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Benq HT1075 and HT1085ST

Visual Apex has the replacements for the w1070 and 1080st listed on their site today. It looks like the new models for the US with be called the HT1075 and HT1085ST. They said they begin selling in September. No new info listed in the specs, though.
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Benq HT1075 and HT1085ST

Indeed judging by the full specifications sheet ( http://media.visualapex.com/products...ors/HT1075.pdf ), these look like the regional versions of the W1070+ and W1080+.

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Wireless "ready" with purchase of module.
A new menu system.
Horizontal keystone.

Identical performance by the looks of it.

They need to be careful not to sweeten the pot too much for $1000 or W7500 sales will tank.
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looks like the HT1085ST has vertical lens shift?

Projection offset: Vertical 110%-130%±5%
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I wonder if the firmware for that device will work on the w1070 and give us the new menu... I just dont want to be the first to try it.

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I wonder if the firmware for that device will work on the w1070 and give us the new menu... I just dont want to be the first to try it.

I definitely understand the temptation...

But since even the very, very (save for its lens) similar W1080 runs a different firmware tree to the W1070, I wouldn't risk it ;-)

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So I shouldn't run JVC firmware on my W1070 to get better black levels?
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So I shouldn't run JVC firmware on my W1070 to get better black levels?

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There's a piece of firmware called an "ND Filter" that in its version "2" guise is good for improving black levels - at the expense of brightness (so, just like a JVC, then? )

In seriousness though, improved blacks are the one (actually, only) thing I really wanted to see with this model - that appears not to be the case. Guess we're reaching the best DC3 DLP can do (without an iris, at least).
Ah well. Still looks like a fine machine.
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There's a piece of firmware called an "ND Filter" that in its version "2" guise is good for improving black levels - at the expense of brightness (so, just like a JVC, then? )

In seriousness though, improved blacks are the one (actually, only) thing I really wanted to see with this model - that appears not to be the case. Guess we're reaching the best DC3 DLP can do (without an iris, at least).
Ah well. Still looks like a fine machine.
Agreed. When I first got my W1070 the typical mediocre DLP black levels really grated on me. After 2000 hours of enjoying all its other virtues I have learned to live with it...though was still hoping for a noticable improvement for this new BenQ.
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That's going the wrong direction, though, for ceiling mount with a low ceiling. The screen would be even lower on the wall at 130%. For coffee table mount, I suppose it might be useful. Or rooms with high ceilings to keep giants from bumping their heads on the ceiling mounted projector.
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Any chance they will have improved the flaws from the W1070 ?

Sealed optics ?
Quieter fan ?
HDMI sync issues ?
Light leakage from vents ?
Lamp that actually lasts quoted hours ?
General build and quality control ?

Amazon reviews for W1070 seem loaded with dust blob problems, DOA units, failure after a month, HDMI sync making channel surfing impossible, squealing fan after a month, etc.

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Any chance they will have improved the flaws from the W1070 ?

Sealed optics ?
Quieter fan ?
HDMI sync issues ?
Light leakage from vents ?
Lamp that actually lasts quoted hours ?
General build and quality control ?

Amazon reviews for W1070 seem loaded with dust blob problems, DOA units, failure after a month, HDMI sync making channel surfing impossible, squealing fan after a month, etc.
I think your Forum name gives the most likely answer to your questions.

Saying that, my own personal experience isn't all bad. My first W1070 died quickly of a fan failure (returned via Amazon with no hassles). My second was returned because one corner was quite blurry. (Have since realized that poor corner to corner focus is more a function of the cheap lens then a flaw in itself.) My third now has 2000 hours and has made a slight "cricket chirping" noise for most of its life but has not gotten any worse or caused troubles. It also has lens distortion similar to the second (maybe not quite as bad), but I don't notice it on video, just text.
From what I have read of the new HT 1075 there is no reason to be believe it will be any different.

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I think your Forum name gives the most likely answer to your questions.

Saying that, my own personal experience isn't all bad. My first W1070 died quickly of a fan failure (returned via Amazon with no hassles). My second was returned because one corner was quite blurry. (Have since realized that poor corner to corner focus is more a function of the cheap lens then a flaw in itself.) My third now has 2000 hours and has made a slight "cricket chirping" noise for most of its life but has not gotten any worse or caused troubles. It also has lens distortion similar to the second (maybe not quite as bad), but I don't notice it on video, just text.
From what I have read of the new HT 1075 there is no reason to be believe it will be any different.
It is frustrating to think that it wouldn't cost even $50 per unit to correct these flaws, but virtually nobody expects BenQ to do that with the 1075. With a quieter high quality fan and sealed optics alone, plus a second level QC, BenQ could have generated a lot of repeat business with 1070 owners passing them along used to pick up a 1075.

