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I'm trying to check my math before buying either the Sony HW40es or the Epson 6030.

The documentation states (https://docs.sony.com/release/VPLHW4...D=A:6155355:CJ) that the vertical lens shift is 0.71

If my screen height is 60" (60 * .71 = 42.6), can this projector really be mounted anywhere from 42" BELOW the screen, all the way up to 42" above the screen?
No. The .71 is from the center of the screen, not the edges.
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So it can be position from 12.6" above the screen (since the center line is 30" + 42.6"). Correct?

Why is there NO perfect equipment, only compromises?
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So it can be position from 12.6" above the screen (since the center line is 30" + 42.6"). Correct?
Correct .. but remember that that also assumes you're not doing any horizontal shifting at the same time.
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Correct .. but remember that that also assumes you're not doing any horizontal shifting at the same time.
So in my case, if I wanted to mount my 60" tall screen 34" off the floor, the highest the center of the lens could be would be about 106"? I was hoping I would only need a 18-24" extension AT MOST. I hate my 11' foot ceilings...
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Can someone tell me if these glasses work with the Sony 40ES ?

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I haven't seen these posted any where before. They are cheap in price.

I just ordered these. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I will let you guys know if they work ok. I have 6 pairs of PS3 3d glasses. They hurt your nose after a hour or so.

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Do not buy these glasses you will not get the right ones this is two times this stupid ass company did this to me. Amazon gave me a extra credit of 10.00 for next spending. I ordered the rechargeable glasses for Sony and received the battery IR glasses.

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So in my case, if I wanted to mount my 60" tall screen 34" off the floor, the highest the center of the lens could be would be about 106"? I was hoping I would only need a 18-24" extension AT MOST. I hate my 11' foot ceilings...
Yes, I believe we both have the math correct. Is the back wall a suitable distance from the screen to mount it on a shelf back there?
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So in my case, if I wanted to mount my 60" tall screen 34" off the floor, the highest the center of the lens could be would be about 106"? I was hoping I would only need a 18-24" extension AT MOST. I hate my 11' foot ceilings...
Keep in mind that the Epson 6030 allows for more lens shift...Vertical height x 96%. Basically, this means that you can move the image virtually an entire vertical size up or down. You won't be adjusting lens shift horizontally, so you'd be able to max this out.
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Yes, I believe we both have the math correct. Is the back wall a suitable distance from the screen to mount it on a shelf back there?
The back wall is about 21' away from where the screen would so the throw would be 20'. I don't think the project is bright enough to mount it that far away. I do have a ceiling right in the middle of the room that hangs down to 36". I believe it has a 18" extension that I could decrease to 6". That would allow me to ceiling mount the projector a few feet behind it and give it a throw distance of 15ft.

Funny thing is that I thought I was going to need a 24"+ extension to clear the fan, but it I'll need it to get the screen where I want it. 36" high is the max that I would want it at, but I'd prefer 32-34". Just high enough to clear the center channel by 4-5".
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Keep in mind that the Epson 6030 allows for more lens shift...Vertical height x 96%. Basically, this means that you can move the image virtually an entire vertical size up or down. You won't be adjusting lens shift horizontally, so you'd be able to max this out.
I was actually checking out the 5030 and I think it has the same vertical shift. I could probably used the extra lumens too. I don't have a screen yet, but the projection on my wall doesn't look very good with ambient lighting. I wonder if the slate 1.2 gain screen I've been looking at will make a big difference.
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Since I got my Sony I never ever seen flicker in my 3D. I run motion enhancer on high. Make sure you have that film option thing turned off, that is what it does makes it look like a real movie with light flickering.

I use a MX3 box set on 1080p 24 and you want to talk about streaming 3d sbs looks as good as orig disk. With motion enhancer on high.
I'd like to know how you were able to change the Film Mode setting during 3D playback, because as far as I can tell, this projector doesn't offer Film Mode in 3D. It doesn't even show up on the menu. In any case, I had already disabled it (when I had it in 2D mode) before I noticed the flicker.

