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I also wanted to add that color brightness.com is a great site. Looking at the specs for the Benq HT-1075 and the Epson HC-3500 explains why I felt the colors with the Benq HT-1075 were in my opinion dull with no pop. Albeit it witb sfrong black levels for it's price point. With the Epson the colors are so much more vibrant albeit with lighter Black levels. Love the website.



Epson HC-3500 listed at 2500 lumens color brightness and 2500 lumens white brightness. Benq HT-1075 listed at 1390 lumens color brightness and 2200 lumens white brightness.



And the Benq HC-1200 listed at 1740 lumens color brightness and 2800 lumens white brightness.

It's a useful site; but it's owned by 3LCD (which is owned by Epson).
They don't actually measure color brightness of their own projectors (or those projectors that supply their own color brightness ratings; such as LCoS models). In those cases, they simply use the manufacturer-listed claim.

So while it's useful, it has its limits.
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It's a useful site; but it's owned by 3LCD (which is owned by Epson).
They don't actually measure color brightness of their own projectors (or those projectors that supply their own color brightness ratings; such as LCoS models). In those cases, they simply use the manufacturer-listed claim.

So while it's useful, it has its limits.
Woah. I did not know that.

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Something I have been wondering about is why there only seems to be gray market Sony HW40es projectors sold on eBay. Why do you never see gray market sellers for the Epson 5030UB? Why do these kind of sellers only buy the Sony right off the ship coming from China but not the Epson?
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Something I have been wondering about is why there only seems to be gray market Sony HW40es projectors sold on eBay. Why do you never see gray market sellers for the Epson 5030UB? Why do these kind of sellers only buy the Sony right off the ship coming from China but not the Epson?
Are Epson's policies related to dealers as stringent?
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Are Epson's policies related to dealers as stringent?
Not sure. That is also a good question. Just makes me wonder why the gray market sellers focus on the Sony so much but completely ignore buying Epson projectors off the container boats coming in from China.
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The specs on the Epson HC-1440 are 99% identical except for the pixel count which is odd. The HC-1440 is also being as a 1080p product however the specs list it as 16:10 just like it's business twin the Powerlite 1980-WU. Epson needs to be clearer with the specs on this unit.
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Ordering the Sony HW40es on Monday. Will report back how it performs when paired with a brightness devouring Black Diamond screen.
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Ordering the Sony HW40es on Monday. Will report back how it performs when paired with a brightness devouring Black Diamond screen.
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Ordering the Sony HW40es on Monday. Will report back how it performs when paired with a brightness devouring Black Diamond screen.
I'm considering selling the ht1075 and buying HW40es instead. Please let me know how the Sony compares to the ht1075/HC1200 based on your experience.
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I'm considering selling the ht1075 and buying HW40es instead. Please let me know how the Sony compares to the ht1075/HC1200 based on your experience.
Yes sir I will.
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Have you tried out the new espson 2040 or 2045
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Have you tried out the new espson 2040 or 2045
No sir. Neither one is bright enough for my use.
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There is one positive review already for the Epson HC-1440 on Best Buy.com. The reviewer's comments pretty much mimic what I stated about the Epson Powerlite 1980WU. Great picture. Very good sharpness. Superb colors and excellent brightness for TV shows, sports and daytime scenes with movies. Though low contrast is the trade off.
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so good news and bad news...

the hc-1200 pooped the bed... the left side became super dim and the fan started rattling - no clue what happened... i contacted amazon and they were able to accept a return even though ive had it for 2 months

good news is i picked up an Epson 3500 for just a little bit more than what i payed for the benq and i enjoy the picture quality and brightness far better. A bonus is that the fan on high lamp is quieter than the the hc1200 on eco!

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so good news and bad news...

the hc-1200 pooped the bed... the left side became super dim and the fan started rattling - no clue what happened... i contacted amazon and they were able to accept a return even though ive had it for 2 months

good news is i picked up an Epson 3500 for just a little bit more than what i payed for the benq and i enjoy the picture quality and brightness far better. A bonus is that the fan on high lamp is quieter than the the hc1200 on eco!

