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Hey Bahn here, just chiming in. After playing around with the projector this weekend I have found that the input delay is excellent. After playing Uncharted Remastered on PS4 via HDMI I found that the controls were tight and responsive. For a more rigorous test I connected Dreamcast via VGA, and it looked phenomenal. Playing Twinkle Star Sprites with a friend, I had absolutely no problems with lag or syncing. I've been keeping it in ECO mode due to the very obnoxious fan in normal mode. You lose some lumens and brightness, but during watching a movie the silence is welcomed.

As gaming is concerned, this projector is definitely worth the money. As for movie watching, the frame interpolation leaves much to be desired. During the opening scenes of The Dark Knight you see plenty of artifacting even when set to low. Black levels are sub-par at best and pale in comparison to my old Epson 8500UB. Tomorrow I will be getting my 3D glasses and I will have further thoughts with 3D after viewing a few movies. Stay tuned.
If you don't find yourself using the CFI and would like to have the possibility of deeper blacks/contrast from something that costs the same and games just as well, you might also take a look at the inexpensive DLPs like the Benq w1070/1075 and Vivitek 1186.
Otherwise that 2040 is one of the best 3D LCDs available for gaming speed.
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Hey guys,

Can anyone tell me if this would be an upgrade to my current Panasonic AE-2000U?

The Panny is ready for a new lamp but is now closing in on 5 years old. I can't afford to put another $1500-2k on a projector upgrade, but if a lamp replacement is over $300, maybe this route will give me a brighter, better picture along with 3D capability considering how old the Panny is, which I love.

Any thoughts?

Thanks!
The 2040 would be a step back in contrast, pixel-fill and mounting flexibility.
-If you don't mind losing a great deal of contrast and flexibility, Epson 2040.
-If you don't particularly care about gaming or the $99 lamp, Epson 3000.
-If you can afford to lose 3D, Epson 8345r...if you can find one.
-If you don't mind DLP, Benq w1070/1075 or Vivitek 1186.
-If you're using a screen under 120" and can use an UltraShort, LG pa1000.

All of the above cost under $1000 except the LG which is LED and doesn't require replacement lamps or power-up/down time.
All of the above feature 3X-5X higher contrast than the 2040 which will allow them to avoid being such a step backwards from your Panasonic.
The Epson 8345r and 2040, Benq w1070/1075 and Vivitek 1186 are more responsive for gaming than the Panasonic (if that matters).
Only the 8345r has the serious flexibility that the Panasonic offered.
The Benq, LG and Vivitek offer better motion-handling and higher pixel-fill than the Panasonic.
The Epson 2040 boasts the least expensive lamp besides the LG.

The Panasonic measured about 350lumens in accurate presets, 600 in calibrated natural-bright and over 900 at colder natural on a fresh lamp.
Near the lamp end you are likely seeing 200-500lumens.
The LG can hit only 700-900lumens but doesn't dim significantly with age.
The 8345r measures fairly close to the Panasonic.
The others all measure around 1100+eco/1600+full in accurate settings or a little higher in brighter settings.

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Did you see any ghost in the 3D image?

Not really, very solid (stable) pictures. I can see ghost playing 3D movies without using the glasses. I also watched a little 3D from HBO 3D on demand via FIOS. I will look for ghost and let you know if I see any. I may have to wait until 31 October...
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Not really, very solid (stable) pictures. I can see ghost playing 3D movies without using the glasses. I also watched a little 3D from HBO 3D on demand via FIOS. I will look for ghost and let you know if I see any. I may have to wait until 31 October...
Thank you very much @z_zk_z . The ghost is my main concern and I wouldn't like to buy the projector and couldn't use it for 3D because of the ghost.
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I've decided after fighting with the idea of a BenQ to go with the 2040.

Question is, short of going to BB and paying $50 extra for the Miracast I won't use (the $200 GC offer has expired as well), Does anyone know when we'll actually be able to buy this thing? It's been on backorder for nearly a month now.
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I've decided after fighting with the idea of a BenQ to go with the 2040.

Question is, short of going to BB and paying $50 extra for the Miracast I won't use (the $200 GC offer has expired as well), Does anyone know when we'll actually be able to buy this thing? It's been on backorder for nearly a month now.
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^ Did the GC offer expire already? Dang it I should've pulled the trigger.
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^ Did the GC offer expire already? Dang it I should've pulled the trigger.
Expired, I know...same.

