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Epson 8350 or Optoma HD131Xe

I got Benq W1070 because of its great reviews and due to my Home Theater room size and the short throw of W1070, I need to return it back.

I am currently looking for other options with appr $1k budget and I thought that the best options are Epson 8350 or Optoma HD131Xe. Let me know which is the best? i need a distance of appr 14' for 110 diagonal screen.

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Once both are set for mostly accurate colors, the 8350/8345 will have a brighter and more accurate picture, but it's hard to say whether or not it'll be a noticeable enough difference. The full-color brightness difference should be noticeable (advantage for the 8345/8350), but a good room and the available gamma control on the Optoma can make a dimmer picture not a big issue.
The Optoma will have advantages for fast-motion, gaming, perfect convergence, 3D, and lamp-life as well as price I believe.

If you are okay giving up the analog inputs, the newer Optoma hd141/hd26 finally added multiple user saveable settings so you can set up one for accuracy and one for watching sports with some lights on.
The upcoming brighter and more accurate hd151/hd36 might also be a possible choice if you can stretch your budget slightly over $1000.

Personally, I can't stand the screendoor pixel look of Epson LCD and would have to go with the DLP, but many don't mind the pixel-gaps as much and are more outspoken of brightness differences.
Actually if you're asking individual opinions, I'd move the mount forward 3ft and keep the w1070, but I'm guessing that isn't an option. Benq really needs a wider release of the longer-throw w1070 (w1400)..and DLPs in general should start putting feet on both the bottom and tops of projectors for rear-shelf mounters.
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8350 for the win I am shooting a 120 image from 19 ft and it look great PLUS lens shift makes it ez for placement.

Epsons warranty/customer service is outstanding read on the forums if your were unfortunate enough to have a problem epson will take care of it.


alot of projector for the money and can be found cheaper if u dig around
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Save a few bucks and go with an Epson 8345. From everything I've read it's identical to the 8350, just a little cheaper.
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Save a few bucks and go with an Epson 8345. From everything I've read it's identical to the 8350, just a little cheaper.
Epson must have built tons of 8350's. That's the only reason i can think of for its continued existence with the 8345 (a newer, less expensive, and less trouble prone version of the same projector) on the market. Get the 8345.
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Once both are set for mostly accurate colors, the 8350/8345 will have a brighter and more accurate picture, but it's hard to say whether or not it'll be a noticeable enough difference. The full-color brightness difference should be noticeable (advantage for the 8345/8350), but a good room and the available gamma control on the Optoma can make a dimmer picture not a big issue.
The Optoma will have advantages for fast-motion, gaming, perfect convergence, 3D, and lamp-life as well as price I believe.

If you are okay giving up the analog inputs, the newer Optoma hd141/hd26 finally added multiple user saveable settings so you can set up one for accuracy and one for watching sports with some lights on.
The upcoming brighter and more accurate hd151/hd36 might also be a possible choice if you can stretch your budget slightly over $1000.

Personally, I can't stand the screendoor pixel look of Epson LCD and would have to go with the DLP, but many don't mind the pixel-gaps as much and are more outspoken of brightness differences.
Actually if you're asking individual opinions, I'd move the mount forward 3ft and keep the w1070, but I'm guessing that isn't an option. Benq really needs a wider release of the longer-throw w1070 (w1400)..and DLPs in general should start putting feet on both the bottom and tops of projectors for rear-shelf mounters.
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8350 for the win I am shooting a 120 image from 19 ft and it look great PLUS lens shift makes it ez for placement.

Epsons warranty/customer service is outstanding read on the forums if your were unfortunate enough to have a problem epson will take care of it.


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Save a few bucks and go with an Epson 8345. From everything I've read it's identical to the 8350, just a little cheaper.
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Epson must have built tons of 8350's. That's the only reason i can think of for its continued existence with the 8345 (a newer, less expensive, and less trouble prone version of the same projector) on the market. Get the 8345.
Thanks for the info guys; What do you recommend among these for almost the same price $899: Epson 8345 or Epson 8350 Refurbished?

I got the Benq W1070 refurb earlier, as several folks specified that Benq refurbs are as good as New. How are Epson Refurbs? Are they good enough?

But 1 quick question: I heard that DLPs (Optoma) are much better than LCDs (Epson); is there any strong reason to consider Epson LCD over Optoma DLP? Please suggest.

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Call electronic expo they give better deals on the phone
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With dlp some people are sensitive to the color wheel
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DLP is generally higher real-world contrast than any LCD under $2000, but the 8345/8350 is one of the few that nearly match DLP contrast. It won't quite match RGB DLPs such as the w1070 or its $1500 brethren, but it'll match the Optoma when they are both set for accurate colors (brilliantcolor set low).

