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For ps4 gaming, movie watching from a PC (via direct hdmi connection or miracast/wifi or chromecast), wii gaming, cable TV, and PC games from laptop in that priority order would you recommend this? Not looking to spend much (the 2045 version of the projector is $850 with $200 GC from best buy atm). The other option is the Epson HC2000 for $499 (but I read the input lag on that particular model wasn't good).. Thoughts?
Movies are going to be the weak link. The low contrast ratio is very evident with dark films and the grey letterboxes can be a bit distracting on wide-screen movies. But I think it would do very well with the other uses you describe. I tested with UVerse cable, Fallout 4 via PC and a bluray player. All looked good. Just read up on the placement limitations. You have no lens shift and very little zoom so depending on your room you may not be able to get the exact screen size you want.
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For ps4 gaming, movie watching from a PC (via direct hdmi connection or miracast/wifi or chromecast), wii gaming, cable TV, and PC games from laptop in that priority order would you recommend this? Not looking to spend much (the 2045 version of the projector is $850 with $200 GC from best buy atm). The other option is the Epson HC2000 for $499 (but I read the input lag on that particular model wasn't good).. Thoughts?
On the HC2000 you switch the mode from fine to fast for gaming but the quality of the image drops. On the contrast, soundandvision.com puts the native contrast at around 325:1 vs the 2045 (per projectiondream.com) at around 372:1. With the auto iris on the 2000 will be around 1170:1 vs the 2045's 5032:1. For gaming the auto iris should be turned off to get the least lag, so the native contrast is about the same. The difference is the 2045 is faster and will have a higher quality image think 1080 vs 720. Then it comes down to the 2045 having more features and a better auto iris contrast.

So if price is a factor, keep in mind the HC2000 has been as low as $469 (Amazon lightning deal) and could go lower soon. Having two of the HC2000s I think it is worth a try if the price gets close to $400.

I do a 169 inch image on one and a 120 inch on the other. One has right at 4150 hours and the other might have 30 at the most. For us, the contrast is not an issue and we like the horror films which tend to be dark. I have more of an issue when the image on the screen is both bright and dark. That is when the contrast really takes a hit.



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I no longer have the 2030 for direct comparison but I feel like the 2040 takes less of a picture quality hit in Fast mode than I remember with the 2030. The 2030 was a bit of a muddy mess in Fast mode.
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I no longer have the 2030 for direct comparison but I feel like the 2040 takes less of a picture quality hit in Fast mode than I remember with the 2030. The 2030 was a bit of a muddy mess in Fast mode.
I just checked mine using the standard Comcast HD signal and "fast" is not that bad on the 2000. Much better than standard definition but not as good as a good HD signal. Reminds me of the hit I take on some of the football games which is a step or two down from the usual HD.

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Greetings, yes the epson 2045 is currently 849.99 with a promotional $200 gift card from best buy (US). I don't know how long it will last, maybe even only tonight! Assuming I can't get the deal by the time I decide, it seems like the 2040 (699.99) makes the most sense (since I already own a chromecast). My laptop also supports Miracast. Not sure how "good" it is, and if you can reliably transfer HD content + audio...

I have an old Dell 3200MP that I bought like..12+ ? years ago. I found that projector to be acceptable at the time (I still have it, but sadly the M1-A signal port overheated and broke so I can't really plug anything into it anymore). I currently use a 50" plasma in the living room. The throw distance is about 11 feet and I will have darkness (thanks to some ridiculously expensive shutters we installed).

Hmm, but it not doing well with movies/dark films might be a deal breaker.. AMartin56, are you referring to both models? I see you posted on the BenQ HT1075 vs Epson 2045 post. Would you recommend the BenQ? (799 on amazon).

Steve1106: If I don't drop it from fine to fast, is there a noticeable input lag? My PC monitor has 1ms input lag (asus rog swift) so I'm a bit of a snob, but I never had input lag problems with the 3200mp (wouldn't be surprised if it was bad). If the game looks like a not-quite-good HD signal, that seems like a huge tradeoff.

Price is a factor only in that in my "advanced" age, I hate spending on tech for features I don't need or devices I may not end up using. Plus I just had a +1 last month That's why the HC2000 is attractive to me. It's cheap enough to not feel guilty if I don't end up using it. At the same time I couldn't justify the Sony HW40ES (which seems to be highly regarded here but may not project a big enough image with my 11 feet).