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Sorry to hear about that unfortunate situation. But it turned out to be a blessing for you in the end. I do feel the Epson HC-3500 is a step up from the entry level Benqs. I know some people will disagree but these are usually the guys going by specs only. The difference in color vibrance, clarity,and brightness is easy to distinguish between the Epson HC-3500 and the Benqs by anyone who has seen both in person.

If the Sony does not work out, I'm going back to the HC3500 or the HC-1440. Either way, I'm done with Benq.

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so good news and bad news...

the hc-1200 pooped the bed... the left side became super dim and the fan started rattling - no clue what happened... i contacted amazon and they were able to accept a return even though ive had it for 2 months

good news is i picked up an Epson 3500 for just a little bit more than what i payed for the benq and i enjoy the picture quality and brightness far better. A bonus is that the fan on high lamp is quieter than the the hc1200 on eco!

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That's kinda sad. I had the same problem happen with the HC-1200 after I used it for 2 weeks. Left side became visibly dimmer than the right and then I returned it. Gonna be trying out a Sony HW55es which I picked up for $1870 @ fleabay.
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If you haven't already, could BOTH of you, hypez604 and bouf0010, mention the problem in the hc1200 thread as a possible warning/defect?

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Sorry to hear about that unfortunate situation. But it turned out to be a blessing for you in the end. I do feel the Epson HC-3500 is a step up from the entry level Benqs. I know some people will disagree but these are usually the guys going by specs only. The difference in color vibrance, clarity,and brightness is easy to distinguish between the Epson HC-3500 and the Benqs by anyone who has seen both in person.

If the Sony does not work out, I'm going back to the HC3500 or the HC-1440. Either way, I'm done with Benq.
I cant wait to hear your thoughts about the sony. Ive learned in this process that benq is a great way to dip your toes in the projector pool - they have lots of features spread out through various projectors so you can kinda narrow down what you like. As soon as you need specific requirements (long throw, high lumen, low fan noise) they seem to fall short one way or another.





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That's kinda sad. I had the same problem happen with the HC-1200 after I used it for 2 weeks. Left side became visibly dimmer than the right and then I returned it. Gonna be trying out a Sony HW55es which I picked up for $1870 @ fleabay.

I guess people using them for business arent as picky?? Or just dont notice maybe? Who knows.




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If you haven't already, could BOTH of you, hypez604 and bouf0010, mention the problem in the hc1200 thread as a possible warning/defect?
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Sony HW40es due to be delivered tomorrow. I'm UBER excited!
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Received the Sony HW40es this morning. Just finished watching X-MEN Days of Future Past with it. Here are my thoughts:

Color accuracy out of the box is astonishingly good for this price point. Picture quality with Reality Creation on is amazing. Picture quality definitely suffers when Reality Creation is turned off. I just can't get over how good the details are in the picture now.

I see texture in clothing, skin, etc that I've never seen before on my other projectors and even my TVs for that matter. The brightness was a real shocker for me. It definitely appears brighter than my Benq HT-1075.

The color brightness seems as good as the Benq HC-1200 and the Epson HC-3500 but with less white brightness. I heard so much about how this unit will not look much better than a Benq W1070 due to my "terrible" room having white walls, reflection, and with some ambient light coming from my floor lamp.

I found this to be outright bullfeces. The Sony looks much, much better than any of the Benq models I owned with this movie. Especially the Benq HT-1075 whose colors appear downright dull in comparison to the Sony. Benq HT-1075's picture overall was dimmer than the Sony to my eyes.

Perceived contrast also seems much better in my eyes with the lights on and definitely with the lights off. The Sony's picture is so natural, smooth, and sharp.

It is very balanced with no major flaws that stick out to me. With that being said, the fan on high is definitely audible and not whisper quiet as many have described.

I love the look of Cinema Film 1 setting for movies. For TV shows and sports I'm using game mode on low lamp setting. I was definitely shocked by how bright the game mode setting was. Had to tame it a bit by going with low lamp instead of high lamp setting. The Sony HW40es paired with the contrast and ALR ability of the 1.4 gain of the Black Diamond screen is a match made in heaven in my eyes.