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www.amazon.com/BenQ-HT1075-1080P-Theater-Projector/dp/B00LTMPOUO/

the HT1070 is #1 seller but its successor doesnt even have a single review after a month? anything fishy going on or is the 1070 just the better deal atm?

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An additional $400 buys you very little.
If I remember correctly the W1070 started out at about $1100 as well, then once supply met demand and most re-sellers had it in stock rather than "soon to arrive" the price quickly dropped. The price now regularly sits around $700, which is truly amazing for such a fabulous large image. Expect the same for the HT1075.
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Any chance they will have improved the flaws from the W1070 ?

Sealed optics ?
Quieter fan ?
HDMI sync issues ?
Light leakage from vents ?
Lamp that actually lasts quoted hours ?
General build and quality control ?

Amazon reviews for W1070 seem loaded with dust blob problems, DOA units, failure after a month, HDMI sync making channel surfing impossible, squealing fan after a month, etc.
Comparing the spec sheets for the W1070 and HT1075 here and here it looks like the HT1075 is quieter; 33-30 dB (normal, eco mode) for the W1070 vs. 31-28 dB for the HT1075. Nice that they are addressing one of the most common complaints of the W1070.

The other thing I notice is the lamp in the HT1075 is the same one that's in the W1070, has the same listed lifespan but is 10% brighter. Seems like the only way to achieve that would be some kind of changes to the optics, so perhaps they have addressed some of the other things you listed.

Personally I bought the W1070 when it was $900 and feel it was one of the better purchases I've made. I understand people have their complaints, but for the money it's an incredible machine and there is a subset of consumers who will never be satisfied no matter how much you give them.
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The other thing I notice is the lamp in the HT1075 is the same one that's in the W1070, has the same listed lifespan but is 10% brighter. Seems like the only way to achieve that would be some kind of changes to the optics,.
That's an interesting point. I researched once and found a number like 9,000 raw lumens for my 200W uhp lamp in my JVC RS1 -- a projector that only puts out 700 color lumens.

So there is an awful lot of light being lost inside all these projectors, either through lenses, prisms, color wheel and DMD cycles, etc.

Still, dust blobs due to unsealed optics are just inexcusable. Maybe nobody would ever notice in a PowerPoint presentation, but it shows a disrespect for HT customers.

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Same throw as the w1070? (which to me means no good for my room).

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I have no belief at all that the new W1075/1085 models are any different than the existing models. BenQ has a excellent product right now. They have introduced new firmware in the W1070/1080 which address some noise issues, and the 1075/1085 likely have the identical firmware. Same parts, etc. just a bit of updating, and perhaps a new processing chip to allow for some added keystone correction.

But, the same projector which has been dominating the 'cheap' home theater market for about two years now. I bought a first month W1070 on barely any reviews because of the $800 introductory pricing. It's still running great, and is still the model most recommended under $1,800.

So, with the minimal upgrades of the 1075/1085 you should expect very little, or more accurately, nothing.

I doubt the lens is any different on the 1085 than the 1080 was. The old 1080ST also claimed lens shift in the brochure, but doesn't have it. Expect about 2% offset. The W1075 likely has the same lens as the W1070. So, again, expect about 1"-6" above a typical screen - give or take.

Expect weak black levels, but great colors, and enough brightness to easily fill screens over 150" in diagonal.

Until InFocus or Optoma step up to the plate with bright RGB/RGB models, this BenQ retains the formula which should be the standard for others to follow.
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Same throw as the w1070? (which to me means no good for my room).
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The W1070's (HT1075's) reduced throw distance requirements make it pretty much the ONLY projector that will work in my small room.
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It would be really cool to see a third model for the longer-throw crowd. Like the European w1400?

The black level and noise complaints could be fixed with another update that added a second, darker eco-mode that would bring lamp-power down nearer to the lower level of smart-eco and leave it there. Poof, darker blacks, lower noise, even longer lamp-life and still enough lumens to match many other projectors when they're set for accurate colors.

The parts are already inside in order to support smart-eco in the first place. They'd just have to add in one more lamp setting.

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The parts are already inside in order to support smart-eco in the first place. They'd just have to add in one more lamp setting.
They won't do that, manufacturers purposefully reduce features so they can sell more expensive models. Sometimes devices will even have exactly the same hardware, just different firmware and stickers. They can't do anything about us putting a neutral density filter in front of the lens though, which almost accomplishes the same thing.
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Projector Central is saying that the 1075 has twice the input lag as the 1070. That is disappointing for gamers.
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Projector Central is saying that the 1075 has twice the input lag as the 1070. That is disappointing for gamers.
Just skimmed the article but what I got from it was that they did a poor job of measuring the w1070 and the new measurement for the W1075 is more accurate. Similar to the first brightness measurement of the W1070 which was 30% less than subsequent tests.

