to 1080i?....

Yes, it is upconverted to, and displayed at, 1080i.
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....I wasn't aware that CineMotion was only applied to 480i signals... so when viewing with my HD DVD or BD thru HDMI... none of the DRC circuitry will be supplied... they will be bypassed?...

When any input resolution, other than 480i, is being viewed, DRC is not selectable. It is grayed out in the menu.

BTW, we're talking about the Sonys

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Whoa..."new" TVs? Most of those on the list were cancelled years ago.

if your real lucky you can find on Epay or CL a KD-36XS955 built in 2005 and mabe the orig owner bought the extended warranty (not sure if you could transfer it over...but..) that would be the best of all worlds in my book.
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The Sony XBR/XS/HS/HV CRTs have a native display resolution of 1080i. Everything, except 1080i, is upconverted for display. Depending on the input resolution, the upconversion is performed by the DRC and/or MID processors.DRC is only available for, and applied to, 480i inputs.

Are you sure? I thought they could do 480p natively.
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The Sony XBR/XS/HS/HV CRTs have a native display resolution of 1080i. Everything, except 1080i, is upconverted for display. Depending on the input resolution, the upconversion is performed by the DRC and/or MID processors.DRC is only available for, and applied to, 480i inputs.

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Are you sure? I thought they could do 480p natively.

No. I am not absolutely, but quite sure, that the set doesn't do 480p. It MAY do 540p, which is not much different. I have Sony documentation specific to the DA-4 chassis that states that it operates at a fixed horizontal scan rate of 33.75KHz. This scan rate is equivalent to 1080i/540p. There has been considerable speculation as to whether the DA-4s actually scan at 540p. Many owners have reported that visual evidence of progressive scanning is apparent to them. However, no validation with actual test measurements have been made. One of these days, I will put a scope to the deflection circuits and determine the answer to this issue.

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It's tough to be totally certain about stuff like this because Sony, like most manufacturers, doesn't publish certain technical details in owners manuals if they believe it to be mundane technical minutiae that the public won't care about.
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Don't forget these fantastic Sony TVs.

KV-36XBR800 (I own one)
KD-36XS955 (only 36" with Super Fine Pitch)

How is that 36" set by comparison to the 34" super fine pitch sets without the mask on it (960N for example that doesn't have that layer/coating the regular 960 has on it)?
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Yes, it is upconverted to, and displayed at, 1080i.When any input resolution, other than 480i, is being viewed, DRC is not selectable. It is grayed out in the menu.

BTW, we're talking about the Sonys

Thanks... I own the 30XS955... I love the set... only wish they had the 34XS when I bought it for 1/2-price... After several hours in the service menu... these SFP sets really can shine. I understand now... when it shows 480i, 720p, 1080i on the menu display... that is the input signal and the TV displays them at its native res.

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Whoa..."new" TVs? Most of those on the list were cancelled years ago.

I just purchased my 30XS955 in December as a floor model for 1/2-off... it came with the full factory warranty. Check around at local-owned/mom & pop shops like local-owned Sears, etc... In my hometown, I used to have a tire-shop that was a TV/appliance distributor also... because they would finance them easily. I got mine at HandyTV - a Alabama or maybe Florida based appliance company.

Craigslist is def the place to find these sets... I found a 36XS on Craigslist, but he wants $800 for it... if I didnt have the Xmas blues from having a 15 y/o to buy for... I would snap it up. Most of these used Sony's will be very well cared for... because the owners paid full retail for them, and they get set in one place and stay there until they move... then they decide they do not want to move the monster to their new dwelling.

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I found a 36XS on Craigslist, but he wants $800 for it... if I didnt have the Xmas blues from having a 15 y/o to buy for... I would snap it up. Most of these used Sony's will be very well cared for... because the owners paid full retail for them, and they get set in one place and stay there until they move... then they decide they do not want to move the monster to their new dwelling.

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$800 to $1000 is all the 36XS sold for new! the guy WILL lower his price. I see sellers on CL with high prices all the time. guess what they don't sell.

even the 40XBR700 the best XBR ever built is not worth $800.

for $900 you can get a NEW 42" LCD mabe even a 47" for $1000 if you look around. In a year or two with the falling prices people will have to give those big heavy TVs away.
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even the 40XBR700 the best XBR ever built is not worth $800.

I think you meant 40xbr800. Even if you meant 40xbr800, I still would disagree though. With the exception of screen size, xbr 960 is all around better set IMO(higher resolution, build in ATSC tuner, cable card, independent memory per input, i.link, hdmi, 16:9 aspect ratio). I would say xbr910 and xs955(36 or 34 inches) are also better sets than 40xbr800. Lastly, I would even argue that xbr 970 is better than 40xbr800 as well(same resolution but it has 16:9 aspect ratio, build in ATSC tuner, independent memory per input, HDMI).