I really hope this thread will help some potential buyers. I'm the type of guy that likes to get out and compare products first hand before I give an opinion. If I went by the prevailing opinion in this forum, I would have simply gotten a entry level Benq and nothing else due to my room being less than HT friendly. Many of the people pushing this opinion have not seen any of the latest offerings in a typical living room, yet they are dissuading potential buyers based on specs alone.

I believe this is disingenuous and could be robbing consumers of a superior home entertainment experience. I know I would be missing out big time had I stuck with the Benq and never tried any other projectors in my room.

I also want to add the Epson HC-3500's picture quality is fairly close to what I'm seeing with the Sony, albeit with lower Black levels. But using the Epson HC-3500 with a darker screen like the Black Diamond helped it's black levels tremendously in my opinion.
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Received the Sony HW40es this morning. Just finished watching X-MEN Days of Future Past with it. Here are my thoughts:...
Thanks for the review, very insightful. I have a Ben-Q W1070 that is my first projector and I'm very happy with it, and I've been curious about what higher-end projectors have to offer, but don't have the ideal room conditions stated here and other AV forums. Will definitely consider the HW40ES the next time they go on sale.
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I really like the Epson HC-3500. But the Sony's well rounded performance fulfills almost all of my needs. So I believe I am going to keep the Sony. I like it more than the Epson by this much............
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The color brightness seems as good as the Benq HC-1200 and the Epson HC-3500 but with less white brightness. I heard so much about how this unit will not look much better than a Benq W1070 due to my "terrible" room having white walls, reflection, and with some ambient light coming from my floor lamp.

I found this to be outright bullfeces. The Sony looks much, much better than any of the Benq models I owned with this movie. Especially the Benq HT-1075 whose colors appear downright dull in comparison to the Sony. Benq HT-1075's picture overall was dimmer than the Sony to my eyes.

The Sony HW40es paired with the contrast and ALR ability of the 1.4 gain of the Black Diamond screen is a match made in heaven in my eyes.

I really hope this thread will help some potential buyers. I'm the type of guy that likes to get out and compare products first hand before I give an opinion. If I went by the prevailing opinion in this forum, I would have simply gotten a entry level Benq and nothing else due to my room being less than HT friendly. Many of the people pushing this opinion have not seen any of the latest offerings in typical living room, yet they are dissuading potential buyers based on specs alone.
Actually the facts DO claim the Sony can be very bright, just like the Benq but with full colorbrightness, so listening to measurement is a good thing.

The reason why the Sony isn't typically suggested for a poor room is because of budget or room constraints.
Most people asking for a simple familyroom setup don't also quote a $3500-4000 budget for the hw40 and BlackDiamond.

While those that do trend toward that budget typically have some space that can be decently treated or at least painted to make use of something even prettier like a JVC!

Your findings that a bright projector on a dark+highgain ALR screen can look good in a weak room aren't atypical. ...your budget is.
Heck, the Sony is over the budget titled in this thread!
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@Swolephile take a look here: http://www.chromapure.co.uk/files/VP...est%20(V2).pdf

on the last page they post full calibration settings
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Ftoast beat me to it. You should realize that most people suggest the BenQ over the Sony in an untreated room because we assume it will not be paired with Black Diamond. Your arrangement is a bit unique.
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Heck, the Sony is over the budget titled in this thread!
That's not so true. HW40es has been selling on fleabay for $1540 for quite some time now. That's for a new projector from a non-authorized dealer. Heck I managed to grab a mint HW55es for $1870 which is almost within the thread topic budget
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@Swolephile take a look here: http://www.chromapure.co.uk/files/VP...est%20(V2).pdf

on the last page they post full calibration settings
Hell just put it in reference mode. Hardly any need for anything else...at least on a white screen... Hard to say what the Black Diamond does to the image... But in any case those settings weren't made with that screen either.
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