Motion Enhancer settings don't make a difference for me. I see just as much flicker regardless of how it's set, and even when playback is paused.

I've updated my post to note those points, as well as the slightly worse crosstalk I just noticed with the Incredisonic glasses vs. the PlayStation glasses.
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I was actually checking out the 5030 and I think it has the same vertical shift. I could probably used the extra lumens too...
The HW40 is brighter than the 5030 when they are both fully calibrated. According to Projector Reviews, the HW40 is 1510 lumens calibrated, and the 5030 is 915 lumens calibrated. The 5030 will give you 1650 lumens if you're willing to put up with non-perfect color (without going all the way to living room mode where it's way off), whereas the HW40 in game mode is about 1730 lumens.

So as far as I've read, the 5030 isn't brighter than the HW40 at any setting that looks decent.
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Just received my projector from EastPorters. Called Sony and the serial number is good and has 3 years of warranty. No issues.

First impressions. The vertical shift seems a bit jerky.....the lens sets then falls a bit...you have to dial down then dial up a bit to hold it perfectly.

I'll change the bulb to low (had trouble finding that on the menu really quickly) I'll read up on it. It has been only 5 minutes max so far. The picture looks really nice, but it is only set on Reference mode. I've not calibrated it yet. I need to put in a BluRay to compare the difference. Not bad for the price I paid (about $1650 US)

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Well we know the CGI movies pretty much are a go to for the demo. Although I highly suggest for the picture quality alone Lucy to see how awesome the projector is. Haven't calibrated, low bulb, reference mode and reality creation on on 106" screen from about 11-12 feet back

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Just received my projector from EastPorters. Called Sony and the serial number is good and has 3 years of warranty. No issues.

First impressions. The vertical shift seems a bit jerky.....the lens sets then falls a bit...you have to dial down then dial up a bit to hold it perfectly.

I'll change the bulb to low (had trouble finding that on the menu really quickly) I'll read up on it. It has been only 5 minutes max so far. The picture looks really nice, but it is only set on Reference mode. I've not calibrated it yet. I need to put in a BluRay to compare the difference. Not bad for the price I paid (about $1650 US)
Sweet. Looking forward to your impressions after calibration.
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So my projector lens will be about 17 feet from the screen. I plan to have the center of the lens to be right about near the top of the screen, so I think I will have enough lens shift to make that work pretty easily. Its in a completely light controlled room (no windows at all). Screen size is 149" 16:9. At least that's the size I am thinking right now. First row of seats about 13' away.
Top of image, excellent location.
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My basement contractor has installed non sony projectors before so maybe this is related to Sony but maybe not. We are using the lens shifts to get the correct image size to fit my screen and we can tell the left, top, and right side alignments are straight and good. The bottom alignment is not a straight line, it goes from left to right looking at the screen higher and higher. Is there a particular function within the menu settings we need to be looking to adjust to get a straight all around image?
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Sweet. Looking forward to your impressions after calibration.
I was going to use my Disney WOW disk to calibrate, unless someone has great values to start with for Reference with Low Lamp

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For those with questions about settings, are you aware of the HW40ES owner's thread? It has more examples of what people have done.
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/68-dig...gs-thread.html