Do not get me wrong. I think that 40xbr800 belongs to CRT's hall of fame along with xbr960 and 38 inch Loewe Aconda sets due to the fact that it is the largest consumer HD Crt ever build, but it definitely not the best Sony CRT imo.
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I think you meant 40xbr800. Even if you meant 40xbr800,

the 800s had a big problem with corner discolorations depending on who you talk to as high as 75% returns. Sony fixed the problem tho not 100% with the 40XBR700 that use less watts only 245 compared to my 36XBR800 that eats 280.

I still would disagree though. With the exception of screen size,


yes I was only basing my judgment on screen size as I would take the 40" any day over a 34" or 36" Super Fine Pitch tube.



xbr 960 is all around better set IMO(higher resolution, build in ATSC tuner, cable card, independent memory per input, i.link, hdmi, 16:9 aspect ratio). I would say xbr910 and xs955(36 or 34 inches) are also better sets than 40xbr800. Lastly, I would even argue that xbr 970 is better than 40xbr800 as well(same resolution but it has 16:9 aspect ratio, build in ATSC tuner, independent memory per input, HDMI).


no doubt they are better except for SD screen size. What is the screen size of SD on a 34xbr970 or 36xs955 = 29" or less? that would be like going back to the days of my good ole Sony 27", no thanks.



Do not get me wrong. I think that 40xbr800 belongs to CRT's hall of fame


well I'd vote for the 40XBR700 for the fixed conner problems.
unless you know a retired electrical engineer who works for cheep I would not touch a 40XBR800 but then again you can get a good one that never had the corner problems or had it fixed with the Sony magnets kit.


along with xbr960 and 38 inch Loewe Aconda sets due to the fact that it is the largest consumer HD Crt ever build, but it definitely not the best Sony CRT imo.


yes you would need two best of groups best SD CRT and best HD CRT.
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the 800s had a big problem with corner discolorations depending on who you talk to as high as 75% returns. Sony fixed the problem tho not 100% with the 40XBR700 that use less watts only 245 compared to my 36XBR800 that eats 280.

Xbr800 series came out after xbr700 series. The xbr700s have had green blob issues also. Xbr700 does not have DVI or HDMI which is a big issue now days considering all these upscaling, HD-DVD and Blue ray players on the market. There is no DRC in xbr700 series either, so even for SD the xbr800s are a better sets. There are also some other image enhancements for HD sources that xbr700 series lack in comparison to xbr800 series like HD detailer and improved VSM.

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no doubt they are better except for SD screen size. What is the screen size of SD on a 34xbr970 or 36xs955 = 29" or less? that would be like going back to the days of my good ole Sony 27", no thanks.

36xs955 has 36 inch screen size for SD. It is a full screen set. As far as 34 inch wide screen models concerned, I do not watch much SD channels now days anyway. I use my Sonys mostly for xbox360, DVDs, and hd channels with occasional SD channel mixed in between. I really do not see much point buying HDTV especially this size to primary watch SD channels. SD channels were never meant to be viewed on 40 inch screen in the first place. This is the reason I am not the fan of 4:3 HDTVs also. When I watch SD channels, I just use wide zoom which takes care of the problem. SD channels' PQ are crap anyway, so I really do not care much if it get distorted a little with wide zoom.

In the nutshell, theoretically, if one buys the TV strictly for SD channels, then 40xbr800 is the best set to get imo. Practically, people buy HDTVs for DVDs or HD, so buying 16:9 set with higher resolution SFP tube makes much more sense. Feature wise, as mentioned in my earlier post, later sets (xbr960/970 and xs955) are also clearly better than xbr800/700 series.
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Xbr800 series came out after xbr700 series. The xbr700s have had green blob issues also. Xbr700 does not have DVI or HDMI which is a big issue now days considering all these upscaling, HD-DVD and Blue ray players on the market. There is no DRC in xbr700 series either, so even for SD the xbr800s are a better sets. There are also some other image enhancements for HD sources that xbr700 series lack in comparison to xbr800 series like HD detailer and improved VSM.



36xs955 has 36 inch screen size for SD. It is a full screen set. As far as 34 inch wide screen models concerned, I do not watch much SD channels now days anyway. I use my Sonys mostly for xbox360, DVDs, and hd channels with occasional SD channel mixed in between. I really do not see much point buying HDTV especially this size to primary watch SD channels. SD channels were never meant to be viewed on 40 inch screen in the first place. This is the reason I am not the fan of 4:3 HDTVs also. When I watch SD channels, I just use wide zoom which takes care of the problem. SD channels' PQ are crap anyway, so I really do not care much if it get distorted a little with wide zoom.

