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post #11941 of 12127 Old 02-15-2017, 06:03 PM
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That was a typo. I just fixed it. Should read: "There is no world which currently exists where I wouldn't just go here and drop the $245."
Ah, thanks for clarifying. That $245 is a scary number, and seems disproportionate to the total cost of the projector. With an older W1070 whose fan bearings rattle in a pretty pronounced way, that might almost be sufficient impetus for an upgrade. Fingers crossed the current bulb hangs in there for a while yet!

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Yeah, with that price for the bulb you could almost justify just replacing the entire projector each time instead of the bulb, lol! You can pick up a 1070 for around 500.00 now. If there's any drop in lumens with my cheap bulb, I certainly can't see it. If it's dimmer, it's not enough to worry me.

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The high price of projector replacement lamps is one of the reasons why some are attracted to Epson and their lower cost lamps for many models. It's also what drives some to LED models even though LED has so far not been able to match UHP lamp brightness.
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So with a 245.00 bulb, and if we use 4000 hours of use as an example the cost per hour comes to roughly 16 hours of use per dollar. I actually had less than that on my original bulb around 3600 and I used eco, I know some have posted longer times, just didn't happen for me.

So right now I'm at approx 1550 hours and I paid 43.00 about 8 months ago (that same bulb is 54.00 now) so I'm at roughly 36 hours of use per dollar so far. I would need at least 700 hours based on 4k hours use to break even. I bought a replacement bulb when I ordered my projector back in 2015 and this was before I really did any research on genuine vs generic and I paid around 165.00 for it and I wished I had just waited, but too late now. I used it for about a month and then pulled it for the Maxi cheap replacement to see if it would work. I wrote the hours on it and stuck it back in the box. I don't know if that bulb was genuine or not, I think it had the Osram logo or whatever it was, I forget. But I never noticed any difference in quality or brightness, granted I have this in basement with walls painted black and usually don't have much ambient lighting but I didn't before either. Only difference is I paid 122.00 more for the first bulb and it may actually be a knock-off too.

Yes, it's a low-cost projector, I could see paying more for the bulbs if it were a $10k or a $5k PJ, but it's not. It wouldn't surprise me if the 245.00 bulb you're ordering is indeed a knock off too, they're all made in China.

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You can get a counterfeit lamp at any price, though most counterfeits are sold at unrealistically low prices. Most are made in China and counterfeit products are rampant in China which has poor consumer protection laws. There are counterfeit Rolex watches and Coach purses that have Rolex and Coach logos on them. Just because a lamp has Osram stamped on it doesn't mean it's the real thing.

The best way to be assured of getting the real thing is to order it directly from the projector manufacturer or from a trusted vendor with a strong reputation for only dealing in genuine OEM replacements. The reason that there are so many different companies selling a specialized product like projector replacement lamps is because they can make a quick buck selling to uneducated consumers.
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Greetings, have enjoyed my BenQ W 1070 since around day one, my question is this I have a oldie DVD PLAYER the Toshiba SE-R0237 - HDDVD player in which Sony squash, so as a experiment and curious ,mostly curious attached it to my BenQ with a new HDMI cable the Toshiba player started playing but no movie at all was shown had the right HDMI connection, so was wondering if anyone else has tried this besides me.
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You can get a counterfeit lamp at any price, though most counterfeits are sold at unrealistically low prices. Most are made in China and counterfeit products are rampant in China which has poor consumer protection laws. There are counterfeit Rolex watches and Coach purses that have Rolex and Coach logos on them. Just because a lamp has Osram stamped on it doesn't mean it's the real thing.

The best way to be assured of getting the real thing is to order it directly from the projector manufacturer or from a trusted vendor with a strong reputation for only dealing in genuine OEM replacements. The reason that there are so many different companies selling a specialized product like projector replacement lamps is because they can make a quick buck selling to uneducated consumers.
I thought Benq no longer sold the bulbs on their website. Finding a trusted vender these days would be near impossible, many legitimate websites sell the knock-offs too giving the customer the choice. I buy the cheaper bulbs simply because they're cheaper. So far I haven't noticed any difference in quality which says something about the exuberant markup prices for these bulbs that manufacturers want their customers to buy. It's very much like ink for printers, they don't make much on the sale of printers but they do on the ink.