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My basement contractor has installed non sony projectors before so maybe this is related to Sony but maybe not. We are using the lens shifts to get the correct image size to fit my screen and we can tell the left, top, and right side alignments are straight and good. The bottom alignment is not a straight line, it goes from left to right looking at the screen higher and higher. Is there a particular function within the menu settings we need to be looking to adjust to get a straight all around image?
If you back up a few pages in this thread .. and also in the owner's thread, I think you'll find a number of people who have noticed this slight curving of the bottom alignment. This tends to be a problem only with the calibration pattern up and compared to a fixed horizontal on a screen. Most people say it doesn't have a noticeable effect on the viewing experience .. but for some, it's frustrating knowing it's there. There's no official word that I know of from Sony as to why this happens but the speculation is that it might be tied to using significant amounts of vertical offset. One post suggested that Sony's response to their concern was that it was 'within their tolerances' or something like that.
So, you're not alone .. but it generally doesn't detract from the viewing pleasure. Some have suggested using a bit of overscan and having the velvet screen frame (assuming you have one) hide it.
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If you back up a few pages in this thread .. and also in the owner's thread, I think you'll find a number of people who have noticed this slight curving of the bottom alignment. This tends to be a problem only with the calibration pattern up and compared to a fixed horizontal on a screen. Most people say it doesn't have a noticeable effect on the viewing experience .. but for some, it's frustrating knowing it's there. There's no official word that I know of from Sony as to why this happens but the speculation is that it might be tied to using significant amounts of vertical offset. One post suggested that Sony's response to their concern was that it was 'within their tolerances' or something like that.
So, you're not alone .. but it generally doesn't detract from the viewing pleasure. Some have suggested using a bit of overscan and having the velvet screen frame (assuming you have one) hide it.
There's also a non-zero probability that you're not truly squared off and level yet.
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How far from the floor are you guys mounting your screens? Also, anyone here mounting their projectors from 11'+ ceilings? I'd like to see pics of how the projector looks hanging from a 24"+ extension.
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There's no real need to calibrate it (not saying you can't make it look even better....with a good calibration). I haven't measured with my calibrating software and meter but it looks very similar to what my JVC looks like that was professionally calibrated. Skin tones look really good and colours look fairly accurate as well.....with the eye. That's one of the big reasons why I love this projector....it's plug and play. You can really start killing lumens playing with a CMS......at least that's my experience with past projectors. It is an art and I'm not much of an artist. Once you start messing around the OCD really comes out. That's my experience.

Mine has a bit of barrel distortion with a soft focus spot and is probably do to a lower quality lens. Not noticeable whilst watching content (you might see it in a ticker...but that's probably about it)

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Okay i rent so mounting toceiing nogo for me........Can i have this projector sitting on a stand about 6ft off the floor ? I was comparing this projector to the Pana PT8000 lens shift will allow me to do this...Thxs

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The Panasonic is certainly more flexible in terms of placement.

Mine Sony is set up and it is 18' away from a 11.5' wide screen in 2.35:1 ratio. I have the lens opened as wide or as open as it will go and it just reaches he sides and goes over an inch or so if I wanted to. It was close and closer than the calculations I did.

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However, if anyone knows of an external emitter that works with the Sony 3D PlayStation glasses, I would appreciate it.

I didn't see an answer to your question, so thought I would chime in.

Sony makes an IR emitter which is supposed to work with the 40ES. It simply plugs in the the back and puts out an IR signal. Note that is disables the built-in transmitter. This device is mentioned in the 40ES manual. It will work with the glasses you have.

The other option is the XPand RF unit. This also plugs into the back of the Sony. The RF unit itself requires a special adaptor plug - you can buy one from XPand or make your own. Again, plugging this in will disable your built-in IR transmitter. Being RF, your current IR glasses will not work with this unit.

Note that I do not have personal experience with either of the above. I am repeating what I have read here and in other places. There may be other options, but these are the only two I am aware of. Hope this helps.
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Next all new cabs up front and new speakers soon.
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Next all new cabs up front and new speakers soon.

Looks good... I'm itching to get mine mounted... The hardwood is going in tomorrow so I'm hoping tomorrow night granted we don't finish the floors too late.Click image for larger version

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That's a view from the rear wall looking at the screen.. I'm going with a 110 inch elite.
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Looks good... I'm itching to get mine mounted... The hardwood is going in tomorrow so I'm hoping tomorrow night granted we don't finish the floors too late.Attachment 515297

That's a view from the rear wall looking at the screen.. I'm going with a 110 inch elite.
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