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VIVITEK H1188HD and H1186HD 1080P DLP 3D with FI

VIVITEK have annouced two new Home Theater projectors at ISE 2015 in Amsterdam.

The H1188HD (black) and H1186HD will be available next month in Europe (1300€ for the black version and 1200€ for the white one).

http://www.projection-homecinema.fr/...-dlp-1080p-3d/

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Same specifications for both projectors :

Brightness : 2000 lumens
Contrast :15 000:1
Lamp life : 3000 heures (normal)/4000 heures (éco)
DLP : 0.65 pouces
Video treatment : Pixelworks
Color wheel : RGBRGB
Zoom 1.5X
Lens-shift vertical

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Just a Quick info about the H1188HD, we have a game going on here to win a brand new H1188HD :

http://www.projection-homecinema.fr/...er-sur-pjhcfr/

You just have to answer at the 2 following questions :

1) color temp measuremts on future pjhc.fr review about the H1188HD
2) gamma mesurements
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The all new H1188HD have just landed, review will soon follow :

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I'm checking the projection-homecinema forum continuously since you said you received it. The only thing I don't like is the fact that it only has 2000 lumens. Why can't we get more lumens from projectors? Even the new laser models seems to have few lumens. I would like to see a entry budget projector that outputs at least 3000 lumens of correct color. The only one I know that is near that is the HC1200 and we don't have it in Europe.
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Given the amount of visible light leakage from the vents in the first photo this will definately need more than 2000 lumens.
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Is this an HD37 rebadge? Chassis looks very similar.
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First Review about the VIVITEK H1188HD is now online. I really like this projector that is a better choice IMHO than the SONY HW40 or the Optoma HD50 :

http://www.projection-homecinema.fr/...vitek-h1188hd/

https://translate.google.fr/translat...%2F&edit-text=
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Short version 1188:
1.5:1zoom (1.4-2.1:1 throw), vertical offset 120%-148%image height
260watt lamp 3000/4000/5000 full/eco/dynamic-eco lamp claimed hours
Brightness, 1400/1800lumens eco/full max calibrated
Contrast, 1600:1native/3700:1dynamic
Input-lag, 119ms/68ms standard/game

Produces a smooth, natural image that is free of additional noise or artifacts. Out-of-box best image mode was listed around 7,300k white-balance I think..but otherwise spoken well of.

Fan-noise is very quiet in eco, but fairly loud in dynamic-eco and full at about 10db+ louder.

Focus and CA were excellent..particularly given the price.
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I'm not personally sure how this would outrate the hw40 which is quieter, more flexible, equally bright, sharp, shows less input-lag, and measures around 3X higher contrast...but it looks like a decent alternative to the w1070/1075 for non-gamers who don't mind paying a bit more in exchange for 2D-3D and CreativeFrameInterpolation...if it becomes more widely available as the 1186 which may lack CFI.

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Seems DOA to me......way under spec'd As far as DLP Projectors go it's just average. And at 1100 Euros it ain't cheap either.

It's just small that's just about all.

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Short version 1188:
1.5:1zoom (1.4-2.1:1 throw), vertical offset 120%-148%image height
260watt lamp 3000/4000/5000 full/eco/dynamic-eco lamp claimed hours
Brightness, 1400/1800lumens eco/full max calibrated
Contrast, 1600:1native/3700:1dynamic
Input-lag, 119ms/68ms standard/game

Produces a smooth, natural image that is free of additional noise or artifacts. Out-of-box best image mode was listed around 7,300k white-balance I think..but otherwise spoken well of.

Fan-noise is very quiet in eco, but fairly loud in dynamic-eco and full at about 10db+ louder.

Focus and CA were excellent..particularly given the price.
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I'm not personally sure how this would outrate the hw40 which is quieter, more flexible, equally bright, sharp, shows less input-lag, and measures around 3X higher contrast...but it looks like a decent alternative to the w1070/1075 for non-gamers who don't mind paying a bit more in exchange for 2D-3D and CreativeFrameInterpolation...if it becomes more widely available as the 1186 which may lack CFI.
They are some errors on your resumee. 3678:1 onff is the native contrast ratio. 1587:1 is an intra image measure (black field with a white box in the center).
The brightness is also better on the Vivitek in comparaison with the hw40 (low lamp) and the shaprness also.
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Hi kraine,

How does it stack up against the Benq W1070. I enjoy reading your reviews thanks.

