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Apparently the H5360BD won't handle signal from 3D cable or sat boxes - BluRay ONLY (in contrary with Optoma 3D-XL which accepts all available 3D sources)

I own H5360 and the picture is significantly better (sharper, crispier, more vivid) when I feed it with 1080p instead of 720p (despite the downscaling)
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Apparently the H5360BD won't handle signal from 3D cable or sat boxes - BluRay ONLY (in contrary with Optoma 3D-XL which accepts all available 3D sources)

I own H5360 and the picture is significantly better (sharper, crispier, more vivid) when I feed it with 1080p instead of 720p (despite the downscaling)

You sure it's Blu-ray only? What about content from say a Roku box or something?
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Apparently the H5360BD won't handle signal from 3D cable or sat boxes - BluRay ONLY (in contrary with Optoma 3D-XL which accepts all available 3D sources)

Where did you hear this? ..Most if not all HDMI 1.4 displays have the option to manually select either Side By Side or Top & Bottom (aka: over and under) 3D broadcast formats.
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I'm thinking of getting one of these and a new Panasonic 3D BD player with 2D>3D conversion and keeping my present H5360 with my PC and Nvidia Vision system. I'll just buy some DLP link glasses. This is so much cheaper than than the 1080p solution. Bad news is we don't get much to complain about like ghosting. If you want ghosting you'll just have to ante up and spend $4,000 for a 1080p 3D projector, or better yet how about $10,000!

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You will need to keep your H5360 for Nvidia glasses.

http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=195567
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Hey Guys,

A few questions here just to make sure I buy the right things. I am thinking of trying 3D when this projector comes out. I already have a PS3 so I assume the only other items I will need to buy is an emitter and glasses. Do you just get the active shutter kind? Do you have to buy the DLP Link glasses/emitter? Any recommendations?

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Surprising they didn't improve contrast or lumen levels on this model, just added 1.4 support, which is great in itself but no other improvements is a bit strange
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Hey Guys,

A few questions here just to make sure I buy the right things. I am thinking of trying 3D when this projector comes out. I already have a PS3 so I assume the only other items I will need to buy is an emitter and glasses. Do you just get the active shutter kind? Do you have to buy the DLP Link glasses/emitter? Any recommendations?

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I think the DLP link glasses are the only ones that will work if you hook this projector up to a 3D BD player. If you use a computer with the applicable video card and software then you can use the Nvidia Vision shutter glasses with the emitter or DLP link glasses.
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I think the DLP link glasses are the only ones that will work if you hook this projector up to a 3D BD player. If you use a computer with the applicable video card and software then you can use the Nvidia Vision shutter glasses with the emitter or DLP link glasses.
Ok, I do plan on just using the PS3 to play 3D blurays and I might try some 3D games with the PS3 so using that I should get the DLP link emitter and DLP Link glasses?

They should made 3D more standardized as there are too many variables it appears.


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According to andrewf on Nvidia forums the H5360BD only works with DLP link glasses.

"No. This project will only work with 3DTV Play, and will not work with 3D Vision glasses. Its an HDMI 1.4 projector that has a DLP link signal to connect to DLP link glasses."

http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=195567

Guess we will have to wait till someone gets one to find out.
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According to andrewf on Nvidia forums the H5360BD only works with DLP link glasses.

"No. This project will only work with 3DTV Play, and will not work with 3D Vision glasses. Its an HDMI 1.4 projector that has a DLP link signal to connect to DLP link glasses."

http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=195567

Guess we will have to wait till someone gets one to find out.

I'm hoping for around March 31. Since the projector has the same specs as previous projector it would seem for it to do 120Hz with the HDMI 1.4 input is a circuit board changed out.

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Ok, done some more reading and when using the DLP Link glasses you don't need an emitter, all you need is the DLP Link glasses and they should work fine with this projector. The glasses sense the light and supposedly sync up automatically.......hmmmm...sounds too good to be true.

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Ok, done some more reading and when using the DLP Link glasses you don't need an emitter, all you need is the DLP Link glasses and they should work fine with this projector. The glasses sense the light and supposedly sync up automatically.......hmmmm...sounds too good to be true.

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I've been following this thread in anticipation of getting this projector if the reviews are good. If what you are saying is true, I wouldn't need to buy the Vision package if I wanted to watch 3d movies or game from my pc? I picked up an nVidia card yesterday and anticipated buying both the dlp glasses as well as the nVidia glasses as well. It would be FANTASTIC to buy the latter.
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I've been following this thread in anticipation of getting this projector if the reviews are good. If what you are saying is true, I wouldn't need to buy the Vision package if I wanted to watch 3d movies or game from my pc? I picked up an nVidia card yesterday and anticipated buying both the dlp glasses as well as the nVidia glasses as well. It would be FANTASTIC to buy the latter.

I am unsure regarding using a PC and what glasses will work. A few posts earlier Bob quoted a guy from nvidia who stated this projector wouldn't work with the Vision glasses so it may be that it will work fine with DLP Link glasses and your pc but I am just speculating. I plan on purchasing DLP Link glasses and this projector to work with my PS3.

