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How does the sony vpl-hw10 compares to the benq w1070?

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How does the w1070 compare to the sony vpl-hw10. I've had the sony for a little over 5 years and I think it's time for an upgrade. The benq is at the right price point. Is the blacks as good or better? How are the colors? Don't really care about 3d. Will be used for movies and gaming. I don't suffer from the rainbow effect.
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I suspect the black levels will be worse.
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I suspect the black levels will be worse.
So it's not much of an upgrade then?
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The w1070 will have nearly twice the calibrated lumen output of the Sony and signifincantly more than that on tap if you have the need and you're willing to sacrifice some accuracy. If the black level isn't quite there you have lumens to burn with an ND filter or screen material change to get the black performance you want. I think it's worth considering, especially if you are coming up on a lamp replacement on your hw10.
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How does the sony vpl-hw10 compares to the benq w1070?

LCoS is arguably the best projection technology out there - but there's no stopping progress, and your unit is old.

Colors are good on the W1070, and its measured contrast will triple your old Sony's. Calibrated brightness is tripled as well, though as BroodishProdigy says, the black level is a step down (which, as he says, can be partly dealt with using an ND filter).
Low lag means gaming is a go. So yeah, it should be an upgrade overall.

I'm not sure what your budget is, but if blacks are really important - and your room is treated (light controlled, dark-colored walls/ceiling/floor), it might also be worth checking out Sony's excellent HW40ES - which proves that LCoS is still right up there with a static contrast ratio that is 10x (!) your current Sony.

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LCoS is arguably the best projection technology out there - but there's no stopping progress, and your unit is old.

Colors are good on the W1070, and its measured contrast will triple your old Sony's. Calibrated brightness is tripled as well, though as BroodishProdigy says, the black level is a step down (which, as he says, can be partly dealt with using an ND filter).
Low lag means gaming is a go. So yeah, it should be an upgrade overall.

I'm not sure what your budget is, but if blacks are really important - and your room is treated (light controlled, dark-colored walls/ceiling/floor), it might also be worth checking out Sony's excellent HW40ES - which proves that LCoS is still right up there with a static contrast ratio that is 10x (!) your current Sony.
Wasn't the40 measured at 5,000:1. So ghe 10 has a 500:1 CR?
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How does the sony vpl-hw10 compares to the benq w1070?

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Wasn't the40 measured at 5,000:1. So ghe 10 has a 500:1 CR?

It was. And the HW10 does have a little under 500:1 in terms of contrast:
http://www.projectorcentral.com/sony...nd-Limitations

This was high back then: but today, less so!
This is also one of the reasons the W1070 would still represent a decent upgrade since it tends to be measured somewhere between 1300:1 and 1900:1.

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It was. And the HW10 does have a little under 500:1 in terms of contrast:
http://www.projectorcentral.com/sony...nd-Limitations

This was high back then: but today, less so!
This is also one of the reasons the W1070 would still represent a decent upgrade since it tends to be measured somewhere between 1300:1 and 1900:1.
That's ANSI brah.


You also realize the chip in that projector is over 10 years old right?
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That's ANSI brah.


You also realize the chip in that projector is over 10 years old right?
I hear you; but remember that historically, DLP used to have an ANSI-Contrast advantage over both LCoS and LCD - and we're talking about an old LCoS unit here.

Today that's no longer the case at all, which is why the HW40ES also comes recommended - and should still offer much, much more contrast (ANSI or otherwise) than the HW10.

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I hear you; but remember that historically, DLP used to have an ANSI-Contrast advantage over both LCoS and LCD - and we're talking about an old LCoS unit here.

Today that's no longer the case at all, which is why the HW40ES also comes recommended - and should still offer much, much more contrast (ANSI or otherwise) than the HW10.
The w1070 should crush an hw10 in ANSI CR. I concede that. He specifically mentioned black levels though, which won't be better and only marginally so on a new 40.