There IS however a $150 GC offer on the old 2030 FWIW
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Do you know when it expired? I wonder if they could somehow backtrack a special like that with a manager approval.
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Do you know when it expired? I wonder if they could somehow backtrack a special like that with a manager approval.
10/10/2015 was the last day.
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Do you know when it expired? I wonder if they could somehow backtrack a special like that with a manager approval.
10/10/2015 was the last day.
Could anyone with BB know-how shed light on this?
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Here's my update:

I received the BenQ HT1075 today and out of the box, it offers better contrast/ black levels compared to 2045. Still, I think it is not anywhere close to what am used to from Plasma television sets. However, comparing HT1075 and 2045, I think am going to return the 2045. I have few more days left on the BB return policy, I will get an opportunity to watch these projectors side by side. But I can already see why people prefer DLP in this price range.

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any response or input on how people prefer to set their frame interpolation?


Curious as to what people prefer for action movies? Pixar/Disney type movies? 3D movies?
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Here's my update:

I received the BenQ HT1075 today and out of the box, it offers better contrast/ black levels compared to 2045. Still, I think it is not anywhere close to what am used to from Plasma television sets. However, comparing HT1075 and 2045, I think am going to return the 2045. I have few more days left on the BB return policy, I will get an opportunity to watch these projectors side by side. But I can already see why people prefer DLP in this price range.

Thanks @Ftoast , @steve1106 .
I picked up the 2045 yesterday and have had good time to test it and compare it to my W1070. The $200.00 gift card expired and ticked me off so the manager took $100.00 off the price! Anyway, the 2045 is a GREAT projector it easily wins... feature wise, I really really liked it, BUT it just cant compete "all around" picture wise with my BenQ.

- 3D is MUCH better with the 2045, I used the Samsung 3D glasses: I loved the Dynamic 3D: it's color and brightness blew away my BenQ. Totally different league, no cross-talk either.

- The 2045 is a brighter projector: The Bright Cinema is awesome in a well lit room. Loved it! This projector was designed for ambient lit rooms and kicks @ss. Beat the W1070 here too.

- I wish I could combine the 2045's features (CFI, 3D, Miracast) into my W1070 it is really a great projector.

---- The W1070 has better colors, blacks, motion handling, just all around more of a "natural" picture. Enjoyed testing it tonight as well as yesterday and watching my Steelers win a thriller in San Diego.

---- If you are watching a football game or movie on the W1070 the grass in greener, uniforms look better, skin tones look better, motion has more of a realistic feel. I really did notice it now that I had both these great projectors in my living room. IF I could afford to keep both: The 2040 would be daytime or 3D use, The W1070 would be the movie night boss.

So, the 2045 is going back to the store. I wanted the newer features, cheap bulbs, 2 year warranty of the Epson.....BUT I have to go with the superior picture of the W1070. I hope this helped and If anyone has any questions I will be happy to answer them.

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any response or input on how people prefer to set their frame interpolation?


Curious as to what people prefer for action movies? Pixar/Disney type movies? 3D movies?
I was left a tad unimpressed by the CFI: It was GREAT for TV ...but watching movies from my server to my Kodi box it kept stuttering and falling behind.....was pretty awful. Weird, I know.
I'm also spoiled by SVP (Smooth Video Project) this software is unbeatable still. Watching CFI on my fiancees 55" Sanyo TV and this 2045 projector reaffirmed that. I don't use any Blu_ray or DVD players so I can't compare those.
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@Jiminheimer thanks for the impressions. Could you tell me what is the size of your screen? I have a 140 inch screen and I'm worried that the brightness from the BenQ isn't good enough for 3D.
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@Jiminheimer thanks for the impressions. Could you tell me what is the size of your screen? I have a 140 inch screen and I'm worried that the brightness from the BenQ isn't good enough for 3D.

I have a 100" Elite Screens fixed frame screen. If your mainly a 3D guy, get the 2040/2045. The RF technology along with the glasses was a better experience IMO. The BenQ is fine but the 2045 knocked it out of the park.
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I picked up the 2045 yesterday and have had good time to test it and compare it to my W1070. The $200.00 gift card expired and ticked me off so the manager took $100.00 off the price! Anyway, the 2045 is a GREAT projector it easily wins... feature wise, I really really liked it, BUT it just cant compete "all around" picture wise with my BenQ.

- 3D is MUCH better with the 2045, I used the Samsung 3D glasses: I loved the Dynamic 3D: it's color and brightness blew away my BenQ. Totally different league, no cross-talk either.

- The 2045 is a brighter projector: The Bright Cinema is awesome in a well lit room. Loved it! This projector was designed for ambient lit rooms and kicks @ss. Beat the W1070 here too.

- I wish I could combine the 2045's features (CFI, 3D, Miracast) into my W1070 it is really a great projector.

---- The W1070 has better colors, blacks, motion handling, just all around more of a "natural" picture. Enjoyed testing it tonight as well as yesterday and watching my Steelers win a thriller in San Diego.

---- If you are watching a football game or movie on the W1070 the grass in greener, uniforms look better, skin tones look better, motion has more of a realistic feel. I really did notice it now that I had both these great projectors in my living room. IF I could afford to keep both: The 2040 would be daytime or 3D use, The W1070 would be the movie night boss.