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BenQ is still selling genuine OEM replacement lamps for the W1070:

benqdirect.com/replacement-lamp-for-w1070-w1080st.html

If you think you can get the same quality much cheaper, go for it. The cheaper they are the bigger the gamble. Some have had good luck and some have had disasters. Millions of people gamble in various lottos and casinos every day. It's only money.
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Greetings, have enjoyed my BenQ W 1070 since around day one, my question is this I have a oldie DVD PLAYER the Toshiba SE-R0237 - HDDVD player in which Sony squash, so as a experiment and curious ,mostly curious attached it to my BenQ with a new HDMI cable the Toshiba player started playing but no movie at all was shown had the right HDMI connection, so was wondering if anyone else has tried this besides me.
For some of the old dvd players, you had to go into the setup and turn on the hdmi port.
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I think if the projector was a $3k projector or more I wouldn't take a chance on a knockoff. Not worth the risk when you have that much invested in the projector which a non-genuine bulb would void your warranty at least for as long as that warranty was good. A cheap projector like the 1070, it doesn't bother me. It can be replaced for $500 anyway. Since they have a 30 day return and 180 day warranty on the bulb that would get you past a defunct bulb, most likely they would go bad in the first 250 hours of use as some have reported. I was thinking about picking up another 1070 just for backup and keep it in the box.

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My experience with the 1070 in a few lines:

Great projector, nice colours, bright and very good video quality, no tearing or other issues.

Few things to note, I do sometimes get the rainbow effect, only slightly noticeable, not a big issue at all.

The projector is a tad bright, i've not adjusted the settings at all but the original colour config is fine and I dont know where to start with adjusting it. We generally use it on a white wall, and the blacks aren't very deep at all.

However we got a 150" grey projector screen and the colours look brilliant, so much better than on a white wall, the blacks are now deep and overall picture quality is so much better.
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For some of the old dvd players, you had to go into the setup and turn on the hdmi port.

Thanks fort the heads up, will give it a try.

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Please post pictures of how you installed the filter and where did you get it from thanks.
Little update. I've found the perfect spot to slide this filter in / out without touching the colour wheel (which is fragile + heat and vibrations will break up this filter easily).



The ideal spot for this DIY filter is between the exit of the collimating rod and the relay lens at the entrance of the optical cavity.

Yes, I had to literally take apart the entire projector to get to it. And I first had to cut a new mirror and test that (it works, phew) so I don't have the WCG filter installed right now, but I will soon. It'll be removable with a screw from the bottom of the case. The good news is is that my projector's image is perfect now, I cleaned everything including all the internal lenses and mirrors and DMD, and the lamp is actually good and bright! So scratch what I wrote before.

If I don't buy a new projector this year I believe I can mod this one into a new case and make it permanently quieter and possibly even do a contrast mod + replace the lens for a longer throw. Then I can use my anamorphic lens and wider zoom at the same time. (to actually benefit from higher lumens). Then I can also think about watching UHD Blurays via an Oppo 203 with anamorphic stretch at 4K and downscale it to 1080p from an HD Fury Linker, or just watch it from my PC. Of course what I really want is quiet + WCG + contrast mod + higher brightness (different lamp, at least 3000-4000 lumens possible) + quasi HDR. This is quite a little piece of kit and I know it like the back of my hand.

I can take it all apart and put it back together, from memory, really quick and fully functional. I also now like one of the other designs I saw before, with a grayscale 1080p LCD with high transmissivity: basically put that on the outside of this projector. So use just an LCD panel + HDMI board as a "relay projector". The w1070 wouldn't even need to be opened or modified at all. Instead of putting an anamorphic lens in front of the w1070, you could put another light modulator to achieve 1M:1 contrast ratio.

And then get the best of both worlds: DLP motion handling combined with mega contrast, WCG...and eventually HDR10 with some custom shaders via PC playback at least. And of course that's without even going into the idea of using RGB lasers or LEDs to retrofit the light source. Rec 2020 lasers are definitely do-able although I'm not sure how expensive it'd be to get lots of lumens out of it. I think the price of green lasers should come down soon so DIY light source upgrades should be possible.

