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BenQ W1110 1080P entry level DLP projector

We already know the name from the W1070+ successor, it will be the W1110.

http://www.projection-homecinema.fr/...seur-du-w1070/

This 1080p DLP will be 3D Ready with DLP-Link connection. It will keep almost all the options integrated in the W1070+ but with a all new design.

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1080P
DLP 144HZ
2000 Lumens
2 HMDI and one MHL
Color Wheel RGBRGB
Availibility october 2015
Price TBE around 850€
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Only 2000 lumens? The w1070+ have 2200. It's a shame because in an 150 inch screen the extra lumens would be great for 3D. I was expecting more.
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Only 2000 lumens? The w1070+ have 2200. It's a shame because in an 150 inch screen the extra lumens would be great for 3D. I was expecting more.
A 10% difference in lumens is practically invisible to the human eye, and both the previous Benq's (1070 and 1070+/1076) measured closer to 1800lumens.
1800Lumens is enough to make 27ftL on a 150" screen.

If Benq keeps the accuracy and contrast along with the 6X speed at 24/60Hz 5x at 25/50Hz, the slightly lower starting price can't hurt.

If they manage to squeeze in a little more shift or zoom while keeping the original ranges of 1.15-1.5:1 and 5%-15% offset, or perhaps decided to add CFI and 2D-3D without increasing input-lag when disabled, I can't see anyone complaining.

The w1075/1070+ and older 1070 already compete well outside of their prices..add a couple of the $1500+ range features they're missing and it'll only become more of a juggernaut.
I expect it only to be a price dropped same-story however..there's little incentive for them to add anything the competition isn't touching even at a higher price.

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A 10% difference in lumens is practically invisible to the human eye, and both the previous Benq's (1070 and 1070+/1076) measured closer to 1800lumens.
1800Lumens is enough to make 27ftL on a 150" screen.

If Benq keeps the accuracy and contrast along with the 6X speed at 24/60Hz 5x at 25/50Hz, the slightly lower starting price can't hurt.

If they manage to squeeze in a little more shift or zoom while keeping the original ranges of 1.15-1.5:1 and 5%-15% offset, or perhaps decided to add CFI and 2D-3D without increasing input-lag when disabled, I can't see anyone complaining.

The w1075/1070+ and older 1070 already compete well outside of their prices..add a couple of the $1500+ range features they're missing and it'll only become more of a juggernaut.
I expect it only to be a price dropped same-story however..there's little incentive for them to add anything the competition isn't touching even at a higher price.
I completely agree with you, but 2500 lumens like the HC1200 wouldn't hurt the new models.
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An HC 1200 equivalent is missing in Europe, so a launch of that would be welcome.
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I completely agree with you, but 2500 lumens like the HC1200 wouldn't hurt the new models.
The 2500lumens comes from a hotter/louder, lower hours lamp-life, more expensive 310watt bulb.
It would mean a hotter, louder, lower life-span, more expensive projector.

I do think it'd be great to have the hc1200 available more widely for anyone needing its extra brightness..but I'm glad it's a separate model.

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I completely agree with you, but 2500 lumens like the HC1200 wouldn't hurt the new models.
Benq need to add some degree of lens shift capability to the HC1200 for those who need the light output, the W1110 is fine as is.
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And what do you think this models are going to bring to the table?
I'm hoping to have 2D to 3D converter, CFI and some kind of image quality enhancement.
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And what do you think this models are going to bring to the table?
I'm hoping to have 2D to 3D converter, CFI and some kind of image quality enhancement.

Ok, now I understand your position. The only problem is, once the lumen output starts going up, so will the black levels and the W1110 seems to be targeting the broader home entertainment market while the H1200 seems to be targeted at the purist.
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From what I understand, the W1075 is just a minor improvement over the w1070. Will the w1110 be the same kind of thing of only doing a minor tweak (e.g. sales of the w1070/w1075 is great, so don't chance the secret sauce too much)??

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Still waiting for a DLP projector with 1080p60 capabilities in 3D, >1500 lumen in Eco mode, low input lag and RF-compatibility...
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So this doesn't seem anything worth waiting for, than buying a W1070+ today. unless am missing something?
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If the W2000 doesn't have FI it's logic that W1110 won't have it either. So maybe this year the award go to the entry level projectors of Epson (2040 and 2045).
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Why is FI so important?
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Why is FI so important?
Because 24hz movies are blurry as hell, and on a projector it gets tiresome watching blur-fests where as soon as thing start moving things get nasty.

FI is especially important in 3D as it makes everything seem more solid and the 3D effect is MUCH better.

It's important for projectors to have it built-in, because as much as I love SVP, it's buggy and crashy as hell, and anyway since HDMI 1.4a (which is what most projectors accept), cannot handle 1080p/60/3D (frame packed Bluray 3D signals increased from 24hz to 60hz at full resolution), it means you have to rip your own 3D Blurays to SBS or O/U formats, do the interpolation using SVP. So you trade off 1/2 resolution for 2+ times the frames, which is kind of a step forward and a step back at the same time (resolution matters on large projected images).