The 8345 is the better of the 8345/8350 because it is the same basic projector except without some of the lamp-life issues that plagued the older 8350.
The 8345 is by far the best performing LCD under $2000 for anyone who can go without 3D.

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Call electronic expo they give better deals on the phone
Called them, they didn't have 8345, and they gave a price of $1099 for 8350, which is $50 higher than Amazon, but $200 cheaper than the price on their website.

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With dlp some people are sensitive to the color wheel
Oh! ok, I tried out the Benq W1070, that was fabulous; I loved it, but short throw has been a major issue.

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DLP is generally higher real-world contrast than any LCD under $2000, but the 8345/8350 is one of the few that nearly match DLP contrast. It won't quite match RGB DLPs such as the w1070 or its $1500 brethren, but it'll match the Optoma when they are both set for accurate colors (brilliantcolor set low).

The 8345 is the better of the 8345/8350 because it is the same basic projector except without some of the lamp-life issues that plagued the older 8350.
The 8345 is by far the best performing LCD under $2000 for anyone who can go without 3D.
Couldn't find 8345 cheaper than $899, I am planning to go with 8350 Refurb for $899, as it has more lumens than 8345. Just thinking on how good the Refurbs are that are directly sold by Epson.

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The manufacturer listed specs are so inflated and exaggerated that they're basically useless. The 8345 and 8350 have been measured several times by several different people and all have found their brightness and contrast to be the exact same between the two.

The only difference is the older 8350 has more dynamic range in its dynamic iris (which only darkens the entire image evenly, doesn't really increase contrast..and only if you like to use the dynamic iris in the first place), and the 8350 had troubles with blowing lamps early that was fixed in the 8345.
The 8345 is the better projector, if anything.
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The manufacturer listed specs are so inflated and exaggerated that they're basically useless. The 8345 and 8350 have been measured several times by several different people and all have found their brightness and contrast to be the exact same between the two.

The only difference is the older 8350 has more dynamic range in its dynamic iris (which only darkens the entire image evenly, doesn't really increase contrast..and only if you like to use the dynamic iris in the first place), and the 8350 had troubles with blowing lamps early that was fixed in the 8345.
The 8345 is the better projector, if anything.
Oh! ok, Thanks for the advice. I will then go with New 8345, instead of 8350 Refurb.

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The manufacturer listed specs are so inflated and exaggerated that they're basically useless. The 8345 and 8350 have been measured several times by several different people and all have found their brightness and contrast to be the exact same between the two.

The only difference is the older 8350 has more dynamic range in its dynamic iris (which only darkens the entire image evenly, doesn't really increase contrast..and only if you like to use the dynamic iris in the first place), and the 8350 had troubles with blowing lamps early that was fixed in the 8345.
The 8345 is the better projector, if anything.
Was looking at the differences between 8345 and 8350 and noticed that the contrast ratio 25k:1 for 8345 vs 50k:1 for 8350? Is that true? If that is the case that is a huge contrast difference, right? Please suggest.

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Was looking at the differences between 8345 and 8350 and noticed that the contrast ratio 25k:1 for 8345 vs 50k:1 for 8350? Is that true? If that is the case that is a huge contrast difference, right? Please suggest.
. I've tested both projectors in a dark room. The average contrast with dynamic iris off and the zoom in the middle of its range was about 900:1 for both projectors. These projectors were tested one after another with the same lamp. (150 hours) The only difference was the slightly brighter dynamic mode on the 8350, (Not really enough to notice without a light meter) and the slightly better contrast numbers using the dynamic iris.
My conclusion was that the lamp brightness and the dynamic iris on the 8345 were both adjusted to prevent the premature bulb burnouts and dynamic iris faults that plagued the 8350. For these reasons, I believe the 8345 to be the better buy.
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. I've tested both projectors in a dark room. The average contrast with dynamic iris off and the zoom in the middle of its range was about 900:1 for both projectors. These projectors were tested one after another with the same lamp. (150 hours) The only difference was the slightly brighter dynamic mode on the 8350, (Not really enough to notice without a light meter) and the slightly better contrast numbers using the dynamic iris.
My conclusion was that the lamp brightness and the dynamic iris on the 8345 were both adjusted to prevent the premature bulb burnouts and dynamic iris faults that plagued the 8350. For these reasons, I believe the 8345 to be the better buy.
Oh! ok, thanks for the update.