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How can you do that when RGB light sources wouldn't use the color wheel?
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How can you do that when RGB light sources wouldn't use the color wheel?
Turning on / off LEDs or lasers sequentially is a trivial matter for any arduino or raspberry pi kit, or even just an analog wave generator to turn them on (with adjustments for speed + phase of course).

It's nowhere near as good as what actual LEDs can do in terms of colour wheel speed though, since they can do all kinds of colour timing patterns to get rid of rainbows and increase effective colour wheel speed tremendously. But it's a start. And at least, it would simplify cooling greatly over a traditional lamp. The blower fan would be gone, which is, now that I got a new lamp back in there, a real nuisance once again. Might have to put the ol' unit back in the hushbox I made.
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All of a sudden my BenQ projector remote will turn on the projector but when I try to switch the remote info button it will not move at all, the batteries are new and never had this happen to me before, any thoughts or has any one experience this? A Little help would be appreciated.
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Ah, thanks for clarifying. That $245 is a scary number, and seems disproportionate to the total cost of the projector. With an older W1070 whose fan bearings rattle in a pretty pronounced way, that might almost be sufficient impetus for an upgrade. Fingers crossed the current bulb hangs in there for a while yet!
Know of a DIY fix for the fan bearing rattle? I'm sure mine does this after it's been on for an hour or so.
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Know of a DIY fix for the fan bearing rattle? I'm sure mine does this after it's been on for an hour or so.
Lots of folks have installed a higher-quality bearing, though apparently doing so is a bit finicky. The alternative is to have Benq replace the bearing, but out of warranty that's pricey and presumably they put a new version of the same poor-quality bearing in.

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So here's my mini-review of the BenQ W1070... (Updated 5 Dec 2013)

As an American living in the Philippines it's very frustrating to get electronics gear and when the dynamic iris on my Panasonic AE-900E went intermittently bad on me last month I was like Oh No! How can I get a new home theater projector here in this country? Luckily googling Top 10 projectors yielded the W1070 and after much searching I was able to find a distributor in Manila who carried it. But of course this being the Philippines with import duties for electronics sky high I had to shell out $1150 US for it (51,000 pesos) but at least I was able to get something useable. And it came with a 1 year warranty for the bulb and 2 year warranty for the unit so I guess I can live with that.

This is my third projector, the first being in 2007, the lowly starter-projector Benq W100 and then replacing it two years ago with the barely used Panasonic I mentioned above which I got for the same price as replacing the bulb for the much inferior W100 ($400). I don't know if the Panasonic spoiled me for projectors but I gotta say it is (was) much better or at least it was when it was working haha.

My W1070 is a newer model (manufactured July 2013), came with 1.06 firmware and the box says Revision 01-105. It also came with a different (better) backlit remote than the original W1070 did (as per reading the many professional reviews on the web). After trying out various "Best Of Image Settings" guides I can confirm that these newer revisions must have different default picture settings because following those guides screwed up my picture. The most blatant is the first step of a few of them telling you to raise Brightness up to 51 from 50. Well for my revision projector that induces shimmering grey artifacts immediately across the entire screen, most noticeably in the black bars top and bottom in a letterbox movie when looking at the image from no more than 6 feet away. Very noticeable and takes away from the blacks that this projector is already supposedly lacking.

* (5 Dec 2013 Edit: I have since done various "Best Of Image Settings" guides and just skipped that raising the brightness to 51 step and have gotten good results. All I can tell you is to compare the black bars in a letter box movie between Brightness 50 and 51, for me it's a world of difference. Steady black vs shimmering dark grey)