Having the FI in the projector is a huge benefit in terms of convenience, and ability to play back both 2D and 3D Bluray sources (like from an Xbox One or PS4 or a lower end PC), since SVP takes a lot of GPU horsepower and that means I can't use my cheaper PC to play back shows. In short, it sucks. There's also the problem of anarmorphic stretch mode not working on frame packed 3D formats, which AFAIK none of the BenQ projectors can do. At least not the low end ones. Which means I can't use my anamorphic lens with 3D movies, and again, I have to rip them first. And I hate doing that because it's a huge pain in the rear. I pay for my movies and all this encryption nonsense makes my life harder. It's actually simpler for me to buy the Bluray, then download the 3D SBS rip from an illegal source, than it is for me to do all that work myself. And half the time the ripping software doesn't even work.
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Why would anybody drop a few grand on a lens, then hook it up to a >$1000 budget dlp?


Like spending 5k on rims for you 500 dollar car.
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Why is FI so important?
I'll take the opposite stance of RLburnside; FI isn't important..it looks poor during movies and changes the visual intent, broadcast sports can already show in higher framerates beyond 24, and DLP doesn't suffer motion-blur or stuttering like other display types (aka the other types for which FI was originally invented to try to match DLPs) and proper 3D with a fast enough shutter rate should look smooth without it. FI (unlike actual increased frame-rates using actual frames) can also LOSE small details instead of increasing the amount of detail.

BUT, it's one of the few things the w1070/1075 doesn't already have. One small bit of ground that it doesn't already cover. So it's one of the few things that could be meaningfully added to it for some people to enjoy and without increasing the cost of building it.

The other is creative 2D-3D conversion. True it's not as good as actual 3D, true many people don't even care about actual 3D, but once again..it's a cheap software upgrade for the most part that a few people will enjoy.

The real trick seems like it'll be adding FI and 2D-3D without increasing input-lag for those still looking for a gaming projector. If lag isn't an issue, the Vivitek 1188 already has filled in these things at this price-point and will have better motion, cleaner 3D and higher contrast than any inexpensive Epson LCD.
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I'll take the opposite stance of RLburnside; FI isn't important..it looks poor during movies and changes the visual intent, broadcast sports can already show in higher framerates beyond 24, and DLP doesn't suffer motion-blur or stuttering like other display types (aka the other types for which FI was originally invented to try to match DLPs) and proper 3D with a fast enough shutter rate should look smooth without it. FI (unlike actual increased frame-rates using actual frames) can also LOSE small details instead of increasing the amount of detail.

BUT, it's one of the few things the w1070/1075 doesn't already have. One small bit of ground that it doesn't already cover. So it's one of the few things that could be meaningfully added to it for some people to enjoy and without increasing the cost of building it.

The other is creative 2D-3D conversion. True it's not as good as actual 3D, true many people don't even care about actual 3D, but once again..it's a cheap software upgrade for the most part that a few people will enjoy.

The real trick seems like it'll be adding FI and 2D-3D without increasing input-lag for those still looking for a gaming projector. If lag isn't an issue, the Vivitek 1188 already has filled in these things at this price-point and will have better motion, cleaner 3D and higher contrast than any inexpensive Epson LCD.
The only problem with vivitek 1188 is you can't find one outside France.
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The only problem with vivitek 1188 is you can't find one outside France.
That's what I was afraid of..I couldn't remember where it was and wasn't available, but it looks like the unavailability is largely "everywhere".
And it sounds like the 1186 lacks those software extras making it basically a slightly less accurate w1070/1075 with slower input-lag and a longer throw...and the 1186 is listed as not having any lens-shift (vertical nor horizontal).

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My wife and I both hate Frame Interpolation and the soap opera effect it creates. In 3D I turn it to low but hate it on 2D.

My other complaint is that there is a ton of content that is actually worse because of frame interpolation.

We once tried a DirecTV on demand movie and it was completely unwatchable without FI because they had motion compressed the video so much that it shuttered. Then we turned on FI and it smoothed out but the "unnatural motion" was very bad because of it.

House Hunters which of course not a show I would normally watch on the big screen but it is an example of the widespread adoption of FI making content crap. Without FI House Hunters is pretty horrible even on a 32" TV, I am not sure if they just have horrible camera equipment or if they do a huge motion compression. Every time that show pans across a room it gives me a headache due to the motion shutter...

FI generally does more harm than good IMO not only with the degraded content we get now due to companies turning it on by default allowing more motion compression compounded with people starting to think the weird fake interpolated motion is normal.

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I'll take the opposite stance of RLburnside; FI isn't important..it looks poor during movies and changes the visual intent, broadcast sports can already show in higher framerates beyond 24, and DLP doesn't suffer motion-blur or stuttering like other display types (aka the other types for which FI was originally invented to try to match DLPs) and proper 3D with a fast enough shutter rate should look smooth without it. FI (unlike actual increased frame-rates using actual frames) can also LOSE small details instead of increasing the amount of detail.

BUT, it's one of the few things the w1070/1075 doesn't already have. One small bit of ground that it doesn't already cover. So it's one of the few things that could be meaningfully added to it for some people to enjoy and without increasing the cost of building it.

