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kraine 07-11-2014 01:26 AM

BenQ W1070+ new version of the W1070 with WHDMI and MHL
 
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BenQ will bring out this fall a newer version of his successfull projector the W1070. This new model will offer more brightness 2200 lumens, MHL capacity and also a new wireless connexion type. Two versions will be offered, the W1070+ without the wireless box (price TBE around 900€) and the W1070+W that will includes the WFHD transmitter and receiver. (Price TBE around 1200€).

http://www.projection-homecinema.fr/...ison-sans-fil/



http://www.projection-homecinema.fr/...enQ-W1070+.jpg

AV_Integrated 07-11-2014 09:35 AM

Two years and this is the upgrade they came up with? I was hoping for a bit more considering the time frame we are talking about here. Not that the image needed much work, but seriously, things like upgrading the 3D engine to include wireless, putting a 12v trigger on the case, and a VESA 3D port aren't there? It's just a bit of a disappointment considering there are dozens of ways to get phone content and external wireless HDMI solutions to projectors, but there's no magic way to turn DLP Link into RF 3D. So, they incorporated something that was basically already readily available, and upgraded a speaker that nobody should be using to begin with. yay :confused:

Adult Beverage 07-11-2014 11:47 AM

Good news is recent purchasers won't have to suffer buyers remorse Yay us!

jkirby 07-15-2014 01:15 PM

is there any expectation of a better PQ with this thing?
Maybe better (less) light leakage?

I have no interest with wireless unless someone can tell me it won't interfere at all with sending a high quality blu-ray movie across it..

jkirby 07-28-2014 03:38 PM

somewhere I thought I read that this version will have solved the light leakage issue that the existing W1070 has.

Will have to wait for real reviews to confirm, but for me that might be worth some extra money. I wouldn't get the wireless version. Just can't see myself trusting that for high quality movies..

kraine 08-03-2014 10:06 AM

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Just received the new W1070+ and his WHDMI trasmitter and receiver, review will follow in a couple of days :

http://www.projection-homecinema.fr/...sans-fil-benq/

Morlince 08-04-2014 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by kraine (Post 26260545)
Just received the new W1070+ and his WHDMI trasmitter and receiver, review will follow in a couple of days :

http://www.projection-homecinema.fr/...sans-fil-benq/

Great, looking forward to your input on them.

/\\/\\orlince

smokarz 08-04-2014 04:25 PM

Does it have better lens shift?

That's the million dollars question ;)

kreeturez 08-04-2014 04:28 PM

BenQ W1070+ new version of the W1070 with WHDMI and MHL
 
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Originally Posted by smokarz (Post 26294057)
Does it have better lens shift?

That's the million dollars question ;)


It does indeed... Check BenQ's web site for the specs:
http://orwww2.benq.com/product/proje...pecifications/

Roughly the same shift range as it's predecessor.

smokarz 08-04-2014 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by kreeturez (Post 26294169)
It does indeed... Check BenQ's web site for the specs:
http://orwww2.benq.com/product/proje...pecifications/

Roughly the same shift range as it's predecessor.


Thanks for the link, but I was hoping for better shift range compared to its earlier version.

kreeturez 08-04-2014 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by smokarz (Post 26294609)
Thanks for the link, but I was hoping for better shift range compared to its earlier version.


Alas, large amounts of lens-shift isn't something offered by budget DLP projectors in general, unfortunately.

RTK 08-04-2014 05:45 PM

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Here are the W1070 and W1070+ compared on Benq website, draw your own conclusions. Link takes a bit to load.

http://orwww2.benq.com/products/comp..._comparePlid=8

sethsez 08-04-2014 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by RTK (Post 26296017)
Here are the W1070 and W1070+ compared on Benq website, draw your own conclusions. Link takes a bit to load.

http://orwww2.benq.com/products/comp..._comparePlid=8

Man, if it weren't for the inclusion of MHL I'd suspect this was the exact same hardware with a solid firmware update. Unless it winds up being surprisingly better somehow, this seems to just be a rebranding to be able to keep selling the same projector, much like the 8345.

Ftoast 08-04-2014 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by sethsez (Post 26299993)
Man, if it weren't for the inclusion of MHL I'd suspect this was the exact same hardware with a solid firmware update. Unless it winds up being surprisingly better somehow, this seems to just be a rebranding to be able to keep selling the same projector, much like the 8345.