I am using my W1070 hooked up to my PC via 5m HDMI. I set Cinema mode as my default and left it at it's original settings (2.4 gamma). As a home theater enthusiast I am watching videos using Zoom Player media player with LAV as my splitter/decoder, madVR as my video renderer (highest settings, smooth motion on), avisynth script "LimitedSharpenFaster" as a sharpening post processor and of course Reclock. Mainly I watch videos that are encoded at 23.976 and 25 fps. With my now defunct Panasonic I had output 50hz refresh rate to the projector as it's easy to get Reclock to work properly with that Hz. Well, let me tell you that my W1070 doesn't like 50Hz refresh rate all that much. The blacks and greys got a weird shimmer to it and only setting the projector (default Cinema mode as I mentioned) to 1.6 gamma fixed the shimmer. Which is of course way too bright. Setting it back to 60Hz refresh rate immediately fixed that problem. Another problem I have with 50Hz refresh rate with this projector are panning scenes. Even with mVR smooth motion & Reclock there is more judder to the scene than at 60Hz. My for-testing-purposes panning scene is 25fps so it should have looked great with reclock and mVR smooth motion with the projector being fed 50Hz but nooope, that's not the case. So I am using the projector at it's default 1080p60 resolution & refresh rate.

*(5 Dec 2013 Edit: Still using it 60Hz refresh rate)

I had been able to post process SD material with very good results using my Panasonic with avisynth script sharpener "limitedsharpenfaster", there was not much aliasing and the SD material looked fairly good (improved upon). I gotta tell you though that I cannot use any sharpening post processor with SD material with the W1070 as it makes the image pretty bad. I have also tried the script "FineSharp" with same poor results. There is way too much aliasing and the image just looks like garbage even with the projector's sharpness level set at 0. So I have to watch SD material on the W1070 with no post-processing. Now to be fair, I don't know if the image on the Panasonic would be equally bad if it had the same high lumens ouput as this Benq does. Perhaps since the Benq is so bright it is causing all the SD artifacts to become more visible. All I know is that for me using a post-processing sharpening tool does not yield good results with this projector with SD material. Anything HD 720p and up though looks great with "LimitedSharpenFaster" so I have limited my post processing sharpener to only 720p+.

* (5 Dec 2013 Edit: Have since discovered that supersampling (increasing the strength) of my "LimitedSharperFaster" avisynth script (1.5x) (or LSFMod) yields pretty good results with SD material. I think the reason it is so poor with SD material is because the Benq is so much brighter than my old Panasonic so it's easier to see all the artifacts in the SD material. I don't have the above SD video problem anymore since I have upped the strength of my avisynth post processing script but be aware that since the Benq image is so bright you will see more "bad" video if it's not cleaned up with some strong video post processing)

Immediately using the projector you really notice how bright it is. Which is fine for a family room with the overhead or lamp lights on. But if you are using this projector in a totally darkened room as I am you will immediately notice that this thing leaks light. LEAKS A LOT OF LIGHT. ALL OVER THE PLACE. Pausing a video on a totally dark scene such as a fade out and looking around the screen and around your room you will see blocks of light on top of the screen, the bottom of the screen, to the left and right. This leakage is coming out of the lens. Then there is the second light leakage coming out of the front vent grill which blasts a ton of light out of the vent holes to the right (left if upside down). This is not a little light leakage. It is A LOT and disturbs your movie experience in a totally darkened environment. My Panasonic didn't have this (darn I guess I am spoiled, but I couldn't find a panasonic replacement in the philippines sniff). But luckily it is fixable. What I did was make a lens hood out of a mini Chips Ahoy plastic container and duct tape to prevent the light leakage around the lens. Mine just slides in the hole, the plastic sides prevent it from falling out. And for the front vent grill I just pulled off the cardboard back cover of a steno notebook, painted it black and double tape stuck it on there. I put my hand in there during usage to see how hot it was getting and it wasn't too bad. The air still has room to flow out the side(s) so I am not too worried about it.

* (5 Dec 2013 Edit: Still have it set up the same way with my makeshift lens hood and vent cover ;-) Working great. I would say at this point after using the W1070 daily for five months this light leakage issue is really the only major issue I have with the unit)

When I am not watching videos, I am surfing the net from my couch. When looking up close at the projected image and with CNN or some other text heavy site is up I can tell the image is wobbling a tad bit. When sitting 12 feet away from that 90" image though I can't see it though. Just something to be aware of. Sharpness is pretty good though. On my unit I have uniform sharpness, corner to corner even with keystone at -2 due to my unit sitting under my coffee table facing up at slight angle. Had to increase the font size though in my internet browser (opera) though so I could actually read the news in 1080p sitting 12 feet away. But that's because I was used to the huge text in 720p hehe.