So, the 2045 is going back to the store. I wanted the newer features, cheap bulbs, 2 year warranty of the Epson.....BUT I have to go with the superior picture of the W1070. I hope this helped and If anyone has any questions I will be happy to answer them.
I agree with these observations. I lit up both projectors side by side and the difference is visible; in colors, black levels and contrast. It is advantageous to have $99 replacement bulb and a great warranty but I think picture quality is the ultimate decision point. BenQ looks definitely better in every sense. And, I don't get paid by DLP industry. This is my first projector after all.
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I have a 100" Elite Screens fixed frame screen. If your mainly a 3D guy, get the 2040/2045. The RF technology along with the glasses was a better experience IMO. The BenQ is fine but the 2045 knocked it out of the park.
The Vivitek 1186 allows both DLPlink and an external emitter with its VESA port. The emitter is an additional ~$100 (though I've also heard they can be significantly less, the $99 is pretty standard), but considering the Vivitek can cost $100 less than the 2040 it works out pretty evenly.
The brightness will be dependant on your 3D settings as well as glasses where DLPlink is dependant on the glasses alone (which can make a huge difference...hence a dedicated thread for them, at least with the Benq).

Even then, the 2040 does have a slightly higher measured peak-brightness which can never hurt with 3D.

The Epson 3000/3500 might also be worth a good look if the added price and input-lag in games doesn't put it off the list. The 3000/3500 is even brighter than the 2040 while having roughly similar contrast as the DLPs.

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I agree with these observations. I lit up both projectors side by side and the difference is visible; in colors, black levels and contrast. It is advantageous to have $99 replacement bulb and a great warranty but I think picture quality is the ultimate decision point. BenQ looks definitely better in every sense. And, I don't get paid by DLP industry. This is my first projector after all.
That's a bit of a pity. Actually when I first read the review I posted above, my first thought was "Man, Epson should do a line of DLP projectors. They'd murder the competition". The only flaws identified in both reviews were related to this imaging tech. They own 3LCD so I'm sure they have a lot of R&D invested in it (and they also have a lot of anti-DLP marketing: hands up if you've chuckled at their "9 our of 10 people prefer images from 3LCD Projectors Compared to Leading 1-Chip DLP!" adverts - presumably not too many of those they surveyed hailed from these forums )
Still, this is likely the reason why all other manufacturers have moved away from 3LCD (either to DLP in the lower-end of the market; or to variations of LCoS at the higher end).

Epson's size, research capabilities, value proposition and overall product output would make for an insanely performant DLP product line if they ever feel the temptation to try it out.

Also they've got so many other things right here - lag, lamp cost, warranty, service, feature-set... this is really the last (albeit important) item on the checklist.


In your comparison, what was SDE like (ie, gaps between pixels) when comparing the two? I wonder if this is something that they've improved?

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I agree with these observations. I lit up both projectors side by side and the difference is visible; in colors, black levels and contrast. It is advantageous to have $99 replacement bulb and a great warranty but I think picture quality is the ultimate decision point. BenQ looks definitely better in every sense. And, I don't get paid by DLP industry. This is my first projector after all.

My "paid comment" was mainly for the people who go to Amazon reviews and post in the Epson reviews to buy BenQ, (and a few members). I never have an issue with a person owning both projectors and picking the other one. As I have said, one size does not fit all and I seriously considered the BenQ as a second projector, it just didn't work for me since I use mine as a TV and the thing is on all the time. With my level of wear and tear, I needed lower cost of ownership offered with the better warranty and $99 lamps. (It is the same thing that keeps me from closing the deal on the $1700 plus a lamp Epson HC5025.) Hopefully the brands will keep pushing each other and entry level cost (projector, features, lamps, warranty) will continue to get better while image quality goes up.

Please post your experience with the BB return policy.

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I have a 100" Elite Screens fixed frame screen. If your mainly a 3D guy, get the 2040/2045. The RF technology along with the glasses was a better experience IMO. The BenQ is fine but the 2045 knocked it out of the park.
Thanks for taking the time to answer. I'm still waiting to see the reviews on the new BenQ w1110 (European model) and after that I will decide which to buy.
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I'm still waiting to see the reviews on the new BenQ w1110
Same here. I'm leaning toward the 2040, especially if I can find one at a good price point. I'm betting Micro Center offers it at 699 -749 in the next few weeks. I check the Internet everyday for the best pricing. Projector People had it for 699 with an additional $25 off coupon, but they are out of stock.
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Thank you Jiminhiemer and drramki for the comparison reviews. Very helpful.

It's interesting that pjcentral seems to like the PQ of the 2040 as much or more than the BenQ's in some respects.** I wonder if they set up/ calibrated it differently.