Which would pretty much be fine if they didn't also raise the price. There are a few nearly costless software features that can or have been added like frame interpolation, 2D-to-3D conversion, intrascene contrast expansion, smoother smart-eco, etc. (built into cheaper projectors sometimes) that could simply be added to the w1070.
It's overall odd that they didn't really address the three main complaints; high lamp-heat = noise+poorerblacklevel, vesa port, some people want longer throw. I understand that releasing another model with longer range would both encroach on the w1500+w7500 as well as cost more overhead, but adding the 3D emitter port is dirt-cheap and adding a lower powered eco-mode (eco2?) would be really attractive.
If they want to raise the price to 1K, make it a meaty update, otherwise leave the price close. Then again people keep buying lower priced/higher profit margin nonRGB models and making their like popular so maybe we all deserve this as it's still the cheapest rgb (practically the only until 2X this price). Or maybe specs need to be policed in some MEANINGFUL way so they have use for the average consumer and can steer them toward a truly decent product.

rwestley 08-06-2014 06:36 PM

The Vesa port was the update I was looking for. This just seems to be a way for Benq to extend the life of the 1070 with very few changes.

I think it is a big mistake. Someone will come out with the next killer under $1,000 unit while they are sleeping.

ondaedg 08-08-2014 07:28 PM

Anyone else notice that the 1070+ is rated 3db quieter than the 1070? I for one am happy to see this.

AllenA07 08-09-2014 06:44 PM

Honestly I'm about ready to buy and I think I'm going to try to see if I can get the w1070 on sale. This update just doesn't do much for me.

tony_creigiau 08-10-2014 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by AllenA07 (Post 26435449)
Honestly I'm about ready to buy and I think I'm going to try to see if I can get the w1070 on sale. This update just doesn't do much for me.

Richer Sounds has W1070 for £499, cheapest I've found

mishari84 08-10-2014 09:23 AM

The added horizontal lens shift is a big upgrade, although RF 3D is missing

sethsez 08-10-2014 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by mishari84 (Post 26445721)
The added horizontal lens shift is a big upgrade, although RF 3D is missing

It doesn't have horizontal lens shift, just horizontal keystone correction.

Brian81 08-11-2014 10:11 AM

Noticed that this model drops s-video (if anyone cares about that), which was on the W1070. Glad I picked up the old version, as without s-video on modern receivers/processor, it is good to at least have it available on the display device.

The only improvements I'm really seeing are 2200 lumens vs 2000 lumens, and the horizontal keystone correction. The latter would be useful to me.

rwestley 08-11-2014 12:22 PM

I just don't understand why they didn't put a VESA port where the S video was. Very easy and cheap.

jkirby 08-11-2014 01:44 PM

no news if this is quieter or has better (less) light leakage?

sethsez 08-11-2014 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by jkirby (Post 26479553)
no news if this is quieter or has better (less) light leakage?

The official specs claim it's a bit quieter.

kraine 08-15-2014 12:46 AM

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Review will be online next week but you can alreay see in this picture how the new menu version look :

rwestley 08-15-2014 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by kraine (Post 26583681)
Review will be online next week but you can alreay see in this picture how the new menu version look :

Looking forward to your review. Can you give us a hint as to what other changes have been made. It is sad to see that Benq did not include a Vesa Port for RF 3D in the new model. It will be interesting to see if enough changes have been made to make an upgrade worth it.

kraine 08-16-2014 12:55 AM

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Only a few changes was made to the W1070+ (MHL input, electronical keystone that offer side projection and the additionnal wireless capacity).

kraine 08-18-2014 11:26 AM

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kreeturez 08-18-2014 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by kraine (Post 26671569)


Thank you for this, kraine. Nice new test bench you have there, by the way :)

I'm wondering where the extra 10% lumen-claim over the original W1070 comes from: in practice, it looks like this hits roughly the same 2000-lumen brightness as its predecessor.
Also interesting is that the brightness measurements you found between the W1080 and this W1070+ are nearly identical!

You mention fan noise: is it significantly better than it's predecessor? The official specifications claim it's lower: is it really lower in practice? (Sometimes I wonder if it wouldn't make sense for BenQ to release a larger-chassis version of the W1070/W1070+ for more efficient cooling).
Still even with just dialog coming from a video, I imagine fan noise is not particularly noticeable (like it's predecessor...)

You also mention lack of RBE in this unit: how does this compare to the original W1070? (Was your photographer able to compare between the two? Or was he unable to detect any RBE with the original W1070 either?)

Once again, thanks for this - it's the first proper, 'technical' review we've seen!

kraine 08-18-2014 12:27 PM

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Thanks kreeturez :)

About the noise, the fan noise is higher on the W1070+ in action and it's easily understeable with more brightness on the + version.

I 'm not able to answer to your RBE question because Max (the photograph) wasn't there during the W1070 test. Sorry for that :o


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