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Help needed with 5020UB and Pioneer Elite SC-LX501
I'm wondering if anyone can suggest anything I may not have tried yet in trying to get my Epson 5020UB working with a new Pioneer Elite SC-LX501 receiver, which is a recent upgrade.
I previously owned a Pioneer VSX-1021 and was using that for my audio and to switch my HDMI inputs. It was typically connected to a Sony rear-projection set but I also have the Epson installed in the room with a motorized screen and prefer to use that for watching movies. In the past I'd just manually swap the HDMI output from the receiver between the TV and projector as needed. Low-tech, I know. But it worked.
In late April this year, I upgraded the TV to an LG 4K OLED set, and replaced the receiver with the Pioneer Elite due to the 4K processing requirements. As the Elite has dual HDMI outputs , MAIN + SUB and I am only using a single zone, the manual states that SUB can be used to drive a projector in conjunction with the MAIN TV output, so I expected no issues in being able to continue to use my projector. Unfortunately, at the time I replaced these components, I had to travel shortly afterwards and as my primary interest at that time was the new 4K set, I didn't have time to actually test the projector during the initial setup. Now, having just tried to so in the past few days, I am finding that I'm not having any luck whatsoever in getting a successful HDMI signal out from the Pioneer to the Epson. And my return window for the Pioneer has passed so I am stuck with it. It's been updated to the most recent firmware, at least as of the past week or so.
As far as specifics of what I am trying to get working, my input source is a gen 1 Xbox one connected via HDMI port 5 on the Elite. HDMI port 5 is supposed to be a non-HDCP 2.2. port and I would expect to be able to pass this through to the Epson, which is HDMI-1/HDCP 1 based. The Xbox has a TiVo connected to its HDMI input and so my TiVo viewing is normally through the Xbox TV mode. The Xbox One HDMI signal output settings are 1080p 60Hz w/ 24 bit standard color space.
On the Elite, for video processing, I have 1080p->4K upscaling disabled, and have disabled CEC and ARC. When connected to the LG OLED TV, if I press the info button on the Pioneer remote, for Video it shows "HDMI5 1080p 59Hz". So it's not being upscaled.
I have tried it with the LG OLED connected to MAIN and the projector on SUB outputs, tried it the opposite way (as per Pioneer tech support suggestion), and tried it with just the projector connected to MAIN. In every instance, the projector just dumbly displays the "No Signal" message. I don't even get the Elite GUI if try to go to the menu, so even the native video the Elite is putting out for its interface doesn't display.
If I disconnect the projector from Pioneer HDMI output and connect it directly to the Xbox, I get a picture, so the cable is ok, cable length is ok (or at least as far as the Xbox goes). I also tested with a gen 2 apple TV and that also gives me a picture on the projector, so generally the projector seems fine.
Suffice to say I've gone back and forth multiple times w/ both Pioneer and Epson and each is pointing the finger at the other. And they have both been insistent that cable length could be the issue, as the run to the projector is about 20 feet. So to finally settle that, I took the projector down from the ceiling and placed it near the receiver where I could plug it in using the same 5-foot cable that works fine with the TV set. And once again, you guessed it: "No signal".
I am about to fall on the sword and buy a new 4K projector but I really was not planning on that right now. However, I seem to have gone through every logical test and these two pieces of gear do not want to cooperate. I thought about trying to put a splitter in between but I've already blown money on active cables etc and I am not gonna throw good money after bad. I know the projector is 5 years old at this point and already a dinosaur in tech terms, buy I still cannot parse out why this won't work when the other HDMI sources I'm using are fine, unless Pioneer is not backwards compatible w/ HDMI 1-based gear, but they claim to be, and I'm being told by tech support that this scenario is "very unusual".
If anyone has any suggestions please let me know. Many thanks...
Last edited by jfr2000; 06-06-2018 at 09:01 PM.