I had an early LCD panasonic projector, then an entry level Runco DLP that was given to me. Not having viewed a newer LCD, my leaning as far a PQ is concerned, was toward DLP. The simple utilitarian / affordability of the the 2040 with it's cheap replacement lamp is very attractive however. I guess I'll hold off until there are some reviews of the new BenQ's in this price range, then decide if I still want to take a 2040 home from BB for a trial in my HT.

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Got home late last night and finally tested out the 3D with Despicable Me Blu-Ray. I've watched this disc plenty of times on my old Samsung LED DLP and I must say without a shadow of a doubt this projector smashes it in terms of resolution and motion. Unfortunately CFI is disabled in 3D, but the very low latency of this projector eliminated ghosting for me and the shutter glasses(using the EPSONs) brought the black levels lower due to the dimming of the picture without color loss. I was quite impressed and have decided to keep this projector.

Let's be clear here, this is a $800 item which is strong in certain aspects. It would be foolish to expect it to compete with much higher end equipment. Still it does excel in certain areas and if that's what you're going for(in my case gaming and 3D) then at its current price it's a bargain.

On a scale of 1 - 10 I'd give it
Clarity/Resolution: 9 (Crisp 1080p and decent scaler for VGA Dreamcast Source)
Contrast/Black Levels: 6 (Washed out blacks, decent color saturation and temps)
Features: 8 (medicocre CFI, Excellent 3D, 2D/3D Conversion, Miracast/MHL, WLAN)
Input Lag : 10 (THE Gaming Projector for under $1000)
Noise/Heat: 10 for ECO, 5 for Normal (ECO is whisper quiet but Normal sounds like a PC PSU)
Portability/Ease of setup:10 (Small and only 6 lbs you can pretty much take it anywhere. Decent keystoning options make it a cinch to setup)
Price: 10 ($800 with various deals. I paid $850 from Best Buy and got a $200 gift card...a steal of a deal)

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Let's be clear here, this is a $800 item which is strong in certain aspects. It would be foolish to expect it to compete with much higher end equipment. Still it does excel in certain areas and if that's what you're going for(in my case gaming and 3D) then at its current price it's a bargain.
That about sums it up. The BenQ is a little better at black levels but the Epson is better at pretty much everything else. Input lag and 3D are incredible for what 2040 cost, and speaking of cost the $99 bulb replacement (Amazon/B&H has them for $73) is pretty sweet too.

Anyone test the difference in heat output levels between the Epson and the BenQ? It's been my experience that DLP gets pretty hot, so I'm guessing the BenQ gets hotter during use.
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Thank you Jiminhiemer and drramki for the comparison reviews. Very helpful.

It's interesting that pjcentral seems to like the PQ of the 2040 as much or more than the BenQ's in some respects.** I wonder if they set up/ calibrated it differently.

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"We are anxious to see how these new models stack up against the surprisingly robust Epson 2040, which outperforms the BenQ HT1075 and HT1070 in several important respects including brightness, image clarity, detail definition, and image depth/three-dimensionality." Evan Powell Editor

brightness...(Yes) , image clarity...(NO), detail definition...(NO), and image depth/three-dimensionality....(Yes)

^ This is comparing to my W1070 he was half right IMO.
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brightness...(Yes) , image clarity...(NO), detail definition...(NO), and image depth/three-dimensionality....(Yes)



^ This is comparing to my W1070 he was half right IMO.

How many hours were on each projector's lamp, though?

They lose about half their original brightness by manufacturer-listed lamp life; and about 10-20% after the first 300 or so hours.

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How many hours were on each projector's lamp, though?

They lose about half their original brightness by manufacturer-listed lamp life; and about 10-20% after the first 300 or so hours.
If you are asking me?...On my W1070: about 2000 hours, and of course the 2045 is new. My BenQ was never near as bright as the 2045 even when new. Especially 3D.
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Same here. I'm leaning toward the 2040, especially if I can find one at a good price point. I'm betting Micro Center offers it at 699 -749 in the next few weeks. I check the Internet everyday for the best pricing. Projector People had it for 699 with an additional $25 off coupon, but they are out of stock.
Google is showing a site called avadars with the epson 2045 for $552 with 5 in stock. No reviews though; sounds fishy?
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Google is showing a site called avadars with the epson 2045 for $552 with 5 in stock. No reviews though; sounds fishy?
It appears to be a scam site. They only accept gift cards as forms of payment. There are also faked post and faked youtube videos claiming the site is good, but they were all recently made. I would not buy from any company that is not already firmly established.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Scams/comme...cz/avadarscom/

Domain name is owned by this company;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ENom

I called Epson directly and learned that they could NOT verify if they were an authorized Epson reseller.
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