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Kesava,
I've mentioned in another thread that the 8345 refurb is only $789 from Visual Apex and comes with the same warranty as a brand new one. Either way, enjoy.

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Thanks for the update!!! Yes, I saw that and also noticed that Visual Apex has a 10 Star rating in Reseller review. Tried looking for any other cheaper prices, but couldn't find refurbs thru any other sellers.

I might be ordering it thru Visual Apex itself.

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The manufacturer listed specs are so inflated and exaggerated that they're basically useless. The 8345 and 8350 have been measured several times by several different people and all have found their brightness and contrast to be the exact same between the two.

The only difference is the older 8350 has more dynamic range in its dynamic iris (which only darkens the entire image evenly, doesn't really increase contrast..and only if you like to use the dynamic iris in the first place), and the 8350 had troubles with blowing lamps early that was fixed in the 8345.
The 8345 is the better projector, if anything.
Hey Ftoast,
What you are saying about the 8345 having a better lamp life, that's exactly what I'm researching. I don't know anyone that got more than 1000 hours out of the 8350. Just curious, where did you learn that the premature lamp burnout issue was fixed in the 8345? I haven't found many testimonials about this anywhere..

Thanks for the scoop!
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I can't speak from experience on that unfortunately, I've heard it mentioned several times and heard users mention it as well, but I've never called Epson about it either. Maybe I'll see what Epson has to say about it over the phone..worth a shot anyway.

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I can't speak from experience on that unfortunately, I've heard it mentioned several times and heard users mention it as well, but I've never called Epson about it either. Maybe I'll see what Epson has to say about it over the phone..worth a shot anyway.
thanks, Ftoast.
I am shopping now. Trying to decide whether to grab the 8345 ($900 on amazon now). but if the lamp issue is still a problem, it'll be an extra $300 on top of that in a year. If the lamp issue was fixed, I'd bite.

Which makes me curious about this new 3000 series coming out. I don't -need- the 3d, but if the lamps are better/cheaper it could be worth the wait..
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Most PREMATURE lamp failures are due to user stupidity. They use their projector like a TV. Projector are not made to be LIKE a TV. They are made to use for maybe 4 to 5 hours max. Best a few days a week. Epson has no reports of premature bulb failing of one model more than another. Many people here spread unproved Rumors. So take them with a grain of salt. If you want something to play games on 10 hours a day and every day get a TV.
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Most PREMATURE lamp failures are due to user stupidity. They use their projector like a TV. Projector are not made to be LIKE a TV. They are made to use for maybe 4 to 5 hours max. Best a few days a week. Epson has no reports of premature bulb failing of one model more than another. Many people here spread unproved Rumors. So take them with a grain of salt. If you want something to play games on 10 hours a day and every day get a TV.
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You make a good point, that projectors must be set up correctly and not abused.
But I personally know a 8350 owner who uses her projector in the manner you describe (only at night, only 3-4 hours at a time) in a well-ventilated position and their lamp died at 1000 hours.
With other user reports, I think it's fair for me to be wary.
Thanks for your input.
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Yes it does happen. All of the Projector companies to me over rate the hours. If I can get a 1000 hours I would be happy. Hell I just hit 600 on my 8350 and that is after 3.5 years. I never came close to a 1000 hours before I upgrade to the next one so the bulb life for me is not a problem' I must be weird I guess.
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But users have been reporting lamp-life up and beyond 6000hours with the w1070 and even up to 2500 with the 8345 and other properly working LCDs, so I'd really want to get past 1000hrs from ANY projector.

Well, crap. I kind of wish I'd never called Epson now.
I got transferred to technical support and asked about differences between the 8350 and 8345 and was told they are the same model, just the 8345 was originally only a Canadian release version.
The tech-support asked if I was an owner or looking to purchase, I told him I was looking to purchase. I then asked about the lamp problems I'd read about and how they were said to be a problem of the projector and NOT the lamp itself. I was told that "we checked the unit and could not find any problem with the projector, so you should make sure you don't have it mounted somewhere hot or humid, because that will affect its lamp time"..
Them having checked my device like that must've been a neat trick seeing how I don't even own one to have sent it in.

The tech I was talking to seemed to speak clear English, so I don't think this was a communication error. It was just really weird and a bit scary.
He seemed adamant about them being the EXACT same model and there being no documented problem with either.
It looks like their phone support is about as good or even slightly less than the other brands I've spoken to.
I'll have to remember to call them sometime again later. I hope this was a fluke.
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But users have been reporting lamp-life up and beyond 6000hours with the w1070 and even up to 2500 with the 8345 and other properly working LCDs, so I'd really want to get past 1000hrs from ANY projector.