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Also, in terms of lens shift and lack of zoom. It will be in the middle of my living room (between two couches underneath probably on a coffee table type thing). That should be okay, right? Or does the projector need to be at the level of the bottom of the display (meaning, do I need it up a few feet more?)?
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Also, in terms of lens shift and lack of zoom. It will be in the middle of my living room (between two couches underneath probably on a coffee table type thing). That should be okay, right? Or does the projector need to be at the level of the bottom of the display (meaning, do I need it up a few feet more?)?
The Benq set on a table will look best positioned a couple inches below the bottom of the screen while the Epson will look its best a few inches above the bottom of the screen when set in a table.

The Benq w1070/1075 for $500-700 will give very low input-lag without degrading the picture and it has a significantly higher contrast for movies and games.

The Epson 2040 can also have very low input-lag without degrading the image, but the lower contrast and less flexible mounting ability might get in the way..and considering the prices, there isn't much difference there.

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Great, thanks for the info Ftoast!

I read on projector central that the w1070 has 24ms input lag and the 1075 has 49.7 but that "the accuracy of our lag tests has also increased since 2012 so it is possible that the "increase" isn't one at all.".. More things to think about!! arg
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Great, thanks for the info Ftoast!

I read on projector central that the w1070 has 24ms input lag and the 1075 has 49.7 but that "the accuracy of our lag tests has also increased since 2012 so it is possible that the "increase" isn't one at all.".. More things to think about!! arg
There's very little difference between the w1070 and w1075, so it's typically fine to simply get whichever you can find for the lower price..but generally the w1070 is a hair better and a little cheaper.

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Steve1106: If I don't drop it from fine to fast, is there a noticeable input lag? My PC monitor has 1ms input lag (asus rog swift) so I'm a bit of a snob, but I never had input lag problems with the 3200mp (wouldn't be surprised if it was bad). If the game looks like a not-quite-good HD signal, that seems like a huge tradeoff.

Price is a factor only in that in my "advanced" age, I hate spending on tech for features I don't need or devices I may not end up using. Plus I just had a +1 last month That's why the HC2000 is attractive to me. It's cheap enough to not feel guilty if I don't end up using it. At the same time I couldn't justify the Sony HW40ES (which seems to be highly regarded here but may not project a big enough image with my 11 feet).

Thanks for the feedback!
One of the reviews put it at 32ms on fast with the auto iris turned off. About the time we got the projector, the kids headed off to college and the only playing we have done is the South Park Stick of Truth game which took part of a weekend.

The black level would probably be the deal breaker for you, but the warranty and replacement lamp cost is nice, as well as, the fact that after the two year warranty is up, the projector is disposable at $400ish.

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Hi,
I have a 92 inch diagonal screen and have an old Panasonic 100AU projector that I want to replace with either a 2040 or a 2045. The screen is 16.2 feet away from the projector which is ceiling mounted. Would this projector work for that set up?

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I have a 92 inch diagonal screen and have an old Panasonic 100AU projector that I want to replace with either a 2040 or a 2045. The screen is 16.2 feet away from the projector which is ceiling mounted. Would this projector work for that set up?

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Not with that screen. Look at the throw distance calculator for Epson at Epson or projectorcentral.com. You could probably do a (plus or minus) 170 inch screen at that distance.

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Epson arrived two days ago and I have a question to the other owners. My PJ gets HDMI video range horribly wrong. When I connected it for the first time, my PC was transmitting RGB in limited mode (16-235), yet PJ auto detected it as RGB extended. The image was just washed out. Then I switched to RGB 0-255 on my PC via NVIDIA control panel and PJ detected it as RGB limited, giving a very dim image. Maybe it has something to do with Displayport-HDMI configuration I'm using. Anyway, even limited-limited settings on both sides give a much better contrast, than the wrongly detected range.
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Epson arrived two days ago and I have a question to the other owners. My PJ gets HDMI video range horribly wrong. When I connected it for the first time, my PC was transmitting RGB in limited mode (16-235), yet PJ auto detected it as RGB extended. The image was just washed out. Then I switched to RGB 0-255 on my PC via NVIDIA control panel and PJ detected it as RGB limited, giving a very dim image. Maybe it has something to do with Displayport-HDMI configuration I'm using. Anyway, even limited-limited settings on both sides give a much better contrast, than the wrongly detected range.
You might try turning Super White on. Mine won't display over 235 with it off.
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Not with that screen. Look at the throw distance calculator for Epson at Epson or projectorcentral.com. You could probably do a (plus or minus) 170 inch screen at that distance.
I already have the 92 diag screen. If not the 2040, what would be the best projector at a $500-$800 price point?
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You might try turning Super White on. Mine won't display over 235 with it off.
It ain't that (Super White was turned off the whole time), maybe it s language barrier - being unspecific and so on. Example: I know that my PC is set to 16-235, I connect it to PJ and turn the power on. I go into the setting: Signal > Advanced > HDMI Video Range. When I switch between Automatic and Extended I see no difference, hence I presume it is detecting range wrongly. Then, when I switch to Limited, image becomes way more vivid. The other way around goes for 0-255 on PC and Automatic on PJ. Ind the end I got huge improvement in contrast, by switching to 0-255 on PC and manually to Extended on projector.
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Today is a good day to purchase a new lamp for your projector at the Epson Store (Epson.com). It's back in stock and there is a 15% off Black Friday code.