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Just skimmed the article but what I got from it was that they did a poor job of measuring the w1070 and the new measurement for the W1075 is more accurate. Similar to the first brightness measurement of the W1070 which was 30% less than subsequent tests.
Even if it was just poor measurements of the 1070, it is still dissapointing to see a near 50ms lag time on this projector.
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I've had the HT1085ST for a few days now, so I thought I'd share a few things about it. Some positive initial observations: I haven't personally noticed any input lag while playing games, but I'm probably not as sensitive to it as some people are. My previous projectors have been Optomas (GT1080, HD26 briefly), so this is my first RGBRGB color wheel. Color accuracy is definitely significantly better, and bright areas aren't horribly overblown like with non-RGBRGB color wheels. I still notice rainbows, but it does seem quite a bit less than the Optomas. If they made RGBRGBRGB wheels rainbows would probably be completely gone. Fan noise seems less than the Optomas too, even though specs say it should be slightly noisier. Sharpness is great throughout the whole image, the GT1080 had various spots that were out of focus. Changing inputs or resolutions is very quick. I remember reading somewhere that the W1080ST/W1070 was slow when it came to that, but my HT1085ST only takes a couple of seconds when switching inputs/resolutions.

Now for some negative initial observations: Even though it's advertised all over the web as having it, there is NO vertical lens shift! That was one of the main things that made me lean towards getting the HT1085ST over the W1080ST. The front exhaust grill stills leaks light, probably because the case is exactly the same as the W1080ST as far as I can tell. I don't like the lens cap, I'm always worried I'm going to scratch the lens when I put it on, and every time I put it on or take it off it changes the zoom. The package no longer includes a carrying case. The menu is stuck in the middle of the screen, there are no options to move it around so it's easier to see adjustments made to image settings.
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Thanks Matthew K78 for the mini-review, and good to have some one with first hand knowledge of the Optoma units make a comparison.
Good to know that the switching seems to be quicker. Waiting for it to catch up to my PS3 as it flicks the signal on and off is painful. Bad news about the menu being stuck mid screen. On the W1070 I move the menu from corner to corner then into the middle to ensure I have optimized focus across the image.
As for the dust cap, why even bother.
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... Now for some negative initial observations: Even though it's advertised all over the web as having it, there is NO vertical lens shift! That was one of the main things that made me lean towards getting the HT1085ST over the W1080ST. ...
You aren't the first to be taken in by bad information on the internet and you won't be the last. The official BenQ website says nothing about lens shift on the HT1085ST. BenQ only claims keystone correction for the HT1085ST whereas they clearly list lens shift as a feature on the HT1075.

Your misfortune can serve as a lesson to others that it's always risky to believe any product feature claim found on the internet unless it's verified on the manufacturer's official website.
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You aren't the first to be taken in by bad information on the internet and you won't be the last. The official BenQ website says nothing about lens shift on the HT1085ST. BenQ only claims keystone correction for the HT1085ST whereas they clearly list lens shift as a feature on the HT1075.

Your misfortune can serve as a lesson to others that it's always risky to believe any product feature claim found on the internet unless it's verified on the manufacturer's official website.

Ah yes, I'm glad you bring that up Dave. They changed their info on their site less than a week before it started shipping (I pre-ordered a month ago). If you go here you can see the old version (it'll probably change soon so go look now), scroll down to "Flexible Zoom & ...": http://www.visualapex.com/BenQ/Proje...r-The=HT1085ST

Also, they still haven't updated their spec sheet, so on the manufacturer's own site if you go to Downloads -> Data Sheet you'll see vertical lens shift listed in the PDF file (I'm sure they'll change this soon too, so go look while you still can). Even ProjectorCentral is currently listing it as a feature.

I'm pretty happy with the projector overall, but as you can probably tell I'm fairly upset over the misinformation. Vertical lens shift would have been a great upgrade over the W1080ST, especially considering I plan on bringing it with me over to friends' houses. The keystoning is nice to have in difficult situations, but I'll probably use it very rarely since it's digital.

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Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Matthew. I seem to remember the same thing with the W1080ST where initial pre-release spec sheets incorrectly indicated lens shift as well. (Copy/paste fail from the W1070 perhaps.)

If you won't be using horizontal keystone and are otherwise happy with the unit, then consider swapping it out with a seemingly-nearly-identical W1080ST. (I doubt the seller would give you trouble doing an exchange). The latest W1080 firmware (which a new model would come with) does much better with source-searching than early units and you'd save some cash whilst at it. And you'd get the free carry-case

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