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Hi kraine,

How does it stack up against the Benq W1070. I enjoy reading your reviews thanks.
Hi jsil,

The Vivitek play in a higher League mainly because of his Pixelworks video treatment. The BenQ didn't have the FI
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Great review, as always, kraine. Thank you for sharing it.
Now we just have to see what the new BenQ model (W1110) brings to the table and see if the VIVITEK worth the extra money.
I'm counting on you to be the first to review the BenQ because you are always one step ahead of everyone. I always read your forum because is were all the juicy news appear first.
Continue with the great work.

I have one question about VIVITEK. I saw the 3D tests and in the left image you can see a bit of ghost. How is the image when watching a movie? I really hate ghost in the image, it annoys me very much and give me headaches.
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Great review, as always, kraine. Thank you for sharing it.
Now we just have to see what the new BenQ model (W1110) brings to the table and see if the VIVITEK worth the extra money.
I'm counting on you to be the first to review the BenQ because you are always one step ahead of everyone. I always read your forum because is were all the juicy news appear first.
Continue with the great work.

I have one question about VIVITEK. I saw the 3D tests and in the left image you can see a bit of ghost. How is the image when watching a movie? I really hate ghost in the image, it annoys me very much and give me headaches.
Thank you for your kind comments CARTmen. About ghosting it's invisible when you watch a movie.
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They are some errors on your resumee. 3678:1 onff is the native contrast ratio. 1587:1 is an intra image measure (black field with a white box in the center).
The brightness is also better on the Vivitek in comparaison with the hw40 (low lamp) and the shaprness also.
Would you mind doublechecking the on/off measurement with emphasis on making sure the lamp isn't dynamically affecting the image?

Native contrast numbers should look very similar to measurements taken using a smallish white square on a black background...there being over a 2X difference indicates a dynamic lamp action happening.

..That, and there aren't any DLPs hitting almost 4000:1 native contrast, certainly not at this price, so there has to be a mistake.

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The Vivitek plays in a higher League mainly because of its Pixelworks video treatment. The BenQ didn't have the FI
How do they compare when playing "director intended" style video without any software created smoothing or contouring?

Easy $25 DIY black (or any color) ALR paint +$40-$50sprayer screen mix smooth/clean and very easy to learn spraying with little/no mess.
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First Review about the VIVITEK H1188HD is now online. I really like this projector that is a better choice IMHO than the SONY HW40 or the Optoma HD50 :

http://www.projection-homecinema.fr/...vitek-h1188hd/

https://translate.google.fr/translat...%2F&edit-text=
Wow, a breath of fresh air in the affordable DLP camp. I am not surprised that it is this good as the pixeworks video processing is known to be very capable. A 1587:1 intra-scene contrast is aweinspiring.

The Vivitek H5080 also uses a variation of the Pixelworks processing and had may reviewers mistakenly believing that it had a dynamic iris implementation when it didn't and had a measured contrast ratio of 10000:1.

It will still be good to hear whether the H1188HD's contrast was measured using the smarteco mode. Given the high intra scene contrast I am inclined to believe this was achieved in normal eco lamp mode.

Question: how was the stage presentation mode in terms of light output and what was the throw distance that was used for the reference readings?

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Would you mind doublechecking the on/off measurement with emphasis on making sure the lamp isn't dynamically affecting the image?

Native contrast numbers should look very similar to measurements taken using a smallish white square on a black background...there being over a 2X difference indicates a dynamic lamp action happening.

..That, and there aren't any DLPs hitting almost 4000:1 native contrast, certainly not at this price, so there has to be a mistake.
Native higher than a DC4 .95 Planar/Runco and intrascene higher than the SonyVW1100?

I'd like to see a 2nd set of measurements using a lab calibrated meter.