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I am unsure regarding using a PC and what glasses will work. A few posts earlier Bob quoted a guy from nvidia who stated this projector wouldn't work with the Vision glasses so it may be that it will work fine with DLP Link glasses and your pc but I am just speculating. I plan on purchasing DLP Link glasses and this projector to work with my PS3.

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Thanks Mike, I'll be primarily using this projector with a ps3 as well but I thought I'd give the pc a chance if I didn't have to buy a new set of glasses.
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Yep. This projector will work just fine on PS3/3D bluray players and PC providing you have a compatible nVidia graphics card and running the 3DTV play software which is useful to me. I've already got a H5360 and nVidia emitter/glasses set up and it will be good for me to sell the emitter/glasses and projector to offset the cost of upgrading to the H5360BD.

BTW. DLP link works because the projector sends out a brief light pulse (so short that you cannot see it) and the glasses sees it and uses it to sync to the framerate.

Of great interest to me is the inclusion of Colorboost 3D technology. The H5360 uses a 6 segment colour wheel (RGBCYW) but switches off the CYW sections in 120Hz 3D mode and only uses the RGB section. This had a huge impact on brightness and contrast which roughly halves using this mode.
I'm hoping that Colorboost 3D means that it uses the full colour wheel in 3D mode. If true, it's going to look quite special.
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Ok, done some more reading and when using the DLP Link glasses you don't need an emitter, all you need is the DLP Link glasses and they should work fine with this projector. The glasses sense the light and supposedly sync up automatically.......hmmmm...sounds too good to be true.

Mike

This is common knowledge, most certainly not 'too good to be true', it's just the way DLP Link works. I have DLP Link, no emitter needed, just DLP Link glasses.
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Of great interest to me is the inclusion of Colorboost 3D technology. The H5360 uses a 6 segment colour wheel (RGBCYW) but switches off the CYW sections in 120Hz 3D mode and only uses the RGB section. This had a huge impact on brightness and contrast which roughly halves using this mode.
I'm hoping that Colorboost 3D means that it uses the full colour wheel in 3D mode. If true, it's going to look quite special.
That would be great if it did give the picture a bit of punch
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Hope the folks that get this PJ enjoy it as much as the non-BD version, H5360, that I have. About 700 Hrs on it now (mostly gaming) plus the cable box hooked up thru component.
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About 700 Hrs on it now (mostly gaming) plus the cable box hooked up thru component.

You are watching cable in 2D through component--right?
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You are watching cable in 2D through component--right?

Yes, when not gaming. Say there is a show coming on I'd like to watch I will take a break when the show comes on since the PJ is already running but I don't use the PJ for TV viewing normally. Before I had cable the HD Homerun network tuner would provide a convenient signal during gaming breaks. Compared to the hours spent gaming in 3d there is almost nothing else in 3D to watch. I never was into spectator sports, except Nascar and there was only 1 Nascar race in 3D last year.
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Since Nvidia 3D Vision isn't supported on this, I guess the only solution for multi-projector 3D gaming with this particular projector might be with AMD HD3D although I can't find any info on whether AMD Eyefinity even works in 3D.

Main reason I would want this projector over the H5360 or the Optoma GT700 is the compatibility with 3D Blue-Ray via the PS3.
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So hooking up a PS3 to say a Denon 2809 receiver then running the HDMI out from the receiver to the projector wouldn't give me a 3D picture would it? As the Denon 2809 isn't 1.4..or have I got that really wrong?

I don't want to hook the PS3 straight to the projector as I miss out on the HD audio...
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So hooking up a PS3 to say a Denon 2809 receiver then running the HDMI out from the receiver to the projector wouldn't give me a 3D picture would it? As the Denon 2809 isn't 1.4..or have I got that really wrong?

I don't want to hook the PS3 straight to the projector as I miss out on the HD audio...

I got hdmi from the ps3 connected to my projector and then an optical from the ps3 to my receiver ( Sony HT-DDWG800) , works great.
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These are the pixel counts for various TV sources:

480p = 338,000 pixels / frame
720p = 922,000 pixels / frame
1080i = 1,037,000 pixels / field
1080p = 2,074,000 pixels / frame

Per frame, 1080i = 1080p.
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I got hdmi from the ps3 connected to my projector and then an optical from the ps3 to my receiver ( Sony HT-DDWG800) , works great.

He wants to get HD Audio

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kopkiwi -- You have it right! If the Denon 2809 is only HDMI 1.3, then it won't pass 3D video. If you want to get both 3D video and the HD (lossless) audio, you need to upgrade to a new AVR with HDMI 1.4a, which is, (should' be) 3D capable.

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kopkiwi -- You have it right! If the Denon 2809 is only HDMI 1.3, then it won't pass 3D video. If you want to get both 3D video and the HD (lossless) audio, you need to upgrade to a new AVR with HDMI 1.4a, which is, (should' be) 3D capable.

The wife will kill me.

Looks like just 3D gaming with a optical for a while. Or buy a 3D player with dual HDMI. Which would be cheaper than upgrading the receiver.
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