* (5 Dec 2013 Edit: To be honest I don't think that the wobbling occurs anymore or at least I have never seen it sitting 12' feet away. I also still maintain uniform sharpness across the screen, corner to corner. I did have to fiddle around alot though with the focus ring to get it like that and then once the unit was in position I had to bump it a little back and forward til I was happy with focusing)

SMART-ECO what's it good for? I don't know. It does for sure make the image brighter but then it also makes your blacks brighter too but in a bad way as they certainly don't become deeper, but grayer. I certainly find no use for it in my darkened cinema room. It also made the projector much louder. ECO mode is fine though and it makes the projector barely barely audible for me and it's only sitting about 6 feet in front of me under my coffee table. And the blacks deepness level is fine for me too with default CINEMA mode in ECO.

*(5 Dec 2013 Edit: Still got it in plain Eco, no increase in fan noise is noticed since I first started using it. But have since stopped using default CINEMA mode and used a "Best of Settings" guide leaving brightness at 50 as mentioned above)

So overall, after preventing as much light leakage as I could, and setting my Hz back to 60Hz (from 50Hz) on my laptop and playing around with the picture and my media player post processing settings, I can honestly say I am pleased with the Benq W1070, pleased enough because it was the only cinema-type home projector I could actually find here in the Philippines with the throw ratio I was looking for. And for $1150 I really can't complain.


The BAD (IMHO): In summary
- Lots of light leakage coming out of the lens and the front vent grill. - YES DEFINITELY (5 Dec)
- 50 Hz problems ; Blacks & greys squirrelly looking at 50Hz & panning scenes more judder at 50Hz (together making 50Hz unusable for me) - YUP STILL TRUE (5 Dec)
- SMART ECO not a viable option in a dark cinema room - I STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT GOOD IT DOES (5 Dec)
- Lamp usage hours are not calculated properly in Normal & ECO mode (as previously reported in this thread)
- Picture shakes a bit but really can't tell from 12' away. But it does. - DELETED (5 Dec)
- (5 Dec) I had to pay $1150 for it while ya'll got it for less than $1K haha

The GOOD (IMHO): In summary
- Bright image and sharpness is pretty decent. Mine is sharp corner to corner
- The beeping when the unit is turned on/off. I like it so I know I actually hit the On switch properly and that the unit is all the way off so I can turn off the power strip that it's plugged into.
- Throw ratio pretty good. Was able to stick it in the same place as my Panasonic (8' from wall) and get same approx 90" diag image. From 12' away that's plenty big for me.
- Affordable enough
- (5 Dec) Eco Mode (fan) has been quiet enough for me the past 5 months
- (5 Dec) Have noticed no bulb flickering (bulb arcing) at all (yet)

* (5 Dec Edit: So after using this projector daily for past 5 months I must say that I am much more pleased with it now than when I first got it. But it did take a steep learning curve, trial & error, and study to get it the current performance level that I am happy with. I just never had to do so much with a projector before to get it the way I want)















Wow, time sure flies when you're having fun in the Philippines ;-) Been more than three years since I wrote the above mini review and ummm, everything is still exactly the same. I haven't changed one single projector setting nor did I change any of my makeshift light blockage devices. Some people had thought that my light blocking devices would cause heat related problems but nope, all is fine, and am still on the orig bulb too after 5 hours of daily use always on eco mode, 3780 hours on it. This projector has been so awesome so am having a friend bring me back a couple of spare bulbs from the states as I am sure I will need one soon after my first kaboom. Started looking into the Benq HT2050 upgrade but am thinking hopefully by the time I need to replace my W1070 there will be even newer replacements. Am really glad I found this forum all those years ago and that ya'll are still here :-)
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Good post, glad it's brought you as much joy as it has me and my g/f.

Only critique I'd say about your review is the part about judder at 50p. 50p or 60p will always have judder when watching 24p content, unless you use frame interpolation. Even watching 24p native content at 24p, the motion of 24 frames per second is inherently loaded with judder, right from the start (because they don't use 360 degree shutters with older cameras, which is AFAIK impossible with a physical shutter and would look quite blurry).