In the nutshell, theoretically, if one buys the TV strictly for SD channels, then 40xbr800 is the best set to get imo. Practically, people buy HDTVs for DVDs or HD, so buying 16:9 set with higher resolution SFP tube makes much more sense. Feature wise, as mentioned in my earlier post, later sets (xbr960/970 and xs955) are also clearly better than xbr800/700 series.

You make a lot of good points and I agree w/most of them, but I think you giving the SPF Tubes a bit too much street cred. Don't get me wrong, the SPF Tubes are better on paper than the 800 series, and they were the last major advancement in CRT video tech. But I well remeber when the SPF's first hit the stores, and many people on this Forum (including me) went down to their local AV Big Box for a up-close & personal comparison between the SPF Tubes & the XBR800's. Most everyone came back w/the agreement that yes, there was a difference, but it was minimal, and at a viewing distance beyond several feet you could not tell a smidgeon of PQ difference between the two.
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I agree with the point... I would not want a 40" set to watch SD content - I can barely stand watching most Charter SD content in 4:3 on my 30XS - let alone at 40". I do have to give kudos on the Sony sets that have good DRC circuitry, it makes a huge difference on some digital SD channels on my Charter cable. Unless the 40" set had great DRC, I think I would go bonkers watching SD in a average size viewing room.

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I agree with the point... I would not want a 40" set to watch SD content - I can barely stand watching most Charter SD content in 4:3 on my 30XS - let alone at 40". I do have to give kudos on the Sony sets that have good DRC circuitry, it makes a huge difference on some digital SD channels on my Charter cable. Unless the 40" set had great DRC, I think I would go bonkers watching SD in a average size viewing room.

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This is totally dependent on where you live and your cable company. In my case, Brighthouse Cable is quite good, and SD on my 40XBR is about as good as SD gets, which is near DVD quality. That goes for digital & analog SD both. Combine a very good video source signal w/the Sony XBR's superior Tube and video processing = excellent PQ.

My main complaint is "size". You think 40" is too large, but my gripe is that it is waaaay too small for the more Home Theater effect that I prefer. Somewhere between a 60"-70" display & viewing from a 10' distance would be about right, and this is what I will upgrade to next time I buy a TV.
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My Charter isn't horrible... mainly the channels that are still analog... can't rem exactly where they have to start their digital tier... channel 44 or so. After I tweaked around in my service menu with the settings... most are like you say, standard DVD quality. My only gripe is our limited HD channels... I am spoiled on HD with the SFP tube. We only have about a dozen channels with our HD package, incl ntl channels - so I try to watch them as much as possible. My next move will be the large satellite dish with a good HD package. I have 1.5 ac, so I had rather have that than the mini-satellite's.

60"... gonna do a projector I would guess? I have about 7.5' - would love a 36XS set if I can find one.
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Well, if I were to buy brand new today, I'd be bringing home a Pioneer Elite 60" Kuro PDP. BUT...at 2008 CES in Las Vegas a few weeks ago, Pioneer demoed a 50"er prototype of their upcoming new Kuro PDP's w/9mm thickness, 10 lumen tech, gazillion contrast ratio, and greatly reduced weight & power consumption. Pretty much what the SED was "supposed" to be like but never made it. Pioneer will have these out in 2009. Check it out.
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You make a lot of good points and I agree w/most of them, but I think you giving the SPF Tubes a bit too much street cred. Don't get me wrong, the SPF Tubes are better on paper than the 800 series, and they were the last major advancement in CRT video tech. But I well remeber when the SPF's first hit the stores, and many people on this Forum (including me) went down to their local AV Big Box for a up-close & personal comparison between the SPF Tubes & the XBR800's. Most everyone came back w/the agreement that yes, there was a difference, but it was minimal, and at a viewing distance beyond several feet you could not tell a smidgeon of PQ difference between the two.

I did not want to get into whole SFP vs Hi Scan tube debate because I felt that this topic has been discussed many times before on this forum. However, you are right. The SFP tube was the major factor for me when I compared the sets in my earlier posts, so I guess that I should explain why I believe that SPF is better than Hi Scan tube.

About 14 mounths ago, I bought Xbr970, and about 10 mounth ago I was able to buy xbr960. Naturally, after reading so many varied opinions on SPF vs Hi Scan tube topic, I spent good deal of time comparing the two sets in store and even more so at home.

I think that xbr970 and xbr960 are the best models for comparison also since they are both 34 inch wide screen sets that came out last and very close to each other. Therefore, they have essentially the same guts with the exceptions of SFP tube and extra bells and whistles of xbr960. Right now, I have xbr960 in my bedroom and xbr970 in my living room. Both sets are turned on and watched every day.