The light leakage out the front vent would light up my HP screen in low APL scenes.
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Thanks a lot for review. Frustrated by the input lag.
Maybe H1186HD will be better.
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We just need to know when the U.S. is going to have this in stock.
Bestbuy had the 1186 on sale last week for 599.99
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I know that this is one of the last things a lot of people here care but have you tried the 2D to 3D conversion? If you haven't tried can you try it and tell us what do you think?
Is the projector going to be more available on the next few weeks? I just can find one webpage with it and the price is 1500€.
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Hi, I just bought the 1186 projector on Saturday when Best Buy was selling it for $599 (their deal of the day). I bought the open box one for $544 (including taxes). Got a quick question, I don't see anywhere but can this projector do 2D to 3D conversion?
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Hi, I just bought the 1186 projector on Saturday when Best Buy was selling it for $599 (their deal of the day). I bought the open box one for $544 (including taxes). Got a quick question, I don't see anywhere but can this projector do 2D to 3D conversion?
It has the DLP Link feature and should be able to provide 3D playback. I recall that 3D playback was also covered in the above review.
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@LumenChip : yeah, it has 3D Playback but curious if it can convert any 2D source to 3D like few Panasonic and Samsung blu-ray players and also like some other projectors like Oproma HD37? or is 3D playback same as 2D to 3D in this projector?
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@kraine , thanks for the review. Did you research about replacement lamps for these projectors (especially 1186), either original or thirdparty? They are not easy to find and if I find, thy are very expensive.
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One thing to keep in mind about this projector is a three year warranty per Vivitek's website. 1 year for the lamp.

It isn't clear to me what the difference between the 1186 and 1188 is. If someone can enlighten me it would be appreciated. And any info on the color wheel speed?
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One thing to keep in mind about this projector is a three year warranty per Vivitek's website. 1 year for the lamp.

It isn't clear to me what the difference between the 1186 and 1188 is. If someone can enlighten me it would be appreciated. And any info on the color wheel speed?
It's basically the frame interpolation between the 2 models.
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I ain't sure about the color wheel speed either.

Just FYI, I wanted to find out about the price of the lamp for the 1186 so I called the vivitekstore number (1-866-561-9195) earlier today and the agent told me that the 1186 that's being sold on bestbuy is specially made for bestbuy. Maybe that's why I see 15,000:1 as contrast ratio on just bestbuy.com, everywhere else it's 50,000:1. Agent also told me that the lamp in USA 1186 model is different compared to Eu model. Funny thing is that initially she was firm that there is no 1186 model in USA. I requested and walked her through their VivitekUSA website to prove that it's released here in USA, then she did some research and gave me above information.

I will receive mine tomorrow and will let you guys know if the specs are any different compared to the Eu model.

Eu 1186 Datasheet: http://www.vivitek.eu/Files/DataShee...0Datasheet.pdf

Eu 1188 Datasheet: http://www.vivitek.eu/Files/DataShee...sheet%20EN.pdf

USA 1186 Datasheet: http://www.vivitekusa.com/productdet...&vertical_id=2 under Downloads tab
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It's basically the frame interpolation between the 2 models.

The 1186 also appears to only be available in white, while the 1188 appears to be available in black.
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I ain't sure about the color wheel speed either.

Just FYI, I wanted to find out about the price of the lamp for the 1186 so I called the vivitekstore number (1-866-561-9195) earlier today and the agent told me that the 1186 that's being sold on bestbuy is specially made for bestbuy. Maybe that's why I see 15,000:1 as contrast ratio on just bestbuy.com, everywhere else it's 50,000:1. Agent also told me that the lamp in USA 1186 model is different compared to Eu model. Funny thing is that initially she was firm that there is no 1186 model in USA. I requested and walked her through their VivitekUSA website to prove that it's released here in USA, then she did some research and gave me above information.

I will receive mine tomorrow and will let you guys know if the specs are any different compared to the Eu model.

Eu 1186 Datasheet: http://www.vivitek.eu/Files/DataShee...0Datasheet.pdf

Eu 1188 Datasheet: http://www.vivitek.eu/Files/DataShee...sheet%20EN.pdf

USA 1186 Datasheet: http://www.vivitekusa.com/productdet...&vertical_id=2 under Downloads tab
I was in desperate need of a new long throw projector (1.5x zoom) so I just bought the H1186-WT from amazon for $950 including shipping (H1188 was my first option but there is no ETA for US yet).

Well I thought this was a good deal until I came across this thread and saw the +$300 savings bestbuy had last week! The UPC number is the same all over the net: 813097020611

Is it really possible Bestbuy has an exclusive version? How can I be sure I'll get the "50k:1" version vs the "15k:1" ?


I recently installed the Benq Ht1075 in another room (which I do consider a good price/performance value). This Vivitek is meant to replace a Viewsonic pro8200 which just died.
Can't wait until October for new PJ's offerings. If I cancel my order I don't think I could get a better PJ for less than 1k but I now I have buyers remorse
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