If you really want blacks though, get a jvc. I would imagine the 1070 will pop off the screen significantly better and provide 3d.
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The w1070 should crush an hw10 in ANSI CR. I concede that. He specifically mentioned black levels though, which won't be better and only marginally so on a new 40.



If you really want blacks though, get a jvc. I would imagine the 1070 will pop off the screen significantly better and provide 3d.

Yeah, the black level request was why I initially mentioned the new Sony as well. As you say, the HW40 should more-or-less match the old 10 in terms of black levels whilst still offering notable improvements elsewhere (brightness, color accuracy, good lag, etc).

If a step down in black levels is acceptable to the OP along with improvements elsewhere, then as you say, the W1070 should otherwise offer a nice upgrade at a low price-point. (An ND filter could also help here with black levels, whilst taking contrast even higher).

But if an improvement on the old 10's black levels is sought, and the budget can be stretched even further - and the room is treated - JVC for sure.

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Thanks for the replies guys. Reason I ask also is that from reading the w1070 forums, there appears to be a lot of white crush when there's bright scenes. Don't know if I'm explaining it correctly. Right now I'm projecting on to a 126" carada brilliant white and the sony is bright enough where I have it on low lamp. I'm guessing that screen will be too much gain for the w1070. I really like the film look of the hw10. Before that one I had and still have a planar pd7130 and a samsung sph710ae. I thought those projectors were great. My budget is 600-800 cash as I have a $1000.00 amazon gift card I won at my job. So $1800. How much lumens will be degraded with that nd filter?
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Not sure if it matters, I used to own a HW10 which was whisper quiet, comparing to the newer BenQ W7000. The less expensive 1070 is even more noisier. I still saw RBE in the W7000. The big BenQ is a beast when it comes to brightness; the dynamic iris was noisy too.

However, watching NFL is a pleasure with the W7000 but not movies.
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Not sure if it matters, I used to own a HW10 which was whisper quiet, comparing to the newer BenQ W7000. The less expensive 1070 is even more noisier. I still saw RBE in the W7000. The big BenQ is a beast when it comes to brightness; the dynamic iris was noisy too.

However, watching NFL is a pleasure with the W7000 but not movies.
How's the picture compare to the sony?
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Dose th Benq have RBE also ?
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How's the picture compare to the sony?
I always like the DLP look except for the RBE. For sports, it really does not matter as much. The Sony has a more natural look to me while the BenQ just wows me w/ the bright picture during the afternoon. Granted, the last Sony I've was the HW30, not the older HW10.

Ultimately I settled down for the JVC RS45 for overall viewing experience, with emphasis in sci-fi and action flix.

Do you have any viewing preference?
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Dose th Benq have RBE also ?
I saw it in the W700, so I'm sure ditto for the 1070. I've not seen a DLP w/o RBE yet, but some are less than others. I can live with it but found the dynamic iris and the fan rather noisy, comparing to LCD or LCoS.
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I saw it in the W700, so I'm sure ditto for the 1070. I've not seen a DLP w/o RBE yet, but some are less than others.
The old W700 had a 3x wheel; the W1070 ups that to 5x; so while RBE might be slightly visible to those whom are sensitive, it should be much better than the W700. (The OP did mention RBE was no issue for him, though.)

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The W7000 has a 4x-speed, six-segment color wheel with RGBRGB segments, not 3x.
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How does the sony vpl-hw10 compares to the benq w1070?

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The W7000 has a 4x-speed, six-segment color wheel with RGBRGB segments, not 3x.

It does. But you said W700, not W7000

Just a typo, then! In which case the W1070 should still be a bit better. Though not by much.

Edit: looks like the W1070 is actually a 6x wheel (http://www.projectorcentral.com/info...otout-vs-W1070)... So it likely will still be a significant improvement.

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So what's a gain should the screen be? I have a carada brilliant white 1.4 gain. Guessing it's too much since the w1070 is bright? With the nd filter what size should it be n2 or n4? What mm also? i've seen 77mm, 46mm and so on.
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