In my opinion, SFP tube has one major advantage over Hi Scan that is usually rarely being mentioned when discussing the difference between the tubes. Due to the finer grill in SFP, I can sit a lot closer to the screen than I can with Hi Scan tube. From my experience, I start to notice the aperture grill at around 6 feet on xbr970 and at around 3 feet on xbr960. I sit at around 4 feet when I watch xbr960, which helps to offset relatively small screen size(by the today standards) of the 34 inch tube and appreciate the HD even more. Obviously, It also makes watching xbr960 more immersing than xbr970. To me, the immersion factor is that differentiates HD from SD. Increased resolution, 16:9 aspect ratio, and bigger screens are only the means to achieve it. As the result, from 4 feet to just below 6 feet range, the SFP tube wins hands down. Hi Scan tube's lager aperture grill is just too distracting for me to enjoy watching the xbr970 at the distance below 6 feet.

When I compare the tubes at around 6 feet, the difference is more subtle. When I first got xbr960, I kept looking at small details(stuff like skin, fabric, surface texture, and hair) because I thought that these things will mainly show off the difference in the resolution between the two tubes. I had hard time noticing the difference between the sets. Text was clearly more defined on SFP tube, but it was the only thing that I could say with certainty. However, I immediately noticed the difference between two sets when I stopped looking at small details and focused on the overall picture. SFP is sharper overall even at 6 feet. Hi Scan tube looks like it is slightly out of focus in comparison to SFP tube. The xbr960's image also has a bit more depth to it. It is more subtle difference, but it is still pretty obvious to me.

In short, below 6 feet SFP is clearly superior imo. From 6 feet, the difference becomes more subtle(mainly increase in clarity and depth), but some people will still find it important enough to buy SFP over Hi Scan tube. It worth stressing that Hi Scan still gives a great picture(it is also brighter too), but SFP tube just looks more impressive to me because it allows me to sit closer to the screen and gives an image even more clarity and depth than Hi Scan tube.
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In short, below 6 feet SFP is clearly superior imo. From 6 feet, the difference becomes more subtle(mainly increase in clarity and depth), but some people will still find it important enough to buy SFP over Hi Scan tube. It worth stressing that Hi Scan still gives a great picture(it is also brighter too), but SFP tube just looks more impressive to me because it allows me to sit closer to the screen and gives an image even more clarity and depth than Hi Scan tube.

well if were talking about living rooms then....
the key word here is the Hi Scan tube is BRIGHTER.
unless you live in a very small apartment or single room (SRO)
you are going to be at least 8 feet or more
from the screen and in that case a Hi Scan tube is the way to go.

I can see if were talking about a bedroom and mostly night viewing in the dark
or low lights then yes yes the SFP tube is the best.
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well if were talking about living rooms then....
the key word here is the Hi Scan tube is BRIGHTER.

To put things into perspective, yes, Hi Scan tube is brighter, but SFP is bright enough. I calibrated xbr960 with DVE and my current settings for xbr960 are brightness: 26 out of 62, picture: 30 out of 62, mode: pro, and color temperature warm. The only time that I feel its picture is too dark is when I play xbox360, so I always rise brightness through the in game menus two or three notches. I have had the same brightness problem with xbox360 games when I used xbr970 also. My xbr970 was also calibrated with DVE. In the bright sunlight room, my xbr960 will look a little dim in comparison to xbr 970, but that is that curtains are for. If you have high quality display, then, it makes sense to control your lighting environment anyway.

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unless you live in a very small apartment or single room (SRO)
you are going to be at least 8 feet or more
from the screen and in that case a Hi Scan tube is the way to go.

I am not sure that I understand that you mean. It is usually possible to rearrange the living room to decrease the distance. For instance, many people put the coach in the middle of the room to watch the TV. In my case, I have a comfortable chair, which I often move depending the viewing source(4 feet for HD and xbos360, around 6 feet for DVD etc).

Regardless, if it is not possible to decrease the distance then, it would make more sense to buy larger screen HDTV like plasma. In my opinion, 34 inch or even 40 inch sets are too small to watch from 8 feet and above. Surely, going form 27 SD set to 34 or 40 inch HD set will seem like a major upgrade even from 8 feet, but it is hard to get impressed with these tubes from 8 feet and above after seeing 60 inch plasmas. Even if they offer arguably better PQ, the screen is just too small at this distance.

This was my main point in my previous post. With SFP tube, I can offset tube technology natural screen size limitation by sitting much closer to the screen. Increased clarity of SFP tube, of course, is also easier to appreciate at this distance. With the Hi Scan, even at 6 feet, which the minimum distance that I can watch the xbr970 from, 34 inch screen size seems smaller then I would like after seeing 60 inch plasmas.

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I can see if were talking about a bedroom and mostly night viewing in the dark
or low lights then yes yes the SFP tube is the best.

Yes, I view all tubes as better alternative to LCDs for bedroom sets or future bedroom sets now days(cheaper, better at displaying different formats, and better PQ than most LCDs in case of higher end CRTs). Sure, many people, including me, still use them for living rooms today, but I believe, it is only temporarily until other technologies improve and come down in price.
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