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So I bought this PJ today put just over 4 hours on the lamp and got a auto Iris eror PJ won't work anymore anybody got dat!!!! I am pissed I have ben waiting 3 YEARS to buy a PJ....
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So I bought this PJ today put just over 4 hours on the lamp and got a auto Iris eror PJ won't work anymore anybody got dat!!!! I am pissed I have ben waiting 3 YEARS to buy a PJ....
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I was going to replace my GT750 with the HT1075 but this projector has me interested as well. I think it would work with my room requirements, but I"m wondering can I power by wireless HDMI off the USB port? I'm assuming yes but wanted to check. its a dvdo air. The major thing that has me concerned is that it says for HDMI connection, it automatically sets the aspect ratio to the source material. I only watch using HTPC with KODI or MPC-HC. With my current projector, I can pick any aspect ratio I want which is standard aspect if the movie is 1.85 to 1, but I would stretch it vertically if it is 2.35-1. If its going to limit my freedom doing that, then this will not work for me. Can anyone confirm? And is the 3d any good, I watch a lot of 3d.

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I auditioned the HC2040 and tried my BenQ Wireless HDMI using the USB port on the Epson - worked just fine.
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Long time lurker, but a quick Q - I'm still not clear on whether the 2040's input lag is based on fast/fine mode differences compared to the 2030. On the 2030 you pretty much have to use fast mode to get lag down to acceptable levels for gaming, and I'm not sure if you have to do the same for 2040 or if you can just leave it in fine mode (or if it's simply a case of the fast mode for 2040 taking less of an image hit than the fast mode on the 2030). Anyone? It's a dealbreaker/maker thing for me since I do a lot of gaming on my projector.
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This review says 25ms as long as you don't use FI. They make no mention of Fast mode. http://www.projectorcentral.com/epso...040-review.htm
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Hi, I just joined this forum because I purchased the Epson 2040 yesterday after reading through all the posts. I previous borrowed a friends older Optoma HD20 and thought the image was great. But this Epson went on sale and the low cost of bulb replacement attracted me. After 1 evening with it and adjusting everything I could find, I must say I cannot tolerate the image and am pretty sure I'll be returning it. I should mention that I am projecting on a white wall. I know from my reading here that the black level would be a weakness but I never imagined it would be this bad. It is literally half as black as my friends DLP Optoma. So I guess I am just not a fan of the LCD limitations with light leakage. It is however a very bright image which is nice if you have ambient light which exceeds the washed out blacks which may be good for some people but if you want to turn out the lights and do up a real cinema experience, this will not do it on a white screen. So now, before I jump too quick, I was thinking I should experiment with some very dark screens to see if I can get the blacks down since the projector is quite bright and I can afford to lose some overall brightness as well. I guess ultimately I just wanna go out and get the Benq 1070 or Optoma HD26 but I'm thinking if I can make this one work well enough, I'll have the advantage of cheap replacement bulbs.

I also read somewhere that LCD is prone to longer term image degredation? Kinda where the surface of the lcd's are getting "burned"? Is that true?

What do ya guys think? SHould I just pack it up or do I have a chance to get a good contrast level with dark screen?

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I know from my reading here that the black level would be a weakness but I never imagined it would be this bad. It is literally half as black as my friends DLP Optoma. So I guess I am just not a fan of the LCD limitations with light leakage.

I also read somewhere that LCD is prone to longer term image degredation? Kinda where the surface of the lcd's are getting "burned"? Is that true?