Dmitri Render is the best way to get rid of judder IMO with very haloing but it stopped working for me on a recent NVidia driver update. If that doesn't work SVP is good, although the haloing is really irritating to me now.

The only way to truly take advantage of DLP's inherent advantages in motion capabilities and instantaneous pixel transition times, is to use frame interpolation at 60fps. And then it truly shines. Of course some people can't stand fluid motion enhancement tech but yet they still complain about judder. This is irrational, of course. One literally can't have it both ways. Pick one: smooth motion, or judder. They are mutually exclusive, diametrically opposite goals.
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Every owner of the w1070 should check out this terrific post:

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/68-dig...l#post51293705

It shows how to delay your colour wheel in case you see any posterization effect on your projector. I certainly did when I removed my CW then put it all back together. Reducing the CW delay fixed it. Details in the thread.

Also, just coincidentally, I figured out some settings in NVidia control panel for a custom resolution which enables 72hz operation at 1080p. This is big for movie buffs and gamers alike so you get a bit of a boost and don't have to switch your refresh rate depending on what you watch (in case you were doing so). For gaming every Hz counts, and since 72hz is a multiple of 24hz, it should make movies judder-free (especially if you use interpolation which benefits from increased quality when you only interpolate 2/3 frames).

Here are the settings to add to Custom Resolution: Use Manual timings and plug in these values (tested on NVidia only but should work for AMD too).

Active pixels: 1920 1080
Front porch 40 2
Sync width 30 5
Total pixels 2080 1100
Polarity + -
Refresh rate 72hz

One more thing: Do yourself a favour and try out Dmitri Render, it's the best (halo-free) frame interpolation for PC (IMO):

http://www.dmitrirender.ru/

DmitriRender + 72hz + aligned colour wheel = I am super happy right now. Love this forum and all the helpful posts people share, even signing up to share this stuff. Awesome.
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Yeah, with that price for the bulb you could almost justify just replacing the entire projector each time instead of the bulb, lol! You can pick up a 1070 for around 500.00 now. .
If I didn't have to have a short throw version I would definitely do that! But the STs run about $1k so it's not so attractive for me.
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Know of a DIY fix for the fan bearing rattle? I'm sure mine does this after it's been on for an hour or so.
here's a thread about it: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/68-dig...y-2-fixes.html

I haven't tried it; tempted but nervous. I recently switched from smarteco back to eco and the noise is much more bearable.

It's a little less bright than smarteco but there seems to be less blooming too so I'm back to liking eco again!

EDIT: Never mind; after re-calibrating to eco I toggled back to smarteco and the image just popped so much more. I guess I'll either have to crank the volume to drown out the fan noise or attempt a fix. But I'm not even sure there is anything really wrong with my fan or it's just loud and it being a short throw that I'm just a few feet away from makes it worse for me...

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The cheap lamp I bought is actually a champ, now that I've got it all properly set up. My projector was dim due to the reflector mirror disintegrating (cleaning product goof).

btw, in case anyone else is wondering, yeah you can hit 75hz and likely even 76hz on this projector, not just 72. Just put 2000 x 1100 in the "total pixels" line of manual timings and that's hits 75hz.

And proof that it's "real" 72 / 75:

https://www.testufo.com/#test=framer...=none&pps=1920

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Only critique I'd say about your review is the part about judder at 50p. 50p or 60p will always have judder when watching 24p content, unless you use frame interpolation. Even watching 24p native content at 24p, the motion of 24 frames per second is inherently loaded with judder, right from the start (because they don't use 360 degree shutters with older cameras, which is AFAIK impossible with a physical shutter and would look quite blurry).
Please don't say "always" because it just isn't true. It really depends on the display device you are using if you will experience judder or not with 24 frames per second content. On that Panasonic projector I mentioned, I set it to 50Hz from default 60Hz and never had a judder problem. I never used smooth motion (synthetically created smoothness) turned on in MadVR nor any other smoothness software running while using this projector for three years with any content and still had no judder. This projector was just that good (it did cost new over $3K). With the Benq W1070 which is a sub $1K device I right away had judder problems in panning scenes in either 50 or 60Hz which thankfully was easily rectified by smooth motion turned on in mVR... but of course first I had to study and figure this all out. Which is why I say I was spoiled by the quality of the Panasonic because I had to solve lots of little problems with W1070 that I didn't have with the Pana. But alls well that ends well :-)
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I guarantee there is judder there you're just not noticing it. Consider yourself lucky!