The other is creative 2D-3D conversion. True it's not as good as actual 3D, true many people don't even care about actual 3D, but once again..it's a cheap software upgrade for the most part that a few people will enjoy.

The real trick seems like it'll be adding FI and 2D-3D without increasing input-lag for those still looking for a gaming projector. If lag isn't an issue, the Vivitek 1188 already has filled in these things at this price-point and will have better motion, cleaner 3D and higher contrast than any inexpensive Epson LCD.

FI was a gimmick to sell tvs.

When that wore off 3D was a gimmick to sell tvs.

2 gimmicks don't make a feature. Home 3D is pretty much a failure, companies have moved on to 4K to drive revenue as 99.999% of the people out there don't really care about FI or 3D.
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FI was a gimmick to sell tvs.

When that wore off 3D was a gimmick to sell tvs.

2 gimmicks don't make a feature. Home 3D is pretty much a failure, companies have moved on to 4K to drive revenue as 99.999% of the people out there don't really care about FI or 3D.
I can't really disagree with you there.

My LG has great 3D and surprisingly fun 2D-3D as well, I like it and don't suffer from any problems relating to 3D...yet I've STILL only used it a handful of times.
It also has a flexible version of FI that I have never been able to like.

That said, if a manufacturer is adding goofy gizmos without hurting PQ or adding lag or increasing price..cool. I'm sure a couple people will like it and I'll probably try them once or twice.
Pay extra, lose PQ or increase lag?..no thanks, I'll take the old version or buy from someone else. And I like to believe the majority of informed consumers would feel the same.

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FI was a gimmick to sell tvs.

When that wore off 3D was a gimmick to sell tvs.

2 gimmicks don't make a feature. Home 3D is pretty much a failure, companies have moved on to 4K to drive revenue as 99.999% of the people out there don't really care about FI or 3D.
Well, I have to disagree with you on that. There are a lot of people that likes 3D and FI. When 3D movies are well made, it gives you a sense of presence that you can't get with the 2D version.
Maybe both features are a gimmick to you, but accurate color can be a gimmick to a daltonic person. Either way, if you have a projector with accurate color it won't make affect negatively the image that the daltonic sees and you will be happy. The same thing happens with 3D because you only turn it on if you want.
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Well, I have to disagree with you on that. There are a lot of people that likes 3D and FI. When 3D movies are well made, it gives you a sense of presence that you can't get with the 2D version.
Maybe both features are a gimmick to you, but accurate color can be a gimmick to a daltonic person. Either way, if you have a projector with accurate color it won't make affect negatively the image that the daltonic sees and you will be happy. The same thing happens with 3D because you only turn it on if you want.
Disagree all you want but the industry has spoken, and you are the minorirty. 3D is effectively dead in the home st this point.
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Disagree all you want but the industry has spoken, and you are the minorirty. 3D is effectively dead in the home st this point.
People that own a projector are a minority compared with those who have TVs. Each year we see more and more brands stop selling projectors. So using your logic, projectors are dead in the home, no?
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People that own a projector are a minority compared with those who have TVs. Each year we see more and more brands stop selling projectors. So using your logic, projectors are dead in the home, no?
Pretty accurate. It's a dying market in the US.
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So maybe this year the award go to the entry level projectors of Epson (2040 and 2045).
It's starting to look that way. So far I'm not impressed with the W1110. As more reviews coming in we'll see if that changes any.

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Not really. I work in a store that sells both TV's/Projectors and we have people coming in everyday asking about it. 3D is more dead in the actual theaters, but in the home it's alive and doing well for many people. People mostly don't like wearing the glasses but new tech will fix all of that in the coming years. Now if you want to talk about a real gimmick there's always curved TV's

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It's starting to look that way. So far I'm not impressed with the W1110. As more reviews coming in we'll see if that changes any.



Not really. I work in a store that sells both TV's/Projectors and we have people coming in everyday asking about it. 3D is more dead in the actual theaters, but in the home it's alive and doing well for many people. People mostly don't like wearing the glasses but new tech will fix all of that in the coming years. Now if you want to talk about a real gimmick there's always curved TV's
Well glasses free tv isn't for projectors, and are there any models of 4k that offer it. Most 4k tv's offer 3d as a side note feature down in the bottom. It's dead.

http://www.techradar.com/us/news/hom...-3d--1295453/1
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http://jonnegroni.com/2014/02/12/why...ty-fast-death/
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http://thenextweb.com/insider/2015/0...rved-displays/
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http://gizmodo.com/3d-tv-is-dead-let...ext-1677633906
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http://www.itworld.com/article/28720...v-make-it.html


There are millions of more analysts writing the same articles, you know how to google. It's dead.
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Well glasses free tv isn't for projectors
Not commercially today, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist, or isn't being developed. There have been many advances in autostereoscopy in the past several years. Several technologies are being developed. MIT Media Lab is developing a new 3D video projection system (that doesn't require any glasses) and it even provides different users a different perspective angle of the same object. All of these technologies plus compressive light field projection prove that 3D is anything but dead.
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