What do ya guys think? SHould I just pack it up or do I have a chance to get a good contrast level with dark screen?

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The black level WILL be darker on an entry level DLP. But as you saw bulbs can be more expensive and some people will see RBE. But if you don't on your friend's Optima you should be fine.

I've never heard of burn in with LCD. Not sure what you mean. They can develop dust blobs which can mess with uniformity on dark scenes but are otherwise as reliable as anything and some DLPs can develop dust blobs as well. I also don't know what you mean by light leakage...the 2040's angled exhaust vent actually makes the 2040 better than some entry level projectors in this regard.

It sounds like you are a DLP fan. I would suggest trying out one of those. Single chip DLP gives me headaches so I really like what my 2040 brings to the table and I will rarely if ever use it in a cave where the lack of contrast will be extremely evident (that's what my 40ES is for!).
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J, all the professional reviews I've read say the 2040 has worse black levels than the best entry level DLP projectors, but certainly not as bad as "half as black." Are you sure all conditions and settings on your 2040 are as optimized as your friend's DLP? Have you tried it in Cinema mode with Eco lamp and dynamic iris engaged? A grey screen would make blacks darker but also make whites darker by an equal amount. The only thing a grey screen will really help is to reduce the effect of ambient and reflected light on the screen image if you have a lot of that in your room.
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J, all the professional reviews I've read say the 2040 has worse black levels than the best entry level DLP projectors, but certainly not as bad as "half as black." Are you sure all conditions and settings on your 2040 are as optimized as your friend's DLP? Have you tried it in Cinema mode with Eco lamp and dynamic iris engaged? A grey screen would make blacks darker but also make whites darker by an equal amount. The only thing a grey screen will really help is to reduce the effect of ambient and reflected light on the screen image if you have a lot of that in your room.
Yes, I tried both projectors side by side and tried all modes and settings available. With the lights out, the brightness of the grey was in my view twice as bright as the Optoma was. I see no visual rainbow effects from the OPTOMA DLP. I guess I should just go with a DLP then because I do want to use it with darker conditions. The only place I saw this EPSON "shine" was with the lights on. I also work for a projector company and was just spoiled with a demo of a 6P laser unit for cinema which had the blackest black possible (total black!) This thing looked like an OLED TV but on a massive scale.

Anyhow, not gonna get one of those There's a reason we use DLP technology in the Cinema. So if you want the cinema experience, LCD is not the choice. It all depends what you're looking for and your ambient conditions. I was swayed by the cheap bulb cost and if you wanna run this EPSON like a television in bright room, I guess it will be a good choice. Can't complain too much for the price right? Still learning a lot here on the forum.
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This review says 25ms as long as you don't use FI. They make no mention of Fast mode.
I read through it but it would really help if there was a definitive answer before I shell out for a machine. Hopefully somebody with an actual unit can chime in here.
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post #389 of 1872 Old 12-01-2015, 09:14 AM
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Yes, I tried both projectors side by side and tried all modes and settings available. With the lights out, the brightness of the grey was in my view twice as bright as the Optoma was. I see no visual rainbow effects from the OPTOMA DLP. I guess I should just go with a DLP then because I do want to use it with darker conditions. The only place I saw this EPSON "shine" was with the lights on. I also work for a projector company and was just spoiled with a demo of a 6P laser unit for cinema which had the blackest black possible (total black!) This thing looked like an OLED TV but on a massive scale.

Anyhow, not gonna get one of those There's a reason we use DLP technology in the Cinema. So if you want the cinema experience, LCD is not the choice. It all depends what you're looking for and your ambient conditions. I was swayed by the cheap bulb cost and if you wanna run this EPSON like a television in bright room, I guess it will be a good choice. Can't complain too much for the price right? Still learning a lot here on the forum.
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You need to be more clear about DLP in Cinema. For those like myself that suffer from headaches and rainbows regardless of color wheel speed, LCD is the only choice at this price point. DLP projectors in theaters do not use color wheels and do not suffer the same issues as DLP projectors at home. I agree about DLP giving the best cinematic picture. Unfortunately I can't physically handle DLP color wheel projectors. Was hoping by 2015 we would be seeing 3 chip DLP projectors at a good price point for home users but that never materialized.

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Yes you're correct. We split the light via prism so no color wheel is needed. I guess if you're affected by rainbows then LCD is it. I can't see them at all it seems or the right conditions haven't presented themselves.

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