Once you see it, you can't un-see it.

But it strikes me as odd, I find it extremely obvious in 99% of all 24p content I've ever seen. The only way that 24p content doesn't have any judder is if the filmmaker used 360 degree shutters (virtually unheard of since it will look super blurry) i.e. no shutter at all. Any time a shutter of any type is used, you will get judder, it's inevitable.

<360 degree Shutter => judder

Low framerates + shutter = more judder than higher framerates, thus more apparent.

Ironically because DLPs have no transition time between frames' colours, effectively instantaneous, that actually makes judder more apparent, because the display itself isn't introducing additional motion blur. Judder, for this reason, is harder to see on LCDs than on DLPs and plasmas, because LCDs take up to 10 ms to fully transition from black to white or vice versa (worst case scenario, which is more likely at the edges of rapidly moving objects since contrast is typically greater between distinct objects or their backgrounds, than within objects themselves).
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I guarantee there is judder there you're just not noticing it. Consider yourself lucky!
Yes, very true... perhaps the Pana projector had some of its own smooth motion algorithms built in that much cheaper projectors (like this one) don't have... I betcha that explains it.
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This projector has been so awesome so am having a friend bring me back a couple of spare bulbs from the states as I am sure I will need one soon after my first kaboom.
The smart move here is to replace your bulb before that happens, to avoid collateral damage (which can affect other components including the colour wheel) and big messy glass cleanup after the fact.

Commercial cinemas have figured this out years ago. You do not want explosions. These bulbs are dirt cheap for the lifetime they offer. 80 bucks shipped from Amazon for 4000-5000 hours of usable lifespan is a bargain.

I would recommend to all w1070 users to replace their bulbs at no longer than 4500 hours. It will be quite dim by then anyway and time for a freshening up anyway.

In other news, my total w1070 rebuild has been a 100% success, I had to cut a fresh mirror to replace the disintegrated one in the optical cavity and it all looks brand new now. I think I may be satisfied waiting another year with this one before upgrading after all. Then maybe true 4K JVCs will be available with laser light source and won't make me think I'm wasting my money on another 1080p-esque half-measure display. I really want a laser light source and as close to native P3 as I can get in my next projector. Until then I may rebuild this w1070 one last time, but in another case and with some other goodies thrown in

/aside just watched the latest Underworld movie in 72hz (well, 71.928 = 23.976 x 3) mode with FI on, amazing quality, stunning really. After cleaning up the optics it's insanely sharp and with the added smoothness, quite good.

I believe it may even be possible to get 100hz going on VGA analog input, since 75hz works at 1920x1080 with manual timings I believe 1920x810 at 96hz or 100hz has a chance of working too. (same overall bandwidth, just shy of 165mhz which is what this projector can handle). 96hz is better of course because of film cadence. I'll let you guys know if I get it working. I have a DP 1.2 to VGA adapter, which also supports 10-bit DAC, although long DP cables are super expensive which is why I haven't bought any. Long VGA cables of course are cheap but prone to interference and noise over such distances and with such high frequencies, so I'll have to test it. But the benefit of "free" 10-bit is pretty good. Then again, it should be possible to overwrite the EDID to force a 10-bit mode at 1080p60 in RGB, using manual timings again. Because if 75hz works at 8-bit in RGB, then 60hz should work at 10-bit without having to drop to 422 and things getting blurry.

I really like the idea of min-maxing this projector in its last year, to eke out every last drop of performance it can muster. 10-bit is increasingly important in UHD era since that's the native bit depth of most content.

Then I may be able to get 1920 x 810 ultra-wide with my a-lens working, over VGA analog, in 10-bit RGB, at 96hz. Now wouldn't that be special The 96hz part is great for games, and frame interpolated video. 144hz interpolated on my G-sync monitor is just buttery smooth so I think 96hz on my projector should be decent enough. I can't wait to try a racing game in ultra-wide 96hz.

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Where can I buy the lamp at a decent price?

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