Well, crap. I kind of wish I'd never called Epson now.
I got transferred to technical support and asked about differences between the 8350 and 8345 and was told they are the same model, just the 8345 was originally only a Canadian release version.
The tech-support asked if I was an owner or looking to purchase, I told him I was looking to purchase. I then asked about the lamp problems I'd read about and how they were said to be a problem of the projector and NOT the lamp itself. I was told that "we checked the unit and could not find any problem with the projector, so you should make sure you don't have it mounted somewhere hot or humid, because that will affect its lamp time"..
Them having checked my device like that must've been a neat trick seeing how I don't even own one to have sent it in.

The tech I was talking to seemed to speak clear English, so I don't think this was a communication error. It was just really weird and a bit scary.
He seemed adamant about them being the EXACT same model and there being no documented problem with either.
It looks like their phone support is about as good or even slightly less than the other brands I've spoken to.
I'll have to remember to call them sometime again later. I hope this was a fluke.
Thanks for going the extra mile and calling them up, Ftoast.

No documented problem must mean they're not documenting all the reported lamp failures and all the replacement lamps they've been sending out. There's just too many reports out there to deny this.

Again, my friend who owns a 8350 had their lamp fizzle out around 1000 hours and got a replacement.
This follows the other online testimonials precisely.

Hotpepper007 seems to have been very gentle on his/her 8350, but still has only 600 hours to report.

I'd love to bite the bullet and go for the 8345, which has a great price point. But is has only been out for around a year now, so it hasn't had the proper time yet for users to report on lamp failures/successes that the 8350 has.

Without some more evidence that the lamp problem has been fixed, I don't know...
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Thanks for going the extra mile and calling them up, Ftoast.

No documented problem must mean they're not documenting all the reported lamp failures and all the replacement lamps they've been sending out. There's just too many reports out there to deny this.

Again, my friend who owns a 8350 had their lamp fizzle out around 1000 hours and got a replacement.
This follows the other online testimonials precisely.

Hotpepper007 seems to have been very gentle on his/her 8350, but still has only 600 hours to report.

I'd love to bite the bullet and go for the 8345, which has a great price point. But is has only been out for around a year now, so it hasn't had the proper time yet for users to report on lamp failures/successes that the 8350 has.

Without some more evidence that the lamp problem has been fixed, I don't know...
Just asked my neighbor about his 8345 a few minutes ago. He's now up to 1690 hours and his bulb is still putting out a satisfactory amount of light for his setup. He has his projector on a good amount of the day between him, his wife, and his kid. He's run up this amount of hours in just 10 months.
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Yeah, it's the phone techs that get DLP colorwheels and other major facts wrong more often than right, so I'd definitely trust the forum and actual user reports far more than the "support" staff.

Still have to try calling again. Every once in a while you can find the one phonetech who is unusually passionate and involved and dare I say, knowledgeable. I'd also like to believe that those rare folks equally enjoy the occasional call from someone who isn't trying to find the "any" key.

In general though, thank goodness for the internet and anyone who takes time to post their lamp-hours upon death.
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Just asked my neighbor about his 8345 a few minutes ago. He's now up to 1690 hours and his bulb is still putting out a satisfactory amount of light for his setup. He has his projector on a good amount of the day between him, his wife, and his kid. He's run up this amount of hours in just 10 months.
Now that's the info that is helpful, ben38. It's good to hear a number like that. Really makes me wonder if the supposed tweaks to the brightness/contrast that the 8345 stats claim may exist and were done to help lamp life.
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Yeah, it's the phone techs that get DLP colorwheels and other major facts wrong more often than right, so I'd definitely trust the forum and actual user reports far more than the "support" staff.

Still have to try calling again. Every once in a while you can find the one phonetech who is unusually passionate and involved and dare I say, knowledgeable. I'd also like to believe that those rare folks equally enjoy the occasional call from someone who isn't trying to find the "any" key.

In general though, thank goodness for the internet and anyone who takes time to post their lamp-hours upon death.
Hey Ftoast,
Can you make a recommendation for me? I'll definitely need the lens-shift feature.. And my projector will be about 15 feet from the wall. Gaming (Xbox/Wii U) will be a big part of my usage.
I've seen you and ben38 talking about the benq w1070.
I'm only partial to the Epson 8350 (or 8345) because I've seen it in person.
I'm trying to decide if I should go for the 8345, or wait for the 3000 series this month, or maybe even go for the benq. Any thoughts? I appreciate your advice and help.
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Dang ! You expect a lot from people ! I may be too busy when I' m dying to come here and post my lamp-hours !

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